Nintendo E3 Conference NOBODY GOES
 

So Nintendo has a big ol conference tomorrow. Something about CASUALS and guitars and Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles and noone was all that impressed.

Let's talk about it!

I heard they're releasing some games for the Wii involving several minigames, a "wacky" and not at all forced control system and the full range of your favourite Mario characters. Rumours are they're also insisting that sub-PS2 graphics are still acceptable to modern gamers and that they can indeed stay solvent by flogging the same old dead horse for the next few years.

Woah! What future boat did you just step off of, Shin?! =O

I heard they're releasing Terranigma with motion control.


























































no I didn't. :(

I sorta wish RABicle was here.
I found his version of E3 (something about Reggie smashing things on stage and roundhouse Sony executives in the groin) and the real one (powerpoint presentations with lots of extra and totally useless plastic add-ons for the Wiimote to be clashing in the most magnificent way.

My hopes? A new Zelda, built for Wii without waggling, a new Mario sidescroller for either DS or Wii and almost no focus on soccer moms, grannies and kids. Only hardcore games this time around, please.

Oh that's just adorable. We have a dreamer, guys. :tpg:

Er, mate, this is the Nintendo thread. The only time people use the word hardcore in a sentence including the word Nintendo is "Nobody who considers themselves a hardcore gamer, as massively homosexual as that phrase is, would ever bother buying a Nintendo Wii or DS".

I mean trolling aside, are there any Wii games that don't feature one of either Mario, stupid minigames or shoe-horned in motion control?

Blastworks? There's plenty, but that's the first one to come to mind.

I've got him beat, folks - I'm hoping for a sequel to Hotel Dusk.

Stop Sign, you bring hope to this nation. :')


Shin, I bought a second Wii for my parents and Wii Fit. :)

Counting! One! Two! Two Nintendo Dust Collectors! Ah! Ah! Ah!

I can't say I'd heard of that one but having just watched a video of it, it's got shoe-horned control system written all over it. Any more?

What motion control there is certainly isn't in it just for the fact of being in it. The editor works well with the controls, they're well thought out, and they certainly weren't just "shoe-horned" in there just because they could tack it on with minimal effort.

If you're going to exclude all games with any motion control period under that forced implementation heading, you might as well start excluding games on other systems that use specific buttons on the controller that you might not like. SHIT THIS GAME USES THE D PAD FOR SOMETHING FUCK.

(I'm trying to reduce trollan here, why you gotta be this way?)

If there isn't a new Pilotwings game then Nintendo will have wasted a car trip. People will demand a new Pilotwings at the start of the conference.

"Hello everyon-"
"NEW PILOTWINGS?"
"No here are some sales charts"

Everyone laughs. Everyone instantly leaves.

Reggie will ask the press to "please call him Reginald" from now on, and then will proceed to announce Man Icarus, which is being outsorced to the Ubisoft team that made Prince of Persia: Warrior Within.

A new Zelda will debut, built from the ground up for the Wii. It will be a cell shaded sequel to Wand of Gamelon.

The Fairchild Channel F will be supported in the Virtual Console catalog.

Propietary 5¼" floppy drives will be released to solve the Wii's storage problems. Only nerds and otakus will care, the rest WILL LAUGH.

So basically God of War with wings, then

Not seeing the problem http://www.saxypunch.com/miscimg/emot-colbert.gif

There isn't any. It's Man Icarus, after all. Voiced by David Hayter.

Stop filling my head with beautiful dreams you miserable bastard

Man Icarus. ;_; Where is my sexy shota Icarus, what the hell.

Factor 5 has been awfully quiet lately.

I've said too much.

And of course, Final Fantasy XIII will be confirmed for the Wii tomorrow.

Your sources lack credibility. I'll let you in on a little secret:

:twitch: :gonk: :shock: :gape:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ilm_Poster.jpg

Hey, so do I:cmb:
And it'll happen soon. Like world peace.

Later guys, I have to take a swim in the gumdrop coloured paradise that is my lawn. Pet a unicorn, frolick with a pegasus and be one with nature.

See you guys in 8 hours :P. I'm betting on a new Zelda with 1:1 controls, Wii Music, and at least 5 third-party games highlighted that no one cares about.

<_< ... >_> ... Not sure if this has been posted....

While we're all dreaming and/or despairing about what's gonna take place at E3, a little notice came up concerning the Wiimote. Well, Microsoft hasn't announced a motion controller yet, but possibly as a counter-act, Wiimote 1:1 movement is now possible!!!

Linkity Doodle: Introducing Wii MotionPlus, Nintendo's upcoming accessory for the revolutionary Wii Remote at Nintendo :: What's New

See you all at the show.

there needs to be a complete system update.

Yeah, I saw it earlier. Sure, it should have been in the controller to begin with and I hope it costs 10 bucks or is 30 bucks with a good game packed in but at least now I'll be able to brush my teeth with 1:1 movement with my Wii controller.

I also like that it comes with a longer Wii condom to accommodate it. :)

Damn! Cammie Dunaway is one creepy lady.

Carrot Top Snowboarding coming to the Wii. You read it here fist!

Awesome. So they announced nothing? That's the impression I'm getting from all the nerd rage. I was out at the store and arrived in time to see Lmao Wii Music, did I miss anything that wasn't terrible?

Not a very exciting press conference this time. I have to reserve full judgment until I can play Wii Music for myself, but I doubt that it's the killer app Nintendo's obviously hoping it to be.

GTA DS sounds interesting, though. And I will be picking up Animal Crossing Wii.

Ahahahaha that was the worst conference ever. Not even Sony's 2006 shitfest was this bad. I'm going to sue Nintendo for boring me to death.

Agree, I wanted to smash her face in after a minute.

Bleh, it looks like my wishes were to unrealistic. No Mario or Zelda.

I'm surprised about GTA, though. Can I finally beat up hookers and steal their cash on Nintendo?

Animal Crossing is cool and all but laughing my ass off here at Wii Music and how pathetic everyone looked on stage. New PR bitch Cammy or whatever her name is was fucking annoying. I AM A WOMAN AND CASUAL LOOK AT ALL THESE GAMES FOR ME OH HO I HAVE A WRIST INJURY AND I SUCK AT SNOWBOARDING. I think this also confirms that we'll never have a proper Wave Race or Pilot Wings this generation either because those can only be minigames. Seriously, just wait for hang gliding to be in Wii Sports Resort. You'll never see a gyro copter or jet pack again, guys. Wii motion plus isn't even going to be out until Spring. What? I swear to god there better be some good surprise shit between Fall and next Summer. I don't even care what platform anymore because this E3 so far has been one beautiful let down.

Well, this thread's title pretty much sums the feeling of the conference today: NOTHING. After going on about "not neglecting the core gamer", they go ahead and show nothing. Way to go, Nintendo.

The DS front though: GTA: Chinatown Wars? Hmm...

Here's hoping everything else gets revealed tomororw. There's gotta be more than that, right? (Also, off to the Sony conference!)

The nerd rage is the only good coming from that conference.


http://g.photos.cx/1216142359105-4e.jpg

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS
WHEN YOU FUCK STRANGERS
IN THE ASS NINTENDO

THAT WAS STUPID.

OMG SO MANY COOL GAMES AND FEATURES AT THIS CONFERENCE!

The only thing that was interesting was explaining the WiiMotion Plus and Animal Crossing city and using WiiSpeak. I just hope there's a mute button for it or else I won't use it. My brothers would just yell out random shits when they have a chance to. :(

WiiMusic looks fun even if it means anybody playing it will look retarded. :tpg:

And so the conference is so-so... like always. :/
I hope Nintendo surprise us with other (new) games on their show floor (ie like they did with SSBB a couple of years ago). Also no solution to storage space. I would assume they would reveiled it along with the WiiMotion Plus. I hope I'm wrong tomorrow. */wishful thinking*

I missed the conference and it looks like I missed nothing at all.

Why is everyone so pissed about this year's E3 being a dud? We knew it was getting dumbed down this year and FF XIII on the 360, GTA DS, and Animal Crossing Wii are already more than I expected to see from it.

Was GTA: Chinatown Wars shown at all or just mentioned? It'll be interesting to see how the graphics turn out on the DS.

Oh well, one good thing's come from this. Rhythm Tengoku DS is getting a US release as Rhythm Heaven.

Other junk here.

Everyone has expected Animal Crossing forever. It was only a matter of when. A bit surprising is the conference room-like microphone of sorts. I wonder how well that will work. Their online is still a fucking joke.

The logo was shown and mentioned for all of 10 seconds with the fact that it's a new engine and plays similar to modern GTA games. People seem to be expecting GTA2 for some reason.

WTF? That's an unexpected HUGE surprise! I'm very glad that NOA is going to localize the game. Now if only they do the same for Band Brothers then I'll be a happy camper. XD

Oh, I'm not upset about the conference. I knew it wasn't as excited as before when E3 was huge a few years ago. People should be glad that they are STILL doing E3.

Yeah, the game itself is no surprise. I'm not really interested in it unless they bring back the in-game NES consoles from the Gamecube game either. That was half the fun of it for me, and the reason I skipped Wide World. It's too bad any hope of Nintendo having a decent online mode for this is less likely than Man Icarus actually being released.

Man Icarus will still be on he show floor, guys. Don't panic.

The best part was when Cammie Dunaway confirmed Home will be coming to the Wii in her chemically-induced enthusiasm.

you sure?
http://i38.tinypic.com/15owfp2.jpg

Davi Drum or what did they call him. I won't pass judgement, but I sure hope that people'll look a bit... smarter while playing the drums.

OMFG LOL...

My steam was lagging when that was going on. I was like WTF is this.

Why make a music game when rockband / guitar heroes already dominates the market.

Because Miyamoto REALLY likes a good game of pretend.

Because not every Wii user is interested in spending 100-200+ dls on a game where 80% of the music are tracks you don't even like.

Plus the air band market has been untapped so far.

Ravi Drums; hero of forever.

Still no good launch titles for the Wii? :(

Wii is becoming GC 2.0 which was N64 2.0 which unfortunately most definitely was not SNES 2.0... I can't even be bothered to check to see if there was any Rygar update at E3 because that title has been announced for nearly a year now with no progress.

So . . . Reggie . . .



Where's my Mother 3?

Japan.

Along with my 'nigma for VC?

wvlfpvp, I'm afraid we can only rely on each other when it comes to those things.

See, whereas you get mad, Acer, I just get frownyface'd. Plus I have enough NEW games to play without playing such awesomeness again. Even if it is on my TV and I can pretend that Terranigma actually got released in America.

You know what? They should have just announced some sort of 3rd-party episodic content based game with a planned 23 episodes over a 3-year period. The first episode would get released in Madagascar and only work on TVs with DC (not AC) to ensure region incompatibility. Then, a new screenshot would be leaked every 2 years. When the next Wii was announced, they could have announced that the remaining 22 episodes would be rolled into one big launch title (that would never get released). At least that would have entertained me for 1.5 seconds.

<--

This will entertain you for 1.5 YEARS.

Is it seizure-avatar week?

I am listening to The Beta Band's "Broke," and scarily that dude is drumming in pretty dang good time to the beat!

To stay somewhat on track do you think that Nintendo will change course at all, or will the Wii just keep churning out games like "Ninja Reflex" and variations on "Chicken Shoot?" I see a game like RE4 on the Wii and I wonder why there isn't a tad bit more variation. Too bad the Alone in the Dark game bites so bad. I would think an adventure game on Wii (see: Zak & Wiki) would be right up the Wii-mote's alley...

Nobody buys Adventure/Point'n'Click games because we all have terrible taste.

LMFAO, wow, it looks like was a must see part of the conference after all. man, i gotta get a video of the conference. i wanna see this guy in real time

No. Not until they stop selling games at a rate of 50 million every five seconds.

Maybe the world will learn... when it runs out of money. I mean, how much money can there really be in the world?



Probably enough for Ninja Reflex 12...

Never. EVER. Underestimate the ignorance of the average consumer.

Hmm... GC dev kit second-hand on Ebay + some sort of Wii-mote waggle feature = massive profit.

there's also a SNES devkit available on a torrent (The Complete SNES Developer Kit : Other > Other - Mininova) if anyones interested in that.

I find that highly more compelling than the Nintendo E3 news.

I smell 16-bit RPG with waggle-mote features comin' on...

Nintendo really have lost me.
If it wasn't my ersatz-Gamecube, my Wii would find its way to eBay pretty quickly...

GTA DS will clearly suck massive donkey balls. What's the point of a GTA game with no blood, no swearing and no racial stereotypes? The main character will probably be fucking Mario and you have to drive around jumping on turtles or some equally banal crap like that, all the while using the stylus to draw pictures of which one you want to shoot at next and learning how to add up and cook better.

Pretty much everyone who's going to get one has a Wii now and nobody ever buys more than two games for the thing so unless they release some new hardware or start producing games that aren't Mario themed minigame-fests, Nintendo are fucked. The Wii needs a new Goldeneye and Killer Instinct to prove to people that it's more than just a joke console for drunk people and kids.

The company won't go tits up like Sega did because kids always need more DS games but the Wii is all but finished already. Every game store near me has like a one stand Wii display compared to at least 4 or 5 for every other console, including PS2. It's a remarkable achievement for a company that kicked so much ass with the SNES to fail so miserably ever since.

I love from absolutely no information released, you've come to this conclusion. Genius.

THE COUNT IS RISING.

Your ignorance is impressive, Shin.

I am sure whatever console you own (Xbox or PS3, it doesn't matter) obviously satisfies you insatiable thirst for hundreds upon hundreds of mediocre racing games, sports games and shooting games, but here's the news flash: NOT ALL GAMERS ARE LIKE YOU SHIN.

THE WII IS FINISHED! OF COURSE I AM DISREGARDING ALL SALES FIGURES, OF COURSE. OF COURSE, I AM BASING ALL MY FINDINGS ON WHAT I HAVE SEEN IN STORES. I CANNOT COMPREHEND THAT THERE ARE OTHER EXAMPLES APART FROM THE ONES I HAVE GIVEN, OF COURSE. THAT IS OF COURSE, IMPOSSIBLE!

True, but nobody has any information suggesting it will be good either. I am allowed to make predictions as much as anyone else is.

I have a 360 and a Wii as it happens. I like playing Wii games but it only seems to ever come out when I have mates round and we're drunk. I have never once felt the desire to play a Wii game on my own. These same mates also all own Wii's, in fact just about everyone I know owns a Wii. I am in no way suggesting that the console hasn't sold incredibly well. What I am suggesting and based on my personal experience and from reading various articles writen by market analysts and economists rather than gamers, is that most people don't buy any games for the thing. Everyone owns Wii Sports, most people also own one of Mario Party, Rayman Ravin Rabbids or Mario Olympics and literally a couple of people bought something else too.

Fair enough, you like shaking your wiimote, nobody can deny you that and at the right time, with the right people around, so do I but I only need one game to do that.

I'm taking the sales figures with a pinch of salt, knowing that a lot of software sales are tied in to new hardware purchases and that you only really get a feel for how much software is selling for a console after a couple of years. Looking at how much space is dedicated in stores to a product is a perfectly reasonable way to determine demand for a product. Big companies like GAME spend a fucking fortune on market research so they know what to stock and they stock things people are likely to buy. That they give fuck all space to Wii games suggested that they don't think many people want to buy them. That's just obvious isn't it.

Now if you take a deep breath, stop getting so butt-hurt that someone suggested that your precious Nintendo's current business model has holes in big enough to drive through and calm down and read what I said as a rational criticism rather than a personal attack you'll see that I'm making sense.

Why do you take criticism of Nintendo so personally anyway? Do you work for them or something? Am I dissing your life's work, are the harsh realities of my vision of the future going to leave you homeless and destititute? What is it?

I think it might be time for your naptime, you seem to be getting rather over-excited.

I will agree that the Nintendo conference was lacking this year, but honestly, has anyone watched the Microsoft and Sony conferences. Not much better. Sure, Microsoft had a bunch of games to show, but X360's been around a full year longer than the PS3 and Wii. Here we find ourselves at the dead period. Now is when consoles just release stuff and putter around until it's time for another big hardware development. The last two E3s we saw exciting new hardware at it's best, and (some) launch titles to get excited about (well, except for Sony i guess).

Now that all the excitement has died down, Wii, like PS3, is still trying to find it's footing that it has to stand on for the next few years. Wii Motion Plus is definitely a step in the right direction in terms of refining the technology to better achieve the objective it set out to accomplish.

I remain optimistic for Wii and the potential therein. I'm not sure about you guys, but summer has always video game void, or at least i've thought so. As to why E3 was moved to July is beyond me, and i sort of expected something like this. There's time, and other conventions to look forward to. I can't justify sealing Wii's coffin yet.

I'm a big fan of Nintendo, but I have to agree, their presentation this year was definitely lacking. There are plenty of games that could have been focused on, but it seems like they really only presented 3 things. Wii Sports Resort, Wii Music, and an assload of sales charts. Everything else seemed like a passing mention. Animal Crossing Wii is good, but everything else just seemed lackluster.

I don't like to admit it, but it seems like the Wii's target audience has shifted a bit too far away from traditional gamers. I'm all for bringing new people to gaming, but it really just feels like traditional games are becoming more rare. I remain hopeful for Nintendo to release more traditional game announcements at TGS.

This video is full of win. Too bad it's true.

Or today at 3 PM.

VGChartz.com | [Unconfirmed] Nintendo to unveil a game today

Maybe E3 won't be a complete waste.

http://g.photos.cx/1216236322790-94.jpg

Maybe.

Shin, just because most people own the games you mentioned doesn't mean that they're the only games on the system/the only good/bad games either. There's decent stuff. Hell, I play my Wii regularly.

Okay, no offense, I love you and all, but you did this all wrong. It should be more like this:

Rhythm Tengoku DS is getting a US release as Rhythm Heaven.

I mean, it was only the best game ever made on the GBA. News like that shouldn't get shoveled away like it's some kind of dirty secret. The only way they could possibly blow it is if they took out the music by Tsunku(who is ♂) and localized the game with music by Timbaland and Lil Jon. Here's a video and a website designer who doesn't know how to do the ♂!

I'm also a big fan of Nintendo. But just like Omnislash said (and all the thread too), the conference this year was wrong, very very wrong.

I suppose we won't have Wave Race for Wii (not that it's the best game ever, but I like it) because it is now part of Wii Sports Resort :(

Were is the next big hit? T_T

BTW, now I hope deveolpers are able to use the Motion Plus thing, to have better games, real cool awesome games.

Wii Music, do we really need that weird Mario Theme remix? And stock music -.-

I never said that there are no other games on Wii. All I said is that most people bought one for the novelty factor and as such will not buy any more games and as such, Nintendo ought to think about making some proper games and more to the point publicising them properly or otherwise the actual Gamers are going to desert the system and the 75% or so of Wii's that were bought for Wii Sports aren't going to generate any further software sales.

I am aware that other games exist but Nintendo's publicity machine seems obsessed with pushing the novelty ones and this E3 conference did nothing to dispel that idea.

I agree with you. Although Nintendo is doing well with Sales, I really feel the Wii is in desperate need of some better games for Adult gamers.

Waverace would be cool, a new zelda or mario, some good RPGs. I think RPGs could be awesome with the motion controls.

None of this air drumming, frisbee throwing shit.

I can guarantee you that GTA DS will NOT have "Mario and you have to drive around jumping on turtles or some equally banal crap like that, all the while using the stylus to draw pictures of which one you want to shoot at next and learning how to add up and cook better."

You're allowed to make predictions, but with fucking retarded predictions like this don't be surprised when someone thinks you're full of shit.

Again, you're talking from personal experience. Alot of my friends own Wii's too and alot of my friends have more than one game. In fact most of them have about 9 or 10 and not all of the are Mario minigame-fests or minigame-fests at all. SHOCK! HORROR!

It's curious, in Australia things are completely different. In most places the Wii section rivals the 360 sections, in very few stores are the sections noticably mismatched. And absolutely everywhere the Wii section giants the PS3 section available and that's including Blu-Ray DVDs which are normally stored side-by-side. So maybe your example isn't the case everywhere? But of course, that's just obvious isn't it.

If you had written a rational argument, I would have been able to read it and respond to it in a rational way. Instead you chose to fill it with KIDDY KIDDY KIDDY words.

I don't take well thought out, well written posts personally. But when staff, no less, start bashing their hands violently on the keyboard filling their posts with ignorant and childish console bashing, I get a little peeved.

You say this as if the man behind Morning Musume is the epitome of musical genius.

I used to think Morning Musume was some sort of Japanese coffee brand. That just isn't the case. =I

Well, I guess the special secret announcement never happened, but Miyamoto did mention Pikmin... so I guess we're getting Pikmin 3 sometime in the next 6 years. As if we didn't already know that.

Compared to Lil Jon? Yes. Yes he is.

You take that back right now. Lil Jon's CRUNKNESS is the only thing that could save Nintendo.

http://ghettonation.files.wordpress....03/lil-jon.JPG

YEAH!

You didn't answer my question. I was quite obviously joking when I suggested that GTADS would have Mario in (Although I stand by the point that there's be no blood or swearing in it) and regardless of how you think I'm framing the criticism, the fact remains that you're getting upset because I have a negative opinion of a piece of electronics. Not even that in fact, you're getting upset because I think the business model of a company that makes a certain type of games console and has already demonstrated it's ability to throw away vast slabs of market share, is flawed and I think they wasted an opportunity to show that they had other ideas beside Mario games and lifestyle coach accessories. Why would that annoy you? You do know that fostering irrational brand loyalty is a marketing trick right? You have given me no reasons why it upsets you that I forecast a bleak future for Nintendo, other than describing my words as "Kiddy", which coming from the boy who attempted to shout me down by typing all in capitals is pretty amusing. All I'm asking for is a calm, rational response to my question, why does it upset you that I think Nintendo should rethink their marketing strategy.

Also, I didn't realise you lived in Australia. I wouldn't have used shop displays as an example if I'd known you lived in a third world country.

Nintendo's changed a fair bit from their NES days of censoring everything, it'd be up to Rockstar if they wanted to include blood/swearing/nudity/drugs/pancakes whatever or not. DS already has the likes of Resident Evil, Mortal Wombat, Dead 'N' Furious, Dementium blah blah blah.

Although as much as I love GTA, I just can't get excited about the idea of playing it on the DS. It was bad enough on the PSP. It's one of those games that doesn't really suit the portable world. :(

Unless they turn it into a Tetris game or something where you drop dick blocks into cunt blocks to try and score maximum points, then some old guy yells about lawn bowls on the touch screen non-stop while all these cannons shoot out clowns on the top screen and the cartridge heats the DS up so much that battery acid leaks all over your hands. That'd be awesome.

So I am supposed to sift through your bullshit "framing" and find the real argument deep inside? Please. I read your argument how anyone else is going to read it, as a sarcastic, weak and unfunny swipe at Nintendo. I'm not taking issue with what you're saying, I'm taking issue with how your saying or "framing" it.

Nintendo is targetting the market it always has AND more. It's opened the door for other gamers to walk on through, while still making games for gamers who have remained loyal.

Nintendo has created games (or some on the way) on the Wii for almost all of it's major series, Mario, Zelda, Smash Bros., Metroid, Fire Emblem, Nintendo's Wars Series, Kirby, Animal Crossing, Wario and the numerous spin-off titles like Paper Mario, Mario Kart and the Mario Sports & Party titles. There's not too many more series that I can think of that need representation, maybe F-Zero and Star Fox. It's just now they're offering more.

Again, I'm not taking issue with your argument. Although I don't agree with it, it's all about your "framing".

Ugh, you keep asking the same question over and over and I'm afraid I'm going to answer you with basically the same answer. You posted like a child, I responded to you as a child. If you had posted a coherent post, I would have given you a coherent reply.

You can't just turn around and say "Hey, if you think I'm bad, why are you doing the same?" Did you think about why I responded to you like that? No.

Because you want Nintendo to change their market strategy based on what YOU want and WHAT you desire, when you have clearly stated that you have all the real gaming you need on other systems. That's stupid and narrow-minded. Wii doesn't always suit your needs, but another system does, move on and stop whining. Why have 3 identical consoles? Why shoot at the same goal?

Nintendo offers something different and panders to the same hardcore crowd it always has. I don't see how this is a bad target strategy. It's selling. It's working.

Hurr hurr.

Yeah, you'll have to forgive me. It was very exciting, but it was also four o'clock in the morning. The sleep was taking over!

But <3 <3 !! Now they just need to bring over Band Brothers DX while they're at it!

I never understood why that didn't make it over to US. A fantastic DS music game with a nearly-complete composition tool, how could that not be a success over here?

Well, the first one anyway! I haven't tried DX, but it looks like a smiley, so I like it already.

I'm sorry, I shall take the time out to read through your posting history to see how I should be posting then. Ah, I see the trick is to limit oneself to no more than a single sentence in a post whenever possible. I'm sure that would make my points easier to understand, thank you for enlightening me.

Two things here really. The market they've always had has been collapsing since the N64. Each generation sees them lose more and more market share so it would seem that "Sticking with what we know" is a losing strategy. I never said that they've not brought in new customers, what I suggested is that these new customers don't buy many games each. And then again, look you said people who remained loyal. You mean people who fell for the marketing tricks and have an irrational sense of brand loyalty right? Well fervent as Ninty's fanboys are (And you're a damn good example, not quite RABicle but not bad at all), there aren't enough of them to keep the Wii profitable. The very point I've been trying to make, is that yes, Nintendo do diligently re-release Mario and Smash Brothers and Zelda every couple of years and the brainwashed "Loyal" customers lap it up and buy every new version and now a lot of people have bought a Wii for a bit of Wii Sports action but if this is as ambitious as Nintendo get, then they will only see further reduction of their market share as their competitors manage to launch a much bigger range of products and as such cater to the mass market (Where all the money is). You imply that every Xbox game is a bland shooter or driving game but there's a reason for that, it makes them a shit load of cash and the whole point of my arguement this whole time, had you done me the courtesy of actually reading any of it instead of frothing at the mouth and going into defend the motherland mode on me, was that financially, Nintendo need to grab a slice of the mass-market pie otherwise they're going to struggle to maintain the Wii as a commercial product.

Or in other words, Nintendo has made the same nine games over and over again for the past few years and of those, Animal Crossing is hardly mass market and a big money spinner.

Sorry Captain Eloquent, I addressed this already though. One liners in future. Gotcha.

Aside from that it's not working, I guess I can't argue with that. You're right, Nintendo should stick to making lifestyle games and kids games and just keep rehashing their main titles for the "Hardcore" gamers who stuck by Nintendo through thick and thin because the ad-men told them to. Bravo.

I can't imagine your fanboy rage will even dent in the face of mere reason and logic so I think it's best if I remove myself from this discussion now, especially as Skills can't ban me from it and I don't want to be accused of feeding the trolls, or indeed the fanboys.

You win this time Captain Nintendo!

http://www.slapyo.com/wp-content/NintendoNerdLord.jpg

This is a really interesting sentence. When you first read it, your brain processes the words but then stops because theres something just not right about it. Its like a goddamned grammical paradox of sorts.

How can you target MORE than what you're targeting at? Doesn't that mean you're aiming at random or firing wildly?

BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN BLUE OCEAN

I'm sure that seemed relevant in your head.

But...but...the Wii is profitable. Maybe it's not from "loyal" gamers alone, but why does it have to be? Nintendo is a business first, and right now it's a money making machine. They've chose a path that has made them all rich, why change it because YOU don't like it?

Also don't really know what marketing tricks you're referring to.

People buying games they like? Unthinkable. But strangely this isn't a Nintendo exclusive phenomenon. Strange that.

Again I fail to understand where you're getting the basis of your arguments from. Oh right! Your jaded personal experience.

The Wii and Nintendo making a SHIT-TON of money. It's selling INCREDIBLY well. The Wii MAKES money from every console sold as opposed to Sony and Microsoft who make a LOSS on every console sold. Software isn't where all the money is made.

You're talking out your ass and with every word you type it's just making it more and more obvious.

Animal Crossing DS sold 9.2 million copies. Again talking out your ass.

If it works (and it does) then all the power to them.

Bravo, you started and left an argument without making a coherent point.

any major announcements happen last night with that developer meeting?

Not more than what you're targeting [now], more than what you have targeted in the past. (?)

I'm posting not to continue the argument, or fling more shit, but in the interest of discussing some of my observations against the one's you've made thus far, Shin.

I think it's that these new customers are still just into buying the "non-games" like Nintendogs, Wii Fit, Wii Sports. Therefore don't Wii Music, and Wii Sport Resort seem like a step in the right direction for the new target audience.


No more than all the people who bought Halo 3, Metal Gear Solid 4, Devil May Cry 4, and will buy Gears of War 2 and Halo Wars. I'm not quite sure about the last part of the statement, cause despite the abysmal performance of the Gamecube, Nintendo made amazing amounts of profit off of it, even with Mario Sunshine being as sub Mario 64 as it was, and the stereotyping of Wind Waker.

I'm just curious here. Do you think that Mario main series games, Zelda games, and Smash bros. are bad games that only those who have been brainwashed will enjoy? Again, i think Nintendo is doing a pretty good job of keeping the new non-gamers hooked with Wii Music, Wii Sport Resort and whatever else they may come up with in the future. Aside from this, they're releasing a Call of Duty game for Wii, as well as a full motion capable light saber game. That's a pretty good step towards drawing in the mainstream. There are many CoD fans, and more Star Wars fans.

Well, re-iterating my point of holding onto the non-gamer market comes in here as well. It's my personal opinion that with Nintendo's new approach to the non-gamers is a great way to remain profitability. Wii has the largest of console market share, and the DS is the most selling platform as of yet. While Nintendo does all this non-game stuff Microsoft is busy trying to implement a TV show access system on Xbox, why? With the existence of TiVo, and free streaming on the internet, i can only imagine it's an attempt to glean more cash from the smaller user base they currently have.

Again, it's not like Twilight Princess was bad. In fact it was fantastic. As was Metroid Prime 3. I haven't played Mario Galaxy yet but i'm excited to do so. Plus my mom and sister (who have always treated video games as swear words) have expressed strong interest in the original Animal Crossing game. I'm pretty sure those two (as non-gamers) could get behind Animal Crossing Wii.


Well, if they up their advertising capabilities i don't think this sounds like a bad strategy at all. Make sure the non-gamers know about the non-games coming for Wii, continue to make high quality Zelda and Metroid games (which i follow "blindly" because i happen to really enjoy them) for the people who want to play them. Plus, don't forget, Wii has rock band, and guitar hero working for them, as well as a few steps towards the mainstream audience.

I'm quote this cause that picture's pretty awesome/hilarious.

please remember, i'm not trying to rile up any more arguments, i'm just curious about some of the points you've made thus far.

That was a damn good job of continuing the argument point by point, Helloween.

I'm honestly just curious. He keeps trying to nail NovaX on being a fanboy with "undentable" loyalty towards a company he thinks is due to go belly-up any day now, but seems to be overlooking some points, purposefully or not, i don't know. Yes i know i've historically been a Nintendo fanboy, but these are some points i'd like to hear his take on. I'm not looking to shit fling, i'm interested in a discussion.

I have absolutely no grasp of economics. I don't now how Nintendo or anyone else's finances are.

But I think that the split focus is a mistake from Nintendo's side. I know that Nintendo has sold an obscene amount of hardware, and that Nintendogs is one of their most popular titles (I know this, because Nintendo keeps saying it. "Hey, remember this game we made two years ago? Wasn't it COOL!?")
However, I keep thinking to myself: How many women ages 30+ buy more than, say, two games a year. Or those girls which fell in love with Nintendogs?

As I see it, we have a large user base, but only, perhaps, 50% buys more games.
So developers can't actually say how many games they'll sell, and thus might use less on them.

I'll repeat this before anyone rips me a new one: I don't know anything about economics and such, so I might be talking crap. If that's the case, please educate me in a civil manner.

Oh look who pops up out of the abyss to point something out. Care to stay for tea and toast or are you moving on?

Here maybe this will help

http://www.bigblah.net/upload/target.png