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Soldier Mar 2, 2006 07:40 PM

Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence
 
The game is due out in a couple weeks, in both a regular and limited edition. The LE has a ridiculous amount of extras that more than justifies a second purchase.

http://metalgear.neoseeker.com/metal...nce_features_/

http://metalgear.neoseeker.com/metal...nce_features_/

http://metalgear.neoseeker.com/metal...nce_features_/

And reserving will net you Metal Gear Saga, a DVD that features cutscenes from all the MGS games, as a sort of movie summary.

I reserved the LE last week, but I was told that I wouldn't receive the Metal Gear Saga disc until the game comes out. Gamestop says they now have a policy of not giving out preorder bonuses before the game is out, as they claim customers would cancel their reserves after obtaining the free bonus. It makes sense, but it also sucks. I just hope they don't forget to include it when I purchase the LE.

So who's looking forward to this? What kind of name are you planning to use for the online game? I want to use something Kojima related, but I'm sure most of the MGS names and terms will be snatched up quickly. That said, I do have a clever name in mind, but I won't reveal it until the game is out.

Hantei Mar 2, 2006 08:02 PM

lol, you mispelled Subsistence. As for the LE, according to my local EB games they only had the regular edition listed, so I couldn't pre-order that. However, on their website they've listed the contents of the LE's third disc as being apart of the RE (the "Demo Theater Mode - Watch All In-Game Movies from MGS3 similar to a theatrical movie." is what's on the third disc, Existence).

http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/product/259834.asp

Anyway, right now I'm hoping just that when it comes time to pick up my copy that I'll be able to switch to the LE (assuming that they have any left). Otherwise, it looks like I'll be shopping around town for a copy.


BTW, seeing as how this is still a PS2 only game, shouldn't this be in the Sony forums?

Soldier Mar 2, 2006 08:11 PM

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lol, you mispelled Subsistence.
Oh well, it's a dumb name anyway. ><

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Anyway, right now I'm hoping just that when it comes time to pick up my copy that I'll be able to switch to the LE (assuming that they have any left). Otherwise, it looks like I'll be shopping around town for a copy.
I worried about that when I went to pre-order the game, but they asked if I wanted to reserve the standard or limited edition. I was glad I didn't have to tell them of the LE's existence.

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BTW, seeing as how this is still a PS2 only game, shouldn't this be in the Sony forums?
I thought about that, but the series hasn't been completely PS2 exclusive. I don't think it matters either way, but if the mods want to move it, so bet it.

Motsy Mar 2, 2006 08:51 PM

I just picked up my copy of Saga. Pretty damn interesting too, especially what Kojima has to say about The Boss.

Simo Mar 3, 2006 03:53 AM

I reserved my copy of the LE at the beginning of the month at GameStop.com. I know some people are picking up their Saga DVDs from GameStop and EBgames stores and preorders stopped for the LE version about a week ago.

Apparently preorders for the regular edition are coming to a halt now too.:annoyed:

Soldier Mar 3, 2006 04:41 AM

And that's what bugs me. They aren't enforcing that stupid rule hard enough. I worry that by the time I get the game, I'll get a stupid reply like "oops, sorry we're out of the Saga DVD, you should have checked with us earlier". They promise I'll get one with the game, but maybe I should go check...

Simo Mar 3, 2006 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by SOLDIER
And that's what bugs me. They aren't enforcing that stupid rule hard enough. I worry that by the time I get the game, I'll get a stupid reply like "oops, sorry we're out of the Saga DVD, you should have checked with us earlier". They promise I'll get one with the game, but maybe I should go check...

The whole "No bonus before game release" could just be a local store enforcing that rule and not the actual instructions of the nationwide company.

Your best bet is to stop by there as soon as you can and enquire about it since various people from East to West coast have been picking up their copies of Saga.

map car man words telling me to do things Mar 3, 2006 05:59 AM

Moved and fixed. Carry on.

Cat9 Mar 3, 2006 12:22 PM

Ok, im a little confused about the limited edition. The website shows a limited edition with a red cover: http://www.konami.jp/gs/game/mgs3_su...ica/index.html

And the gamestop website even had it up, but now its gone. Now theres only one version with a "bonus disc offer" if preordred. So is the extra disc the same disc that the bonus offer is refering to?

Megalith Mar 3, 2006 01:30 PM

I totally forgot that this would include the original versions of Metal Gear. Guess I'll pre-order it after all.

I am also curious about the red cover edition. Again, it's stupid as hell how the game is limited in two regards. They just should have kept the third disc as part of the regular release. I don't want to order the game, only to get the crappy bonus interview disc that holds no meaning, and not the movie disc.

JazzFlight Mar 3, 2006 01:35 PM

Basically, they stopped taking pre-orders for the LE version at most places.

It really is "limited" now.

In other news, I pre-ordered the LE before the cut-off and picked up my Saga disc yesterday.

Megalith Mar 3, 2006 01:42 PM

Oh, so it's impossible to get the movie disc now, right.

That's ok, I'll just download it. Konami just saved me money.

Cat9 Mar 3, 2006 02:26 PM

Ok I just picked up the disc too. Its cool, but youre not missing much. Its a regular DVD, so a rip will show up soon I imagine. Its basically a little overview of the whole series with Hideo Kojima giving a couple of insights about how the game was made and such. Some E3 trailers as well. Again, probably not much here a Metal Gear fan doesnt already know.

*btw, im referring to the "bonus pre-order disc"*

LivingDreams Mar 3, 2006 04:26 PM

Oh well I'll probably get the bonus pre-order disk off of ebay.

Pietak Mar 4, 2006 03:27 PM

Yup, I tried warning of this with the opening of the temporary forums, but I don't think many got the message. The Limited Edition with the red box is essentially the one that will be most rare, and include the Existance disk. It looks like ebgames.com and gamestop.com stopped taking pre-orders for the LE on or around 2-19... Hope for eBay for those who can't preorder...

Godai Mar 6, 2006 12:37 AM

I've been hearing from random people that none of the LE are being shipped to any EBs in Canada, but Hantei makes it sound like he could get one. I didn't take the risk and got my fiancee in NY to preorder it for me, actually just did it the other day, got the last preorder, and they gave her the DVD right then and there, so that's good stuff.

Hantei Mar 6, 2006 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Godai
I've been hearing from random people that none of the LE are being shipped to any EBs in Canada, but Hantei makes it sound like he could get one. I didn't take the risk and got my fiancee in NY to preorder it for me, actually just did it the other day, got the last preorder, and they gave her the DVD right then and there, so that's good stuff.

Whoa, I was under the assumption we'd be getting the LE as well. But if what you said is true then that could probably be why they didn't have it listed on their computers...

In anycase, I made a pre-order of the LE with Play-Asia about a week ago. Just a backup plan incase I couldn't find it at Wal-Mart, or some other department store, and incase EB didn't have enough for me to upgrade.

Simo Mar 6, 2006 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Hantei
Whoa, I was under the assumption we'd be getting the LE as well. But if what you said is true then that could probably be why they didn't have it listed on their computers...

In anycase, I made a pre-order of the LE with Play-Asia about a week ago. Just a backup plan incase I couldn't find it at Wal-Mart, or some other department store, and incase EB didn't have enough for me to upgrade.

Yeah Canada, at least EB stores, won't be carrying the LE version unfortunately. Here most EBgames and GameStop stores have already stopped taking preorders for not only the LE version but also the regular edition too.

Meanwhile the US Subsistence website updated:
http://www.konami.jp/gs/game/mgs3_su...ica/index.html

LE packaging:
http://www.konami.jp/gs/game/mgs3_su...ca/pic/pac.gif

Godai Mar 6, 2006 02:49 AM

That red cover makes me hope it's a cardboard box outer with the regular edition box on the inside. :(

Oh well, if it bothers me that much, there's always the bargain bin months down the line.

Hantei Mar 6, 2006 02:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Simo
Yeah Canada, at least EB stores, won't be carrying the LE version unfortunately. Here most EBgames and GameStop stores have already stopped taking preorders for not only the LE version but also the regular edition too.

Meanwhile the US Subsistence website updated:
http://www.konami.jp/gs/game/mgs3_su...ica/index.html

LE packaging:
http://www.konami.jp/gs/game/mgs3_su...ca/pic/pac.gif

Damn, well at least I know now, I'll still check Wal-Mart just incase. In anycase, glad I made an order with Play-Asia. Guess I'll stop by later in the week to pick up the pre-order bonus and cancel the pre-order itself.

Godai Mar 6, 2006 05:29 AM

Hey Hantei, out of curiousity, where in Canada do you live?

Hantei Mar 6, 2006 11:33 AM

Western part of it, in Calgary, Alberta.

Freddy Krueger Mar 6, 2006 04:16 PM

So the limited edition is the red box there is no other color for the LE? I got mine pre orderd last month and picked up my bonus dvd from Gamestop over the weekend. It's really cool although we know most of the stuff they say its just fun watching anything Metal Gear related =]

Taterdemalion Mar 6, 2006 04:48 PM

I wanted to pick up that Saga DVD, but my local EB games didn't get it. Apparently, they don't get many preorder incentives. I knew it wasn't much, but the documentary style of the DVD made it seem cooler than it really was.

Simo Mar 6, 2006 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Taterdemalion
I wanted to pick up that Saga DVD, but my local EB games didn't get it. Apparently, they don't get many preorder incentives. I knew it wasn't much, but the documentary style of the DVD made it seem cooler than it really was.

The Saga DVD is quite good for MG fans, and for a free bonus anyways. Kojima discusses the Metal Gear series and talks about dropped concepts and whatnot including this little bit about what would of been the final fight with The Boss...
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/ima..._screen006.jpg
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/ima..._screen007.jpg
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/ima..._screen008.jpg
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/ima..._screen009.jpg
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/ima..._screen010.jpg
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/ima..._screen002.jpg
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/ima..._screen011.jpg
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/ima..._screen003.jpg
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/ima..._screen012.jpg
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/ima..._screen013.jpg
http://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/ima..._screen001.jpg

Kojima also talks about MGS4 which will address and provide answers for...
Spoiler:
Vamp's immortality, The Patriots, Olga's baby, and Liquid's arm controlling Ocelot.

Soldier Mar 6, 2006 06:21 PM

Yeah, I picked up my copy Friday. Honestly, Kojima's even crazier then we thought if he really believed he could get away with something like that. I applaud his attempt to make MGS more mature, but this isn't the way to do it. It would garner more laughs than anything else. No matter what he says, a woman running around with one boob hanging out just doesn't make sense.

Anyway, the disc isn't so much a summary as it is a short interview for each game. It's short, but still worth watching. The highlight are the trailers found, including the highest possible resolution for MGS4, and a hilarious trailer for the online portion for MGS3 that I haven't seen (I can't wait to play that game).

I'm still skeptical about Kojima swearing that MGS4 will be the final tale in the series, and it contradicts earlier reports that it was supposed to be the beginning of a new series (possibly with Raiden as the lead).

Double Post:
Oh, any word on what the other DVD volumes will be about, and when they'll arrive?

Megalith Mar 6, 2006 06:26 PM

Metal Gear Solid 4: Laughing Titty

I don't think Vamp's immortality needs to be explained, but I can't wait to see the explanation behind Liquid's hand.

Of course you find out it's Dr. Naomi using nanos, or some stupid bullshit.

Simo Mar 6, 2006 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by SOLDIER
I'm still skeptical about Kojima swearing that MGS4 will be the final tale in the series, and it contradicts earlier reports that it was supposed to be the beginning of a new series (possibly with Raiden as the lead).

Double Post:
Oh, any word on what the other DVD volumes will be about, and when they'll arrive?

Well that was the idea after MGS2 but the reaction to Raiden was less than favorable from gamers and fans so that canned any ideas for a new spinoff or series involving just Raiden. MGS4 will be the one to tie up and finish the storyline/series from MGS1-3 and at least the last Metal Gear title for Solid Snake.

Speaking of MGS4, right now they're working on the motion capture phase for the game while some of the team are sight seeing, taking photos for reference located between Norway and South Africa.

Pietak Mar 6, 2006 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Simo
Speaking of MGS4, right now they're working on the motion capture phase for the game while some of the team are sight seeing, taking photos for reference located between Norway and South Africa.

Heard about that on the latest HideChan. errm, THE KOJIMA PRODUCTIONS REPORT SESSION 006
Interesting stuff.
Now I feel kind of pissed that I'm going to have to wait until my Subsistence comes in the mail before I get Saga; Damn. Oh well, at least I have the Limited Edition now.

Darkelf Mar 7, 2006 06:25 PM

Okay I haven't seen anything about the Limited edition appearing in Europe, but is in the works and when will it come out? As much as I love MGS I don't want to mod my PS2 just for this game alone.

Besides, is the 3rd disc (the movie) a regular DVD or is it only playable in the console?

Simo Mar 7, 2006 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Darkelf
Okay I haven't seen anything about the Limited edition appearing in Europe, but is in the works and when will it come out? As much as I love MGS I don't want to mod my PS2 just for this game alone.

Besides, is the 3rd disc (the movie) a regular DVD or is it only playable in the console?

I believe Subsistence is heading over to Europe but they're kind of pissing about with the features. For example, the Platinum AKA "Greatest Hits" budget re-release of MGS3 will have the Metal Gear Saga DVD bundled in with it. They'll probably just release the 3 disc set of Subsistence rather than 2 pricing options.

The 3rd disc isn't a DVD either and can only be played on your PS2.

iamamoogle Mar 8, 2006 02:01 PM

I've learned not to preorder games with bonuses from the actuall store locations now. I remember preordering Xenosaga to get the shirt nad lithograph... and they didn't have any... and then after I get home from picking up the game, they call and tell me that they have shirts... and no lithographs. *sighs* So I've learned to just preorer online and then get the stuff with the game... I did that with Baten Kaitos to get the wallscroll... and now with MGS3:S. I also preordered the Limited Edition. I was really worried that they decided not to produce it since I didn't see it on the site anymore... I guess it actually is limited edition then...

I'm picking it up since I never got around to getting regular MGS3, and since I have Twin Snakes (and the PSX VR Missions) and MGS2:Substance, I figured I may as well get this one with all the cool extras as well. I'm just wondering if they'll do the same thing with MGS4... you know release it, then 6 months to a year later release it again with a whole lot of new cool stuff... Plus its cool that we get the old MSX Metal Gear games... I tried playing it on an emulator years ago but it just didn't feel right.

B4-Hunter Mar 8, 2006 04:55 PM

Someone know what will be added to USA version? There will be limited edition:

Release Data:
Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence (Limited Edition) 03/14/06 (USA)

But I don't know what will be included =/

Simo Mar 8, 2006 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by B4-Hunter
Someone know what will be added to USA version? There will be limited edition:

Release Data:
Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence (Limited Edition) 03/14/06 (USA)

But I don't know what will be included =/

3 Discs in total:
Disc 1-Subsistence
  • The Ultimate Version of MGS3. New 3rd Person Camera. New Face Paints & Camouflage. New Difficulty mode-European Extreme
  • Demo Theater. Vew all the in-game cinematics in MGS3 that can be edited with different camouflage and face paints on Snake plus a secret "Peeping" mode.

Disc 2-Persistence
  • Duel Mode. Relive the battles with all the game's bosses in 2 special modes.
  • New Snake Vs Monkey Missions.
  • Secret Theater. A collection of hilarious movies using the MGS3 engine. Also includes Metal Gear Raiden-Snake Eraser trailer.
  • Full versions of Metal Gear & Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake as they appeared on the MSX.
  • Online Multiplayer.

Disc 3-Existence [LE Version Only]
  • Snake Eater: The Movie. Re-cut scenes, radio dialogues, and gameplay sequences from MGS3 are edited into this 3.5 hour cinema production.

The regular edition consists of just Discs 1 & 2 and retails for $29.99 while the Limited Edition version features the 3rd Disc, Existence, and is $39.99. Preordering either version would of netted you the Metal Gear Saga DVD, a sit down with Hideo Kojima where he discusses the Metal Gear series past, present and future.

Hantei Mar 8, 2006 05:11 PM

It's the Existence disc, where all the cut scenes were merged together to form a 3.5 hour movie. There's supposedly going to be some added narration and re-cut scenes. Also comes with the MGS4 trailer

http://www.konami.jp/gs/game/mgs3_su...existence.html

Definitely a gem that fans of the series won't wanna miss.

EDIT: Ah, Simo beat me to it.

Freddy Krueger Mar 8, 2006 06:34 PM

I was wondering about the radio scenes, so it's confirmed there will be some radio scenes? Cause if they wanna make it into a movie a lot of important story parts are told in radio convos. Anyway 1 MORE WEEK!! Can't wait and hopefully ill see some of ya online =]

Pietak Mar 8, 2006 08:33 PM

:D yup! I'll most definetly be under - "Pietak". Too bad that I have to wait for shipping before the bloody game arrives.

Soldier Mar 8, 2006 09:52 PM

Actually, speaking about the codec, has it been confirmed if the codec screens will load up faster? The most major problem I had with MGS3 was the lag every time you opened up the codec. It would take a good 5 seconds just to call someone, and then the dialogue skips a little when the person starts talking. I had to put it on HD Loader because I just couldn't stand it. I hope Subsistence fixed it.

espressivo Mar 8, 2006 10:01 PM

I just want to clarify something, is the limited edition being sold in Canada?
I have checked futureshop.ca and bestbuy.ca and they only have the regular listed for a price of $39.99. If it isn't being sold in Canada, will the game still come with the third disc?
Unfortunately, EBGames doesn't have a Canadian site that can confirm this for me, so I ask gamingforce! ;P

Hantei Mar 8, 2006 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by espressivo
I just want to clarify something, is the limited edition being sold in Canada?
I have checked futureshop.ca and bestbuy.ca and they only have the regular listed for a price of $39.99. If it isn't being sold in Canada, will the game still come with the third disc?
Unfortunately, EBGames doesn't have a Canadian site that can confirm this for me, so I ask gamingforce! ;P

It's not coming to Canada unfortunately. Confirmed it myself, when I stopped in to pick up Onimusha DoD.

Only the regular, 2 disc, edition is available to us.

Jurassic Park Chocolate Raptor Mar 9, 2006 03:36 AM

I don't even think any of the Canadian EBs got the bloody PO bonus disc.

Thank God I had a buddy preorder an LE for me in the states. (Daravon is the fucking man. <3)

B4-Hunter Mar 9, 2006 03:51 AM

Damn so I need to get Limited Edition then =P Thanks for info =)

Simo Mar 9, 2006 03:56 AM

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Originally Posted by B4-Hunter
Damn so I need to get Limited Edition then =P Thanks for info =)

If you can. EBgames and GameStop stopped taking preorders for the LE version about 2 weeks ago. They've apparently stopped preorders for the Regular edition too now so I'm not sure what the availibility is for either version or whether or not you can actually walk in and purchase them in-store.

Hantei Mar 9, 2006 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by JUST DECLARED WAR
I don't even think any of the Canadian EBs got the bloody PO bonus disc.

Thank God I had a buddy preorder an LE for me in the states. (Daravon is the fucking man. <3)

They do, just picked up mine today. Unfortunately they didn't phone me about it, had to ask when I went in to get Onimusha DoD.

Man, BS how we can get the Saga disc and but not the LE.

makura Mar 9, 2006 05:10 AM

did anyone check out the Secret Theatre with snake doing rock paper scissors?
funny stuff..

Double Post:
Is there anyone besides me who had the import for a while?

Simo Mar 9, 2006 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by SOLDIER
Actually, speaking about the codec, has it been confirmed if the codec screens will load up faster? The most major problem I had with MGS3 was the lag every time you opened up the codec. It would take a good 5 seconds just to call someone, and then the dialogue skips a little when the person starts talking. I had to put it on HD Loader because I just couldn't stand it. I hope Subsistence fixed it.

They have as well as improved the framerate and the 'Survival Viewer' loads quicker now too.

Soldier Mar 9, 2006 03:39 PM

Excellent news. And how's the new camera? Would you say it's better or worse then the original viewpoint?

Eleo Mar 9, 2006 04:04 PM

Is that humorous scene where Snake kisses that older guy included in this game.

I'd buy it just for that.

espressivo Mar 9, 2006 04:54 PM

Sucks... Hopefully the existence disc is a normal DVD... then i can download it haha!

makura Mar 9, 2006 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Legato
Is that humorous scene where Snake kisses that older guy included in this game.

I'd buy it just for that.

You're talking about the CIA guy not getting his handshake, getting revenge, and then dance and kiss? Yes it's in there.
The Secret Theatre has a couple more new movies that I didn't see in the "secret theatre" of the official website of mgs3 a long time ago including the Raiden's Snake Eraser thing.
Also, I found the "peep show" inside the Demo Theatre. Peep Show is nothing but all the scenes with EVA with a pink tint and focusing more on Snake's funny reactions to EVA (instead of how you saw in the regular game.)

Eleo Mar 9, 2006 07:17 PM

Yes! Hot, mature, homosexual kissing. I'm sold on this game.

makura Mar 9, 2006 11:59 PM

Hrmm, I guess my impression of Demo Theatre was wrong. You can't switch characters in the clips, only putting on different camo and face paint on Snake. Every cut scene is there, but kinda repetitive if you got the Existence disc too.
The secret theatre has 16 outtakes, new ones with The End.. Paramedic..

Simo Mar 10, 2006 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SOLDIER
Excellent news. And how's the new camera? Would you say it's better or worse then the original viewpoint?

I wouldn't know, I haven't played the Japanese version myself. The information comes from those who have though.

I hear some EBgames in Canada are trying to get the LE version if possible...

makura Mar 10, 2006 03:48 AM

Ahh! I almost forgot! The Snake Eater game itself has newer Girl Posters around the game.

Like in "Shadow of the Colossus," the new camera is freely moveable with the right joystick (up & down controls can be reversed.) Also, clicking the Right joystick will change the camera to it's default in the original Snake Eater.

I have to confess that I can't play the online mode (no adapter or high speed internet.)

There's new levels in Snake vs Monkey that I've beaten all..
And there's a Duel Mode in Normal and Hard Mode that is pretty challenging to get the high score.

Simo Mar 10, 2006 08:31 AM

IGN has their review up:
http://ps2.ign.com/articles/694/694781p1.html

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Closing Comments
2004's Snake Eater was a fantastic but slightly-flawed game. Alternatively, Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence goes a long way towards remedying the few problems of that acclaimed title with a brand new camera system that literally rejuvenates the gameplay. The online mode adds a ton of replay value as well, and has dozens of options to keep you returning to blow away friends late into the night. For fans of the series, the additional extras, including the two theater modes and original Metal Gear games are bonuses that are simply not to be missed. For the price and the extras, you can't go wrong with Subsistence -- even for those that have played and beaten the first game once or several more times, it still can't be missed.
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10 Presentation
The flashiest presentation for Subsistence comes from its movies and bonus features taking center stage, which are good, but superfluous to the rest of the gameplay.
9.5 Graphics
The visuals are untouched, but the new camera makes every texture look like new. Online play is lag free with very few hitches.
10 Sound
Sound has remained practically the same, which isn't a bad thing at all, since the sound delivery of the original was basically perfect.
10 Gameplay
You have to love how the new camera makes Snake Eater feel like a new game, and the other modes more than back up the single player experience, while multiplayer rocks all.
10 Lasting Appeal
A redone camera system, Duel Mode and a robust online play guarantees this isn't a one trick snake ... er, pony.
9.8 OVERALL
Incredible

Soldier Mar 10, 2006 03:07 PM

Looks like there's no widescreen or progressive scan. Bummer. :(

Still, it's awesome that Konami is giving us the MSX version of Metal Gear and not the NES port (which lacked the actual Metal Gear in the game), along with a new translation to boot. Take notes, Capcom.

Timberwolf Mar 10, 2006 04:32 PM

Looks like I'll be picking this up, considering how the price is reasonable.

makura Mar 10, 2006 04:39 PM

They changed the codec pictures in the old Metal Gear games to have Yoji Shinkawa's illustrations like in the first Metal Gear Solid game for PSX.

So no more funky looking pictures as seen in the walkthrough here. http://slowbeef.com/MG2/intro1.html

I didn't play the old Metal Gear games so I'm not sure if Big Boss still looks like Sean Connery. It'd be hilarious if that face was still in there.


On Disc 1, you can "download" the new camo's for Snake like the santa, mummy, dododo, etc. You don't have to have internet connection for that because I think they're already on the disc somewhere, but the thing is that you'd need about 830kb of space on your memory card for EACH new camo.

B4-Hunter Mar 10, 2006 04:54 PM

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10 Presentation
The flashiest presentation for Subsistence comes from its movies and bonus features taking center stage, which are good, but superfluous to the rest of the gameplay.
9.5 Graphics
The visuals are untouched, but the new camera makes every texture look like new. Online play is lag free with very few hitches.
10 Sound
Sound has remained practically the same, which isn't a bad thing at all, since the sound delivery of the original was basically perfect.
10 Gameplay
You have to love how the new camera makes Snake Eater feel like a new game, and the other modes more than back up the single player experience, while multiplayer rocks all.
10 Lasting Appeal
A redone camera system, Duel Mode and a robust online play guarantees this isn't a one trick snake ... er, pony.
9.8 OVERALL
Incredible
*faint*

Timberwolf Mar 10, 2006 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by striped phantom
but the thing is that you'd need about 830kb of space on your memory card for EACH new camo.

Are you serious.

That wouldn't be worth it.

makura Mar 10, 2006 06:34 PM

It's the same deal as in MGS3: Snake Eater, those who could download from the internet back then had to clear 850kb (correction) of space for each. The game can read the 'downloaded' camo data from either Memory Card slots, so get 2 or one with bigger capacity.

Timberwolf Mar 10, 2006 06:40 PM

I see. I don't have an adapter, so I can't get on online with my PS2.

But if the camos are already on the disc ... why do they still take that much space?

Soldier Mar 10, 2006 07:28 PM

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*faint*
You think that's something, I got my next EGM today. The game got two 10's and one 9.5. Very impressive, considering how they pretty much slammed every single other game in their review section (Onimusha 4 took it hard, I thought it was supposed to be good...). Metal Gear Acid 2 got a good score as well, but I'm still not sure when that one's coming out (and wasn't it supposed to include a new MGS4 trailer?).

Zero Mar 10, 2006 09:25 PM

Man, I knew since the day I bought MGS3 that they would do an upgraded version of it. But I couldn't wait and I had to play my Snake Eater. So I bought it at 50 bucks. But now, reading the excellent reviews and seeing all the new features the game as to offer, theirs no way I’m not getting it. But now, who would want to buy the original for at least 10$. I should have sold it before…now it’s too late.

Timberwolf Mar 10, 2006 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Zero
Man, I knew since the day I bought MGS3 that they would do an upgraded version of it. But I couldn't wait and I had to play my Snake Eater. So I bought it at 50 bucks. But now, reading the excellent reviews and seeing all the new features the game as to offer, theirs no way I’m not getting it. But now, who would want to buy the original for at least 10$. I should have sold it before…now it’s too late.

I feel the same way. When I bought the original MGS3 back in 2004, I had a feeling they were going to release a director's cut version sometime down the road. Just like what they did with Sons of Liberty.

But I didn't care, I wanted to play Snake Eater right then -- so I bought it. I don't regret it, though.

And I never had the urge to sell it. I mean, it's an original copy. It entertained me for some 100+ hours (I'm not joking). It would pain me to sell it.

I'll just pick up Subsistence anyway. They will just have to get along.

Firefly Mar 10, 2006 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
I feel the same way. When I bought the original MGS3 back in 2004, I had a feeling they were going to release a director's cut version sometime down the road. Just like what they did with Sons of Liberty.

I knew I was going to get MGS3. With Subsistence coming out at the current price point, I'm glad I waited. And while I'm at at I'll be sure to try and run down a copy of Substance.

B4-Hunter Mar 11, 2006 06:39 AM

Well I have to say that I will fallow post man all the time till he give me what I ordered =D He will have nightmares about me every night. After I get what I want I'll just put it in PS2 and vanish for a few days.

Spatula Mar 13, 2006 02:43 PM

Herm, looks like its selling for $39.99 CDN here. Yeah no copies of the LE to be found. What's funny when I called up EBgames:

<ME> Hi, just wondering when Metal Gear Solid 3 Subsistence will be on sale?

<EBGames> Okay let me see....what system?.

<ME - seriously now>. Um yeah it's on the PS2.

<EBGames> Oh... I see, let's see, it's not out until this Wednesday.

<ME> Ok, and how much?

<EBGames> $39.99.

<ME> Thanks, bye.
__________________________________________________ ____
HI CAN I GET FINAL FANTASY XII FOR THE XBOX 360?

NO SIR, IT'S NOT YET RELEASED, YOU'LL HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL MAY 2008.

:edgartpg:

Timberwolf Mar 13, 2006 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Spatula
<EBGames> Okay let me see....what system?

Is he for real.



But yeah, $39.99 is very reasonable. I initially thought it was going to be released at full price, and I figured I would just stick with my original Snake Eater.

But I want to get this now.

Spatula Mar 13, 2006 02:59 PM

I'm trading in a few games to get it cheaper (Suikoden III / Wild Arms 3, probably get $5 each if I'm lucky).

And yes, he is FOR REAL.

EBGAMES, WE TAKE GAMES SERIOUSLY (well not really)

Timberwolf Mar 13, 2006 03:08 PM

Spatula, you haven't played Snake Eater at all yet, right? (Or am I thinking of someone else?)

If that's the case, you're in for a treat.

Spatula Mar 13, 2006 03:12 PM

Nope, never even touched it. See the Ace Combat thread.

I’ve already seen more than enough screencaps and videos to get a good idea, but for actually playing it? No.

I told my mom I wanted MGS:3 SE for my birthday, but then I returned it (unopened, I might add) and got another game....cant remember.

Most will call me stupid for turning it back especially when I got it for free, but I heard about the horrid camera system and at that time heard that Subsistence would change that. I thought it would be better to go through Kojima’s “masterpiece” with all the “flaws” of SE fixed up fresh. I don’t think I’d be as hyped if I already played SE.

Timberwolf Mar 13, 2006 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Spatula
Nope, never even touched it. See the Ace Combat thread.

Oh yeah, that's where I remember that from :p


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Originally Posted by Spatula
I’ve already seen more than enough screencaps and videos to get a good idea, but for actually playing it? No.

I told my mom I wanted MGS:3 SE for my birthday, but then I returned it (unopened, I might add) and got another game....cant remember.

Most will call me stupid for turning it back especially when I got it for free, but I heard about the horrid camera system and at that time heard that Subsistence would change that. I thought it would be better to go through Kojima’s “masterpiece” with all the “flaws” of SE fixed up fresh. I don’t think I’d be as hyped if I already played SE.

The camera in the original Snake Eater definitely took some getting used to. I like to play my Metal Gear the stealth and no-kill way, and the camera was unfriendly. I relied heavily on the first-person perspective, and played extremely vigilantly and cautiously.

Which, in the end, really made the experience a lot of fun. The camera became second nature.

Spatula Mar 13, 2006 03:48 PM

Since all this talk of MGS3, you've got no idea how SLOW time is crawling at my office.

Imagine me 3 days prior to FFXII release.

Timberwolf Mar 13, 2006 03:53 PM

Patience, young grasshopper.


:)

Pietak Mar 13, 2006 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Spatula
<EBGames> Okay let me see....what system?.

Just about every store asked me that when I wanted to pre-order the LE weeks ago. I got fed up and ordered online.

evergreen Mar 13, 2006 10:08 PM

So is the Saga disc rare? Or is it the LE? Or is it both?

Hantei Mar 13, 2006 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by evergreen
So is the Saga disc rare? Or is it the LE? Or is it both?

It's a pre-order bonus, a 30 some minute documentary.

http://www.konami.jp/gs/kojima_pro/english/mg_saga/

evergreen Mar 13, 2006 11:12 PM

Thanks, but I was just wondering which if either one was getting really "limited" as someone posted at some point.

Hantei Mar 13, 2006 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by evergreen
Thanks, but I was just wondering which if either one was getting really "limited" as someone posted at some point.

The one that's really limited is the Limited Edition of Subsistence, which is 3 discs as opposed to the regular edition's 2 discs. This version is pretty much sold out everywhere, as pre-orders (as far as online purchasing goes) for it have ended.

evergreen Mar 14, 2006 12:08 AM

Alright, thanks for the help, Hantei.

Soldier Mar 14, 2006 02:44 AM

evergreen, your avatar makes me ill. What the hell is it from? ><

I called today about Subsistence's availability, hoping they would receive the copies tommorow. The guy said they're on track for Wednesday though. I can't wait another day, I'm dying to try the online mode. :(

Spatula Mar 14, 2006 10:58 AM

Seeing as I’ve never played an online game via gaming console, what apparatuses for the PS2 are needed to play MGS3: Subsistence online? Sure there’s the option of asking the EB Games people, but when they have to evenask me what system MGS3 is on, forget about them giving me tech support.

So:

-SETTING UP-

1) What apparatuses do I need?

Oh I got some things:
Like the PS2 console AND MGS3 game come tomorrow (duh)


2) How do I connect all these wires and shit?

3) How much should I expect to shell out for these items?

4) Any other hidden costs I should be aware of?

Yeah so pretty much make this a total newb’s guide to online gaming.

OR you could just direct me to whatever useful sites having this information already.

Magic Mar 14, 2006 11:10 AM

If you've got a PS2 Slim then there should be no extra costs aside from the game itself. Otherwise you're gonna need a PS2 network adapter which is something like $40. Of course you also need a network cable, but setting that up should be just like connecting your PC to the Internet. As far as I know, PS2 online games do not have subscription fees. I'm not sure what else you need to do but I hear that instruction manuals have a lot of useful information.

Spatula Mar 14, 2006 11:16 AM

Instruction manuals. Dude. Too bad spatula's are bad at following directions in general.

Timberwolf Mar 14, 2006 11:25 AM

Instruction manual. What's that.

:p

I myself don't have an adapter, so I can't help out there. Like Spatula, I'm also a total newb when it comes to online gaming.

I just want to know if there are any hidden fees for Subsistence.

Simo Mar 14, 2006 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Instruction manual. What's that.

:p

I myself don't have an adapter, so I can't help out there. Like Spatula, I'm also a total newb when it comes to online gaming.

I just want to know if there are any hidden fees for Subsistence.

There are no fees whatsoever so you can relax. :)

I too have never taken my PS2 online so it's something I'll be looking into as well.

Spatula Mar 14, 2006 02:54 PM

So it looks like I'll get my copy for about $22 CDN, trading in Xenosaga I, Wild Arms 3, and Suikoden III for 4, 5, and 9 dollars credit respectively. I really don't care much about Suikoden or Wild Arms, and I've beaten Xenosaga alreay, but something in the back of my mind says that I should keep it, dunno why. KOS MOS must be doing some tricky stuff again.

Soldier Mar 14, 2006 02:54 PM

You'll need the PS2 Network Adaptor first of all. If you have a wireless router, you'll need an ethernet bridge. Linksys sells a wireless game adaptor, which I personally own.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...lance&n=172282

The only online game that requires the official PS2 HD is FFXI.

Spatula Mar 14, 2006 03:12 PM

Speaking of which, what does this Sony PS2 Harddrive do for the FFXI game? I presume it acts much like a "harddrive" for like a PC, except this is for PS2. So can you save games on it or what? Help me. ;_;

Simo Mar 14, 2006 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SOLDIER
You'll need the PS2 Network Adaptor first of all. If you have a wireless router, you'll need an ethernet bridge. Linksys sells a wireless game adaptor, which I personally own.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...lance&n=172282

The only online game that requires the official PS2 HD is FFXI.

You also need the HDD for FFVII: Dirge Of Cerberus too if you're planning on online multiplayer. So if you're a PS2 slimline owner....You're screwed.

B4-Hunter Mar 14, 2006 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Spatula
Speaking of which, what does this Sony PS2 Harddrive do for the FFXI game? I presume it acts much like a "harddrive" for like a PC, except this is for PS2. So can you save games on it or what? Help me. ;_;

It short load time and makes game move more smooth. Same for RE: Outbreak.

Soldier Mar 14, 2006 03:26 PM

It does more then that, it stores the actual game. You also need it to install the expansions.

Spatula Mar 14, 2006 03:27 PM

I still have the fat PS2 SCPH 3900X something like that.

B4-Hunter Mar 14, 2006 04:21 PM

All fat PS2 support HDD =)

Soldier Mar 14, 2006 04:32 PM

I might be wrong, but I could swear hearing that there are methods to install a USB harddrive to a slim PS2, enabling you to use FFXI. I haven't looked into it though, since I don't have to.

Doesn't Subsistence use the hard drive for something? Can't remember.

And Spatula, if you do give FFXI a hand, let me know. I'd be happy to put my lvl 75 knowledge to good use and show you around the world. :edgarrock:

espressivo Mar 14, 2006 04:50 PM

I'm a total noob at online ps2 gaming, so i got a few questions.

1) Can I play subsistence online while using the internet on my computer?
2) Do all wireless routers work with the ps2?

So I need: wireless router, ethernet bridge and cable, and a network adapter to get online right?

Simo Mar 14, 2006 05:15 PM

Ok I'm a little pissed right now.

I ordered my copy of Subsistence LE at the beginning of February on the 2nd and today my order has been shown as "Processing" all day. Now I check to see if it's shipped only to find that the game is now "Backordered".

WTF?! Either they didn't actually get them in stock today or...Shit if it's the latter and they're all out then magazine racks are going flying.

Pietak Mar 14, 2006 05:55 PM

For real? I just checked mine in a panic just now, and noticed that it's been "Shipped". I ordered a day before they quit accepting pre-orders.
I ordered from EBGames though, where'd you order from?

Simo Mar 14, 2006 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Pietak
For real? I just checked mine in a panic just now, and noticed that it's been "Shipped". I ordered a day before they quit accepting pre-orders.
I ordered from EBGames though, where'd you order from?

GameStop. Someone else over at GAF ordered from EB and got their order shipped and EB/GameStop are supposed to be intergrated but I haven't read anyone having their order from GS.com ship today yet....

Godai Mar 14, 2006 06:04 PM

I'm guessing no actual store got it today? My fiancee checked to see if they had the LE in today, but they said come back tomorrow.

Spatula Mar 14, 2006 06:15 PM

Wow, never have I been quite anxious over a game to get it first thing out. I think this is the first game I'm getting hot off the shelves (ie, the release day). Only 20 hours away~~~.

Megalith Mar 14, 2006 06:16 PM

I'm going to check Toys "R" Us tomorrow.

::CQCs Geoffrey::

Spatula Mar 14, 2006 06:29 PM

Put the croc head over him.

Simo Mar 14, 2006 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Godai
I'm guessing no actual store got it today? My fiancee checked to see if they had the LE in today, but they said come back tomorrow.

Some did including an EBgames in Canada, no idea on the location though.

Soldier Mar 14, 2006 06:58 PM

I checked my Gamestop as well, and they said they'll be receiving it tommorow. It's amazing how excited I am over a game I already played. The online mode is the first thing I'm firing up, and hopefully the name I have in mind won't be taken. Although it would be pretty sweet to be the first guy to register "Solid Snake", but no doubt that name's already been taken.

Timberwolf Mar 14, 2006 09:45 PM

I will pay a visit to Futureshop early tomorrow before heading off to class.

Gotta get mine.

Spatula Mar 14, 2006 10:42 PM

So it looks like my hour lunch break tomorrow will consist of heading over to EBgames (hooray, fuckers) and getting the damn thing, finally.

evergreen Mar 14, 2006 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SOLDIER
evergreen, your avatar makes me ill. What the hell is it from? ><

It's making you sick? How? I'm curious.

It's from the Korean film Sympathy for Mr. Vengeance, by the way.

JazzFlight Mar 14, 2006 11:05 PM

My EB had better fucking have the LE version that I have pre-ordered, or I'll be so damn pissed I'll totally kick their asses.

Them: "HAY YEAH WE DIDN'T GET ANY OF THOSE HERE HAVE A STANDARD VERSION"
Me: {weeps and lies on floor until the whole situation gets very awkward and they give me a gift certificate}

Simo Mar 14, 2006 11:08 PM

Well I guess it turns out that GameStop never got their shipment hence the "Backordered" status on all orders. In store pickups aren't until tomorrow either.

Now I just need to get everything for online which means a PS2 Network Adapter..

Soldier Mar 14, 2006 11:22 PM

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It's making you sick? How? I'm curious.
Well, from the angle, it looks like that guy is getting his lower face sliced open. I can see a huge hole between his neck and ear. :/

Quote:

My EB had better fucking have the LE version that I have pre-ordered, or I'll be so damn pissed I'll totally kick their asses.

Them: "HAY YEAH WE DIDN'T GET ANY OF THOSE HERE HAVE A STANDARD VERSION"
Me: {weeps and lies on floor until the whole situation gets very awkward and they give me a gift certificate}
I share your concern. It should be alright though, since they were aware of the LE's existence from when I pre-ordered it.

Make sure to post your username once you log in. I'll reveal mine if it's available (hint: it's from a kojima game. not from MGS).

SailorDaravon Mar 14, 2006 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Simo
Well I guess it turns out that GameStop never got their shipment hence the "Backordered" status on all orders. In store pickups aren't until tomorrow either.

Several Gamestop reps said it's showing backordered because it's shipping from a different warehouse, and that the status hasn't been updated on the website yet, but at least all the overnight orders were confirmed to have been shipped out today. Unless you've heard something completely different ?_?

And today was the ship date, you weren't supposed to be able to pick it up in-store until tommorrow. I really hate how Gamefaqs and most places show the ship date as the release date, since there's always the flood of people complaining that they didn't have it that day (not referring to you, just in general).

Spatula Mar 14, 2006 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JazzFlight
My EB had better fucking have the LE version that I have pre-ordered, or I'll be so damn pissed I'll totally kick their asses.

Them: "HAY YEAH WE DIDN'T GET ANY OF THOSE HERE HAVE A STANDARD VERSION"
Me: {weeps and lies on floor until the whole situation gets very awkward and they give me a gift certificate}

I'd call in the extreme bukkake measures. What.

Yeah so my EBs won't have any LEs instock for sure. The regular version, sure, better than nothing (I have dick all on MGS3...reiterating that I never played Snake Eater).

Simo Mar 14, 2006 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by SailorDaravon
Several Gamestop reps said it's showing backordered because it's shipping from a different warehouse, and that the status hasn't been updated on the website yet, but at least all the overnight orders were confirmed to have been shipped out today. Unless you've heard something completely different ?_?

And today was the ship date, you weren't supposed to be able to pick it up in-store until tommorrow. I really hate how Gamefaqs and most places show the ship date as the release date, since there's always the flood of people complaining that they didn't have it that day (not referring to you, just in general).

I haven't heard from anyone who's order did ship so I assumed it was the same regardless of what shipping method you chose if they had none in stock.

The thing about the release date is that some stores actually do, and did for MGS3:S, carry the game on the date released and when it's a big title like GTA, Halo or anything like that then most often they'll have it on the Tuesday release date.

The last time I used GameStop to preorder anything was for Resident Evil 4 on the GC and they actually shipped the game out a day before the game's scheduled release date. :)

SailorDaravon Mar 15, 2006 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Simo
I haven't heard from anyone who's order did ship so I assumed it was the same regardless of what shipping method you chose if they had none in stock.

That's just specifically what I've read. The only people I've talked to who have actually called all had overnight orders, so that may or may not mean anything.

Quote:

The thing about the release date is that some stores actually do, and did for MGS3:S, carry the game on the date released and when it's a big title like GTA, Halo or anything like that then most often they'll have it on the Tuesday release date.

The last time I used GameStop to preorder anything was for Resident Evil 4 on the GC and they actually shipped the game out a day before the game's scheduled release date. :)
Stores usually do not get titles on the ship dates unless something ships early for some reason (Halo 2 would be an example) or if they live very very close to where it's shipped from, which it sounds like it might be in your case. It would've been great if I had that luck =/.

I've got two LE's preordered at a local EB, one for me and one for Skills. I'm worried about limited LE quantities, so I took the day off, and plan on camping out from when they open so hopefully I can get them, we'll have to see.

Spatula Mar 15, 2006 10:39 AM

Honestly, today I will consider it a victory if I can get my hands on a copy of MGS3:S – seriously. I wake up all ready to go this morning at 7:00, ready for the day at the office, when all a sudden my mom walks in and goes, “oh, please send in the car today to the mechanic shop as it needs maintenance bleh bleh bleh…” and here I’m going oh for fuck sakes seriously man, why TODAY!!! I need my car to get from the work place to the nearest Ebgames and that takes about a good 15 minutes during my lunch hour. Now I gotta take public transportation which the service sucks goat balls seriously. I don’t want to go after work since it takes extra time with the traffic and such, and plus now my car is in the mechanic garage and having to go in my parents car is about the same as beating myself with a sledgehammer. What a gong show, seriously.

Seriously, if my EB games sells out of the game or something today then I’m going to kill someone, for Christ sakes.

my cry:
CRY FOR ME FEEL SORRY FOR ME I HAVE TO SUFFER CAUSE I HAVE TO WAIT FOR A FLIPPIN’ PS2 GAME, OH NO THE WORLD’S GONNA END! PITY!


::weeps to the quiet place::

WHY TODAY!??!!?

Timberwolf Mar 15, 2006 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Spatula
now my car is in the mechanic garage and having to go in my parents car is about the same as beating myself with a sledgehammer.

Why not go in your parents car?

Aw, sorry man. I hope you make it in time, and get your copy.

Gotta get yours.

JazzFlight Mar 15, 2006 01:01 PM

FUCK YES.

I got a copy of the LE.

However, others won't be so lucky. The EB workers said they got less than they pre-ordered for.

I can tell that today and tomorrow will be a day of great sadness for those who really wanted the LE.

Spatula Mar 15, 2006 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf
Why not go in your parents car?

Because that's somewhat part of the problem. My mom's all "YOU ALREADY SPENT SO MUCH, NOW YOU WANT MORE GAMES?!?!?" So I have to buy this somewhat discreetly. LOL Metal Gear Mom.

Can YOU smuggle a copy of METAL GEAR from EB Games to your PS2 without being detected?

But of course in a months time a charge will show on my VISA, but I'll say I don't have the receipt and it was for like some CDs and shit.

Again, living with family sucks.

Pietak Mar 15, 2006 02:39 PM

I love how USPS' "Tracking" is the biggest pile of shit ever. Saying it will "UPDATE at 6:00 PM." What a joke. All I want to know is when it will get to my house, jerkface.

Simo Mar 15, 2006 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Pietak
I love how USPS' "Tracking" is the biggest pile of shit ever. Saying it will "UPDATE at 6:00 PM." What a joke. All I want to know is when it will get to my house, jerkface.

At least your copy is on the way. There's still no change with GameStop.com....

Double Post:
Ok so consider my order cancelled.

I got off the phone with GameStop little over half an hour ago to find out just what the shit is going with my order. After 20 minutes waiting in a queue I finally get to customer service who already prepared for what I'm about to ask and simply said that they didn't receive enough copies than what they ordered. As such they should be getting more on March 23rd, a week from tomorrow.

Assuming they do and it ships on the 23rd, with the shipping and all I'd be lucky to get the game before the end of the month. They say they didn't get enough copies yet I've got a friend up in Maine who is the general manager of one GameStop willing to send me whatever number copies of the LE version and Saga DVD since they got plenty to go around....:annoyed:

Spatula Mar 15, 2006 03:50 PM

ummm:
NICE! WIN ONE!


So when I got the store today, the clerk was just like, "zomg, can you please stop asking that, that's the ONLY question I've been hearing today...METAL GEAR THIS....... METAL GEAR THAT ........METAL GEAR AND A BASEBALL BAT".

They didn't even get the box opened in the back of the room and didn't know which box it was. Plus none of the preorders were delivered yet. So I asked the guy if I could TRY to get it that day, during my 1 hour lunch break, and that I was trading in some games for PS2. He told me to come back in an hour or so, but I came back about 30 mins later since time was running out of my lunch break, plus the time to get back to the office.

I went back there and it appears they managed to open the box of Subsistences. WIN! I was quite lucky to get it "open sale" before the preorder people came in for like $25.00 with the warranty. Cool.

And lucky.

If I learned anything today, I now know the "power" of preorders...especially come FFXII. Will post pics when I get back home.

Soldier Mar 15, 2006 03:51 PM

Yo....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...0/100_2457.jpg

And because the employer knows how much I love pre-order bonuses, he was cool enough to hold unto this limited art cel of Metal Gear Ac!d 2, just for me.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...0/100_2458.jpg

Just so you know, it's not the store that makes the buisness, it's the people who work there. So I'm fortunate to have some capable employers in my Gamestop.

First thing I did was fire up the online mode. The disc opens up with the online trailer found in the Saga disc (the one where all the players salute, among other things). The video quality is more compressed, but the sound is juiced up to compensate.

Anyway, creating an account and logging in was relatively painless. You pick a lobby to join in (everyone's huddles in the Snake lobby right now), then pick a game to join. I went with the quick jump option and engaged in a good hour of Snake vs Many, Red vs Blue, and Capture the Frog.

My thoughts? FANTASTIC.

The game is completely lag free, the third person camera is far superior to the old top/down view, and the amount of fun you can have is limitless. This game trumps SOCOM 3 in almost every way. The most welcome improvement is the size of the maps. Where SOCOM 3 was criticized for having areas that were too large, MGS's maps are sizable enough that it won't take you long to run into an opposing member. And even with respawn off, you can still have some fun running around as a ghost (complete with some creepy voiceovers). It doesn't seem you can do anything at all when you're a ghost, but it is fun to chase around a clueless enemy.

Groups consist of standard troops, followed by a team leader (who uses one of the main characters). The leaders have more life then the standard soldier, so they can be tricky to bring down. They also have the added bonus of voice taunts (Ocelot: "Thank you for showing me the joy of reloading!"). I've played a couple of leader characters, but I have no idea how to use the voice taunt. The manual is oddly devoid of any control info for the online game.

Another neat feature is the selection of music you can use during the gameplay. You can select music from MGS1 (including arranged music),MGS2, MGS3, and boss themes. You can even pick the Snake Eater theme used when you fight The Boss. The Volgin battle theme in particular makes for some AWESOME deathmatch music.

Unlike SOCOM 3, where I get hammered many of times by elite psychos, I did pretty well in my first playthrough of this game. There's a good balance here so it won't feel like you don't stand a chance against dedicated players (even though the leaders do have the life advantage). Even if you're getting pelted with bullets, you can quickly find cover and survive.

The only minor nitpicks I had where mostly techincal. For one, whenever I used voice chat, I got an echo of my own voice. I had the same problem with SOCOM 3, but I could disable it, while I've yet to find out how to do so here. Second, I got several "aborted by host" messages that kicked me out of the game. I assume this was manually done by whoever started the game, and not a techincal problem on my end.

Anyway, I can't praise the online mode enough. It's everything I hoped for. Getting CQC'd by Snake, then having him stay around my unconscious body (it seems rotating the right analog stick helps you recover) like I was of no concern, and then me getting revenge by CQC'ing him as Ocelot (complete with taunt)? Hell yeah.

Find me online as SNATCHER. It's the name I was aiming for from the start. It's a nice Kojima reference, it's easy to remember since it's similar to my GFF name, and it also sounds a little dirty. :edgartpg:

Beware the Ocelot Unit.

Pietak Mar 15, 2006 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SOLDIER
And because the employer knows how much I love pre-order bonuses, he was cool enough to hold unto this limited art cel of Metal Gear Ac!d 2, just for me.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...0/100_2458.jpg

Fucking badass. *(Love the Snake in the pics too< it's like you read my mind) Pre-order bonus though... I don't understand, could you elaborate a bit more on it?

Oh and we're going to have a match for sure once everyone gets their games.

Soldier Mar 15, 2006 05:42 PM

Pretty sure you could only nab that cel if you pre-order/reserve MGA2 (thus making it a "pre-order bonus"), but the clerk let me have this just for getting MGS3:S.

I'm eagerly awaiting a GFF-set match.

Spatula Mar 15, 2006 05:58 PM

SOLDIER/Snatcher, sup?

Man I'm still in the office. Gonna be heading home *pretty* soon.

Also, I see your Snake Figure, and I raise you...
Spoiler:
You'll see.

Pietak Mar 15, 2006 06:40 PM

A Kubrick? :P

Soldier Mar 15, 2006 07:04 PM

If it's a competition of figures, I'm sure you'd win. The MGS2 set is all I have, although I'd love that uber expensive MGS3 Snake, with the removal camo and eyepatch.

Hint: Try a Capture the Frog match with just revolvers, and the camps are just mere inches apart (the MGS3 cabin). Watch the insanity ensue. You could go a whole hour just trying to win one round.

In situations like this, it's better to just knock down the enemy rather than kill him. It'll take him much longer to recover than from respawning.

I have a few online questions:

1. I've been getting the following notice the two times I've logged on so far.

Quote:

Cannot create game in the current network enviroment
(519:179)
Gamefaqs didn't give a solid answer, but the belief is that something needs to be configured in my ports. I'm not sure how to do that though.

2. Is there a way to increase the volume in my headset (I have the one that came with SOCOM)? All the music, yelling, and shooting drowns out the voices (though voice chat hasn't been used much so far; for a game like this it isn't too required).

3. Is there a way to disable the echo in my headset? It's annoying to hear my own voice whenever I talk.

4. Still not sure how to use the voice taunts on characters like Ocelot. I'd ask someone in the game, but I'm worried I wouldn't be able to hear their answer (see number 3).

I really hope the online mode gets updated. It'd be awesome to have new character skins added like Vamp (blood sucking CQC!), MGS2 Snake (with the far superior spin kick), Old Ocelot, etc.

Speaking of CQC, the very first thing that happened to me when I first got online was suffer the wrath of Raikov's crotch-grabbing attack. Seriously, it was like he was waiting for me. :(

Spatula Mar 15, 2006 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pietak
A Kubrick? :P

Not quite...

Well SOLDIER, you win the Limited Edition, since Canadian EB Games got nothing on that. What is this thing.

WRRRYYYYY:
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...6/Collage1.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...76/Snake9A.jpg

what's up?

And oh for christ sakes I realize its the SE wallpaper, I just can't find any good resolution Subsistence wallpapers.




Simo Mar 15, 2006 08:35 PM

Yeah so apparently GameStop doesn't know jack shit. After I got off the phone with them I went to cancel my order altogether because chances are I could get the LE version elsewhere rather than having to wait until next Thursday, only my order on GameStop had changed from "Back Ordered" to "Processing".

Curious by the change in status I decided to wait it out and lo and behold my order shipped.

I won't be online for awhile though. I need a Network Adapter and an Ethernet cable because my PC is one room and my PS2/TV in the other.

Soldier Mar 15, 2006 08:57 PM

Quote:

what's up?
That's the one, alright. If I could get a good deal on it, I'd consider buying it myself. Or maybe I'll just wait for the MGS4 figure.

Also, I thought of the perfect edition to this game. In the vein of Snake vs Many, let's have a new mode:

Ninja vs Many

Imagine reliving the hallway massacre from Twin Snakes, as a group of soldiers try to bring down the steath-camo, bullet-deflecting Ninja. God that would so rock.

Spatula Mar 15, 2006 09:08 PM

Go to yesasia.com and wait until Xmas. I got mine for $124USD with free shipping. Don't buy it now, as the price is above $160 USD.

Cat9 Mar 15, 2006 09:54 PM

The intro for Monkey vs. Snake in Disc 2....

Pietak Mar 15, 2006 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spatula
WRRRYYYYY:
what's up?
[/SIZE]




Damn! Nice. I'm working on getting a Kubrick, but I've got the whole MGS2 McFarlane set.

...Tried getting that Ninja from the first set, but that's too expensive and not as quality.

Godai Mar 15, 2006 10:45 PM

Fiancee picked up the LE for me today and shipped it out, hope it's here soon.

JazzFlight Mar 15, 2006 10:50 PM

Ack, it's too bad you guys created accounts already. I was thinking we could do what the Penny-Arcade board did and have accounts with [GFF] in front of our names.

That way, all you have to do is player-search for [GFF] and you can see where everyone else is.

Spatula Mar 15, 2006 11:15 PM

Wow, I'm only at like the 3rd screen and already an hour has passed. Had a little fun with the crocs. Remember folks, I've never played Snake Eater before, so this is a whole new experience for me.

Soldier Mar 15, 2006 11:17 PM

I'm pretty sure they let you create clans, so we could always make up a GFF clan. You could change your name also, I believe (I do like SNATCHER as it is, without inserting any abbreviations or anything).

After some help from a friend, I managed to enable myself to create my own games. So as a test run, I created a free for all Deathmatch with knives as the only weapon, and set it in the Lost City.

The result? Utter insanity as more and more people gradually jumped in and ran around the city, chasing one another with knives, trying to roll unto one another, or CQC each other to submission.

Many highlights occured. Me fighting off 3 people at once with nothing but my fists. Two guys rolling each other into unconsciousness. Me tossing someone with CQC, followed by a salute taunt. Said guy retailiates by tossing me back, then salutes himself. Then we both take a few steps back, knives ready, but make sure to salute each other before we run in.

Then by the last 5 minutes, things got crazy. Everyone decided to relocate to the center of the city street and just wail on each other. It was like a gangware. Then me and another guy knocked each other out, to which we frantically rotate the analog stick to see how recovers first. The loser is unfortunately stabbed to death as he lies on the floor. Incidentally, it seems a knife to the groin gives you an instant death.

Lots of hilarity, and it was just a test run. Shit, I love this game. :)

Timberwolf Mar 15, 2006 11:35 PM

I just got home, after a long day of school and work.

Between getting off from class and going to work, I visited EB (because Futureshop didn't have it when I went in the morning), and picked up a copy. A regular copy, not LE or anything.

I don't have an network adapter with my PS2 Fat, so you guys probably won't see me online.

But I'm REALLY thinking of getting one, just to play this game online.

Spatula, enjoy the game :)

Cat9 Mar 15, 2006 11:47 PM

I just noticed that the lag (when you used the radio) on the regular game has been fixed. Im glad they took the time to fix little things like that.

Timberwolf Mar 15, 2006 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cat9
I just noticed that the lag (when you used the radio) on the regular game has been fixed. Im glad they took the time to fix little things like that.

Nice.

That lag got annoying in the original pretty quick. At first, I thought there was something wrong with my PS2.

I'm gonna be looking for new Easter Eggs. Kojima likes to shakes things up.

Firefly Mar 16, 2006 12:28 AM

Just picked this up today. I think I'm going to have scant difficulty keeping busy until Ace Combat Zero shows up. Of course, Warship Gunner 2 (Total Playstation preview) and The Godfather might 'help' with that when they come out.
So the PS3 got delayed? Oh well, it's not like the PS2 is dead or anything...

Soldier Mar 16, 2006 12:28 AM

Grr, why is it I sometimes die immediately after I respawn, and it's listed as a suicide (snatcher kills snatcher). This happened like crazy in my last game. Why does this occur? Also, the last game I was in was very laggy (though other people were complaining about that too).

I wonder how you can search for people's names online (before you add them to your friend list)?

Casaubon Mar 16, 2006 12:35 AM

I like how this is fun. Like 6 out of the 8(?) maps are awesome, the other 2 are boring though. I've only played (Team)Deathmatch so far but it's really fun and surprisngly easy learning curve. It only took me like 1 round to get the hang of things.

The suicide thing was probably the lag, I like how that guy was 28.8k. To search for other people go to join game then press start.

I'm getting some lag, but I'm chalking that up to my connection. The lag is cleverly sort of hidden, only a few instances will I get some massive BS like getting shot through 5 walls.

Soldier Mar 16, 2006 02:42 AM

Raikov's CQC is the best move in the whole game. Awesome to use, and I just know it's pissing off the other player. :D

Godai Mar 16, 2006 02:52 AM

The LE is going for crazy coin on eBay, anyone from here selling or bidding on one of those?

Simo Mar 16, 2006 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godai
The LE is going for crazy coin on eBay, anyone from here selling or bidding on one of those?

Nope but I can't say I'm not tempted to sell mine seeing how much they're going for....

randomwab Mar 16, 2006 07:26 AM

Ohh crap, i'm just gonna have to buy a Network adaptor and a Router so i can get my PS2 online for this. The PAL release has been moved back a good few months, i'm tempted to download the 2nd disc in the mean time to get going with online but i dunno whether to, i might just wait, SOLDIER, liking your name in the game, and that match you created sounds so damn fun :biggrin:

Spatula Mar 16, 2006 11:49 AM

OMG I win! (Spatula successfully pulls of a "Solid Snake" at the work place)

Yesterday, I was talking to a female colleague about what we were going to do when we got home. She said some stuff about chores and laundry, cooking etc. I said that I was going to play video games (ie…MGS3) and saying that “yeah it’s a guy thing etc etc etc”. And she’s like… okay so how does sneaking around and hiding yourself apply to the real world? I was like, “herm, I’ll show you sometime”.

So today at the office, she was out of her cubicle talking to one of the managers and I snuck in and hid myself behind a coat rack and crouched down. Basically I was behind a desk and coat rack but my feet were somewhat sticking out. She walks in and doesn’t suspect a thing. She sits down and looks at her computer. I then whisper, “what’s up?” and TOTALLY freaks her out. She had a good laugh after, and then I said, “Application of experience”. So kids, what’s the story? Crouching down and hiding WORKS (provided they are totally un-expecting it), but now she’s more cautious and I’ve lost the element of surprise. FUNNY!~~~~

JasonTerminator Mar 16, 2006 12:01 PM

I hope to god I can find a limited edition today.

I should have pre-ordered a month ago like my intuition said. Now I could be fucked indeed.

Spatula Mar 16, 2006 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JasonTerminator
I hope to god I can find a limited edition today.

I should have pre-ordered a month ago like my intuition said. Now I could be fucked indeed.

Yep, I'd say the chances are slim, "Jim".

I consider myself quite lucky to get my regular copy of Subsistence before the pre-orders, since I ( as well as many other Canadians) had pretty much a zero chance at the LE.

Magic Mar 16, 2006 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spatula
OMG I win! (Spatula successfully pulls of a "Solid Snake" at the work place)

Yesterday, I was talking to a female colleague about what we were going to do when we got home. She said some stuff about chores and laundry, cooking etc. I said that I was going to play video games (ie…MGS3) and saying that “yeah it’s a guy thing etc etc etc”. And she’s like… okay so how does sneaking around and hiding yourself apply to the real world? I was like, “herm, I’ll show you sometime”.

So today at the office, she was out of her cubicle talking to one of the managers and I snuck in and hid myself behind a coat rack and crouched down. Basically I was behind a desk and coat rack but my feet were somewhat sticking out. She walks in and doesn’t suspect a thing. She sits down and looks at her computer. I then whisper, “what’s up?” and TOTALLY freaks her out. She had a good laugh after, and then I said, “Application of experience”. So kids, what’s the story? Crouching down and hiding WORKS (provided they are totally un-expecting it), but now she’s more cautious and I’ve lost the element of surprise. FUNNY!~~~~

Where the heck do you work?

Timberwolf Mar 16, 2006 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spatula
OMG I win! (Spatula successfully pulls of a "Solid Snake" at the work place)

Yesterday, I was talking to a female colleague about what we were going to do when we got home. She said some stuff about chores and laundry, cooking etc. I said that I was going to play video games (ie…MGS3) and saying that “yeah it’s a guy thing etc etc etc”. And she’s like… okay so how does sneaking around and hiding yourself apply to the real world? I was like, “herm, I’ll show you sometime”.

So today at the office, she was out of her cubicle talking to one of the managers and I snuck in and hid myself behind a coat rack and crouched down. Basically I was behind a desk and coat rack but my feet were somewhat sticking out. She walks in and doesn’t suspect a thing. She sits down and looks at her computer. I then whisper, “what’s up?” and TOTALLY freaks her out. She had a good laugh after, and then I said, “Application of experience”. So kids, what’s the story? Crouching down and hiding WORKS (provided they are totally un-expecting it), but now she’s more cautious and I’ve lost the element of surprise. FUNNY!~~~~


Now all you need is a cardboard box.

I think we should all have cardboard boxes. Maybe even ones that say "Oranges" on them.

panzerjedi Mar 16, 2006 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SOLDIER
If it's a competition of figures, I'm sure you'd win. The MGS2 set is all I have, although I'd love that uber expensive MGS3 Snake, with the removal camo and eyepatch.

Hint: Try a Capture the Frog match with just revolvers, and the camps are just mere inches apart (the MGS3 cabin). Watch the insanity ensue. You could go a whole hour just trying to win one round.

In situations like this, it's better to just knock down the enemy rather than kill him. It'll take him much longer to recover than from respawning.

I have a few online questions:

1. I've been getting the following notice the two times I've logged on so far.

Gamefaqs didn't give a solid answer, but the belief is that something needs to be configured in my ports. I'm not sure how to do that though.

That error just states that you can't create your own games for others to join. It has to do with your PS2 being behind a firewall.

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gen...6944263&page=0
The above thread should help you with configuring your ports.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SOLDIER
4. Still not sure how to use the voice taunts on characters like Ocelot. I'd ask someone in the game, but I'm worried I wouldn't be able to hear their answer (see number 3).

Voice taunts are done by pressing the Select button and then using the dpad to select the desired taunt/command/etc. (e.g. press up to get the top taunt, left for the left taunt, etc.)

Spatula Mar 16, 2006 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magic
Where the heck do you work?

An office. Lots of cardboard boxes from the workstations and paper.

Cat9 Mar 16, 2006 02:21 PM

Is it just me, or can we no longer download extra camo with the LE version? I wonder if they can even be used in this version...

Pietak Mar 16, 2006 03:44 PM

http://cgi.ebay.com/Metal-Gear-Solid...QQcmdZViewItem

GAH!!!! I should have ordered 3 copies!!!! Damnit.

Megalith Mar 16, 2006 03:52 PM

Sold out my ass. I bet Best Buy and Circuit City have a few copies just sitting there.

I also like how the LE is this cheap cardboard box. Let me guess, the third disc comes in this little thin, brittle looking case.

Cat9 Mar 16, 2006 04:11 PM

Yeah i was dissapointed that the red cover was just a cardboard box. Inside there is the "regular version" along with another dvd case with the third disc. The other case is not a game case (no memory card slot). Its just like a normal DVD movie case.

Pietak Mar 16, 2006 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megalith
Sold out my ass. I bet Best Buy and Circuit City have a few copies just sitting there.

I also like how the LE is this cheap cardboard box. Let me guess, the third disc comes in this little thin, brittle looking case.

Oh so you obviously need gold foil to please you? Christ, it's only $10 more.

Timberwolf Mar 16, 2006 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pietak
Oh so you obviously need gold foil to please you? Christ, it's only $10 more.

They misled everyone.

People pre-ordered it thinking it was a unique red case.

Simo Mar 16, 2006 05:35 PM

Yeah I think I'll be selling my copy of the LE version+Saga if they're going for $150+. Besides I can always pick up the regular edition with the Demo Theatre which is basically what Existence is anyways.

Spatula Mar 16, 2006 05:43 PM

Meh, I'm just happy with my regular Subsistence and Medicom Snake. Sup.

At least now I know I'm not missing much.

Soldier Mar 16, 2006 06:05 PM

I never thought it would be a red case. I do wish I bought 2, after seeing those Ebay prices.

I had some great fun online today. I entered a Team Deathmatch in the city, playing against a really tough group of players. They tend to use the rooftops quite a bit, but I learned to adapt by hijaking one roof (killing the two snipers that were using it) and picking off their teammates one by one. Then one of the snipers I took out before tried to take back the roof, and attacked me from behind. I retailiated with a punch/kick combo that ended up knocking him right off the roof. Watching him fall to his death was just hilarious. :D

Does anyone know how much it takes to raise your rank? Right now I'm the lowest rating (Pig), which indicates that I'm prone to getting slaughtered a lot. Would I have to avoid getting killed to raise the rank, or is it all a matter of playtime?

Godai Mar 16, 2006 06:07 PM

I know it's been mentioned but...holy shit.

Soldier Mar 16, 2006 06:11 PM

I still haven't figured out how to:

1) Turn the volume up on my mic.

2) Turn off the echo of my own voice in the mic (really annoying).

Megalith Mar 16, 2006 06:14 PM

You're probably sitting too close to your speakers, which is creating the echo.

Spatula Mar 16, 2006 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godai
I know it's been mentioned but...holy shit.

Seriously man. I think the only thing I would want out of that LE set is the Saga stuff about the cut scenes and stuff. Isn't thats what's missing in the regular edition? LOL. My Solid Snake was cheaper than that.

Megalith Mar 16, 2006 06:19 PM

eBay has the dumbest people on Earth. They always feel the need to bid 60% higher than the starting price.

Kind of like how I could have gotten the entire run of Spider-Girl, which started at $20. Of course some asshole had to bid up to $100.

Pietak Mar 16, 2006 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spatula
LOL. My Solid Snake was cheaper than that.

STOOOOOOP Tantalizing me with that!!!

Hantei Mar 16, 2006 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spatula
Seriously man. I think the only thing I would want out of that LE set is the Saga stuff about the cut scenes and stuff. Isn't thats what's missing in the regular edition? LOL. My Solid Snake was cheaper than that.

Actually the Saga DVD was a pre-order bonus. So you got a copy of that as long as you pre-ordered. Even us Canadians got this bonus.

Got my copy of Subsistence from EB yesterday. Though, gonna wait out and see if I'll be able to get a LE from my online order before I open my RE, just incase a fluke of chance that I get it from there. Ahh, if I had known sooner that it was going to be USA only, I would have made a online pre-order with EB way back when it was still available.

Soldier Mar 16, 2006 07:26 PM

Quote:

You're probably sitting too close to your speakers, which is creating the echo.
No, the echo comes directly from the earbud of the headset, and into my right ear. Or were you being sarcastic as always?

Cat9 Mar 16, 2006 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simo
Yeah I think I'll be selling my copy of the LE version+Saga if they're going for $150+. Besides I can always pick up the regular edition with the Demo Theatre which is basically what Existence is anyways.

From what i can see, it is not exactly what the Demo theater is. Existence is a "summary" of the whole story. They leave out enough parts that I feel you would be missing out if you didnt play the whole game through. The "secret demo theater" or whatever they call it seems to be just parodies of certain scenes in the game. I havent unlocked anything (if thats even possible) so I dont know the whole story behind the demo theater.

Spatula Mar 16, 2006 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pietak
STOOOOOOP Tantalizing me with that!!!

You know you want it. Why lie. Mmmmm...tasty.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...omRAHSnake.jpg

You want this, don't you? :: pats snake on the head:: The hate is swelling in you now.

Soldier Mar 16, 2006 09:44 PM

I did want it, until I saw how crappy the painted-on beard looked. ><

Motsy Mar 16, 2006 09:53 PM

I need to get a headset.

Jonathan Ingram Mar 16, 2006 09:59 PM

We all do. I was lucky enough that no one in my area cares about MGS, so when Subsistence came out, they had unpurchased Limited Editions. I immediately put down 10 extra bucks and got one... I'm debating selling it after seeing those eBay prices though.

Spatula Mar 16, 2006 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SOLDIER
I did want it, until I saw how crappy the painted-on beard looked. ><

Well what do you want? Actual beard hair?

Slayer X Mar 16, 2006 10:41 PM

I don't think that anyone can complain about the graphics of MGS4 though. (but people will try)

As for Subsistance, I don't know if this has already been discussed but does anyone have the SE version of this game? And if so, is that third disc really worth getting the SE version for? Just wanted to know before I went to buy this game.

Thanks ^^;

Hantei Mar 16, 2006 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slayer X
I don't think that anyone can complain about the graphics of MGS4 though. (but people will try)

As for Subsistance, I don't know if this has already been discussed but does anyone have the SE version of this game? And if so, is that third disc really worth getting the SE version for? Just wanted to know before I went to buy this game.

Thanks ^^;

Considering what they're auctions off on ebay for, then I'd say yes, assuming that you can even get your hands on one. Truely a limited edition, the MGS3SLE is.

Pietak Mar 16, 2006 11:54 PM

Perhaps the hype has already started to die down? I don't see many bids for ones going above $100 anymore..

Spatula Mar 17, 2006 12:05 AM

Perhaps they started reading this (and other) boards. CRY!

Cat9 Mar 17, 2006 12:37 AM

Im glad i got the LE version, but honestly, dont go out and spend $100+ on it. You wont get anything more than the third disc, which only has the movie version of the story. The second disc is the best for extras anyways. And the story is much better if you experience it with the actual game.

Megalith Mar 17, 2006 12:41 AM

Is the movie disc even in Dolby Digital. It's a complete waste if it isn't.

Also, Game Crazy apparently has tons of LEs.

Gamestop is a piece of turd.

Cat9 Mar 17, 2006 01:41 AM

I believe it is Dolby Digital.

JasonTerminator Mar 17, 2006 02:21 AM

I went to eight stores, to no avail. One EB a couple blocks away has a copy, but it's for a pre-order not picked up yet. They said if it's not picked up by tomorrow, I can buy it. I'm going early tomorrow morning to find out.

Perhaps Ebay prices will go lower, to around $50, soon. I'd pay that for the limited, dammit.

Mobius One Mar 17, 2006 04:42 AM

I got the Limited Edition but haven't watched the third disc yet. I just got online mode to work today. Does anyone know if there is a way to reload a gun online without having to go through the whole ammo clip? The old "unequip then re-equip" method from MGS doesn't work online and I can't find any other method for reloading than to drop the weapon completely and then recollect it.

B4-Hunter Mar 17, 2006 05:05 AM

Does exisatnce have it's own cover? Same thing goes for Online mode disc, is it in same box as DVD 1 or have it's own?

Freddy Krueger Mar 17, 2006 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mobius One
I got the Limited Edition but haven't watched the third disc yet. I just got online mode to work today. Does anyone know if there is a way to reload a gun online without having to go through the whole ammo clip? The old "unequip then re-equip" method from MGS doesn't work online and I can't find any other method for reloading than to drop the weapon completely and then recollect it.

Yes push in the R3 "analog" button to reload. Also for machine guns when in first person view shooting hold L1 as well to center the game and zoom in more for better aiming. Another thing to chat with a mic hold down select then talk while holding it down. It will say voice chat on while holding it, you have to hold it each time you wanna talk.

Cat9 Mar 17, 2006 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B4-Hunter
Does exisatnce have it's own cover? Same thing goes for Online mode disc, is it in same box as DVD 1 or have it's own?

Disc 1 and 2 come in the normal box. Disc 3 comes in its own DVD box.

Misogynyst Gynecologist Mar 17, 2006 11:56 AM

I got an email from EB telling me my copy was in the mail on Wendsday - but by this point I doubt I'll be getting the third disc, which was the whole reason I was buying the game again.

B4-Hunter Mar 17, 2006 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cat9
Disc 1 and 2 come in the normal box. Disc 3 comes in its own DVD box.

Can someone scan the cover of Existance DVD?

JasonTerminator Mar 17, 2006 04:03 PM

Well, I went to EB again this morning to see if I could buy the copy the guy didn't pick up. Apparently, he already paid for it in full, so I couldn't, but the EB employee knew that an EB 40 minutes north had one, so I got it held until I got there and managed to get my own copy.

Goddamn, that was a lot of trouble for one game.

Pietak Mar 17, 2006 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B4-Hunter
Can someone scan the cover of Existance DVD?

Will do, fellow Polish citizen :)

Still no Subsistence in the mail yet, hopefully tomorrow...

Double Post:
Hay Spatula:

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/9225/snake9vz.jpg
"Draw!"

Spatula Mar 17, 2006 05:04 PM

I was never a fan of the Kubric stuff. I go more for realism in most products.

It looks like a large lego man Snake.

B4-Hunter Mar 17, 2006 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pietak
Will do, fellow Polish citizen :)

Still no Subsistence in the mail yet, hopefully tomorrow...

Oh hello =D Or I shoul say: Siemasz =) Are you importing it from US?

Pietak Mar 17, 2006 05:34 PM

Kinda different story. I'm a Polish citizen (i.e. Polish passport), but I'm an immigrant to America. Took forever to get a GreenCard.

Double Post:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Spatula
I was never a fan of the Kubric stuff. I go more for realism in most products.

It looks like a large lego man Snake.

Still is quite awesome, and a bargain at $9.90. Don't know if I could buy something like that over $100.

Megalith Mar 17, 2006 05:38 PM

Any figure smaller than 4 inches is a waste of money.

K_ Takahashi Mar 17, 2006 05:58 PM

When I get a job and ect. (during the summer) I will probably hit up eBay for a LE after the surge of "OMG GATTA GET IT" prices has died down a bit.

its not like Im looking for a sealed copy or anything, but ill be damned if the discs come all steel-wooled and shit.

Pietak Mar 17, 2006 06:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megalith
Any figure smaller than 4 inches is a waste of money.

All figures are a waste of money. But that doesn't mean they're not enjoyable.

Spatula Mar 17, 2006 07:40 PM

I call it an investment (which really doesn't make much of a return for you money). I like the positive nuance it generates instead of, "wasting money on trivial things of life".

B4-Hunter Mar 17, 2006 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pietak
Kinda different story. I'm a Polish citizen (i.e. Polish passport), but I'm an immigrant to America. Took forever to get a GreenCard.

Oh ok =) But nice to see you with Polish flag not US =)

Taterdemalion Mar 17, 2006 09:22 PM

How workable is aiming in mulitplayer? Is it good? Bad?

DBCE Slayer Mar 17, 2006 10:12 PM

I don't think I'll be able to take MGS online. I'm already perfectly content with the Metal Gear games and the extra stuff on Snake vs Monkey.

Slayer X Mar 17, 2006 10:55 PM

The aiming of MGS3 online is... well interesting. For long range you can use the laser sight that's on some guns, and for others you have to go into first-person, and then aim using the iron sights. For close range all you need to do is face in the general direction and pull the trigger and it'll auto aim. But trust me, if you get close enough to use the auto aim, you tend to be better off using your knife or your melee attack.

I know this system sounds complicated, and it kind of is. But once you get the hang of it it works really well, and you'll appreciate the freedom it gives you to develop your own method of attack. If you like team based combat, this game does it the best. If you like fighting on your lonesome though, it can get tedious. And there's a cool mode that resembles Splinter Cell's online portion where you can do Snake VS a selectable team (ex. the Ocelots, Kruchevs men, Volgen's Men, ect.).

One of my favouriate parts of MGSO is that if you do team games, the person with the best stats on each team gets to use the team leader character. (ex. you have a team of ocelots and the best player plays as Ocelot himself). You don't really get any special stats or techniques because of it, but it's cool to see the faction leaders running around the battlefield.

*This post has not been spell checked*

Cat9 Mar 17, 2006 11:46 PM

Actually, the special characters DO get special abilities.

Ocelot has a bulletproof hat, which prevents headshots.

Solokov gets a stealth camo (although they give this character to the worst player)

and the third guy (i forget his name) has a one hit kill CQC move

Slayer X Mar 18, 2006 12:20 AM

Cool I didn't know that. heh heh

Thanks for correcting me there. ^^

Simo Mar 18, 2006 12:45 AM

Yeah it'll be alot longer for me to get online considering I just sold my copy for over $110.

Seriously, is Existence really worth that much when you can just watch all the cutscenes on the first disc with the regular edition?

Timberwolf Mar 18, 2006 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Simo
Yeah it'll be alot longer for me to get online considering I just sold my copy for over $110.

Seriously, is Existence really worth that much when you can just watch all the cutscenes on the first disc with the regular edition?

I read that Existence is not all the original cutscenes piece together. But it's got different camera angles, along with narration -- and it's more than three hours long.

Slayer X Mar 18, 2006 12:55 AM

that's exactly right. But I've also heard that the disc that comes with MGS3 SE is only part one of the whole thing. Hopefully this is not the case though because it would be a pain to get the rest.

Timberwolf Mar 18, 2006 01:02 AM

Part one?

Then where's the rest of it...

JasonTerminator Mar 18, 2006 01:27 AM

Somewhat crappy that the third disc only works on PS2s. I was hoping to be able to pop this bad boy in my DVD player and watch it from that.

Freddy Krueger Mar 18, 2006 02:36 AM

For good aiming on the machine guns just hold L1+R1 while shooting =]

Cat9 Mar 18, 2006 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slayer X
that's exactly right. But I've also heard that the disc that comes with MGS3 SE is only part one of the whole thing. Hopefully this is not the case though because it would be a pain to get the rest.

I imagine the second vol. will come with MG4....

Sepharite Mar 18, 2006 11:02 AM

I heard there was a movie included. What is that about?

Servilonus Mar 18, 2006 11:34 AM

I'm surprised actually that the LE is hard to find. My friend put a reserve on it in Babbages, but forgot to reserve the LE. He did, however, get Saga vol. 1 for reserving it. So we went there, and they had no LE, so we went to the EB across the way in the mall, and they had like 12 copies of it. So he and I both bought a copy (I don't have Saga, but I really wish I did).

Online mode was pretty fun, although all people were doing was teamkilling half the time. We couldn't really play that well due to the awful lag as well.

The movie was...interesting, yet disappointing. It was arranged in such a fashion that if you had not played the game, you would have no idea what was going on. It also made the game appear incredibly lame. Without the actual badass gameplay, all it really showed to me was how pointless and ridiculous the Cobra Unit was, and how much of an idiot Volgin was. Pretty much half the time I was just insulting Volgin, or someone else. It really drew away the serious tone of the game, and leaves alot of random questions.
Singint's voice appears like near the end of the game, yet you have no idea who he is. Also, near the end, after Snake leaves Graznyj Grad in the game, his outfit changes for like a half hour for no discernible reason. Then it changes back.

The worst part about it really was the "recut" aspect of it. It would have been much better had they just told the story in order. If any normal story goes in the order 1234567, this was 7124365. They jumbled everything up (perhaps attempting a pulp fictionesque style but failing miserably), and again, if you hadn't played the game, you would be utterly confused. I wish it could have been more accessible though, so I could show it to non fans/gamers. I really wish they did that better, as that's why I decided to get it.
What does anyone else with LE think of the movie?

Timberwolf Mar 18, 2006 12:36 PM

That's the whole movie, then?

What is this Part 2 or Vol. 2 I'm hearing about.

Pietak Mar 18, 2006 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timberwolf
That's the whole movie, then?

What is this Part 2 or Vol. 2 I'm hearing about.

That's probably referring to a Part two of the Metal Gear Saga.

Timberwolf Mar 18, 2006 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pietak
That's probably referring to a Part two of the Metal Gear Saga.

Ohh, I see. I got the Existence disc and the Saga Vol. 1 disc mixed up there for a minute.

Thanks Pietak.

Spatula Mar 18, 2006 01:05 PM

Meh, I also thought they were the same thing. >_>

Existence disc -- > LE

Saga Vol. 1 --> Pre-order bonus

Amirite.

Timberwolf Mar 18, 2006 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spatula
Existence disc -- > LE

Saga Vol. 1 --> Pre-order bonus

Amirite.

Yeah, that's it.



I downloaded Saga Vol. 1, so I didn't lose out much by not pre-ordering. And from what I heard, the Existence disc isn't the greatest thing ever.

Spatula Mar 18, 2006 01:20 PM

Please pass on the goods?

Timberwolf Mar 18, 2006 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spatula
Please pass on the goods?

Of course.

I got it from this thread. Specifically Anubis' post.

I haven't watched it yet, though.

Spatula Mar 18, 2006 05:24 PM

I'm just about to meet up with EVA on the mountaim. I'm guess I'm about half way through the game eh? Wow, pretty much most of these areas I kill the guards, very few "rooms" so far I've left untouched.

Timberwolf Mar 18, 2006 06:06 PM

I like to go for no-kill playthroughs.

Everytime I go into an area, my objective is sneak in there, hold up every guard, get their items, and interrogate them to hear what they have to say.

Then I CQC and push them to the ground. Then I leave.

They don't know I left.

Spatula Mar 18, 2006 06:30 PM

Chasing "The End" around the fields was pretty fun. He's pretty harmless, you just gotta act fast with the cure option. Love sneaking up on him while he's sitting and snoring then CAP CAP CAP CAP with my AK, then when he runs away, it's sniping time! So far I think he's the easiest boss of the Cobra unit.

Oh yeah I cheated.

CHEAT CODE:
Up Up Down Down Left Right Left Right Square Triangle in the map :edgartpg: No wonder I found it so easy. Well, I just prefer to have a "cheap" fight.

Timberwolf Mar 18, 2006 06:45 PM

I recommend tranquilizing bosses. For not killing them, you get

Spoiler:
their camo.


For beating The End without killing him, you get

Spoiler:
a special tranquilizer sniper rifle (if I remember correctly).

B4-Hunter Mar 18, 2006 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Timberwolf
I recommend tranquilizing bosses. You get their camo for not killing them.

For beating The End without killing him, you get a special tranquilizer sniper rifle (if I remember correctly).

Try to put info like this in spoiler tag cause someone may want to discover it by him self =(

Spatula Mar 18, 2006 07:19 PM

About the bosses:

!:
I really don't care for their camos. I just find that I have more ammo for killing rather than for the MK-22. Shot gun go boom

Timberwolf Mar 18, 2006 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B4-Hunter
Try to put info like this in spoiler tag cause someone may want to discover it by him self =(

Sorry about that. I figured that wasn't something plot-related or hidden.

But I'll be more careful next time.

I've edited my previous post to include Spoiler tags.

makura Mar 18, 2006 08:41 PM

Has anyone tried to play the Duel Mode? Normal Mode is pretty chellenging to get the top score, but I finished that all with highest score. The Special Mode is really tough (some of them.) I only got the high score on a few of them.

Slayer X Mar 18, 2006 11:21 PM

I've been busy in that mode myself and have gotten about as far as you. You are right though some of thoes specials are pretty darn hard. (right up there with European Extreme). But to this day though I still find the battle against Volgin the toughest battle in the game by far. If anyone has any good strategies for laying waste to this disturbing and powerful boss, plese post them here or PM me. ^^

I know that alot of people find the final battle hard, but I've done it so many times I can make them look like a joke.

JazzFlight Mar 18, 2006 11:31 PM

The Fear Battle:
Spoiler (highlight to read):
Was it just me, or was the Fear realllllllly easy? Like, beat him in 1 minute on the first try easy?

All I did was stay in first-person mode, took out my mk22 tranq gun, watched where he jumped to (stealth camo wasn't too invisible), and shot him twice on each branch. He didn't even have a chance to shoot at me.

Slayer X Mar 19, 2006 12:03 AM

Here was my method to deal with Fear
:
He is quite easy. All I did was use the thermal goggles and the AK47 and he was down 1,2,3.

Spatula Mar 19, 2006 04:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JazzFlight
The Fear Battle:
Spoiler (highlight to read):
Was it just me, or was the Fear realllllllly easy? Like, beat him in 1 minute on the first try easy?

All I did was stay in first-person mode, took out my mk22 tranq gun, watched where he jumped to (stealth camo wasn't too invisible), and shot him twice on each branch. He didn't even have a chance to shoot at me.

Spoiler:
I ran around shooting the frogs and mushrooms to make him come down and eat the poisoned food. This lowered his stamina so he spent more time on the ground. I then blew him away with me good ol' shotgun


I think The End and especially The Fury are hilariously easy on normal difficultly.

Spoiler:
The Fury just walks around thinking he's God. Well no. I run to the door on the one side and take out my sniper rifle and pin him three times in a row in his helmet. He then screams out, "SON OF A BIIIIIIITCHH!!!" and laughs from me ensued.


CAN'T TOUCH THIS!

B4-Hunter Mar 19, 2006 09:27 AM

THE END:
Spoiler:
You know that if you start fight with The End and save. Then set your PS2 data forward few year and then load. The End will be dead from old age =P?

Pietak Mar 19, 2006 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B4-Hunter
THE END:
Spoiler:
You know that if you start fight with The End and save. Then set your PS2 data forward few year and then load. The End will be dead from old age =P?

Spoiler:
Actually, It only needs to be a week!

Taterdemalion Mar 19, 2006 11:58 AM

I found all bosses easy on normal difficulty. It saddened me that I defeated them so easily.

Spoiler:
Why is everybody doing this?

Timberwolf Mar 19, 2006 01:52 PM

In the battle with The End,

Spoiler:
You can sneak up on him and hold him up,
Spoiler:
and get him to shake and give you his Moss Camo.




Quote:

Originally Posted by Taterdemalion
Spoiler:
Why is everybody doing this?

Because
Spoiler:
This is the first time through MGS3 for some people.

Rydia Mar 19, 2006 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spatula
Chasing "The End" around the fields was pretty fun. He's pretty harmless, you just gotta act fast with the cure option. Love sneaking up on him while he's sitting and snoring then CAP CAP CAP CAP with my AK, then when he runs away, it's sniping time! So far I think he's the easiest boss of the Cobra unit.

Oh yeah I cheated.

CHEAT CODE:
Up Up Down Down Left Right Left Right Square Triangle in the map :edgartpg: No wonder I found it so easy. Well, I just prefer to have a "cheap" fight.

That's interesting. I should try that when I go through the game a second time.

The first time I fought The End, I was there for about 30-45 minutes because I didn't know any tricks for fighting him. I still found the battle fun. At that time, I didn't have the thermal goggles at all, so I had a hard time finding him.

I was near a cliff area just looking around, and noticed something shining at the cliffs on the other side. I used the scope and saw that The End hadn't spotted me yet. I remember running out of ammo for all weapons except for the handgun, so I had to use that to shoot The End even if he was on another cliff. It ended up working though.

makura Mar 19, 2006 03:22 PM

You guys should really try to beat the bosses in the Special Duel Mode.
You don't get any thermal goggles or anything for the fight with The Fear or The End. In fact, the fight with The End doesn't even let you have the Directional Microphone to hear where he is, plus he's constantly on the move and not sitting in one place for long. One headshot from The End, and you're dead. The konami code to show his location doesn't work for duel mode.

B4-Hunter Mar 19, 2006 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pietak
Spoiler:
Actually, It only needs to be a week!

Oh =P didn't know =) Any news about the covers?

Spatula Mar 19, 2006 08:08 PM

Well, I just got the ending credits for this game. It's been fun. And also somewhat quite sad. I have to say I did roll a tear or two just after the VERY last battle, and the subsequent scenes as well.

Okay, I'm pretty sad trying to understand these type of games but at the VERY end after the credits
Spoiler:
It was Ocelot talking right? Who was he talking to? Remind me again of Big Boss' children. I know of Solid, Liquid, and Solidus in SOL. Also, who is the "director"? Mr. Kojima? Yeah he sure has a good time messing around with my head.


Also with EVA,
Spoiler:
It also pains me to see that she really was another spy at the end and was working for China. Oh well.


All in all, I think I liked this MGS game the most, followed by the first game, then SOL. They're all very well done, but this one takes the cake. It's got a lot of varied environments to keep you interested and it doesn't have to make you run around back and forth (1st game) and having to revisit old places over and over again (both 1st and 2nd game). I didn't like being couped up in the Big Shell.

I don't really know about playing this game another round anytime soon. I get this feeling of "regret" after beating pretty much every game, especially RPGs, or no matter how "fun" or light-hearted the game might be.

Back to that term paper due for tomorrow. :edgartpg:

Timberwolf Mar 19, 2006 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spatula

Okay, I'm pretty sad trying to understand these type of games but at the VERY end after the credits
Spoiler:
It was Ocelot talking right? Who was he talking to? Remind me again of Big Boss' children. I know of Solid, Liquid, and Solidus in SOL. Also, who is the "director"? Mr. Kojima? Yeah he sure has a good time messing around with my head.


Ocelot was

Spoiler:
the American spy. He was working with the American government. He was "Adam."

He was also
Spoiler:
The Boss's son (as revealed in a radio conversation if you call up EVA repeatedly right after the Ocelot shootout when you fall into the cave).

Spatula Mar 19, 2006 08:35 PM

OCELOT!!!
Spoiler:


Yeah, Ocelot was born June 1944 was it? The Boss had her baby on the battlefield, so by simple mathematics he's 20 in the game. I never like Ocelot much prior to, but this has "spunk", and I love his hand guestures with extending index and middle finger out.

But it's interesting, Ocelot in MGS2 wants to rebuild and strengthen "Mother Russia"? What's the sudden change? I remember this after you take pictures of Metal Gear Ray.

Firefly Mar 19, 2006 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cat9
Actually, the special characters DO get special abilities.

Ocelot has a bulletproof hat, which prevents headshots.

Solokov gets a stealth camo (although they give this character to the worst player)

and the third guy (i forget his name) has a one hit kill CQC move

Funny, I thought Ocelot's special ability was shot-banking (only with his revolver, though). The third guy is Raikov.
On a related note, I think an interesting bonus for the online mode would have been levels based on previous games in the series...

Hantei Mar 19, 2006 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spatula
But it's interesting, Ocelot in MGS2 wants to rebuild and strengthen "Mother Russia"? What's the sudden change? I remember this after you take pictures of Metal Gear Ray.

I think you've mistaken him for Gurlukovich. He was the one that wanted to restore power to "mother Russia." Ocelot said he had no interest: "Like I said I came to take it back. Returned, to the Patriots!"

Spatula Mar 19, 2006 09:46 PM

My memory has failed me.

Now this word is popping into my head. Why.

Spoiler:
SHALASHASKA!


And...

Spoiler:
La Li Lu Le Lo

makura Mar 19, 2006 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spatula
My memory has failed me.

Now this word is popping into my head. Why.

Spoiler:
SHALASHASKA!


And...

Spoiler:
La Li Lu Le Lo



Those words are another name for..

Spoiler:
shalashaska = ocelot's other name.. maybe in Russian
La Li Lu Le Lo = another name for the Patriots

Pietak Mar 19, 2006 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B4-Hunter
Oh =P didn't know =) Any news about the covers?

:annoyed: I'm going to get the USPS guy and strangle him. I haven't recieved the game yet. It's killing me.
When I get it, I will take that cover out and lick it. Then I'll scan it for you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by striped phantom
Those words are another name for..

Spoiler:
shalashaska = ocelot's other name.. maybe in Russian
La Li Lu Le Lo = another name for the Patriots

Spoiler:
Shalashaska is a Russian slang word for "prison"

Mobius One Mar 19, 2006 10:49 PM

If my memeory serves me, Shalashaska is what the Mujahideen forces called Ocelot durring the Soviet-Afghanistan war.


Well, I've finally logged in enough time online to say that I like it more than SOCOM 3. Subsistence is the best online game on PS2, I freakin' love this game! It's not just about getting kills, but using tactics as well. Developing a playing style has joys unknown in other online games I've played. Between this and my recently purchased copy of God of War (great game!), I'm going to have no time for anything.

One of the coolest games I've played was in the City under Siege with 2 master Snipers, "Solid" and "Liqud". They positioned themselves opposite each other across the city and covered each other with their sniper fire. I was having a blast just trying to figure out how to expose the weakness of their tactic despite the fact that I lost bigtime.



I have a couple questions about online:

Is there a way to join a game with someone on your friends list? I can't find out how to do it.

Also, how do you play as the Rumble Roses characters? I've been every other special character except them. Do you have to beat Snake Eater on the Subsistence disc in order to unlock them or something? Or perhaps there's an option when creating a game? I noticed that when creating a game, underneath the option to use special characters theres a grey field that says "???". Is this some unlockable online option?

Slayer X Mar 19, 2006 10:53 PM

Spatula:
Spoiler:
Actually if you rewatch the cinematic at the end of the tanker in MGS2 Ocelot sais that he abandoned mother Russia when he turns on Gurlukavitch.


Mobius: I think you're on the right track, though I don't really know myself. ^^;

Update: Accumilate 50 hours of online gameplay time to unlock Reiko and Dixie from Konami's "Rumble Roses".

Spatula Mar 19, 2006 11:26 PM

A few things that stook out to me when I compared the game to what I was expecting:

1. I kinda expected to use the croc head for more than just that one river which lasted like what 30 seconds? The croc head seemed pretty useless after that.

2.
Spoiler:


http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...e176/AAGun.jpg

I was expecting this as a cut scene, no? I know its on the mountain top on the second stage. But it looked like it would have made a nice cutscene of Snake taking down a Hind. I guess I mistook this cutscene, instead it just turned out to be gameplay.

Also here's another one which I remember seeing quite a long time ago even before SE was released. The only parts that I can remember this happening are at the end of the virtuous mission or before meeting the Sorrow.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3.../SnakeFire.jpg

I kept thinking that these would be cutscenes before playing Subsistence - Snake Eater, but I guess not, just part of the gameplay. I'm aware that the camo you change into will show up in the cutscene, and I never did put snake without his top.



Also, I have the MGS3 OST as well, but when I'm listening to the MAIN THEME for MGS3, which is 6 minutes 30 seconds long, I've only heard it when you fight the Shagohod. I thought this would be at the beginning of the game as well? Sigh, I'd like to check, but once I start playing again, I can't stop. Plus I never play a game again the same day I beat it. I probably won't touch the game for a few months now.

Mobius One Mar 20, 2006 12:17 AM

Quote:

Accumilate 50 hours of online gameplay time to unlock Reiko and Dixie from Konami's "Rumble Roses".
Well, I guess that puts a kink in my plan to get a new online name. I was thinking about changing my current one, "Cornered_Fox". I was thinking "Snakes on a Plane", but that's too long. Once I get 50 hours of online play, can I choose the Roses as the special characters specifically when creating a game? I heard that their special moves are very powerful.

I'd like to say that the salute move is one of the coolest things I've seen in an online game ever. It can be used as both a taunt and a sign of respect. I will usually salute a fallen foe if he was a worthy opponent. It's also hillarious to salute comrades who saved your ass and then have them salute you back. Brilliant!

I'm glad to see that people are enjoying Snake Eater for the first time, though I'm a little surprised that so many people waited this long to play it. It kind of makes me worry that some people perhaps intended to wait for Subsistence, but then lost interest. More people need to play this game. I feel that it was a little underrated. Though it garnered much critical acclaim, it didn't really win as many awards as I might have hoped.

Also, is it just me or do the original Metal Gears resemble the modern ones ALOT more than previously thought? It may not be a surprise to those that have played the original Gears before, but I'm ecstatic! If you look past the graphics, the Solid series is almost a carbon copy with the exception of a new move or two here and there. Who'd of thunk it?

Timberwolf Mar 20, 2006 12:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spatula
1. I kinda expected to use the croc head for more than just that one river which lasted like what 30 seconds? The croc head seemed pretty useless after that.

There are some tricks you can do with it.

Try putting it on when you're

Spoiler:
disguised as a scientist. And let a guard see you with it on.

Mobius One Mar 20, 2006 12:36 AM

Wow. That's the one thing that I've never done in Snake Eater. And I thought I'd done it all...

Timberwolf Mar 20, 2006 12:40 AM

It's just a little thing.

But it's nice that they thought of all these little details.

Mobius One Mar 20, 2006 01:30 AM

LOL, I just found out that Raikov is immune to the books!

Timberwolf Mar 20, 2006 01:38 AM

I remember that one.

Have you tried giving Raikov rotten food. He'll eat anything you toss on the floor.

Follow him after he eats the rotten food.

And

Spoiler:
don't forget to knock after he gets in there. Knock repeatedly.



I don't recommend giving him poisonous food, though. But it's still worth seeing it once.

Stealth Mar 20, 2006 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mobius One
LOL, I just found out that Raikov is immune to the books!

Spoiler:
He's gay

Soldier Mar 20, 2006 02:26 AM

But are the Rumble Rose girls immune to the books? Seriously, I don't know.

And despite what the idiots in Gamefaqs might tell you, Ocelot's hat does NOT make him immune to headshots. I had the chance to play him today, and I got picked off by the snipers same as usual.

Spatula Mar 20, 2006 03:53 PM

After reading a thread which started discussing about "cannibalism", I wondered what Snake would say if he was hungry and ate a dead guard.

<Snake>"Hmmm.....tasty."

<Para-Medic> "OMG YOU ATE A HUMAN!"

<Snake> "Shut up you ho, I got tired of them snakes and crawly things."

Timberwolf Mar 20, 2006 04:20 PM

There was a conversation between Snake and ParaMedic about eating the attack dogs.

That was literally my first thought when I first encountered them. "Are they edible."

Spatula Mar 20, 2006 04:25 PM

Herm? Damn, I must have skipped over that codec. Usally most stuff with Paramedic or Signit/whatever I skip over. I don't care how many stupid movies she watched. The only one I like was when they were talking about the James Bond films and Snake says he's not really into spying. I guess he lets the gun do the talking.

Timberwolf Mar 20, 2006 04:42 PM

It was one of those radio-coversations where you just call up ParaMedic the first time you see an attack dog.

I did that all the time, just to hear EVERYTHING each character had to say about EVERYTHING. Everytime I pick up a new food item, I call ParaMedic. Everytime I pick up a new weapon, I call Sigint.

And I call repeatedly until they run out new things to say.

ParaMedic will say different things to you depending on whether you've eaten the food item before.

They recorded so MUCH material, and thought of practically every little detail that makes the game so great.

Spatula Mar 20, 2006 05:03 PM

Perhaps I should have paid more attention to the codecs. I still took my time though; 28 some hours from beginning to end. As with most of these sneaking games, I sometimes sit in the same spot for more than 10 minutes to watch how the guards patrol. I think most people watching me play would be annoyed by me just laying there. I think the virtuous mission I crawled like 5 feet every minute, partially because it's been so long since my last sneaking-around game. So slow....

Shenlon Mar 20, 2006 05:06 PM

I've already played the original snake eater so I don't feel like paying for it to play it again. All I really want from substinance is the online play but I heard you need to do some dnas patching when burning it to a dvd and it sounds like a hastle >_<
I'll see when I get to play it cause I hear the online play is great.
And talking about codec, there are pleanty of funy conversations, ever tried:
Spoiler:
Putting ur camo to the Naked option and then calling Sigint, so funny ^^

Spatula Mar 20, 2006 05:16 PM

I'd wish for a PS2 version of Twin Snakes, which really is the first game. But I think I'd find it easier to play again than the original PSX version. I love MGS, but for some reason I find it just didn't age too well.

Perhaps one day when they DO make a PS2 version, however unlikely, then I'll do a big MGS marathon doing 3,1,2, then hopefully 4.

Timberwolf Mar 20, 2006 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shenlon
And talking about codec, there are pleanty of funy conversations, ever tried:
Spoiler:
Putting ur camo to the Naked option and then calling Sigint, so funny ^^

There are so MANY funny conversations. Also try:

Spoiler:
Equipping a cardboard box and then calling everyone




Quote:

Originally Posted by Spatula
Perhaps I should have paid more attention to the codecs. I still took my time though; 28 some hours from beginning to end. As with most of these sneaking games, I sometimes sit in the same spot for more than 10 minutes to watch how the guards patrol. I think most people watching me play would be annoyed by me just laying there. I think the virtuous mission I crawled like 5 feet every minute, partially because it's been so long since my last sneaking-around game. So slow....

Yeah, that's how I play. I'll go into an area, lie down in the grass, and look in first person.

And just observe and listen.


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Yes, the gameplay of the the original Metal Gear Solid for PSX didn't age too well. But the story, music, atmosphere, and flair are just as brilliant as they were eight years ago.

I don't care that much for Twin Snakes. The original MGS was never meant to be played with MGS2 controls. The layout of the structures and boss fights were never designed with first-person aiming in mind, which watered down the difficulty.

I'll stick with my Playstation MGS.

Spatula Mar 20, 2006 05:47 PM

I'm starting to think now, How DID I manage to take down those guards w/o alerts? Snake couldn't do a choke hold from behind. He only did "karate-action" punches and kicks. Maybe I didn't take down any of the guards, just pure sneaking. There was the tranq gun, but it didn't work too well when you shot at the body. Maybe I'm thinking of MGS2.

Timberwolf Mar 20, 2006 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spatula
I'm starting to think now, How DID I manage to take down those guards w/o alerts? Snake couldn't do a choke hold from behind. He only did "karate-action" punches and kicks. Maybe I didn't take down any of the guards, just pure sneaking. There was the tranq gun, but it didn't work too well when you shot at the body. Maybe I'm thinking of MGS2.

Are you referring to the original MGS? Because you can do chokeholds in all subsequent games.

Spatula Mar 20, 2006 06:03 PM

The one for PSX, yeah MGS. You COULD do choke holds? Man, no wonder I found the game tough. >_>So the guy gets knocked out right?

Megalith Mar 20, 2006 06:07 PM

I heard that you could even crawl in the first MGS.

Slayer X Mar 20, 2006 06:16 PM

Well you could do chokeholds, but you couldn't drag them and use them as human shields though I don't think. If I remember correctly you could only snap their necks.

I wouldn't be surprised if I was wrong though, because when I want to play MGS1 I play the GC version anymore. Best remake ever!!!

Timberwolf Mar 20, 2006 06:16 PM

Yes, you can apply chokeholds and snap their necks in the original MGS.

There were no guns with tranquilizer rounds in that game, though.

Spatula Mar 20, 2006 07:55 PM

Here's a nice recap of the events of MGS1 and MGS2. SPOILERS ABOUND!

This is taken from a walkthrough written by "LionHart627" from gamefaqs.

Source:http://db.gamefaqs.com/console/ps2/f...ar_solid_3.txt

Spoiler:

MGS Summary by LionHart627


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"Sounds like a spy movie..."
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The year is 2005. On the chain of islands known as the Fox-Acripelago, in a
remote area of Alaska exists Shadow Moses, an island which is the location of
a top-secret nuclear warhead facility. During an excercise involving Armstech
and DARPA, Next-Generation Special Forces, led by members of unit FOX-HOUND,
invade the base, and take control. In control, the terroist leader makes the
demands. They want the remains of the greatest soldier of the 20th century, Big
Boss, and one billions dollars. They state if their demands are not met within
24 hours, they will launch a nuclear weapon.

Secretary of Defense, Jim Houseman, calls upon retired FOX-HOUND commander, and
the main character of this game, Colonel Roy "Chicken Fox" Campbell, to deal
with the situation. In turn, Roy takes it upon himself to bring the legendary
Solid Snake out of retirement. After being taken from his home by armed
soldiers, Snake is taken into a submarine, near the site of the incident. Here,
Snake meets with Roy and Dr. Naomi Hunter, FOX-HOUND's chief medical officer.
Naomi gives Snake an injection of nanomachines while Roy briefs Snake on the
events and Snake's two objectives: He is to rescue DARPA Chief Donald Anderson,
and ArmsTech president Kenneth Baker, and he is to find out whether or not the
terroists have the ability to launch a nuclear weapon.

While Snake is virtually a one-man army for this mission, he does have support.
Roy and Naomi will keep in contact with him via Codec, Mei Ling, a young genius
is in charge of his mission data, Nastasha Romanenko will give him information
on the equipment he finds, as well as the type of nuclear missiles in the base.
Snake also finds out that Campbell is in on the mission because his niece is
being held on Shadow Moses island.

After asking about the injection he was given, Naomi explains to Snake what
exactly nanomachines are. She explains that the injection was a combination of
nanomachines and anti-freezing peptites. The peptites stop his blood from
freezing, and the nanomachines work in the bloodstream to replace adrenaline,
sugar, and nutrition, so Snake will not have to worry about food. The nano-
machines also keep the Codec batteries functioning.

Campbell also explains to Snake that the Next Generation Special Forces aren't
just your average grunts. They're heavily armed, and the six members of FOX-
HOUND are hardened veterans. Evidentally, the Next Gen Special Forces were
involved in the Human Genome Project, and have been strengthened through gene
therapy, more specifically, they have been strengthened through gene therapy
thanks to the "soldier genes" that were found on the remains of legendary
soldier Big Boss, after the fall of Zanzibar. These "soldier genes" are
responsible for making effective soldiers. These Next Gen Special Forces also
were mercenaries from Outer Heaven, and the U.S. government bought out their
contracts and merged them with Force 21. They had no real life experience, and
were basically "video game players".

Snake is finally briefed on unit FOX-HOUND. There are six members participating
in this revolt - Psycho Mantis, the worlds most powerful psychic and
practitioner of telekinesis, Vulcan Raven, a giant and shaman, Sniper Wolf, a
highly trained sniper who can stay in the same position, at the ready, for
days, or even weeks, Decoy Octopus, a master of disguise, Revolver Ocelot, gun-
fighting and interrogation expert, and the leader of the terroists, Liquid
Snake.

Snake is astounded that someone has the same code-name as him. Campbell goes
into some details on Liquid. Liquid joined FOX-HOUND soon after Solid Snake had
retired to Alaska. Campbell shows Snake a picture Liquid, and Snake is
astounded to see that this man has his face.

It took some convincing, but Roy was finally able to get Snake to agree on the
mission. He informs Snake that in this operation, all weapons and equipment are
procure on site. Snake is loaded into a Swimmer Delivery Vehicle, and is sent
into battle. However, before leaving, Snake asks Naomi for some scissors, so he
can cut his hair. He doesn't want to be confused with the terroist leader, now
does he?


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A SURVEILANCE CAMERA?!?1
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After a rough time in the SDV, Snake arrives in the lower dock of Shadow Moses,
and surfaces just in time to hear Liquid Snake warn the Genome Soldiers
patrolling the area, that "he" will be through the area. Liquid then heads to
ground level, via freight elevator. After surfacing and making initial contact
with Roy, Snake himself makes it into the freight elevator, and proceeds with
his mission. Upon arriving at ground level, Snake is briefed on the area and
his suit by Campbell and Naomi. He is also introduced to Mei Ling, the creator
of the Soliton Radar System, which Snake is using. Liquid also takes off in a
Russian Hind-D to "swat down some bothersome flies".

Yadda, yadda, yadda, Snake manages to get into the Tank Hangar and make his way
through the base. He reaches the DARPA Chief's cell by crawling through the
ventilation shaft. The Chief confirms that the terroists can launch a nuke, and
he also reveals that Shadow Moses is actually the site where a new Metal Gear
is being developed.

"Metal Gear?!?! It can't be" Snake says, clearly surprised.

The weapon is a new version of Metal Gear, codenamed REX. It can launch a nuke
from anywhere on the globe. Now Snake's got another thing to worry about...

Before dying of a "heart attack" the Chief tells Snake about the PAL system
necessary to override the launch system. Snake shrugs it off, and soon hears
some commotion coming from outside of his cell. His cell door soon opens and
Snake finds himself face to face with a rookie in a guard's outfit. How can he
tell she's a rookie? Simple.

"Is this the first time you ever pointed a gun at a person? Your hands are
shaking.", Snake taunts, to which the girl responds with:

"Careful, I'm no rookie!!"

Snake continues his taunting, "Liar! That nervous glance...that scared look in
your eyes. They're rookie's eyes if I ever saw them. You've never shot a
person, am I right? You haven't even taken the safety off, rookie."

That Snake is a bastard...just like my uncle said.

Anyways, Snake and the girl fight off some guards, and the girl manages to run
away. Snake follows after her, but is greeted with a lovely hallucination
thanks to Psycho Mantis, and is shot at by the girl. Snake heads down to the
B2, and after using C4 to blow up some wall, he finds Armstech president,
Kenneth Baker tied to the central pillar. However, upon closer inspection,
Snake finds that he is tied to the pillar with wires that are attached to C4
explosives. Suddenly, a shot rings out, and Snake with his quick reflexes,
backflips to dodge it.

"Right, touch that wire and the C4 will blow up along with the old man." a
hoarse voice states, "So you're the one that the boss keeps talking about."

"And you?" Snake replies.

"Special Operations FOX-Hound"

He then twirls his revolver some.

"Revolver-"

He twirls some more. And more. And he does this for like, ten minutes, finally
he stops.

"Ocelot. I've been waiting for you, Solid Snake. Now let's see if the man can
live up to the legend."

Ocelot then rants about his Colt Single Action Army, gets in a gun duel with
Snake, and a suddenly gets his hand chopped off.

"WHAT?! MY HAND! AUGH!" Ocelot screams.

The blade-wielder makes himself visible, turning off the stealth camouflage
that he had on. Ocelot, scared as a little kitty, runs, saying that he and
Snake will meet again. Baker makes note of the stealth camouflage, and Snake
asks who this person is. He appears to be a cyborg ninja of sorts. Of course,
the ninja's answer of "I am like you, I have no name" isn't very helpful. The
Ninja freaks out, fights Snake, then flees. Snake asks Baker if he is alright,
and learns some new information. Evidentally, a young female soldier has the
three card keys, Baker gave them to her. Snake is told to contact Meryl, but
when he asks for her codec frequency, Baker forgets. Bastard. He says it's on
the back of the "package" (Third wall go bye bye...). Snake's also told to find
find Hal Emmerich, chief engineer of REX. Baker then goes on a twenty minute
rant about REX and nuclear arms. I'm serious. It's that goddamn long.
Eventually, Baker dies of yet another "heart attack" (as diagnosed by Roy and
Naomi). I must say, if he hadn't died there, I would have killed him.

Anyways, Snake contacts Meryl, and gets her to open the Tank Hangar door, which
allows him to get to the Nuclear Warhead Storage Building. However, on his way
there, he is attacked by Vulcan Raven who happens to be in a tank. Very fair.
However, since Snake is just so cool, he tosses some grenades into the tank,
blowing it up. Snake moves on. Raven makes fun of Ocelot for losing his hand to
the ninja. Liquid warns both Raven and Ocelot not to underestimate Snake. He's
quite dangerous to them.


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Snake manages to get to the nuclear storage building. On the B2, after using a
Nikita missile to delectrify an electric floor, Snake makes his way to Hal
Emmerich's lab. However, outside of the lab, Snake watches in shock as the
Cyborg Ninja massacres a group of guards. The Ninja enters the lab, and Snake
is forced to walk among the bodies as he makes his way to it.

Inside, he finds the Ninja threatening Emmerich. The Ninja asks where his
friend is, but all the frightened Emmerich can do is wet his pants. Snake makes
his presence known, saying "Hey...you're that Ninja". Yeah. Seriously. He says
that. Snake and the Ninja do battle, while Emmerich hides in the closet. The
Ninja makes Snake use just his hands, for he believes it's foolish to use a
weapon (Hey Ninja, a sword is a weapon, you know?). Snake still manages to
beat the Ninja, who promptly freaks out and cuts up everything in the room.
Snake then comes to the realization that the Ninja is none other than his old
friend and war-buddy Grey Fox. He turns to the Colonel and Naomi for an
explanation, and Naomi reveals that after being killed in Zanzabar Land, Fox
was revived, and fitted with the exoskeleton.

Snake makes Emmerich leave the locker he was hiding in. Like with Baker, we are
once again treated to a series of long and boring scenes, explaining REX and
it's weapons, the PAL cards, and his love of Japanese Anime. From this point,
he is called 'Otacon', which stands for Otaku Convention. He also reveales that
he had sex with his step-mother...wait, that's in the next game...

He goes on to mention nuclear weapons are in his blood, and how much he wants
to build a robot. Suspicious because of what happened to Baker and the DARPA
Chief, Snake asks Otacon if he's okay, and shakes him up a little. Then Otacon
turns on his stealth camouflage, and provides radio backup for Snake for the
rest of the game.

The game moves on, Snake meets Meryl, and fights and defeats Psycho Mantis.
Mantis moves a bookcase blocking a door with his last ounce of strength, so
Meryl and Snake. Before they leave the room, Meryl buggers Snake some more.
Asking him about his name, where he came from, and if there's anyone he likes.

Meryl: Snake...can I ask you something?
Snake: What?
Meryl: I was just wondering...
Snake: What? Whats the problem now?
Meryl: Oh oh nothing...so tell me Snake. Whats your name. Your real name
Snake: A name means nothing on the battlefield. After a week, no one has a
name.
Meryl: How old are you?
Snake: Old enough to know what death looks like
Meryl: Any family?
Snake: No, but I was raised by many people.
Meryl: Is there anybody you like?
Snake: I've never been interested in anyone elses life...
Meryl: So you are all alone. Just like Mantis said...
Snake: Other people just complicate my life! I don't like to get involved
Meryl: Your a sad, lonely man...

Mind your own damn business, you squeaky voiced wench!

Anyways, Snake and Meryl move on through a cavern full of wolf-dogs, and
eventually they reach the communication's towers. However, Snake notices a red
laser on Meryl. Rather than point it out to her immediatly, he takes a moment
to stare at her large behind (One which would make Jill Valentine and Claire
Redfield jealous). Meryl gets shot, and Campbell yells at Snake to get a sniper
rifle to do battle with the sniper, who is obviously Sniper Wolf. Snake back-
tracks and gets a rifle. He is able to defeat Wolf, or so it seems. As he
approaches the towers, three guards and Sniper Wolf ambush him. He is knocked
unconscious, and as the screen fades we hear Liquid's voice...

"Don't kill him yet...I want him alive."


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Snake awakes on a large metallic bed, with his limbs shackled. The bed rotates
and Snake finds himself look straight at the face of Liquid Snake. According
to Liquid, Snake stole was was rightfully his birthright. He always knew they
would meet, and now they finally do. The brother of light...and the brother of
dark. Liquid wants to have some of Snake's DNA taken and used to correct the
Genome Soldiers mutations (mutations? Maybe that's why they're so dumb), but
not to cure them. They can't cure them without Big Boss' DNA. Liquid tells
Snake they both of them are the last surviving sons of Big Boss. Liquid then
ignores Snake and talks to Ocelot and Wolf about the Ninja, but he then leaves
after receiving a call from Raven.

Wolf kisses and rubs against Snake, and Ocelot being the old pervert he is
whistles, laughs, and leans his head in as if asking for a kiss as well. After
Wolf leaves, Snake and Ocelot have a short chat, before Ocelot explains the
device Snake is hooked up to. He also explains the rules of this game they are
playing, and tells Snake not to use auto-fire, or he'll know. There goes the
fourth wall... He runs electricity through Snake's body, saying that if Snake
submits, he'll kill Meryl. Snake manages to resist Ocelot's tortures three
times to save Meryl's life. Snake is dragged to a cell.

Snake find the DARPA Chief's body in his cell, already decaying. But the Chief
died a few hours ago. He wouldn't be decaying that fast...

Snake contacts the Colonel and Naomi and tells them about the Chief's body. We
also learn some stuff about Naomi that I won't address here because it plays no
large part at the moment, and this is a summary. Not a long-ary. Snake also
talks about his friends, Roy Campbell and Frank Jaeger, aka Grey Fox. He goes
on to mention a little about his father, Big Boss. Snake contacts Otacon,
asking him to help him escape. Otacon comes and gives Snake some Ketchup and a
Ration, and asks him not to kill Sniper Wolf because, and get ready for this:

"She likes dogs. She must be a good person."

Yeah. That's what he said. Snake smacks him (I wish), and then escapes using
Ketchup. Snake makes his way back to the communication's tower. He climbs up
the tower, fighting guards along the way. Upon reachin the roof, he is attacked
by Liquid in the Hind-D. Snake rapells down and enters the second communication
tower. He meets Otacon here, then ascends the tower to the roof, where, using
only a Stinger Missile Launcher, he is able to blow up the Hind-D, and Liquid.

Snake climbs back down the tower, and takes the elevator to the bottom floor.
He is ambushed by four guards in stealth camouflage, but he is able to over-
come. He exits the communication's tower and enters a snow field. Here, he is
yet again attacked by Sniper Wolf.

After a grueling sniper battle in the snow, Snake overcomes Wolf, and
approaches where he shot her down. Wolf is lying in the snow, bleeding from a
wound in her chest. She's nearly dead, and uses her remaining energy to speak
to Snake.

Wolf: I...I've......waited for this moment...I am a sniper. Waiting is my
job...Never moving a muscle...concentrating...I am lung-shot. Y...you cannot
save me. Please...Just finish me quick. I am a Kurd. I have always dreamed of
a peaceful place like this...

Snake: A Kurd? So that's why you're called Wolf...

Wolf: I was born on a battlefield. Raised on a battlefield. Gunfire, sirens and
screams...they were my lullabies...Hunted like dogs day after day...driven from
our ragged shelters...That...was my life. Each morning, I'd wake up...and find
and find a few more of my family or friends dead beside me. I'd stare at the
morning sun...and pray to make it through the day. The governments of the world
turned a blind eye to our misery.

Wolf: But then...he appeared. My hero...Saladin...he took me away from all
that...

Snake: Saladin?...You mean Big Boss?

Sniper: I became a sniper...hidden, watching everything through a rifle's
scope. Now I could see war, not from the inside, but from the outside...as an
observer...I watched the brutality...the stupidity of mankind through the
scope of my rifle. I joined this group of revolutionaries...to take my revenge
on the world. But...I have shamed myself and my people. I am no longer the
wolf I was born to be...In the name of vengeance, I sold my body and my soul.
and my soul. Now...I am nothing more than a dog.

Snake: Wolves are noble animals. They're not like dogs. In Yupik, the word for
wolf is "Kegluneq", and the Aleuts revere them as honorable cousins. They call
mercenaries like us "Dogs of War". It's true, we're all for sale at some price
or another. But you're different...untamed...solitary. You're no dog...You're
a wolf.

Wolf: Who...are you?...Are you...Saladin?

Snake: Wolf...you spared Meryl's life.

Wolf: She...She was never my real target... I don't kill for sport.

Snake: Rest easy. You'll die as the proud wolf you are.

Wolf: I finally understand. I wasn't waiting to kill people...I was waiting for
someone to kill me...A man like you...You're a hero. Please...set me free...

Snake points his SOCOM at her head, ready to kill her, but as he does, foot-
steps can be heard coming towards them, and out of nowhere Otacon appears,
turning off his stealth camouflage. Wolf makes one more request, asking for her
rifle. Otacon gives it to her and she hugs it against her chest. Her wolfs
gather around.

Wolf: This gun is part of me...

Wolf: Everyone is here now. Okay hero...set me free...

Otacon turns his back, not able to see his love die. Snake puts the gun back to
her head.

Otacon: Goodbye...Wolf...

Snake pulls the trigger and the gunshot echoes throughout the snow field. Snake
then places her handkerchief, which he received earlier, over her face,
covering the wound. The wolves' howls can be heard in the night sky.

Otacon: Why are you returning it?

Snake: Because I don't have anymore tears to shed...

Otacon begins to sob, but Snake quickly snaps him out of it. Otacon wants to
help Snake, so Snake tells him to find a place to hide and stay in touch. As
Snake walks away, Otacon yells out, "Snake! What was Wolf fighting for? What
are the terrorist's fighting for? Whatare we fighting for?". Snake stops, and
says "If we make it through this, I'll tell you!". Smake walks into the
entrance of the underground base, and Otacon turns on his stealth unit and
runs back to the towers.


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Snake makes his way through the underground base and finds himself in a blast
furnace. Carefully sneaking through there, Snake heads down two freight
elevators. As he does, he receives a CODEC call from Master Miller,
concerning Naomi. Miller believes she's a spy! Apparently, some of the things
she said earlier don't add up. Miller tells Snake this to keep him aware, but
then disappears to find out more.

It's about this time that the elevator convienantly reaches a freezer-esque
area. In this area, Snake fights Vulcan Raven, a giant who runs around carrying
a vulcan cannon. After several minutes of battling, Snake comes out on top. As
Raven leans againt the wall, dying, he tells Snake a secret. That the man he
saw die in the cell was not really the DARPA Chief, it was a member of
FOXHOUND, Decoy Octopus. Snake asks for more information, but that is the end
of Raven's hint. He tells Snake that he'll be watching him, and as Snake walks
away, Raven is devoured by his ravens, not leaving a piece.

Snake moves onward, and finds himself in the Metal Gear hangar. Miller contacts
Snake again, but before Snake can switch the monitor off, Roy hears that it's
about Naomi. Miller tells Roy the dastardly truth, Naomi is most likely a spy,
sent to sabotage the mission. Campbell says he'll have her questioned.

As Snake climbs up, to the top level of the Metal Gear hangar, Otacon contacts
him and tells him a shocker. REX will be using a new kind of nuclear warhead,
that is fired from it's railgun like a projectile. It doesn't use fuel, so it
isn't considered a missile, and it can't be detected on radar. OH NOES.

Snake finds a room, and sees Ocelot and Liquid talking in it. Hiding, he
listens in on their conversation. Apparently, America has given no response to
the demands, so they're going to launch a nuke. Liquid changes the target to
Lopnor, China, because he doesn't want to upset Ocelot and Gurlukovich (it's
their homeland, after all), because nuking a population like they were going to
would end the game. Lopnor is a nuclear test site, so it can still be covered
up. Washington would be worried about the counter-strike, which would mean
some top-secret talks between the nation's leaders, where America would have to
reveal the existence of Metal Gear REX. It would also mean a breach of the
Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty, which would leave America's reputation in ruins,
plus several other nations would contact Liquid and Ocelot, wanting to buy
REX. Launching a nuke at Lopnor will ensure the President gives into their
demands - Big Boss' DNA and 1 billion dollars. Liquid reveals the money will
be used to cure the Genome Soldiers. He also says he's including a FoxDie
vaccine on the list of demands.

"Once we have the money, and Big Boss' DNA, the world will be ours!" Liquid
says. He has no interest in the revival of Mother Russian. He wants to revive
Big Boss' dream. "From today, ...call this place "Outer Heaven".

At this point, Snake is contacted by Otacon. Otacon informs Snake that he
already has the three keys. The one key Snake has changes shape based on
temperature. All he has to do is put it in three times, once at room
temperature, once at freezing, and once at hot. At this, Ocelot sees Snake
holding the PAL card, and he pulls out his revolver and shoots it out of
Snake's hand. The card falls below, into a drainage ditch.

Snake is forced to collect the card, walking through the hazardous waste and
water in the ditch to find it. Once he does, he makes his way back up to the
room. He finds that Ocelot and Liquid are no longer here. He uses the key at
room temperature, then he goes to where he fought Raven to cool it down, then
goes back and uses it at freezing. As he makes his way to the Blast Furnace to
warm the card up, he receives a call from Master Miller. Miller tells him about
FoxDie, an assasination weapon. It's a virus that targets and kills specific
people. It mimics a heart attack, and this is what killed Decoy Octopus and
the ArmsTech President. Naomi was the one behind the project, and the one who
injected into Snake. She put it in with the naomachines.

Snake calls Campbell and asks him what's new Naomi. Campbell reveals that he
had just placed her under arrest because she was sending coded messages to
Shadow Moses. Miller mentions the virus and how one must be around somewhere,
but Snake says all he can do is leave it up to the colonel.

Snake heats the card up in the blast furnace, and heads back to the command
room to input the card and stop the launch. However, as he gets close to the
command room, he receives a call from Naomi.She's using a hidden CODEC. Naomi
admits that she did infect Snake with FoxDie, but it was to get back at him
because he killed her 'big brother' Gray Fox. Gray Fox found her when she was
just a child, dying from starvation. He shared his rations with her, and took
her with him. Solid Snake was the man who took her only family away, and FoxDie
was her way of revenge. Naomi begins to say something else, but she is ambushed
by Campbell and some guards. Campbell tells Snake that he can't let Naomi make
anymore transmissions, she's been taken out of this mission. Snake, enraged,
accuses Roy of double-crossing him, and he demands to know what Naomi said
about FoxDie being part of the operation. Roy ignores this, and tells Snake
he must stop Metal Gear.

Snake heads back to the command room, and enters the key again. However,
instead of disabling the nuke, a computer voice announces that the detonation
code has been activated. As Snake becomes angry, Miller contacts him again.

He thanks Snake, saying nothing can stop Metal Gear now. Miller says that "we"
couldn't learn the DARPA Chief's detonation code, so "they" were not able to
launch. That's when "they" decided to use Snake, stringing him along like a
puppet, until he used the PAL keys, thinking he'd stop the launch.

Roy interrupts, saying that the man Snake is talking to is not Master Miller.
Miller was just discovered in his house, and he's been dead for three days.
Mei-Ling had discovered that "Miller's" CODEC line was coming from inside the
base. Snake asks who it really is, but before Campbell can answer, "Miller"
says in an English voice "Me...dear brother." Liquid tells Snake to come find
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Snake leaves the room, and catches up to Liquid, who is standing next to Metal
Gear's cockpit. Liquid gives a short speech about Snake being just a pawn, and
that he and Snake are twins, linked by curse genes. They were cloned from Big
Boss, during the Les Enfant Terribles project. Solid's fine, he got all the
dominant genes, but Liquid got the flawed recessive genes. Liquid thinks Snake
took away his birthright, Liquid wanted to kill Big Boss. Now, by accomplishing
his dream, Liquid will surpass him, he will destroy him! Liquid jumps into REX
and Metal Gear becomes fully activated.

With his Stinger missile launcher, Snake fires at REX's radome several times.
After several missiles connect with the radome, the large machine shakes, and
comes to a halt. It's still for a few moments, but it regains it's feet and
begins to stomp towards Snake. The foot of REX hoevers over Snake, and just
as it's about to crush him, a figure appears, holding up the foot. Gray Fox,
holding up the staggering weight, tells Snake to run. Snake escapes from under
the foot, and Fox uses the weight to spring himself into the air, where he
does a series of flips and jumps, firing plasma from a cannon on his arm at
REX's radome. He then jumps behind a large crate where Snake is hiding.

"I'm a prisoner of death. Only you can set me free!" Fox says to Snake. He
also tells Snake that he is the one who killed Naomi's parents. He was supposed
to kill her, too, but he couldn't, so he took her with him. He asks Snake to
tell her that he was the one who did it. Suddenly, Liquid finds them. He fires
at them with the machine gun, Fox runs from behind it, drawing Liquid's
attention. Fox, his sword in one hand, a plasma cannon in the other, runs
towards REX. He fires at the radome several times, before jumping into the air.
While he is in the air, Liquid makes REX fire off a laser beam of sorts, and it
cuts off Fox's arm. His arm, and his sword, fall to the ground. Fox lands on a
ledge, and as he is about to shoot, Liquid slams the cockpit of REX into Fox,
pinning him to the wall.

"In the Middle East, we don't hunt foxes, we hunt jackals!" Liquid taunts. With
a burst of energy, Fox raises his arm and fires several plasma blasts at the
radome, yelling out "A cornered fox is more dangerous than a jackal!". He
destroys the radome. Liquid can no longer see, he has to open the cockpit to
see. Fox falls to the ground, weak. "Impressive!" Liquid yells. "You are indeed
worthy of the codename Fox." Liquid makes REX take a step on Fox, and as his
exo-skeleton slowly begins to break, he yells out his final words, talking to
Snake. "Snake...we're not tool's of the government or anyone else. Fighting
was the only thing...the only thing I was good at. But atleast...I always
fought for what I believed in. Snake...farewell..." His exo-skelton is crushed
and the man known as Gray Fox dies.

"You see, Snake!" Liquid taunts. "You can't protect anyone! Not even your
friends!" Filled with anger, Snake raises the Stinger missile launcher and
fires a final missile, straight into REX's cockpit. REX begins to explode, as
Liquid screams. It topples over, slamming into the wall. The explosion knocks
Snake backwards, and just before he loses consciousness, he sees Liquid slowly
walking towards him.


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Snake wakes up on Metal Gear REX. Liquid gives a long ass speech about how they
were cloned (Super Baby Method), the value of a soldier, and Snake's purpose.
To go in depth of all of what he says would take a long time. Snake calls
Campbell, who has been taken out of power by the Secretary of Defense. Two
jets are on their way to Shadow Moses to bomb the place, destroying Metal Gear,
Snake and Liquid, and the Genome Soldiers.

Liquid challenges Snake to a hand-to-hand fight, and steps away from where he
was standing. Snake sees Meryl, and Liquid tells him that she is alive. If
Snake can beat Liquid, he and Meryl could attempt to get out in time. Liquid
unties Snake. He says only Snake's death can satisfy him now.

The two brothers battle. In a purely hand-to-hand fight, they assault each on
top of Metal Gear REX. The way they fight is almost artistic, as if they both
know what the other will do, perhaps a bond they share as brothers. But in the
end, Snake manages to overcome Liquid, and knock him off REX, to the abyss
below.

Snake unties Meryl as she awakens. She says that she didn't submit to the
torture, that knowing that Snake didn't submit gave her strength, despite her
fears. Fighting it like he did made her feel closer to Snake. The single hope
she had through the torture, the pain, was that she would see Snake again.

Snake and Meryl carefully climb down REX. Snake contacts Otacon to let him
know that Meryl is okay. He also informs Otacon that the complex is going to
be bombed, and they have to evacuate. Otacon informs Snake that he staying.
He's the only one who can take care of security to make sure Snake and Meryl
make it out all right. Otacon says he's a complete person now. He doesn't have
to worry about his past anymore. Snake thanks Otacon, who seems flattered.

Snake and Meryl escape the hangar as a chunk of metal collapses in front of
the door. They enter a parking garage.


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Soldiers ambush Snake and Meryl in the parking garage. Snake holds them off
while Meryl starts up a jeep. Snake climbs aboard gets behind a gun turret.
They drive through a tunnel, Snake gunning enemies out of the way as they go.
As they are getting closer to the exit, an English voice calls out. Liquid
drives up behind them, shooting at Snake and Meryl. Snake returns fire, but
as the two jeeps reach the exit, Liquid swerves his vehicle in front of
theirs'. They crash. Snake and Meryl's is upside down, but they manage to make
it to their feet. Liquid's is tipped over, and as Snake begins walking towards
it, Liquid comes out from behind it. He has cuts all over, and his left eye is
bleeding severly.

He walks towards Snake, and points the gun at him. As he's about to pull the
pull the trigger, he feels it. "Fox..." he yells out, trailing off, but Snake
finishes, "Die." Liquid convulses mildly before collapsing. He is dead. As
Snake and Meryl begin to walk away, they notice that the air raid hasn't begun.

Campbell calls him by CODEC, and tells Snake that the Secretary of Defense has
been arrested. The air raid was cancelled by the President himself, and
Campbell was reinstated control of the mission. Campbell is overjoyed when he
hears that Meryl is okay, and he also apologizes to Snake for keeping so many
secrets from him. Campbell tells Snake that Mei-Ling found a snowmobile nearby,
with satellite photos. It should be good for Snake and Meryl to escape with.
Snake asks Campbell to get Otacon out of there, and he also asks to speak to
Naomi.

Naomi: Snake, it's me...

Snake: Naomi...

Naomi: I heard...about my brother...

Snake: I'm sorry... but he had one last message he wanted to say to you.
He told me to tell you to forget about him and to go on with your
own life.

Naomi: Frankie said that?

Snake: Yeah. He also said he'll always love you... Naomi, your brother
just saved you, me and the whole world. He fought with every ounce
of strength in his body.

Naomi: Maybe... maybe now he's finally found some peace. He wasn't really
my brother anymore... Ever since he fought with you in Zanzibar
he's been like a ghost. A ghost looking for a place to die...

Snake: Naomi, Liquid died from Fox Die too. What about me? When am I
gonna go?

Naomi: That's up to you.

Snake: What do you mean?

Naomi: Everybody dies when their time's up...

Snake: Yeah, so when's mine up?

Naomi: It's up to you how you use the time left to you. Live, Snake.
That's all I can say to you.

Snake: ..........

Naomi: Each person is born with their fate written into their own genetic
code... it's unchangeable, immutable... But that's not all there
is to life. I finally realized that. I told you before. The reason
that I was interested in genes and DNA. Because I wanted to know
who I was... where I came from. I thought that if I analyzed my
DNA I could find out who I was, who my parents were. And I thought
that if I knew that, then I'd know what path I should take in life.

But I was wrong. I didn't find anything. I didn't learn anything.
Just like with the Genome Soldiers... you can input all the genetic
information, but that doesn't make them into the strongest
soldiers. The most we can say about DNA is that it governs a
person's potential strengths... potential destiny. You mustn't
allow yourself to be chained to fate... to be ruled by your genes.
Humans can choose the type of life they want to live.

Snake, whether or not you've been programmed or not isn't
important. The important thing is that you choose life... And then
live! Don't you think, Snake?

Don't worry. I'm going to choose life too. Until today, I've
always looked for a reason to live. But from here on, I'm going to
just live.

Genes exist to pass down our hopes and dreams for the future
through our children. Living is a link to what will come. All life
is tethered to the future. Loving each other, teaching each new
generation... then the world can change. I finally realized it.
The true meaning of life... Thank you, Snake.

Snake and Meryl walk down the hill, and find the snowmobile. Meryl hands
Snake a bandanna, one she found. Snake says to keep it as a reminder. A
reminder of how to live. Now, he wants to live with someone else. Snake places
his hand on Meryl's leg. "Someone like you." he says. Meryl asks Snake where
they're going next.

"David. My name is David..." Snake tells her. She changes her question,
asking Dave where they're going next. He says they're going to look for a new
path in life. And that he knows they'll find it.

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We see Alaskan wildlife. Wolves and bears, and a viewpoint of someone on a dog-
sled. Naomi voices over this part.

Naomi: You mustn’t allowed yourself to be chained to fate... to be ruled
by our genes. Humans can choose the type of life they want to live.
The important thing is that you choose life... And then... live!

Somewhere, Ocelot is talking on the phone...

Ocelot: Yes sir. The entire unit was wiped out. Those two are still alive.
The vector? Yes sir, FoxDie should become activated soon... Right
on schedule.

Yes, sir. I recovered all of Rex's dummy warhead data. ...No, sir.
My cover is intact. Nobody knows who I really am. Yes, the DARPA
Chief knew my identity, but he's been disposed of.

Yes. The inferior one was the winner after all. ...That's right.
Until the very end, Liquid thought he was the inferior one. Yes,
sir. I agree completely. It takes a well-balanced individual...
such as yourself to rule the world. No, sir. No one knows that
you were the third one... Solidus. ...What should I do about the
woman? Yes sir. I'll keep her under surveillance.

Yes. Thank you. Good-bye. Mr. President.

DUNDUNDUN DUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN


And here's MGS2: SOL summary:

Spoiler:


A Summary by Turducken (Justin Olsen)

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"Our boy is right on schedule"
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It begins with Snake explaining about a new type of Metal Gear that had come to
his attention. He didn’t trust the intel so much, but it was all they had.

A man walks along the George Washington bridge. He suddenly breaks into a run
and disappears. And we see his distorted image leap off, a bungee cord
attached.

It, of course, is Solid Snake.

He touches down on the tanker, his stealth camo shorting out moments later. He
contacts Otacon, and they discuss how this MG is an amphibious Metal Gear
designed to destroy all other kinds, and it's under Marine jurisdiction. Snake
is to head to the bridge, learn the ship’s destination, then make his way to
the holds and take pictures of this Gear.

Snake is armed with a tranq gun, as the tanker is staffed by U.S. Marines; they
don’t want to kill anyone.

But the Russians do! Damned dirty apes...er, Russians! Snake picks up the sound
of a chopper, and sees EVIL RUSSIANS murdering the Marines like they were
little punkass crabs.

Well, that sucks!

Snake spies a Russian putting on a SILLY HAT and takes a pic to send to Otacon
for a later ID. His mission still has to be completed, even with the increased
threat. Snake sneaks inside.

(Check out Snake’s ass-crack revealing suit!)

Encountering a camera, Otacon tells Snake how to watch our for them. Well,
GAAAHHH-LEE Otacon! Thanks a bunch for explaining how not to get seen by the
camera to Solid Snake, superspy guy! (He does the same thing with the laser-
beams, too. Yeesh!)


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Upon reaching the bridge, Snake contacts Otacon again. The crew is, of course,
dead. The ship is heading to the middle of the Atlantic, for combat testing.

A noise interrupts them. A Russian. Outside. Snake goes out to get the drop on
him, but it turns out to be a her. Snake tries to hold her up, but a scout
knife with a surprise nearly hits him. He dodges the shot, and a battle ensues.

With only a tranq gun, Snake perseveres, knocking out the woman. He takes her
USP. A strange flying machine, a cypher, spots him.

Otacon tells Snake who the man from earlier was. The one they were trying to
get an ID on. Sergei Gurlukovich. One of Ocelot’s allies. He and Ocelot are
after the Metal Gear prototype.

Otacon reveals to Snake that he didn’t find out this information, the intel
about the Gear, on his own. He’d received a tip from someone with the initials
E.E. The same initials as Otacon’s step-sister, and her nickname as well. But
he hadn’t seen her in 10 years.

Time to head down to the holds.


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Everyone Loves Metal Gear RAY
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In the ship’s engine room, on route to the holds, Snake is shocked to find the
shadow of Vulcan Raven, but it just turns out to be...a...Vulcan Raven...action
figure. Yeah, I dunno either.

As he neared the holds, guards poured forth. They were not aware of his
presence, but were nearing his position. He had to shoot first. A grueling
firefight began, but Snake overcame them.

A guard starts to pursue Snake, but Ocelot comes and KILLS him. He apparently
means to kill Gurlukovich as well. (Hey, Ocelot has his hand back! Well, not
HIS!)

The Marines in the holds were still alive, oblivious to the Russians on board.
Time to play shuttersnake. But Otacon lets him know someone is listening in on
their transmissions. Not cool.

With roughly 7 minutes until the Commandant finishes his speech, Snake
stealthily reaches this new Gear - Metal Gear RAY. He takes the photos as
required: front, left, right, and a shot of the Marines logo.

The machine he uses to transmit the photos was given a roundabout complicated
explanation of how to do so, ending with more or less "press the action
button." Note that Snake did not question what the blue hell ole Hal was
blabbering about. "Action button?!" he should have barked. But noooo! The
photos are graciously accepted by a character that is only second to Roy
Campbell in awesomosity.

Sprite-acon, As I call him! He’s little! Aw, he’s so cute too! Aw!

So Snake has done this, and Dolph wraps up his little pep talk. But what’s
this? "Gift of the silver tongue," says our old buddy Ocelot. He’s up to
hijinx! HIJINX, I SEZ!!

The Marines get ready to blast him to smithereens, but ole Ocelot ain’t none
too worried, cuz he has his own goon squad. Gurlukovich pops up behind Dolph
and puts a gun to his head while a veritable buttload of Russian commados (the
same ones Snake trounces with ease throughout the Tanker) spring out.

Ocelot also has a trump card. Lots of explosives. Enough to sink the ship
easily. After Dolph inquires what they plan to do with RAY, Sergei rants
about his unhappy childhood and how America sucks.

Ocelot takes this chance to basically tell his buddy Sergei about his case of
CBD. The Patriots come first.

"The La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo?!" chokes Dolph.

Sergei, certain Ocelot is in league with an enigmatic Solidus, shouts
"Damn you!" (the accent, see) and tries to pop him. Ocelot is faster, dropping
both Dolph and Sergei in a second. Then he blasts the crap out of some of the
Russians.

The Marines, being trained Marines, stand around like morons and watch as
Ocelot then sadistically detonates the explosives. About half of everyone runs
like hell to escape. The other half attack Ocelot. They ALL miss. They’re
Marines, and they all miss. But it’s not their fault!

Snake pursues, and Ocelot FREAKS THE HELL OUT. His arm goes snazzy and he
becomes...Liquid Snake?! Uh, all...right... Ocelot tries to fight the Liquid
possession from his mind, but cannot. Liquid criticizes about how horrible he's
aged, and comments:

"A few more years, and you'll be another dead clone of the old man. Our raw
materials are vintage, brother! Big Boss was in his late fifties when they
created his copies!"

OceLiquid makes a jump into RAY that would make a Power Ranger envious. The
Marines are helpless against RAY and Snake is also overcome. From the cockpit
of RAY, Liquid taunts Snake;

"You don't have what it takes after all! You're going down, Snake, with this
tanker!"

Liquid then uses RAY to blow a hole in the wall of the hold, which takes down
Snake, and gives Liquid a quick escape. Snake, still alive, does his best to
get out, and manages to swim to the surfce of the water. However, RAY, which
made it above water and is standing on the remains of the tanker, leaps into
the air, and jumps back into the water. The tidal wave RAY caused crashes into
Snake, submerging him again. As the screen fades, we hear Otacon scream into
the night.

"SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE!!!!"


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"Did you say nerd?"
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2 years have passed since the Tanker incident occurred. Its sinking caused the
construction of the...construct...that an operative heads to. We do not know
who this fellow is, but he is referred to as Snake.

But it can’t be Snake...can it? He died...2 years ago...on that tanker...

No, it can’t be. He doesn’t sound like our Snake. His body is more lithe.
Someone else...

Our hero, ROY CAMPBELL, informs this Snake what’s going on. Special Unit Dead
Cell is working with those same naughty Russians from before. They have taken
control of the Big Shell, which is really bad, because the President of the
United States was there at the time.

Oops.

This Snake finds an opening already made in the fence. Another infiltrator?
While he makes his underwater entrance, SEALs are rappelling in via chopper.
They are clueless about this new Snake’s arrival, and are attempting to save
the Prez themselves. Being canno-fodder video game non-playable characters, we
all know they will fail. And hard.

About 5 seconds after the new Snake surfaces, Roy decides to up and change his
codename. Now he’s Raiden, and he will be forever hated (unjustly) by a large
portion of stupid Metal Gear fanboys. Also, his skull suit shows off his very
eye-catching ass crack.

Making his way to the elevator, Raiden is shocked to find every guard in the
elevator has been clobbered. And it seems the attacker is going up the
elevator. Though the assailant has his back turned to Raiden, Raiden still
manages to see a bandanna, ass crack tight sneaking suit, and some combat
boots. Hmm, wonder who it is? It may be obvious to you, but not to Raiden, and
he has no time to think about it, either. He must continue the mission.
After Raiden accesses the node (not nerd, node) the guards begin to wake up.

They don’t prove to be much of a problem for Raiden either, and he hops on the
elevator soon after. He now has to deal with his meddlesome girlfriend, Rose,
who is oddly involved in the operation as it’s data analyst.

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Knife To Meet You
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A shocking piece of info is revealed to Raiden through Roy. The leader of these
enemies is none other than Solid Snake! But he can't be the real Solid Snake.
The real Solid Snake died two years ago, on that tanker when he blew it sky-
high.

Raiden is told to head to Strut B, while he's currently on A. Apparently, the
President is on Strut B, and Raiden must save him. B, being the next letter
after A, is logically a nearby strut. He must "USE THE HANGING MODE!" to reach
it. He doesn’t have to, but Roy tells him too, and since we lovez Roy so much,
we do it anyway.

Creeping about Strut B, Raiden is not seeing a good sight. Blood...lots of
blood. And screams. And gunshots. Then...silence.

Raiden bravely enters this room where the sounds of countless SEAL deaths
emanated from. He spots the attacker and murderer of the SEALs drinking the
blood of a SEAL, but Raiden doesn't have any lethal weapons to take the thing
on with. The agile knife-wielder springs over Raiden, behind him. The boy has
no idea of the danger behind him...

But he’s rescued by another SEAL. This man fires on the ‘vamp’ moments before
he would have killed Raiden, without Raiden even knowing what happened. As it
stands, the knife man is now springing about again, so the SEAL loses track of
him.

Until Knifey McKnifington hops down and disarms him, and slams him against a
wall. Golly, that SEAL’s voice sounds fer-mill-yer...

Raiden grabs the SEAL’s weapon and opens fire to no avail, but at least he
returned the life-saving favor. As the man is about to make short work of both
Raiden and this remaining SEAL, a radio transmission stops him from doing so.
Evidentally, the attackers name is Vamp, and he has something important to tell
this "queen" about your new SEAL buddy. Vamp flees, and leaves Raiden and the
SEAL there.

The man introduces himself as Pliskin, and gives Raiden a SOCOM. Finally, a
real weapon! Woohoo! They chat a bit and it is time to go. But Pliskin is weak
from blood loss, so he needs a few more moments to regain himself.

But a few things were suspicious about this Pliskin fellow. He knew of
FoxHound, nanomachines and he had a sea louse crawl off of him. Hm...

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After exiting Strut B on his way to Strut C, Raiden is greeted to the sight of
Fortune (she was the "queen" Vamp was talking to) killing a bunch of SEAL guys.
The President is on the ground at her side, and Vamp comes appears and takes
the President inside, Fortune soon follows. Raiden continues, solo, to Strut
C, where he encounters Peter Stillman, bomb disposal guy. But not just any bomb
disposal guy, kid, this is THE bomb disposal guy. Pliskin appears, and Raiden
and Pliskin are told about the situation. Apparently, Dead Cell member Fatman,
who was once Stillman's apprentice of sorts, has placed bombs all over the Big
Shell. Stillman gives Pliskin and Raiden a sensor and some freezy spray, and
briefs them on how to disarm the bombs. Pliskin and Raiden split up, Pliskin
taking care of the Struts on Shell 2, and Raiden taking care of the struts on
Shell 1.

During this bomb disarming mission, Pliskin gives Raiden a rousing speech on
the importance of the cardboard box. It indeed seems, unlike the Genome
Soldiers from MGS1 thought, it is not "just a box".

Pliskin explains very thoroughly:

Pliskin: The cardboard box that you have is ideal for fooling your enemies.
It's a very important tool for infiltration missions. Of course. I
can't begin to count the number of agents whose lives were saved by
a cardboard box... Look. I'm not exaggerating when I say the
success of your mission hinges on how you use that cardboard box.
But in the end, a cardboard box is only made of paper. Handle it
with care or it won't be of much use to you.

In the face of Raiden's confusing over that speech, Pliskin adds:

"Y'know... I've lost a couple thanks to you...Nothing...forget it."

He then continues on, stating:

Pliskin: Treat your cardboard box with care. Take care of the box and it'll
take care of you...Don't think of it as just another box. Treat it
with love...Don't be rough. Okay?"

That...was...bee-you-tee-ful.

Once Raiden freezes the last bomb on Shell 1, he finds out that he needs to
get a new sensor to find a new kind of bomb. Raiden recovers the sensor, and
heads back down to his starting point of the mission and disarms the final
bomb there. However, on the way, Stillman is killed, Pliskin is knocked out,
and most of Shell 2 is destroyed, due to a trap Fatman set with his bombs.

After disarming the final bomb, Raiden heads back to the elevator, to continue
on his mission. However, Fortune attacks him. Fortune is cursed with the
ability to never die, so Raiden's weapons have no effect. He has to resort to
running around, dodging the blasts from her rail gun, as well as the debris
that it hits. Eventually, Raiden is told by Campbell that Fatman is requesting
Raiden should meet him. Raiden needs to get out of there and meet with Fatman!
Fortunately, right after the conversation, Vamp comes down the elevator, saying
he'll take care of Raiden. Raiden fires some shots at Fortune, but two of them
deflect off of her and hit Vamp in the head and stomach. As Fortune cries over
her dead friend, Raiden gets in the elevator and heads to the heliport.
However, Vamp is still alive. How you ask? Vamp answers that for you. "I
already died once. I cannot die twice."

Upon reaching the Heliport, Raiden has to disarm yet another frikkin' bomb.
After doing that, our semi-accented friend Fatman makes his appearance. Fatboy
here doesn't really care about the main plan of Dead Cell. He just likes to
blow things up. The battle starts, and Raiden has to track down and fight
Fatman (who is on rollerblades) as well as disarm bombs placed on the Heliport.
Eventually, the fat guy goes down, and Raiden has to freeze the last bomb,
which is inconspicuously placed under his fat ass. Freezeyness happens. And
away we go.

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On his way down, Raiden is attacked by a NINJA!!! Well, not attacked, but it is
a Ninja. Gray Fox? Nah, he’s REX’s foot paste. But then who? Dunno, dude. This
ninja gives Raiden a soldier uniform for a disguise, a card key, and a rather
useless cellphone. Raiden orders a pizza with it straightaway.

Raiden is now to infiltrate the Shell 1 core with the outfit, find Richard Ames
(who has a pacemaker) and secure him. Ames knows where the Prez is. After more
nagging from Rose and Roy (why Roy, why?), Raiden is off again.

He dons the garb, enters the core, gets a directional mic (to hear Ames’
pacemaker) and fools the stupid guards. He finds Ames! Ames then explains the
Prez is safe. But Raiden also listens in on a chat going on between the man
claiming to be Snake, Ocelot, and Olga (no, not a man claiming to be all 3, you
fool!).

Olga and Ocelot begin arguing and it elevates to a near-shootout, but Snake
calms them down. Raiden also takes a moment to point his directional mic to the
restroom facilities West of where these three villains are talking. Apparently,
poor Johnny Sasaki still has that diarrhea. Afterwards, Ocelot comes out and
approaches Raiden! Don’t let your cover be blown, kid!

But it is...and Ocelot is about to whack the kid. Ames died of a "heart attack"
moments ago. Will Raiden die as well? No! Cuz that NINJA saves his bacon! In a
scene very reminiscent of MGS1, the Ninja drops from the ceiling, and attempts
to cut off Ocelot's arm. "You, but you died?!" Ocelot screams. With the Ninja
distracting Ocelot and the guards, Raiden manages to make his escape of the
hostage room. Now, Raiden, sans BDU hood gets the hell outta there! Run,
laddie!

With Shell 1 completely explored, the Prez must be on 2. So with guards on his
ass, he makes his way there.

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Raiden reaches the Shells 1 and 2 connecting bridge, but before crossing, he
has to disarm C4 strategically placed on the bridge. After doing so, he is
informed by Pliskin that he (Pliskin) and his buddy "Otacon" have a chopper
now, so they can save the hostages and the Prez. Hooray! But before they can
continue, the terroist leader, Solid Snake, appears! Boo!

Raiden: So you're the boss around here?

Terroist Leader: No, not just around here. I'm the boss to surpass Big Boss
himself! Solid Snake!

Pliskin: No! That is not Solid Snake!

Snake: What a pleasant surprise, brother.

Pliskin: Save it, you're no brother of mine.

Snake: Don't say you've forgotten me, Snake.

Pliskin opens fire on Snake, one of his bullets hitting the C4 strapped to the
connecting bridge. Snake is protected, however, due to his full-body
exoskeleton. "I'm a whole different game from Liquid" Snake shouts, before
showing what his suit can do. Snake's muscles grow inside the exoskeleton.
Around this time, it's revealed that this older-looking Snake is actually
Solidus Snake.

Solidus hops into a jet piloted by Vamp, and Pliskin...Aw screw it. You already
know by now. Solid Snake throws Raiden a Stinger Missile launcher, and Raiden
uses it to stop that harrier. Unfortunately, Metal Gear RAY leaps from deep
underneath the ocean, and saves the jet before it falls. Afterwards, Pliskin
reveals to Raiden that he is in fact THE Solid Snake (so obvious...). Otacon
tagged along to save his sister (E.E, remember?) and help Snake. Now to save
them all! But...Snake and Otty gotta fix their chopper. Raiden must go solo
again.

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At least he’s not Dubya
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Boom, Raiden has to traverse the dilapidated connecting bridge, get inside
Shell 2 core, and find the Prez. He does, but the jerk’s holed up behind an
electrical floor! Raiden must collect a Nikita Missile Launcher, after
listening to Olga drone on and on to Solidus over the radio. Raiden eventually
takes out the circuit box so he can cross the electrical floor.

Once they meet up, Johnson grabs Raiden’s crotch. Well, I never! My stars!
Then, Johnson explains to Raiden a little somethin' about politics. Namely,
the people who control it. The Patriots. Johnson says he is just a figurehead,
then goes into more detail on them. Basically, Johnson says this about them:

The real power lies in the Patriots hands. The government is just a
stage play. Who are they? Even I don't know. My orders come from a cutout.
All I've heard is that every key decision is made by a group of 12 men
known as the Wisemen's Committee.

He also goes on to talk about Solidus Snake.

Johnson: My predecessor... George Sears. That was the name the public came
to know him by. But I knew him by his codename, "Solidus Snake."
He was the third Snake, preceded by Solid and Liquid... a
survivor of the Les Enfants Terrible project. Neither Solid nor
Liquid, he was a well-balanced masterpiece that the Patriots saw
fit to entrust with the Presidency. However, he fell out of grace
with the organization four years ago when, acting on his own, he
started an incident.

So it seems, despite his ruggity-old good looks, Solidus is actually the
younger of the three. Johnson goes on to say this about the "incident" (Shadow
Moses):

Johnson: Yes, that's right. At the time, the DARPA Chief, Donald Anderson,
together with certain influential parties, initiated the
development of Metal Gear REX and an advanced nuclear warhead.

However, this did not fall in line with the Patriots' plans.
What's more, Solidus decided on his own to send his most trusted
man, Ocelot, to provoke Liquid Snake, bringing about the said
incident. As a result, he succeeded in obtaining REX and the
data on the warhead. But in doing so, he ended up revealing the
existence... of both REX and the Genome army, a blunder that
earned him the wrath of the Patriots. Shortly thereafter, Solidus
was removed from the Presidential Office.

He also goes on to mention that with the help of Ocelot, Solidus was able to
go into hiding underground. During that time, The Patriots selected their new
pawn, James Johnson. It's also revealed that Metal Gear REX, the one Raiden
saw moments ago, is NOT the new Metal Gear project. The new Metal Gear project
in the Big Shell. More specifically, the upper structure of the Big Shell is
simply a camouflage design for the massive main structure that is Arsenal Gear.
How massive is it, you ask? It goes all the way to the ocean floor. DAYUM.
Even more, Arsenal is loaded with a payload of missiles, including nuclear
warheads, and it's protected by a horde of mass-produced Metal Gear RAY units.
Double DAYUM. Sounds like a bitchin' weapon, right?

Johnson: Weapon? No. You're not seeing the full picture.

Basically, Johnson says this about Arsenal's true purpose and it's AI, GW:

The Patriots fear the flow of digital information. GW is the key to their
supremacy. It will give them a new power to wield in the next century. It
will control the digital age, and it has full access to the US military
network. Arsenal Gear is a veritable fortress, protected by mass produced
Ray units. Once GW is successfully integrated, it will be the very heart of
our country.

Unlike Johnson, who wanted to use GW was a bargaining tool, Solidus wanted to
cause a rebellion. Outer Heaven - his plan to unleash a nuclear blast over the
skies of Wall Street, to break the Patriots control over the business
community - would also be a key factor is his offensive effort.

Finally, Johnson tells Raiden that he must find Emma Emmerich and put a virus
into GW. The virus is meant to disrupt the controls of GW and Arsenal Gear. It
should also be noted that this virus is basically a digital version of FoxDie.
He then tells Raiden to kill him. Raiden refuses, but Johnson brings Raiden's
gun to his chest, insisting on it. Out of nowhere, a shot hits the President,
and he falls dead. Raiden turns to see Revolver Ocelot holster his gun.

Ocelot: That's abusing your right to free speech, Mr. President...

Or is it Ex-President?

Raiden asks why he killed him, which Ocelots responds to with:

"Alas, my finger must have slipped."

Before leaving, he adds in:

"I'll see you around, carrier boy."

WAITAMINUTE, the Prez ain't dead! He grabs onto Raiden's leg with his last bit
of strength and says:

"Forget him. He did us a favor. Without freedom, there is no
difference between submission and rebellion. My only real choice
is to put a end to this charade. Let me at least have the freedom
to end it myself..."

Lot of text, eh? And that's summarized. Sitting through it is hell.

Anyway, Raiden’s gotta go save Emma Emmerich to shut down Arsenal’s AI. Blah,
down we go.

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And the Emma goes to...
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The basement is flooded. Raiden has to swim through to reach Emma’s location.
Finding Stillman’s bloated corpse on the way, he continues. Vamp tries to stop
him, but gets his ass kicked. Raiden moves along, find Emma, and listens to her
whine about not wanting to swim. He finally convinces her to at least strangle
him and he’ll swim her back.

The pain in the a...er, I mean, lovely young lady is scared of bugs, so she
refuses to go past the lot in front of the elevator. So, Raiden, being the
gentleman that he has, puts her in The Super Pimp Strangehold and drags her
uncooperative butt in there (okay, it's more likely he officially sprayed the
bugs, but hey, a guy can dream, can't he?).

On the way out, the duo discovers conveniently built planks and wires on the
bridge. Which is awfully nice, since the damn thing fell apart when Jackie boy
came across it before. But now you can't knock Emma down to a watery grave.
Poo. Unfortunately, there are still a few guard milling here and there, easily
disposed of by He Of Buttcrack-Revealing Suit. Seems if the Odd Couple can
make it to Shell 1 again (which they have to, to upload Emma's Virus in the
compy room), they won't have very much resistance there. Nearly everyone over
there is aboard Arsenal, according to Snake.

A Level 5 door bars their further progress. A door Raiden can’t open. He
doesn't have a 5 Card. But she does! Yay! So Emma gets to dillude herself into
thinking that she's not entirely useless for about a millisecond.

Whee! Zoom! Down the really, really tall ladder! Now to snipe and cover her as
she heads across the oil bridge, with Snake helping! Wagawoo!

All seems to be going well. Gun Cyphers, inept moron Russians, and Johnny are
no match for a Raiden/Snake superteam. However, the next guy to pop up and
cause trouble was no grunt.

Vamp sprang out, bam, just like that, knife at Emma's throat. But they need
her alive. Not only is ole Emma Otacon's stepsis, she is the only one that can
take down GW, Arsenal Gear's AI program (so yeah, a Level 5 Card isn't the
only thing she's good for, I admit).

Anyway, for reasons unknown, Snake ain't too much help in this boss fight. If
you ask me, he's too entranced by Vamp's manly pecs to make move, so Raiden
takes down the wizard with knives, as we see.

But, as Vamp is flying backwards with a hearty "BLURRAAGHH!!!" he guts Emma
like a fish. A fish...that can't swim, and has to chokehold flaxen-haired
pretty-boys while they do so.

WIth Vamp and his hypontizing pecs out of the way, Snake steals Raiden's
credit, rushing to get Emma and taking out a few Cyphers in the way. Off he
drags the bloody lass to the comp room, while Jack follows.

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Blood and Betrayal
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It's true. Poor E.E. is screwed, as Raiden is informed. All they can do is
stanch the bleeding, and hope it gives her enough time to disable GW. But she
will not survive this day.

Raiden rushed to the computer room in the Shell 1 Core like a bat out of hell,
but by the time he reaches the room, Emma is moments from death. Otacon holds
her, Snake does that Snake-looking-glum thing he does.

Luckily, she managed to get the whole Operation Poop On Arsenal set up, where
all that needs to be done is for Jack to insert the disc he holds. He does so.
However, it isn't fully effective. Not 100%, but 90. Hopefully, that would be
enough.

Emma laments that she cares not to add onto the Emmerich's bad scientific
history, so she's glad that the virus was successful (the boys told her it was
totally so, rather than 90%). She asks Hal to call her Emma, instead of E.E.
as he always had. He doesn't know why. They have a few words, and then she
passes away, leaving a sobbing Hal, an unintentionally cruel parrot (it keeps
sqwauking "Hal! I miss you!" That's gotta hurt), and Snake and Raiden looking
on.

Arsenal's getting ready to launch. They're just about out of time. Otacon will
evac the hostages in the reapired chopper while Raiden and Snake go kick bad
guy ass. Otacon whines about how he's an encumbrance, but Snake sets him right.

Saving the hostages is his job, and it's very important. Spirit bolstered, Hal
joined Snake in a Super Cool Handshake And Hug Combo Of Friendship And Unity!

So off Hal goes, and Snake and Raiden get ready. Making a little bit of small
talk, Raiden wonders how they'll infiltrate Arsenal. Snake has the answer, in
the form of a until-now-stealth-camoed Ninja.

Snake has been working with the Ninja? It did help Raiden out a few times
before. Jack be confused, yo, and asks what the dilly-o be...dawg. Alright,
enough of that.

Raiden accuses Snake of switching sides, to which he hears a smug, "I don't
recall ever saying I was on yours." (Wrong, really. Earlier in the game, as
Pliskin, Snake specifically said he was on Raiden's side. He's a liar! Burn
'im!). The Ninja decides to show...HERself. It's Olga!

Anyway, Snake tells Raiden nighty-night. But as Raiden makes a move to attack,
he's got an HF Blade at his neck. Not good!

Down he goes...

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Did They Really Have To Take His Clothes?!
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Hmm...this looks familiar. Where have we seen this before? Of course! It's
just like the Shocky Machine Snake got fried at in MGS1. And I mean JUST LIKE
it. Fah-ree-kay.

What's goin' on he'ah?!

Raiden can hear Solidus and Ocelot chatting. There's a bad combination. Oddly,
Solidus insists he knows Raiden. In order to get a good look at the lad, he
uses one of his new tentacle-dealies to strangle Jack.

Solidus explains things. Raiden was a child soldier, called things like Jack
the Ripper, the White Devil. He was part of third-world country civil wars in
the 80's.

Ocelot and Solidus talk some more, about their plans, and what to do with Jack.
Apparently, he's rather inconsequential and they'll go on as if he didn't
exist.

Of course, Ocelot is happy about getting the disc from Raiden, and was so
happy, he wanted to see what else he was hiding. So he took all Jack's clothes!
Gah!

Olga enters, and shortly after she and Jack are alone. Over CODEC (jeez, does
everyone have one?!) she explains she's there to aid him. The Patriots have her
baby, and she has to help Raiden, lest baby go splat.

But why would the Pats wanna help Raiden? Hmm...

She continues, telling that Snake saved her from the Tanker and she is
grateful. In the end, her babies' life is solely dependant on Jack's success.
She also briefly mentions the S3 program, but I shan't delve into it.

The plan is as follows. Olga will release Raiden, and then he is to forage on
ahead and rendezvous with Snake, who has all Jack's gear. And his clothes too.
Who stripped Jack then?! Was it Ocelot? Or...Snake?

So, to prove to the watchful camera she doesn't like him, she punches Raiden
in...the gut? The nads? Not sure. He actually loses some life from his life
bar, though, so I think nads!

Not long after, the restraints pop off, and Raiden streaks to freedom!

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There's Something About Roy
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"Raiden, you must continue the m-mission!!"

"Uh, yeah, okay..." Well, that's not what ole Jackie boy says, but he should
have. Something's going on. Something very not normal.

Not only is he traveling in a strange new land that is Arsenal Gear, with its
rectum just waiting to be explored by Raiden and friends, but there are crazy
ninja-guards around, affectionally referred to as the TENGU!!

Seeing this new opposition, Raiden makes the wise choice of limiting his
combat options even more. He has no weapons or equipment, but rather than AT
LEAST having his full hand-to-hand moveset and ability to hang, he'd rather
cover his wang.

Hey, that rhymed. Am I a poet who didn't know it? Okay, fine, moving on.

There are also RAYs like, everywhere. Fortunately, there's no one in them, and
they're not a threat. For now. Raiden speaks with Roy, who's still acting a
little odd. This brings Jack to ask (more like accuse) Roy if he's working for
the Patriots. The shifty Colonel dodges the question and orders Raiden to kill
Solidus, the terrorists, and retrieve Arsenal Gear.

It's then that Jack realizes something. He's never ever met Roy in person
Telling him about this, he hears a harsh, barking response, "We have Rosemary!
Over abd out!"

Raiden's having a bad day, and it just got a LOT worse.

Roy's gone mad with syphillis, it would seem. He continues to pester Jack as
the young man makes his way to Snake's location, and wackyness ensues!!

"This is a type of role playing game."

"Raiden turn the game console off right now!"

"Actually, there is something I have been meaning to tell you but I just
couldn't... I think you should know, though. On Saturday morning last week I
saw a guy leaving Rosemary's room...How should I put it, it was like they
were...'intimate.' I'm sorry. Sorry to bring this up during the mission,
but..."

"Variety Level 7 Shoot down the space invaders! Training will have to be
postponed if we are invaded by UFOs."

"Listen, you haven't reported in for a long time until now. You think you can
just CALL only when you want something? You disappoint me."

"I was a North American Fall Webworm in my past life. Those were the good old
days... What were you in your former life?"

"I hear it's amazing when the famous purple stuffed worm, in flap-jaw space,
with the tuning fork, does a raw blink on Hiri-Kiri rock! I need scissors 61!"

"La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo! La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo! La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo!"

"...Infiltrate...the enemy fortress...Outer Heaven!
...Destroy...the final weapon...Metal Gear!"

"Kawanishi-Noseguchi, Kinunobebashi, Takiyama, Uguisunomori, Tsuzumigataki,
Tada, Hirano, Ichinotorii, Uneno, Yamashita, Sasabe, Kofudai, Tokiwadai,
Myoukenguchi."

"Communicator Entertainment Program Idea Spy 2.5 (Two-point-five) Episode 1 New
York. Here in the city where dreams come true and desires rule, something is
being bought, sold and thrown away, even as we speak. But behind the scenes of
business as usual, the nefarious J.E. (Junker Expensive) Corporation lines its
already bloated coffers with profits from worthless products. As J.E. swindles
yet another innocent into purchasing high-priced junk...the FBI mobilizes a
top-secret task force to put a stop to the menace. Now, the city's best-kept
secret spy is out there, briefed and ready to protect the people from J.E., the
catalogue of conspiracy -- just call him 2.5 (Two-point-five)."

"Munch, munch...Um? Raiden? I'm eating right now. Get back to me later...munch,
munch..."

"That reminds me, I saw Gubayama the other day in Shibomnigee. He said to give
you his best."

"I'm not home right now. Please leave a message after the beep. BEEP"

"ZZ...zz..."

"You got a PSG-1? You can use that against Sniper Wolf. Hurry up and save
Meryl!"

"Even my patience has its limits. I just can't leave this thing up to you any
longer. I'll do the fighting! You can just go home!"

"Actually, I am in really bad shape financially. I pay money to my ex-wife as
part of our divorce settlement, among other bills... I just had no choice but
to make you pay for lunch the other day. I'm really sorry."

"Big Boss here... Enter the track on the bridge to the right...Over."

He's KRAYZEE!!! Raiden agrees. A shocking communication comes in from Rose. It
insinuates she's...pregnant, but is cut off in mid-sentence. At long last, the
lad finds Snake, who makes light of his near-death situation against the Tengu
in the buff. He's got all of Raiden's gear, his Buttcrack Suit, and a new toy.
Olga's HF Blade! Boo-yah!

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News and Ten-goos
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Raiden was the bait to get aboard Arsenal. Olga let him on after pretending to
capture Raiden. Aw, shucks, we knew you hadn't gone bad, Snake. But there's
bad news along with the good.

25 RAYs. 25 to destroy. 25 between those two, and Solidus. Raiden, understand-
ably, is hardly thrilled. But Snake insists they shall overcome! So, in order
to effectively combat giant robots, Snake gives Raiden about 2 minutes to
master fighting with a sword. For robots. Yeah.

Lucky for him, in case he wants to use a gun, Snake assures him that he has
INFINITE AMMO. Right, so, take that, Fourth Wall! But before they set off to
their possible deaths, the two spend some quality bonding time over the
pleasant topic of the repercussions of killing people.

And they're about to kill a bunch more. Otacon comes in over CODEC, with good
news. He and the hostages are all safe and well and good, and moments after
Raiden asks Otacon to look into Roy's wackiness, they are spotted by a pesky
cypher, so it's time to run and gun through a tense hall of Tengu soldiers.
Through skill and perseverance, they defeat all adversaries and make it to the
door.

So, yeah, Hal returns with...strange news. He's found the Colonel. The Colonel
is inside Arsenal.

Scratch that. The Colonel... IS Arsenal. Rather, GW, Arsenal's AI. The signal
is identical, and it would explain that odd behavior as of late. Emma's virus.
Pretty freaky, but they have no choice but to fight on in spite of it.

Now, in a circle room, a veritable buttload of Tengus jump out and surround
Raiden and Solid. Another massive battle ensues, but when the gunsmoke clears
only two men are standing...

And. A lady.

Fortune! And she wants revenge on Solid, who she thinks killed Dolph, her dad!
She reasons that they'll fire the nuke, as she can't die. So why not kill
everyone else?

That's some pretty shifty logic. Snake tells Raiden to go up the nearby ladder
and continue on. He'll handle Fortune...somehow.

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"Stupid machines!"
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Raiden reaches the top of the ladder to find himself in a strange, virtual-
like world, overlooking a vast sea. The disembodied voice of Solidus Snake
speaks to him, explains things. Then, he sics the 25 RAYs on a lone operative.

The Stinger is Raiden's only hope. That, and the fact that the RAYs seem to
have been affected by Emma's virus as well. Precise shots to the knees and
then to the exposed maw makes short work of them.

They begin to fall like dominoes. One, two, three, the metal monsters pile up
and Raiden fires on and on, driven to bring Solidus to justice and get to the
bottom of this insane mission once and for all, or something like that.

Toppling RAY after RAY, it seems they'll never end. There are only a few left,
that Solidus himself mops up quite easily with his BADASS P-90. It's looking
bad. Olga is shot in the head by Solidus, Snake has been captured by Fortune,
Ocelot is in control of the remaining RAY (the non-automated one from the
Tanker).

Is this the end of our heroes?!

Not exactly. Not this time, ne'er-do-wells! But why? Cuz Ocelot is screwing
EVERYONE over! Hooray!

He explains, and it's a doozy. This, this whole thing, the entire everything,
has been a simulation. Certainly the locations were real, but it was all a
test, one to simulate Shadow Moses. For the S3.

Solid Snake Simulation.

To create a warrior on par with the greatest soldier, the man that can make the
impossible possible, the man that took down Big Boss. Raiden was selected for
this, as was Solidus to play his role. Raiden would be shaped via the S3. Dead
Cell was to represent Fox-Hound. Ames and the President's deaths. The virus
that mimicked FoxDie. The appearance of the Ninja. It would all play out
according to their designs, the will of the Patriots.

Ocelot also taunts Fortune, informing her she had nothing they didn't give her.
Why could no one hit her, shoot her? A device, that the Patriots had on her
(that she somehow never knew about?). It deflected bullets and the like. No
doubt how Ocelot was able to steal RAY all those years ago on the Tanker,
despite getting shot at by a bunch of Marines.

Ocelot, smugly, finishes off Fortune. Shoots her dead in the heart.

Solidus, now, he ain't to keen on getting used, so he attacks Ocelot, fires on
him with the P-90. But, of course, with that device and with Ocelot now in RAY
it is useless. But before Ocelot can launch a barrage of missiles to kill the
three remaining people on Arsenal, his arm starts twitching...

Oceliquid. Yep, remember him? Liquid takes over, explaining his motives:

Liquid: Brothers!

Solid: Liquid!

Liquid: I've been waiting for this!

Solidus: It can't be...?

We are shown flashbacks of Liquid at Shadow Moses while Liquid narrates over:

Liquid: I've been inside this arm all along, waiting for the right time to
awaken!

Solid: You were inside Ocelot?

Liquid: Yes, a sleeper in the arm of a Patriot spy.

Solid: It was you two years ago?

Liquid: Exactly. I was controlling him. Snake, it was I that leaked
information about Arsenal to your partner and got you out here.
You're the only one that can free me, after all...

Liquid: I'm off to bury the Patriots for good!

Solidus: You know where they are? How?

Liquid: Why do you think I choose Ocelot as my host? But before I go, I
have a family matter to settle with both of you. There's room for
only one Snake, and one Big Boss!

That clever Liquid. And so attractive, too. He launches a barrage of missiles
at the heroes (and the one "villain").

Missiles bearing down. DOOOOOoooommm....or not. Fortune, it turns out, is
still alive, and thanks to the power that it turns out she really did have, she
diverts the exploding death. "She really is lady luck." Snake comments, but she
dies for good afterwards, joining her family.

"Like surfing? It's a good way to go!" Liquid taunts, making his escape. Solid
breaks the cuffs that he received post-capture and pursues his tyrannical
brother...'s arm...in an old fart. Raiden, also in cuffs, is unable to break
his and aid Snake.

Arsenal, shortly after, takes off, and Solidus and Raiden are going along for
the ride.

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"Damn the Patriots!"
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Arsenal, in a wise move, decides to crash into Manhattan. Solidus and Raiden
are tossed like corks onto the roof of Federal Hall. After a nice history
lesson from a rather chatty Solidus, Raiden receives a CODEC call from...GW?

"But the AI was destroyed!" Raiden exclaims with us.

It is not GW, but another AI, of another Arsenal Gear. JFK, this one is. And
this one not only simulates Roy's visage, but that of Rose as well. And Roy
turns into a skeleton sometimes during the chats, which is damn freaky.

JFK explains more of this crazy plot. Ocelot wasn't mistaken, but he didn't
know the WHOLE truth. S3 did not stand for Solid Snake Simulation.

It stood for Silly Saltha Siesta!!!

Okay, it stood for Selection for Societal Sanity.

It was all a test, again, to see if the Patriots themselves could pass. Could
create a situation and control it to its fullest, to control Raiden, who was
selected. If they could control him, they could control the U.S. population,
make them believe anything.

If Raiden kills Solidus, they shall consider the mission a success. If Raiden
does not kill Solidus, they will kill Olga's child, and Rose, who is revealed
as a Patriot spy, who modelled herself after what would be considered Jack's
perfect woman.

But even hearing this, he still loves her, and Olga's baby is an innocent.
It's also revealed the various names. Jack. Raiden. Names for aircraft.
Weapons. Is Jack nothing more than a living weapon?

Adding fuel to the fire, Solidus reveals he killed Raiden's parents, and was
now poised to do in the lad himself.

But at least it would be a somewhat fair fight. Solidus returns to Raiden his
HF Blade. Solidus has two blades. Raiden has a Buttcrack Suit. Solidus has a
Doc Ock Suit.

Who will win? The Patriots creation? Or Solidus'?

Beloved monsters...enjoy yourselves.

After a long and decisive battle, Raiden emerges the victor, knocking Solidus
off Federal Hall to his death (probably, but these Snake Brothers are a tena-
cious sort).

And thus, the Patriots win. S3 is a success...

Down on the street, Raiden encounters Snake. He asks what happens, to which
the grizzled bandanna-wearer replies that Liquid got away. He tagged the RAY.
But Raiden is conflicted.

"Who am I really?" he laments.

Snake tells him, "No one quite knows who or what they are. The memories you
have and the role you were assigned are burdens you had to carry. It doesn't
matter if they were real or not. That's never the point. There's no such thing
in the world as absolute reality. Most of what they call real is actually
fiction. What think you see is only as real as your brain tells you it is."

"Then, what am I supposed to believe in? What am I going to leave behind when
I'm through?" asks Jack.

"We can tell other people about -- having faith. What we had faith in. What we
found important enough to fight for. It's not about whether you were right or
wrong, but how much faith you were willing to have, that decides the future.
The Patriots are kind of ongoing fiction too, come to think of it... Listen,
don't obsess over words so much. Find the meaning behind the words, then
decide. You can find your own name and your own future.

Raiden is still confused. "Decide for myself...?"

"And whatever you choose will be you."

"I don't know if I can."

"I know you didn't have much in terms of choices this time, but everything you
felt, thought about during this mission is yours, and what you decide to do
with them is your choice..."

"You mean start over?"

"Yeah, a clean slate. A new name, new memories. Choose your own legacy. It's
for you to decide. It's up to you. By the way, what is that?"

"Dog tags?" Raiden says quizzically, looking on them to find whatever the
player put at the outset of the Plant chapter.

Snake wonders, "Anyone you know?"

"No, never heard the name before. I'll pick my own name...and my own life.
I'll find something worth passing on. They taught me some good things too."

Snake agress. Hey, was that Vamp at some point? Yep. "I know. We've inherited
freedom from all those who fought for it. We all have the freedom to spread
the word. Even me."

"Snake, what about Olga's child?"

"Don't worry. I'll find him. Count on it. As long as you keep yourself alive,
he's safe."

"Do you know where Liquid went?"

"I put a transmitter on his RAY," Snake explains.

"Did he head for the Patriots?"

"Yeah. But I have a feeling they gave Ocelot a bogus location to begin with.
Cheer up. We have a better lead. This contains a list of all the Patriots,"
Snake boasts. It's the disc Ocelot took.

"But Ocelot took it!" Yeah, I just said that, Jack...

"The one we gave you wasn't the real thing." That trickster!

"What?"

"This virus is coded to destroy only a specific part of GW -- namely the
information about the Patriot's identity. Which means that there's a parameter
coded in here that defines what that information is, namely the information
about the Patriot's identity."

Woohoo!

"I get it. Analyze the code and you can probably find out where they operate.
Count me in --"

Sorry, Jack. A lot of very stupid people didn't like you. I dunno if we'll be
seeing you again.

"No, you have things to do first. And people you need to talk to..."

Like Rose! That spy, but she love Raiden, and he her. So now they can get past
that whole spy unpleasantness and raise that kid. As a family, as Raiden says.
A proposal? Aw...

After the credits roll, Snake gives yet another monologue, as we are shown
more scenes of New York City.

Life isn't just about passing on your genes. We can leave behind
much more than just DNA. Through speech, music, literature and
movies... what we've seen, heard, felt ...anger, joy and
sorrow... these are the things I will pass on. That's what I
ive for.

We need to pass the torch, and let our children read our messy
and sad history by its light. We have all the magic of the
digital age to do that with. The human race will probably come to
an end some time, and new species may rule over this planet. Earth
may not be forever, but we still have the responsibility to leave
what traces of life we can. Building the future and keeping the
past alive are one and the same thing.


-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Ole Epilogue Cliffhanger Dealie
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

After Snake's monologue, we're given, in traditional MGS sense, a conversation
that is played over a black screen that says "Metal Gear Solid 2". In this
conversation, we find out that Otacon has examined that disc. One of the names
was one of Philanthropy's biggest funders. But that's not the weirdest part.
The weirdest part is...they are all dead.

But that's not the weirdest part, either! The weirdest part is that they all
died...about a hundred years ago!

In the words of Snake:

What the hell?!




I think reading this will be much more managable than re-playing 1 and 2 again, but obviously less fun. >_> It's a nice way to recap what the hell happened.

Timberwolf Mar 20, 2006 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spatula
I think reading this will be much more managable than re-playing 1 and 2 again, but obviously less fun. >_> It's a nice way to recap what the hell happened.

I wouldn't mind replaying all the games. I re-played MGS2 before I opened MGS3.

No biggie.

solid_snake Mar 21, 2006 04:53 AM

The game iz out and just wanted to ask that is this game a MGS3 snake eater with online and 3rd person and extras.

Rock Mar 21, 2006 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by solid_snake
The game iz out and just wanted to ask that is this game a MGS3 snake eater with online and 3rd person and extras.

No, it actually turned out that this is a MGS3 Snake Eater with a rollercoaster simulator and popcorn maker.

Pietak Mar 21, 2006 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by solid_snake
The game iz out and just wanted to ask that is this game a MGS3 snake eater with online and 3rd person and extras.

Forgive me for being hostile, but Get the fuck out.
:dotdotdot:

Shenlon Mar 21, 2006 03:35 PM

Oh come one, give the dude a break. Maybe he comes from a time where the internet is limited with 20 pages and has no new resources ^_^;
Solid_Snake (how dare you have that name O_O), Subsistance is the new extra packed snake eater with online play.
Now either change your name, read thru this thread or get with the times or you won't survive long.

Pietak Mar 21, 2006 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shenlon
Solid_Snake (how dare you have that name O_O)

Exactly why I tore him to shreads.

By the way

SUBSISTENCE ARRIVED! WOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

Double Post:
http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/1...istence5ke.jpg

Spatula Mar 21, 2006 05:41 PM

You got both versions? >_>

EDIT: Nevermind, I forgot it's just the cover.

Stealth Mar 21, 2006 06:17 PM

Fucking beautiful!

http://cnxstudios.com/images/beautiful.jpg

Mobius One Mar 21, 2006 08:11 PM

LOL, I have 2 preorder discs! I got one from Gamestop for preordering, but I had to cancel the reservation because I had to leave town the week it came out. I preordered again while I was visiting my parents and now I have 2 discs.

So, anyone have a favorite online map? I love Brown Town, mostly because it looks like the battlefield in the MGS4 trailer. I like the City Under Siege, but there are too many snipers there. I'm fairly good at sniping, but there's always someone better.

espressivo Mar 21, 2006 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stealth

nice, im liking the GFF on the background lol. So that's the MGS saga case, i thought it would be some flimsy plastic cd jewel case lol.

Pietak Mar 21, 2006 09:40 PM

WOOOO! Online was great. I was kicking some real ass, but the server aborted connection, so I was kicked, and my score was not counted. I did so good as to reach Reiko level, and I was Reiko.... That was fun...

Mobius One Mar 23, 2006 12:13 AM

Has everyone seen this?

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/7057/016pl.th.jpghttp://img151.imageshack.us/img151/7821/027xx.th.jpghttp://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4932/031pc1.th.jpghttp://img135.imageshack.us/img135/6936/042fl.th.jpghttp://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9923/059vm.th.jpghttp://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9642/062de.th.jpghttp://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5624/072fd.th.jpghttp://img135.imageshack.us/img135/2451/087la.th.jpg

This should have been in the game manual because the manual barely tells you anything about online play. I didn't discover using L1 to lock on for several days after I've played online. I think alot of people still don't know about it because I totally dominated a match today, and I know I'm not that good.

Spatula Mar 23, 2006 12:18 AM

That's a pretty sweet "manual" there, seeing some dude named "Huke" penned the comic-style instructions, much like the previous MGS instruction manuals. Herm, the more I hear about all this on-line stuff, the more I'm inclined to get a network adapter. Damn, wait till my finals are over. ;_;

Timberwolf Mar 23, 2006 12:21 AM

I haven't even opened my copy yet.

Haven't had the time to play it.

B4-Hunter Mar 23, 2006 04:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mobius One
Has everyone seen this?

http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/7057/016pl.th.jpghttp://img151.imageshack.us/img151/7821/027xx.th.jpghttp://img151.imageshack.us/img151/4932/031pc1.th.jpghttp://img135.imageshack.us/img135/6936/042fl.th.jpghttp://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9923/059vm.th.jpghttp://img135.imageshack.us/img135/9642/062de.th.jpghttp://img135.imageshack.us/img135/5624/072fd.th.jpghttp://img135.imageshack.us/img135/2451/087la.th.jpg

This should have been in the game manual because the manual barely tells you anything about online play. I didn't discover using L1 to lock on for several days after I've played online. I think alot of people still don't know about it because I totally dominated a match today, and I know I'm not that good.

WoW that's nice =D I'll get my copy soon! Can't wait for it but... I'm playing FF XII now so it will be quite a problem for me to play both games =P.

Soldier Mar 23, 2006 04:43 AM

Your sig makes me jealous, Mobius.

Love the manual too, by the way. That's the one from Konami's official site right? I remember someone mentioning it in Gamefaqs, but you know how credible they can be.

I hope the "To be Continued" hints at possible updates. I've thought up so many new characters and modes, it isn't funny.

For example, throw in The Boss, and make her CQC move dismantle the opponent's weapon. Toss in that crazy hand-cannon of hers too.

Vamp with a CQC move that steals life (you know how) would be cool too.

But out of everyone, I'd love to have Volgin as a special character. Imagine being able to form a wall of electricity to block bullets. Have your allies hide behind you while you generate the shield, and the strategies are endless.

Eleo Mar 23, 2006 04:58 AM

I hate the camera in this game. Honestly, I thought they might have fixed it, but it feels like I have to manage the angle always instead of it being perhaps convenient or over the shoulder or something.

I'd comment on online play, but since I stole the game and am playing it on HDLoader, don't think I can play online.

How do I access secret theater.

Mobius One Mar 23, 2006 12:18 PM

Eleo:
To access Secret Theater you first need a save file from the single player game on the Subsistence disc and you must select "I like MGS3" when you start the game. Once you have a save file, put in the second disc and it should be unlocked. Thats how it is on a REAL copy anyway. Seriously, at only $30, online play is totally worth it. I love the new camera (you know you can switch it back to original view by pressing R3 right?). I haven't really played single player much, but in online play you can adjust how fast the camera spins, giving you even better surrounding awareness.

SOLDIER:
Thanks for the compliment. That is indeed the comic from the Kojima Productions website. I don't know about new characters to download. Though it would be cool, it would eat up so much memory card space that it's not even worth it. The downloadable camos alone are pretty hefty. This isn't X-box live, PS2 has no harddrive unforetunately (The HDD doesn't count as you can't save memory card information to it and it doeasn't work with the slim PS2). It would be cool to see all the characters from the MGS universe in the game. Raiden could have a sword. Ninja would have a sword+stealth camo+jumping abilities, but he would also randomly loose control and shout "the medicine!" durring play. Liquid might have a CQC that kills oponents instantly (except Snake), and would be able to absorb RPG damage. Psycho Mantis could float, throw objects and dodge bullets unless you use Port 2. The possibilities are endless. Vulcan Raven would have his minigun, but he would move more slowly than the other characters. Olga might be able to talk you to death while you fight her. Old Ocelot would be the same as young Ocelot except he'd have his bullet curving "device" (runnig on batteries of coarse). Fat Man might be able to skate quickly around the level and lay more powerful claymores everywhere. Eva would be able to use her Lipstick/gun to kill an oponent instantly. She'd also be able to unzip her shirt and distract enemies temporarily like the Book. The Fury could hover around and use his Flamethrower while moving. The Pain could use swarms of bees to attack, as well as block bullets and grenades temporarily (though that might be a problem to render online).

Yes, it would be really cool to play as all these characters. Perhaps there could even be a "Special characters only" mode where everyone is a special character. However I don't think it's going to happen for Subsistence. It looks like we'll have to wait for MGS4's online mode before we see new special characters.

Simo Mar 23, 2006 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SOLDIER
Your sig makes me jealous, Mobius.

Love the manual too, by the way. That's the one from Konami's official site right? I remember someone mentioning it in Gamefaqs, but you know how credible they can be.

The comic was also in the Japanese manual which was more than 100 pages compared to the skimpy booklet the US version got.

Mobius One Mar 23, 2006 07:10 PM

You mean something similar to this?

http://www.konami.com/gs/patches/MGS3S_manual.pdf

This is a very complete manual for Subsistence. 3.4 megs of info! This sure would've helped if I had this from the beginning.

Spatula Mar 23, 2006 08:46 PM

Ern, that's just the regular manual that came with Subsistence. You didn't get it Mobius One? Strange.

Pietak Mar 23, 2006 09:02 PM

uh, durr.

"Differences between Subsistence and Persistence"
Page 60.

Spatula spatula...

Spatula Mar 23, 2006 09:07 PM

Haven't put in disc 2 yet. :(

Megalith Mar 23, 2006 09:09 PM

Can a pirated copy be played online, or what.

Pietak Mar 23, 2006 09:10 PM

That AND the reg manual is like, 16 pages, this is already 60+.

Double Post:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Megalith
Can a pirated copy be played online, or what.

Shame on you.

Megalith Mar 23, 2006 09:12 PM

LoL what.

Shame on Konami for releasing 2 copies on Earth.

Pietak Mar 23, 2006 09:13 PM

Shame on releasing extra content in the first place for fans? Shame on Hideo for caring about his fan-base?

No. Shame on you.

Spatula Mar 23, 2006 09:47 PM

Wow, I just opened the instruction manual for the first after beating the game. Oh wait, it's not like I've never played a MGS game before, o rly.

randomwab Mar 24, 2006 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megalith
Can a pirated copy be played online, or what.

I'd actually like to know this too as i can't import yet and the PAL relase isn't for another few months and i want MGO goodness now as i got my PS2 online for MGO yesterday. I wonder if the PAL release will get even more extra stuff in Subsistence, we did with Substance

Spatula Mar 24, 2006 09:19 PM

Hey, I finally put in some time for the 2nd disc today. Meh it's alrighty. The secret theatre is pretty amusing though. Probably I haven't checked out the thing that makes it shine --> online mode. What a shame. Network adapter anyone?

Soldier Mar 24, 2006 09:20 PM

http://www.vgcats.com/comics/images/060320.jpg

Pfft, what are they talking about? Ocelot's taunt rules.

And I am SO The Fury. :edgarrock:

Shenlon Mar 24, 2006 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pietak
Shame on releasing extra content in the first place for fans? Shame on Hideo for caring about his fan-base?

No. Shame on you.

Woah you must really be devoted.
I do hate the fact that they are always releasing 2 versions of a single game. Just a way to get more money out of it. They know that they can get away with it. I'd prefer they delay a game so that they can add all the features instead of releasing 2 versions of the same damn game. For example, I bought devil mayl cry 3 for $20 and two days later I heard about the limited addition that was going to come out for the same damn price.
And I was looking into how to play pirated games online. You have to do some dnas patching and it all sounded a bit confusing. You can look it up on afterdawn.com.
Since the game is 30 dollars I may get it but I prefer just getting the online disc by itself.

Pietak Mar 24, 2006 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shenlon
Woah you must really be devoted.

I'm told that a lot from friends. The whole reason of me buying a PSP was for Metal Gear Acid actually...

The other features are just quirks and bonuses for me. :kitsune:

Godai Mar 24, 2006 10:37 PM

Got my LE a few days ago finally. Just wanted to mention though, I was talking to these guys I know that work at my local EB, and they said they got in 2 copies of the LE and bought them themselves. So it seems Canada did get some LEs after all, heh.

Shenlon Mar 24, 2006 10:52 PM

The Limited edition has the metal gear movies right? but doesn't the online disc have the demo theater, doesn't that defeat the whole purpose? Or is it like substance where you can only view a few scenes?

Pietak Mar 25, 2006 10:12 AM

The LE has Existence, which is a 3hour motion picture of Snake Eater, designed to be a film-like experience for Metal Gear.

Shenlon Mar 25, 2006 10:18 AM

ok, so existence is a edited version of all the scenes in mgs. But the Demo theater has all the cutscenes. Oh and from what heard existence isn't a normal dvd u can play on any player other than the ps2........i love the game but that seems kinda useless if you ask me ^^

Pietak Mar 26, 2006 12:24 AM

Christ, just stumbled across this one...

Get ready for it:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QfINX5NxaVk

Now:

A. I want that soundtrack
B. WHY IS THIS NOT IN THE SAGA DVD?!?!
C. Document of MGS3... :D
D. Higher res?! Where?!

Hantei Mar 26, 2006 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pietak
Christ, just stumbled across this one...

Get ready for it:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=QfINX5NxaVk

Now:

A. I want that soundtrack
B. WHY IS THIS NOT IN THE SAGA DVD?!?!
C. Document of MGS3... :D
D. Higher res?! Where?!

Hmm, I know I've seen that trailer somewhere before, just can't remember where...

Pietak Mar 26, 2006 11:57 AM

It looks like a pre-production movie, similar to those found on "The Document of Metal Gear Solid 2" disk. But how did this guy get a hold of this one...

Spatula Mar 26, 2006 12:37 PM

SHIT! why wasn't it included? It's so awesome, however seeing that this was probably during the Virtuous mission, how the hell did he get the X1M6thingamajig rifle?

Timberwolf Mar 26, 2006 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spatula
how the hell did he get the X1M6thingamajig rifle?

Because like Pietak said, it was probably a pre-production movie.

Zip Mar 26, 2006 03:29 PM

i tried this out yesterday and played it today.
It's well made and all but uh... nothing special, everyone was orgasming about it so i must have thought it was something extra cool. It's more like ps2 gamers got a good online shoot em up.
:hears mgs fanboys tumbling in:

JazzFlight Mar 26, 2006 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zip
i tried this out yesterday and played it today.
It's well made and all but uh... nothing special, everyone was orgasming about it so i must have thought it was something extra cool. It's more like ps2 gamers got a good online shoot em up.
:hears mgs fanboys tumbling in:

Are you just talking about the online portion?

I love the game not because of the online portion (I don't really play it much), but because of the new camera. The original game was unplayable, in my opinion, due to that fixed camera position. Now that we can rotate it in any direction, I was able to play through completely.

DBCE Slayer Mar 26, 2006 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JazzFlight
Are you just talking about the online portion?

I love the game not because of the online portion (I don't really play it much), but because of the new camera. The original game was unplayable, in my opinion, due to that fixed camera position. Now that we can rotate it in any direction, I was able to play through completely.

I loved the camera because before playing Subsistence, I was playing a lot of RE 4 and got used to rotating the camera. That new camera was a nice add-on in my opinon.

Megalith Mar 26, 2006 05:06 PM

Why aren't you nubs talking about Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake.

Spatula Mar 26, 2006 05:33 PM

Because we're graphics whores. YOU CAN ACTUALLY SEE SNAKE DO CQC HERE!

Okay fine, I did give MG and MG2 a run, and even though I TRIED to play it, I guess I wasn't really up for since finishing the main game a few days ago.

Soldier Mar 26, 2006 05:35 PM

I'll say something: I was pretty confused when Big Boss told me to contact Schneider if I wanted info on where to find the weapons. I couldn't find his frequency anywhere in the game or in the english manual. It turns out you had to look up the original japanese manual to get the list of frequencies. Nice one, Konami. :(

It's 120.75 by the way.

Pietak Mar 26, 2006 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Megalith
Why aren't you nubs talking about Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake.

MSX emulator + PSP = Beaten five months ago.

Zip Mar 28, 2006 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JazzFlight
Are you just talking about the online portion?

I love the game not because of the online portion (I don't really play it much), but because of the new camera. The original game was unplayable, in my opinion, due to that fixed camera position. Now that we can rotate it in any direction, I was able to play through completely.

yes the online part, the game itself is masterful of course, i love how Kojima went back to pure gameplay and not so many movies like mgs2

evergreen Mar 29, 2006 05:37 PM

I'm playing Metal Gear on disc 2. I was wondering if anyone could tell me how to use rations, and I don't meant auto-use through equiping it but using them whenever. Thanks a lot!

Rock Mar 29, 2006 05:41 PM

Just contact the secret codec frequency that is printed on the back of the MSX cartidge.

What, no MSX cartridge? ::fail@videogames::

solid_snake Mar 30, 2006 12:55 AM

The game is awesome and im proud to say its not a dissapointment.:edgarrock:
im planning to write a review.:borg:



oh and by the way, im sorry for the silly comment earlier in this thread, that was my big brother just trying to give me a hard time.:boxing:

Pietak Mar 30, 2006 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by solid_snake
The game is awesome and im proud to say its not a dissapointment.:edgarrock:
im planning to write a review.:borg:



oh and by the way, im sorry for the silly comment earlier in this thread, that was my big brother just trying to give me a hard time.:boxing:

Sounds like something my big brother would do. Then he'd say something like, "Hey u guyz are leet." ...Man.

DRAKO Mar 30, 2006 07:53 PM

just a sort of offtopic:

thnx for bring the game full spanish, even the rom ,,i mean the originals msx´s mg....
it very rare see somebody consider us ...

just that...

Tellurian May 17, 2006 02:02 AM

Stupid side question:
Can someone tell me, when this thing is coming out in Europe?

Darkelf May 17, 2006 11:14 AM

Well, Play.com had it listed as a june release up until a while ago but... oh the horror!!! It's been delayed until 29 september. CRAP!! And that's just the 2-disc edition. No word on the LE.

Mobius One May 17, 2006 08:04 PM

The LE isn't worth it.

evergreen May 17, 2006 08:09 PM

It's worth it if you sold it. Which I wish I did since Online just wasn't my taste and I've got an open, albeit complete copy I have no real use for.

Mobius One May 17, 2006 08:20 PM

I should've sold mine while the getting was good. I could've used an extra $100 or so. Now I'm stuck with it. While online mode is my cup of tea, the 3rd Existence disc is not. Seriously, the greatest thing about the LE is the cool red cardboard case it comes it.

Pietak May 17, 2006 09:30 PM

Well, seeing as I'm an insane MGS addict that just purchased the friggin "ShowMAYBE" from eBay, I'd say I enjoy the LE quite a bit! The LE is just what I need to get me through the day; just one look, and I inspire myself to live.

evergreen May 17, 2006 09:41 PM

What's the "ShowMAYBE"?

Pietak May 17, 2006 11:57 PM

http://www.blog.konami.jp/gs/hideobl...tml#trackbacks

Mobius One May 21, 2006 04:22 AM

You lucky sunofabitch. Scan that ShowMAYBE in hi res NOW! At least so the text is readable. Does it have that little area where it talks about the MGS movie?

Pietak May 21, 2006 10:51 AM

Guy sent it out Friday. I'll get back to everyone on the content, including scans and all. Should arrive Monday I assume.


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