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KCJ506 Jul 11, 2008 07:21 PM

Punch-Out for the Wii!
 
N-Europe: News: Animal Crossing & Punch-Out!! Wii Detailed

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News: Animal Crossing & Punch-Out!! Wii Detailed

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The latest issue of NGamer reveals information from a secretive source about Animal Crossing Wii and a new installment of Punch-Out!!

Those who purchased last month's issue of NGamer will remember that the British publication teased at the revelation of a new project from Nintendo's internal development teams. We received the latest issue of NGamer this morning, and it offers up some very juicy information indeed. Here's a snippet from their feature about E3 2008...

"And if all goes to plan (and our sources haven't played a mean trick on us), that hands-on coverage will be of Animal Crossing and Punch-Out!! Wii, aka Nintendo's great hopes for 2008."

The article goes on to say that Animal Crossing Wii has been finished for a while, and though it isn't an MMO as suggested by rumours earlier this year, it features heavy use of Wi-Fi sharing (and presumably multiplayer, as in Wild World).

As for Punch-Out!! Wii, NGamer claim that Balance Board implementation is on the cards for dodging and weaving, in addition to Wii Remote and Nunchuk controlled punching (which goes without saying) in the style of Wii Sports Boxing and Rhythm Boxing, which was included as a minigame in Wii Fit.

Stick with N-Europe for E3 next week for quality news and coverage from Nintendo's highly anticipated conference.

Final Fantasy Phoneteen Jul 11, 2008 08:30 PM

The problem with a potential Balance Board Punch-Out!! is that it will be hard for me to throw punches while staying on the board and maintaining the stance I want to keep in the game itself. Not to mention I'll have to fight the urge to step off the board and actually move around.

Still, a new Punch-Out!! would be nice to see.

DJDoeDoe Jul 12, 2008 03:59 PM

Woo! It's about time for another Punch Out!! I would spend hours playing Super Punch Out!! What the Wii Punch Out needs, though, other than somewhat cartoony graphics and simple gameplay is the same disregard for political correctness that it had in making PO!! and SPO!! The reason why the game was so fun wasn't only because you get to beat the shit out of stuff but also because you got to see how each character was colorful in his own unique sort of way. They lampooned everyone from the Japanese to the Italians.

I say they need to have stationary controls, like classic gamepad or GC controller and they MUST include a multiplayer function. The only con to the original two Punch Out games was the inability to beat the shit out of your friends too. The downside to playing a multiplayer match would be choosing characters, which would turn the game from a cartoony boxing game to a fighting game because I'm sure no one wants to beat each other using the exact same characters. It'd get old fast.

I hope they don't feel obligated to make the game full 3D. Part of the charm of the original games was the cartoony graphics, and I'm not sure they'll be able to render that in similar style using 3D graphics.

Krelian Jul 12, 2008 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DJDoeDoe (Post 626155)
I say they need to have stationary controls, like classic gamepad or GC controller and they MUST include a multiplayer function. The only con to the original two Punch Out games was the inability to beat the shit out of your friends too. The downside to playing a multiplayer match would be choosing characters, which would turn the game from a cartoony boxing game to a fighting game because I'm sure no one wants to beat each other using the exact same characters. It'd get old fast.

I hope they don't feel obligated to make the game full 3D. Part of the charm of the original games was the cartoony graphics, and I'm not sure they'll be able to render that in similar style using 3D graphics.

I don't think you understand the point of the Wii

Kostaki Jul 12, 2008 04:34 PM

So essentially we have to buy Wii Fit or at least the balance board first, and then dick around with it to where we learn how to kill ourselves moving from and dodging punches. Not only this, the boxing game in Wii Sports was already sluggish and somewhat uncontrollable to begin with. But to tie those controls to an actual Punch Out!! game?

I'd like to say I'm excited, I really do. At the same time however, I smell another Power Glove fiasco in the making with all these peripherals involved. I hope to God there's some kind of alternate control method involved. If the peripherals actually made the gameplay smooth enough I wouldn't care, but I don't see it happening.

SuperSonic Jul 12, 2008 06:37 PM

It's going to take some getting used to on the Wii balance board. One of the things you're not supposed to do on the balance board is jump on it, so I hope the dodging and ducking doesn't require you to get off the board in order to dodge. If this is a game where I need to use quick movements to dodge, then that poor board is going to die real quick.

Since this seems to be a Nintendo exclusive, why not have Mario play the role of referee again?

surasshu Jul 12, 2008 09:27 PM

The boxing thing in Wii Fit is actually handled extremely well, so I hope (and kinda expect) it's based off that. It works with stepping off the board forward or backward, quite clever stuff really. When I played it I actually thought it would make a pretty decent full game, so if they handle it well, it could very well be something I'll get.

DJDoeDoe Jul 12, 2008 09:29 PM

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I don't think you understand the point of the Wii
I guess I did totally disregard the idea of the Wii, but come on! Stick all that active Wii jumping around and waving your arms and you have a game that is going to be very difficult to pull off convincingly, especially because the bar of quality has previously been set by two killer (traditional!) games. One flaw in the controls, especially if the only way is to play it with the balance board or wtf, and you've got yourself a bomb. There's already five billion different configurations for the Wii, so have some options! And why does every game for the Wii have to have a stupid gimmick to go along with it?

MrMonkeyMan Oct 2, 2008 01:27 AM

Hey, there's some conference in Japan and some video with lots of games in it (like 5 seconds of each game).

Video with lots of games in it.

Images taken from video.

http://www.mrmonkeyman.com/images/punchout1.jpg http://www.mrmonkeyman.com/images/punchout2.jpg http://www.mrmonkeyman.com/images/punchout3.jpg

Krelian Oct 2, 2008 06:28 AM

Holy shit, lots of games in that clip I want to know more about.

And the animation in Punch-Out is fucking AMAZING.

surasshu Oct 2, 2008 07:26 AM

Who the fuck cares about Punch Out? Was that a sequel to Another Code?!

Anyway, that Punch-out clip looks hilarious and awesome-lookin'. Definitely a game on my must-probably-buy list.

Fluffykitten McGrundlepuss Oct 2, 2008 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by DJDoeDoe (Post 626223)
And why does every game for the Wii have to have a stupid gimmick to go along with it?

Because if the Wii tried to compete with the PS3 and 360 on anything other than silly gimmicks and "Unique" control systems, nobody would ever have bought one. The Wii is the gimmic console, this is news to nobody. It does that very well though, certainly well enough to have created a pretty big userbase. Whether people will be willing to pay full price for a boxing game when you get one in both WiiFit and Wii Sports remains to be seen and I suspect that except for nostalgia fans, the answer will be no. Multiplayer would help but of all the people I know who own a Wii, I can't think of a single one who plays online at present.

I think of more interest from the Nintendo conference so far is the new model DS and the release of SD cards for the Wii.

Infernal Monkey Oct 2, 2008 08:24 AM

http://www.onlineplayer.jp/modules/t...4c46faf3e2.jpg

http://www.onlineplayer.jp/modules/t...2_punch_02.jpg

http://www.onlineplayer.jp/modules/t...2_punch_04.jpg

http://www.onlineplayer.jp/modules/t...2_punch_03.jpg

:cmb:

They've pretty much nailed the look of the characters, but I hope the ring isn't always that dark!

NovaX Oct 2, 2008 10:30 AM

My gut churns when I have see Shin has replied to a thread concerning Nintendo. This one wasn't too bad though, there were some positive points, although they're thinly veiled insults, but hey.

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Whether people will be willing to pay full price for a boxing game when you get one in both WiiFit and Wii Sports remains to be seen and I suspect that except for nostalgia fans, the answer will be no.
There's definitely a discernable difference between Wii Boxing and Punch-Out (assuming, of course, it follows the same ol' Punch-Out structure.). There's ALOT more strategy to Punch-Out, it's not just about flailing your arms about. It's a game as opposed to a mode or side-game. I think there's definitely an appeal for a deeper, more focused, strategised boxing game.

Still it's Punch-Out, whether I'm pushing a button or swinging my arms, it's still a whole lot of fun. Assuming they don't somehow totally break the game, this is a purchase for me.

Infernal Monkey Oct 2, 2008 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by NovaX (Post 649255)
it's Punch-Out

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map car man words telling me to do things Oct 2, 2008 02:34 PM

Gametrailers has the debut trailer up, animation looks rad.

surasshu Oct 2, 2008 03:52 PM

Looks good! Awesome saxophone! Does anyone know who is developing this?

Torte Oct 3, 2008 08:27 PM

Yeah, hopefully the spectators aren't too cast out

NovaX Oct 3, 2008 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by surasshu (Post 649304)
Looks good! Awesome saxophone! Does anyone know who is developing this?

Next Level Games. The guys who did the Mario Strikers games.

Zergrinch Oct 3, 2008 09:22 PM

http://www.onlineplayer.jp/modules/t...2_punch_02.jpg

Is this chap supposed to be Glass Joe?

MuppeTFuckeR Oct 3, 2008 09:56 PM

^^

I think it's Glass Joe, when you give him the K.O. punch he spews out French Croissants and Glass Joe was French. The other dude looks like Von Kaiser.

Zergrinch Oct 3, 2008 10:21 PM

Yeah, Von Kaiser and King Hippo are pretty identifiable. I wonder if they'd keep Mike Tyson in there, or put in whoever's the world heavyweight champion in the game.

I was unsure whether the fellow was Glass Joe or Don Flamenco, really.

Enter User Name Oct 3, 2008 10:34 PM

I have no interest in this. It looks like a remake to me. I've played Punch-Out a hundred times, why do I need to play a remake? I wish they would do something new with it, there is a lot of potential of great new stuff, but it doesn't appear they are going for anything new with this.

value tart Oct 3, 2008 10:49 PM

You have obviously never played Punch-Out.

The added feature of punching people using the remote is an improvement, because you then look LESS stupid for making the punching motion anyway.

Seriously, it's Punch-Out.

SERIOUSLY.

MuppeTFuckeR Oct 3, 2008 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Zergrinch (Post 649637)
I wonder if they'd keep Mike Tyson in there, or put in whoever's the world heavyweight champion in the game.

Personally I would love it they brought back Mike but there's no way that's gonna happen.
Spoiler:
Lennox Lewis was the last champ that people cared about but he's retired and now there's Wladimir Klitschko but he's not as well known. It'd be cool if they had Muhammad Ali in as the final fight, he's the only one who has better quotes then Tyson.

SuperSonic Oct 3, 2008 11:42 PM

No referee Mario? :(

Damn, this will be a day one buy for me when it's released in the US. The graphics are awesome and that updated version of the Bout Theme is making me drool.

Crash "Long-Winded Wrong Answer" Landon Oct 4, 2008 12:13 AM

What would be truly awesome is if they brought back popular opponents from both Punch Out games. The prospect of having Don Flamenco, King Hippo, Soda Popinski, Dragon Chan, Mad Clown and Narcis Prince all in one game is gleeful. A slew of new opponents would be grand also, else it will feel too old hat.

Ideally, the last foes should be the Bruiser Bros. from SPO. They were pretty cool and were designed with just the right amount of challenge - neither was overwhelmingly simple nor difficult to overcome. That's how the game should feel, balanced right to the end.

Also, a boxing kangaroo as a new opponent would be the greatest thing ever.

Jurassic Park Chocolate Raptor Oct 4, 2008 03:27 AM

Fuck that, I won't be satisfied unless there's a Teleroboxer cameo.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j7...eroboxer-2.jpg

YEAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH MACHINE GUN PUNCH

SuperSonic Feb 27, 2009 12:37 PM

Punch-Out!! for the Wii will be released on May 18th of this year!

Source: Welcome to Nintendo of America's Media Site

Paco Feb 27, 2009 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Zergrinch (Post 649637)
I wonder if they'd keep Mike Tyson in there, or put in whoever's the world heavyweight champion in the game.

I doubt it. The game WAS originally developed as Mike Tyson's Punch-Out but by 1990 the license to use Tyson in the game had expired and Nintendo just didn't renegotiate a new one. They just replaced him with Mr. Dream and re-released the game which is what I assume they're going to do here.

But seriously. It's fucking Punch-Out!! Love it or hate it, the game is fucking awesome.

NovaX Mar 4, 2009 01:22 AM

Well they're throwing Classic controls into the game as well as motion-sensitive ones.

GoNintendo
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Control options:

* Motion Control (Wii Remote and Nunchuk controllers)
Punch-Out!! uses the Wii Remote and Nunchuk controllers to simulate throwing punches. Use the Nunchuk to throw a left punch and the Wii Remote to throw a right punch.

* Classic Control (Wii Remote NES™ style)
Fans of the NES version and core gamers will be excited to see Nintendo has also included the option to play Punch-Out!! using the classic layout from the original NES controller. Use the 1 and 2 buttons along with the cross pad to throw hooks and jabs or to dodge.
Also it looks like it's just going to be a remake with different boxers and such. While it's nice to hear the Punch-Out gameplay won't be touched too much, it's sort of sad they didn't try something new with it.

KCJ506 Mar 20, 2009 07:32 PM

Color me less than excited about this game right now.

Nintendo: New Wii Punch-Out!! Details Sneak Out From Nintendo

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The Wii re-imagining of the NES classic Punch-Out!! will come with a new two-player mode and see the return of more well-known old-school boxers, according to information released by Nintendo of Europe.

According to a press release from the publisher's web site, which has since been pulled, Punch-Out!! for the Wii supports "1-2 players."

Nintendo's release describes that mode like so: "Punch-Out!! includes a multiplayer mode that lets you and a friend slug it out to the bitter end. As in the single player mode, you'll want to land punches at the right moment to build up Star Punch points that translate into almighty haymakers! Landing and dodging blows in Head-to-Head mode also builds up a Giga Mac gauge. Once full, your fighter is ready to inflict some serious damage."

While we knew that Bronx-born boxer Little Mac and his trainer Doc Louis will go up against Punch-Out!! vets Glass Joe, King Hippo, and Von Kaiser, Nintendo confirms that Spanish boxer Don Flamenco will also return. The roster totals 13, according to the company, meaning there are nine more fighters still to be officially revealed. That includes the unnamed boxer who appears on the Wii game's box art.

Seriously....13 opponents? Super Punch-Out had 16. Sounds more like a lazy ass remake of the original.

Glass Joe
Von Kaiser
Piston Honda
Don Flamaco
King Hippo
Great Tiger
Bald Bull
Soda Popinski
Mr. Sandman
Super Macho Man
Mr. Dream + 2 more?

I really was looking forward to a nice long single player mode with a healthy mix of old and new boxers. I figured they would put in at least 32 (or twice as many as Super Punch out on the SNES, three console generations ago). Even something like at least 20 would have been okay, if not spectacular. But 13? Just two more boxers than the NES version? (One less if you count P. Honda, B. Bull and D. Flamenco twice).

I hope there's more to the story than this. Are the fights significantly longer than the NES version? Will some of the 13 fighters return like the three mentioned above? If something like this is the case, Nintendo should let it be known as soon as possible.

Maybe I'm overreacting, and if I am I apologize. But after waiting 15 years for a new Punch Out!!, you'd think they'd be more ambitious than 13 opponents. What if Nintendo tried to put out a new Zelda game for the Wii that was just as long as the NES Version, except with two more dungeons? How about a new Mario game that was as long/short as the NES version, except with two new levels?

Okay, I think I got it out of my system. Sorry for the ranting.

SuperSonic Mar 23, 2009 10:25 PM

A new trailer and a new character introduced.

Check out what Mac is still using after all these years.

Worm Mar 23, 2009 10:36 PM

You mean what he's not using, right? Because someone stole it? Is that the joke you're making? :rolleyes:

I hope this game has some surprises, because I don't know why anyone would pay for the same old mechanics with a 3D sheen. I'll get the original on the Virtual Console for my nostalgia kicks; thanks.

SuperSonic Apr 12, 2009 09:57 AM

Here's a trailer with a minute and 11 seconds of the same stuff previously, then after that they show off the multiplayer gameplay.

Punch-Out!! Multiplayer Trailer

Zergrinch Apr 12, 2009 10:13 AM

Haha pink jumpsuit still there.

Is Mario still the referee?

NovaX May 3, 2009 04:41 AM

First review is gooooood.

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Originally Posted by ONM UK
This could so easily have been a failure. When developer Next Level Games (responsible for Mario sports games like Mario Tennis and Mario Strikers Charged Football) were given the task of bringing back one of Nintendo's most beloved cult franchises, it could have been so easy to mess it up. Especially when the series in question is Punch Out!!.

Had it been too tricky, the vast majority of Wii owners would have been put off. Like it or not, the Wii's audience is very different from that back in the days of the SNES and NES. Had it been too easy, though, the game would have certainly upset the hardcore Nintendo gamers; long time fans who have been waiting upwards of 14 years for a new Punch Out!! to emerge. This is a tricky tightrope to cross, and yet Next Level Games have done it with ease. On a unicycle. While juggling fire.

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Pros:
+ Looks absolutely incredible
+ Boxers ooze character
+ Classic Punch Out!! gameplay
+ Easy for n00bs, hard for pros

Cons:
- Multiplayer mode is weak

Overall:
The best Punch Out!! game yet. Accessible for newcomers, but a real challenge for experts.

Total Score: 91% (Gold Award)

Best Punch Out!! yet? We'll have to see about that.

Paco May 3, 2009 01:08 PM

Yeah, I'm a little skeptical of such fellating reviews myself but if it's half as good as they make it out to be it'll still be worth a purchase.

Miles May 3, 2009 01:25 PM

I want me some punch out but 50 dollars is too steep for me for a game that only throws you against 13 fighters. Why couldn't this game be 30 dollars too? =\

Oh well... rental at best! Or I'll buy it from the bargain bin.

NovaX May 4, 2009 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Miles (Post 699990)
I want me some punch out but 50 dollars is too steep for me for a game that only throws you against 13 fighters. Why couldn't this game be 30 dollars too? =\

In the review (which now most of it has been removed) they mention that once you beat the games main Exhibition mode against the 13 fighters in "World A" the "World B" opens up. In World B all the character have revised strategies and act almost like completely new characters. The example given in the review is Glass Joe gets a helmet so now hits to the head are no longer effective against him.

So it does sound like they've actually tried to provide a worthy experience for the price.

KCJ506 May 4, 2009 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Miles (Post 699990)
I want me some punch out but 50 dollars is too steep for me for a game that only throws you against 13 fighters. Why couldn't this game be 30 dollars too? =\

Oh well... rental at best! Or I'll buy it from the bargain bin.



Well according to a review of the game it's more like 26 opponents. Once you beat the normal mode you get a mode called "Title Defender Mode." In this mode the opponents are harder and have tougher patterns.

The review was talking about how in this mode Glass Joe goes to the doctor and the doctor tells him about his glass jaw(his weakness), so he gets a headgear and blows to the head won't effect him. They also say he sometimes fakes his punches causes them to dodge at the wrong time. The result.......they actually LOST to Glass Joe.

If Glass Joe is actually capable of being tough in that mode, then I'm terrified to see how tough the later opponents are.

Infernal Monkey May 10, 2009 07:18 AM


dagget May 10, 2009 06:40 PM

Punch Out

Piston Honda (Hondo?), Great Tiger and Title Defense Glass Joe and King Hippo

Title Defense King Hippo will probably make me want to throw the wiimote.

Zip May 10, 2009 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Infernal Monkey (Post 701125)

ahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaahahahahahaahaahha

that is perfect, cuz the dude is a irl boxer, paulia maligsomething, he's good but super weak ,couldnt knock out a fly. hahaha

Zergrinch May 10, 2009 08:30 PM

Enjoyed the movies. I guess it's confirmed Mario ain't the referee this time.

How the heck are you supposed to defeat manhole cover Hippo? o.O

SuperSonic May 10, 2009 09:06 PM

Their website is up at Punch-Out!!. It plays the music from the trailers in the background and gives a showing of the revealed fighters thus far. Click on their stats to see them in action against Little Mac. Be sure to click on Doc in the lower left for a little nostalgia. XD

Also, I wasn't expecting characters from Super Punch Out!! as well.

dagget May 11, 2009 08:58 PM

You know I dunno if it was mentioned or not, but watching some of these videos I've noticed something about the music. The punch out theme changes with who you're fighting against. Like the music during Great Tiger was the PO theme done with an Indian/Hindu style. Von Kaiser's battle had a German-inspired version (from the videos of the Von Kaiser fight I saw on IGN earlier). I think that's kind of cool and makes me wonder how each fighter's music is going to sound.

BTW on the French Amazon site there is a video for Punch Out that shows other fighters in action, one which wiki says confirms Aran Ryan for the game (some dude with a piece of shit trailer trash mullet and rat tail was shown fighting)

edit: Great Tiger added to the official page.

BloodyBandage May 14, 2009 05:13 PM

Animation for Punchout looks top notch. I'm a bit weary about the balance board as well, but to dodge you will be using the controller, pressing left and right. To throw a high punch you will simply push up and then throw a punch; sounds like they are giving more consistency/control to the movements while allowing the fun of the Wii motion to revolutionize this franchise.

dagget May 17, 2009 11:08 PM

Spoiler:
YouTube Video
Donkey Kong as fighter #14 wtf? Could be more unlockable fighters?

Crash "Long-Winded Wrong Answer" Landon May 17, 2009 11:25 PM

But they still haven't revealed Mr. Sandman.

Or - if there is a God above - Dragon Chan and Narcis Prince.

dagget May 18, 2009 03:36 AM

Sandman was announced. He's the final bout champ.

Sandman Wii Footage

If he wasn't officially announced, 1up dropped the ball and listed him in their review.

Drakken May 20, 2009 11:16 PM

Anyone else pick this up? I played through the main Contender mode last night and really enjoyed it. Next Level did a fantastic job of retaining the classic Punch-Out!! feel while updating certain aspects (mainly presentation-wise). Let me say that it is in no way a lazy remake as some may have thought it would be. The returning characters don't have the same exact moves (though they are similar), and you have to get used to new timings. Plus, after you beat the main game you unlock Title Defense mode, in which all the characters have new punches/quirks and are thus much tougher. That's what I'm working my way through now. I actually lost to Glass Joe the first time I fought him in this mode. :-/


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