Chrono Trigger DS - Retards complaining about a new optional ending. Fun inside!
 

News from 07.01.08

Rumors confirmed!!! Chrono Trigger DS is real!!!

Countdown Site


From Gonintendo.com

http://gonintendo.com/wp-content/pho...701_358725.jpg

Kotaku has a article now too, but a single cropped image of a supposed JUMP scan didn't exactly thrill me enough to mention it. I mean, I hope it's true but there isn't much to discuss right now until someone finds the magazine and at least scans the entire page.

Rumor: Chrono Trigger Might Be Coming To Nintendo DS

Hm. Well, I'm guardedly excited for another classic port. Sure, it will be a direct port from the PSX version with a few DS things tossed in, but hey. At least it's one way to be sure Square is giving us a good game for a change.


Right?

Well, we could hope for reduced load times from the PSX version, right?

Man, every time there's some big announcement from a magazine, real or fake, the worlds shittiest ever photos and scans hit the internet.

DUCKWING DUCK CONFIRMED FOR GAME BOY?!

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y13...p/bort/dwd.jpg

I hope both rumours are true!

I will cream my shorts the minute this is confirmed. That is all.

You and about millions of gamers all over the world including myself. Ever since Square wrote Cease and Desist letters to the fan-made games, I've been curious to see a 3D remake of Chrono Trigger for quite a while.

It's like Duke Nukem Forever, it's barely mentioned in a magazine and the hype for the series is reborn.

Yeah, looks like this is actually happening.

In before Nomura redesigns the characters and this turns to shit.

What? But I still haven't beaten that port of Mother yet!

Lucca's hat is begging for zippers.

This is fantastic. Like most of the world I've been waiting for a Chrono Trigger remake to be announced since the GBA was launched, and had pretty much given up. Now if we can just get a remake of the NES Darkwing Duck game this will be the greatest week ever.

Dammit Crash. Got me (more) excited.

This is awesome news. Looking forward to some details, specifically whether this is simply a port or if they'll be enhancing it in any way.

Of course they'll be enhancing it, Drakken! They'll update it with all the best PSX-era polygons and texture maps they can find!

Can't wait to see Frog's box hands!

Probably just add a new summon whose sprite was ripped from FF5... oh wait, they already did that for FF6 GBA!

But seriously, it's at least somewhat exciting. As long as they add something new and a redone translation it'd at least be worth replaying.

Wow. Okay, if you're going to be smarmy, here's a quick lesson: Make sure your sarcastic analogy makes sense. Since there are no summons in CT, you managed to fail. Really badly. And in public.

Sorry.

Way to overreact to a joke shot at their extra content records for ports. It was just a joke about how ff6 only added two new summons ripped straight out of FF4 and 5. Why can't we all get along?

Edit: Also, just a direct response to them "enhancing" the port from the post right above me. It's all in good fun to poke at their "enhancements". I was basically saying they'd probably just add something as equally lazy into the game, not literally a summon, dood. :(

Countdown Site
lol wut

in all seriousness after seeing that i'm actually kind of excited, but kind of scared. i'm really hoping if it is going to be a port to the ds, they aren't going to try to "touch it up" like they did with ff4, i hated those freaking graphics.

Oh gawd. As if the DS needs more shit to boast.

I just came. Two weeks worth of good news. First Price is Right for the Wii, then Mega Man 9, and now THIS. Of course, the news of Chrono Trigger on the DS is just freaking epic. I'm willing to bet this version will also have voices. You have to wonder if they'll give Crono a voice just for the battle sounds.

Excellent. I may have to buy one of these DS babies instead of a PSP. (Or, hope that emulation progresses nicely on the NDS).

Still waiting for Secret of Mana and Seiken Densetu 3 ports.

Please remember when you're not posting on 4chan that it helps to bring your brain. Thanks.

Your brother in Christ,
Denicalis


Also, in before the speculation hits the fan because the RPG Forum kiddies come in swinging their LARP swords and yelling about how this is either the very best thing to ever happen to video games, or the very worst.

I'm giving it twenty posts before someone compares it to nazis.

it sucks because the sound is not the original 183.24kbs and because i don't hav a ds and this dilutes the masterpiece that is chrono trigger crono is the best character ever but i kinda wish nomura fixes those designs they look so generic

Lavos will be in 3D. AWESOME, YEAH?

Yes. Lavos will be rendered by the DS as a massive polygonal mess. So looking forward to it. =D

Man I freaked out when I saw the SE teaser page.

It's exciting, but not that exciting. Even if a port, Chrono Trigger was generally one of the better games, and not a game that they have re-released to death (only to near-death) so at least we can appreciate it.

Or, maybe they'll redo it in that god-awful "3D" mess, have a hit JPOP star do a single, and include scenes with Serge to "connect" to Chrono Cross.

Also, if Chrono Trigger is getting released, I'm sure we'll see Super Mario RPG for sure.

Okay. Why?

If it's the PSX version then they're already there. Not with Serge, but Lucca finding Kid as a baby.

Any enhancement of Chrono Trigger will probably have to flesh out Schala as more pivotal character, seeing as how she was pasted on to the final boss of the sequel :p

Our world of creators don't seem to be very creative.

I fucking just got goosebumps. :D

Stop asking questions, you bumblefuck. You're not enlightened like the Evenstar and the answers will come only when we need to know them. Carry on.

This really is the sort of thing i hold out for in terms of video gaming. I would be alot more excited about this if it weren't for all the Dragon Quest remakes coming around, and the Final Fantasy remakes etc. I'm always hoping that the Chrono series in general will get a revival, but it looks like this is just another "Hay guyz, this game made lots of money then, let's do it again" thing.

Oh well, i'll probably still buy it.

So fucking preordered.

Definitely rather excited for this. I'm not quite as massive a CT fan as some other people, but I did really enjoy the game when I got around to playing it on ROMs a fair few years back. So yeah, hopefully a remake is heading to the DS.

Figured I'd just throw in the press release link since it hasn't been posted here yet: CHRONO TRIGGER Returns! The Timeless Classic Teleports to Nintendo DS This Holiday Season: Financial News - Yahoo! Finance *whomp whomp official*

• brand new dungeon
• wireless play
• hey, the DS has two screens
• and you can touch it

Holiday aka Christmas season 2008. Yay.

Hahah!!! lol. I mean I just never thought CT would be re-released for DS. And since Nintendo was also behind SMRPG, don't you think that is possible now more than ever?

As a VC release, yes, as its scheduled for Japan.

Comparing it to
 

Now this is what I'm talking about! =D
A port that takes advantage of both screens and keeps the original graphics intact.
Zippers nowhere in sight is an additional plus.
I just can't wait!
Surely, this bodes well for another Chrono title in the future.
!*(&%^ing fantastic! =))))

It's keeping the original graphics intact? No update at all? Alright Square, if you can give us this:



And this:



Then why the fuck can you not give us THIS?!



Maybe not in that good of quality, but it seems that Square-Enix only cares about giving special treatment to its Final Fantasy titles. Honestly, I hope Square releases some screenshots that prove the original graphics rumor false.

Hey, it's not going to stop me from buying this game but it's sad that fans of the game put more effort into fan-made Chrono games than Square does into its own.

Frankly, if Square HAD to update the graphics to Chrono Trigger, I'd rather they not emulate the look of Final Fantasy 3 and 4 DS.

To be fair the in-game graphics of the original FF3 and 4 were chibi-esque. Chrono Trigger was not and I wouldn't expect them to do that big headed style.

It would have been pretty sweet if they had been able to capture Amano's artstyle though. That would definitely take a lot of work.

True, I'll give you both that. I was just expecting a little more than touch screen support. I have no clue what they have in store for wireless, though.

With a port to the DS, I really don't care about any graphical polish. It's a port.

If they were doing a remake and it were for the DS, yeah, I'd be butt hurt. Why? Because I'd want the game on a freaking console.

Wonder if they'll FINALLY release the damn thing in Europe.

I mean... It's the best damn game they ever made. And what happens? It NEVER got released over here. NEVER. Not Trigger, not the PS1 Port, not Cross.
And this one again has just a US / JP date. Up to know of course, but given the (inexistant) history of the series over here, that doesn't bode well.

A) No it isn't.

B) Import.

Yeah, yeah. I know. Importing this one is fianlly an option without having to mod the platform beforehand.
Still... I'd just like to see the series finally making the jump over the pond...

Well, can't blame you. Europe gets boned pretty hard.

(largely posting for the inside nerd humour of Shadowrun following Earthdawn.)

Not a rumor. It's on the press release (Yahoo Business link) posted a page or so back.

I hope it's not touchscreen heavy, I don't really like using it that much.

I dunno, it is Square-Europdoesn'texist and everything. They probably won't release it a third time round to keep with tradition~

But at least this version won't require a dodgy Action Replay/region switch cart or mod chip to play! :guitarist:

Incidentally - and I'm just curious, here - but would you consider it one of the better games out there, or is it completely passable?

Because I always considered CT to be one of my personal favorites, if not the "best game ever" kind of deal.

I'd call CT one of the best ever. Definitely of its generation, at least.

Jesus christ, DO NOT PREEMPTIVELY INVOKE GODWIN'S LAW.

Listening to Lavos roar in awesome DS sound = :D

I'm really excited about this, too. Chrono Trigger is one of the best RPGs I've ever played, and seeing it appreciated with such fanfare 13 years after its initial release makes me quite happy. I still think that they should make a spin off featuring Robo becoming a total badass and turning on all the humans (and frogs, perhaps). Bitchin'.

But yeah this should be totally awesome!

If he'd given it a little bit over 40 posts he'd have been right. :3:

I didn't want to say it first for fear of getting a thrashing. I wonder if Squarenix would ever consider recreating Radical Dreamers? That would something i'd be interested in playing. I know that Chrono Cross incorporated RD into it's storyline, they did change things after all.

Hate to kill your speculation (well, no, not really), but I wouldn't get your hopes up for other games in light of Square porting Chrono Trigger.

More detail from Square president, no more non-mainstream games allowed.

If you look at the strategy, it's them saying "Hey! Chrono Trigger was successful! Let's do something that won't demand too much development money that will have a high chance of profit!" There's nothing wrong with wanting to turn a profit, but bear in mind that it's also going to smash your speculation attempts at "What if Square redid that one game that led to another game that was a really huge fucking disappointment?"

What the hell is Square doing. That's ridiculous.

Squarenix really is the abusive spouse who keeps beating his loyal wife... i mean fans. And we keep going back for more, believing every time that he can change, and things will be different than before.

Why did i have to enjoy substance and creativity in video games? Why couldn't i just be a sports and ports fan like the rest of the world?

Wait wait... you just asked for a remake of Radical Dreamers... a REMAKE, the antithesis of "creating." And suddenly you're harping on about substance?

Jesus Christ.

You are aware of what Radical Dreamers was right? A text based game that was released on Satellaview. If any game needs a recreation (note i didn't say remake) it's that one. The only reason i'd want that game to be recreated is to flesh out Magus' story, as he's the character we should be looking to to continue the story.

They are attempting to turn a profit in an industry wherein the most reliable way to do that is to bank on your old material and repackage it.

But oh! This is the INTERNET. People making money are frowned upon. Forgive me, I forgot, I should be demonizing Square for rereleasing a game on a system that kids ages 10-14 are almost guaranteed to have. Forgive me for wanting a new generation of kids that age to have the same experience with CT that I did at my age. The experience that got me addicted to JRPGs in the first place.

I'm sorry, I forgot that children today are not allowed to play OUR games, because they're OURS and they're SACRED. We have to give them watered down rehashes like Pokemon Mystery Dungeon, stand there approvingly, and go "Do you like it? Well, if you like it, then spend some money on a SNES and buy Crono Trigger! It's only good on the SNES!"

Jesus christ, it's like Scientology. Make you feel like shit, and propose that the way to not feel like shit is, in turn, a real cheap but obviously incomplete first day, then progressively more expensive and more mentally demanding days, until you're a giant useless lump of shit that gets molded by whatever God Atlus tells you to do, blindly blathering on to anyone who'll listen about how your religion genre is without letting anybody find out for themselves without paying the ridiculous gobs of cash that you did.

Fuck you, Tom Cruise.

First of all, trying to play semantics with "Recreation" and "Remake?" You don't honestly believe those terms don't represent the same principle, do you? Seriously.

Again, you're talking about Square doing things they've *GASP*, already done.

In my ideal future, including Radical Dreamers v. 2.0, i would have Square set the stage for the Chrono Series to actually become a presence in the current world of video games once again, and *gasp* maybe even give way for Chrono Break to finally happen.

And as for semantics, ok, i'll admit you can use those two words interchangeably, but if any game needs to be remade to become valid it's RD. Give it animations, a world to explore, and hell, actually make it an RPG. Re-write the story if need be. Make it possible for there to be more in the Chrono storyline. That's all i'm saying.

Stop trying to come up with ways to dodge the fact that you want S-E to do with Radical Dreamers the exact same thing you're getting mad at them for doing with Chrono Trigger.

Uh, you guys forget that a company can be creative and create new games and do the occasional remake. It's not a mutually-exclusive thing, here. I know that Square Enix overdoes the re-release/remake department, but Christ, those used to be kind of interesting.

As for the news, it makes me want to never support Square Enix again. Seriously, they just keep fucking up worse and worse.

Edit: Well, to be fair, I don't know exactly what is meant by "circle of interest"; the post can be read as "continue to make the shit we've been making" or "stop making that shit and make something the customers want". So I'm gonna shut my fucking trap for right now.

Your point is entirely valid, but I think the reason people are getting up in arms with this particular remake is because of this maddening expectation that Square-Enix was going to continue a series that never sold well beyond the first installment. They made Chrono Cross, and while that game was pretty good, it sold like dicks on Herpes Lane. Can you blame them for going back to the original?

Additional Spam:
Have you played TWEWY?

No. I avoided it more or less because I don't read gaming magazines and I saw it held the developer "Square Enix". I'm beginning to think I might have miscalculated, though, considering I just read the comments on the linked article and everyone is going crazy over it.

Square Enix usually sucks, though, so I forgive myself for perhaps overlooking a (possibly) good game. Can you blame me?

You know, I'm not going to say "OMG, IT WAS TEH BAD!", but you're exaggerating CC's quality and the way it was received. It was heralded as the best thing since Jesus when it first came out, it was only later where all the cool kids looked at it with disdain.

Yes, I can, and I will. If you're going to out of hand reject a game just because of the name on the box without viewing any comments, reviews, previews, or videos of the game, then you are a moron.

Don't get me wrong, I'm fully of the view that Square-Enix dips into its own well a few too many times and sometimes shits in the well and tries to present a shiny turd as if it were amazing just because it has that temporary gloss from the "good water" (see, incidentally, the PS1 port of Chrono Trigger). I am too proud of this runon sentence to change it. Bite me, grammar nazis.

But that doesn't exclude anything they ever do from being good just by default.

Additional Spam:
I recall seeing that, while it sold well here, it actually sold a lot less than expected in Japan. Also, thank you for quoting that post, I meant to say "pretty good" rather than "really good".

Considering their track record is 1 in, like, five years, then being a moron has been working pretty well thus far.

But regardless, you're right. I'll look into the god damn game.

None of us can really account for the Japanese game. Their version of Chrono Trigger as well as Cross are entirely different affairs from a writing standpoint. Considering what is lost in translation and such, Cross had an entire script text made so that the same lines from multiple characters would come out with just different "accents." The Japanese version, if I recall correctly, doesn't suffer (or maybe suffer as much) from this problem.

In any case, I don't think Hachifusa was actually sticking his nose up at The World Ends with You intentionally. There are many companies out there that I don't actively have an interest in, and since games cost money that I don't have oozing out of my eye sockets, I too often pass up games that might not necessarily be developed by a company I'd normally "trust."

I've gone out of my way to buy games I had a bad feeling about but wanted to give a chance, and you know what? Generally, I get disappointed rather than pleasantly surprised. There's nothing wrong with trusting your gut, and it isn't like The World Ends with You is a perfect game, either.

So apparently there are two screenshots.

http://www.gamekyo.com/Webmasters/Im...0508_0_big.jpg

I just realized something... there's potential to fuck with the original translation.

Fuck.

So, ignoring the bitching about how Squeenix doesn't know from cool, I'd like to bring up the fact that this will possibly have voice overs. Speculation:

Charlie Chaplin or George Carlin for Chrono. If neither of them is available, Kevin Smith.

Capcom and Sega push out a lot of crap and rehashes too but they still do occasionally churn out some gems, Square is the same way. (Hell, Capcom is a lot worse imo but yeah, just my opinion.)

I'm just going to have to agree that it's pretty dumb to avoid a game entirely just because of the developer's name on the box . Honestly, it doesn't take a whole lot of effort (or time) to view an article or two, or a trailer at gametrailers, or even just wait until it's out and check out all the reviews to get a handle on how the game plays.

No, you've probably missed a few other good games because of this mindset too. Just saying. Maybe not even from Square (though that's still possible too), but from other companies in general.

Edit: Also, the sort of point I was trying to make (poorly, I'll give you that) is the company name means absolutely nothing. Large companies like SE have tons of smaller development teams (TWEWY was developed by "Jupiter", actually) and thus quality will fluctuate pretty wildly. Basically, "Jupiter" is something to keep your eyes on in the future I guess, because they made a quality game.

To fling some more old shit, i never said i had anything against the port of Chrono Trigger. In fact i'm supporting that decision. What my original nickers twister was this.

I want them to remake Radical Dreamers because i never played it, and i think it could be remade into something that would give the series a shot in the arm.

Those screens look exactly the same as the original. I mean, I knew it was a port, but c'mon, couldn't they have at least added a glossier sheen to the goddam graphics!? Oh well.

The second screenshot has words emblazoned over it that reads, "This is... where!?" As if anyone doesn't understand that basic plot of CT these days.

I've been wondering why I've been crucified about this, and then I realized I didn't make something clear.

I haven't intentionally avoided anything. I didn't slam reviews away because "OH NO SQUARE ENIX". I said I don't regularly read gaming mags, and when I do I tend to glance through them. But sometimes I do read them. Even games I know probably won't be too good (i.e. Kingdom Hearts II) I'll read through, because the name is recognizable and its' not hard to read a few paragraphs of text.

I also want to make clear that I did like FFXII, so I was just saying generically that Square Enix tends to make bad games these days, and the phrases I was using (1 in five years) wasn't meant to be literal (Christ in heaven).

What it was with TWEWY is not that I intentionally avoided it because it was Square Enix but that I guess I completely missed the hype or something because I just saw, "Oh, generic RPG title from Square Enix on the DS". C'MON GUYS. That's not exactly their shining area, the handheld systems. Not to mention the one screenshot I remember (and the image I keep picturing, actually) involved two teenage looking kids with weird zippers.

So I don't have this RABID anti-Square Enix stance. I just saw a game that, in line with all areas (generically bad producer, Nomura-esque characters, DS game) I didn't pay much attention to, though I'll look into it now.

Look, you will get whatever the hell Squeenix decides you'll get. Whining and bitching about what might/might not be included is fucking retarded because they don't fucking care what you want to see. People will buy the game on name recognition alone, and Squeenix will reap a lot of money for minimal effort. You are not a cog in the wheel. Quit your squeaking because you're not gonna get any oil here.

One of two games will be made:

1) A faithful port: The translations are left as is, the graphics are kept intact. Nothing is added because there's no need, people will buy it anyhow.

Result: Half the gamer base is outraged because it will have been thirteen years since CT was originally released; you'd think (huff!) that they could've added something! It's not like the capacity wasn't there and why should only the newer generation experience something new?

2) An updated adventure: The game will feature enhanced graphics, altered scripts and new secrets/features, bringing the game closer to the original developers' original vision.

Result: Half the gamer base is outraged because HOW DARE YOU mess with a classic! There was enough game there for newer fans to enjoy already. God, what's wrong with Squeenix, always tampering, always spoiling an otherwise proven formula? That's how they fucked up FFIV.

Either way, there will be both rejoicing and complaining. So who cares what the end product is until it actually comes out? It's fucking Chrono Trigger, one way or the other. If you don't like what Squeenix releases, just play the ROM like everyone else has for the past decade.

Hell, just play it now. Fuck Squeenix.

Without the incredibly unnecessary effort of going through and completely redoing EVERYTHING, the only option they'd have is one of those incredibly annoying ZSNES filters that the XBLA uses on all their classic games.

I may be in the minority on this, but those filters make the game look WORSE. I'd rather not see a spit shine done on this, I'll take either the original graphics or a complete remake. And a complete remake of a really old game probably isn't worth the effort.

The game will probably look a little better on a small screen anyway because low resolution 2D on a large screen tends to pixelate something awful.

I don't really know what you're referencing, here. I was talking about the way FFIV looked on the GBA, you know, with the graphics kind of brighter. Is that what you're talking about?
OK.

I don't personally care how it turns out. I'll be getting it and playing it regardless. I would like to think that maybe one of the best things about this game coming out for the DS is that it gives new gamers a chance to play such a timeless classic. Gamers can easily download a rom if they want to play it so bad. I guess nothing beats actually owning the game itself whether its the SNES or PSX version.

It is true a lot of people regard Chrono Trigger one of the greatest rpgs ever made for its time. It even still stands out as one of the best rpgs ever made period. I just wish fans should stop screaming bloody murder if a company decides to tamper with their favourite game a bit. More than anything else this game could put some revival into the chrono series. If you don't like the potential ds version than go back to playing it on the snes.

Besides people should stop pre-judging something until it officially comes out. It doesn't really matter. When the game comes out for the DS people will always find something to complain about. Its unavoidable. If there are people that are just getting into rpg gaming, they deserve a chance to play such a great game even if its just a port.

Also someone in Japan finally bought a scanner!

http://g.photos.cx/viploader690160-26.jpg

OH BOY I HOPE THIS THING IS A PLAYABLE CHARACTER!! :D

But yeah that screenshot of Magus' Castle in the lower left looks pretty sweet, stretched across the touch screen and all.

That is the Shōnen Jump pirate. Get out.

Would it be wrong of me to state that I still think Toriyama's designs look like ass-drippings?

That shit-eating grin on Crono is horrendous. And besides, it's not like he ever displays a single emotion in the game. Why would he grin smugly for the promo art?

If Squeenix wants to make any improvements at all, hire someone else to do the new promo art, then rationalize that the sprites are nearly fifteen years old, of course they're going to look way off by comparison.

They should rewrite the script to actually give Crono some damn lines. Having a silent protagonist is pretty annoying.

What annoys me is they're using artwork from way back for the ad. That's just flat out lazy on Tori's part.

@Aardark : True. He did speak in Chrono Cross.

:D


Like everyone else though, I'll buy this game. I probably shouldn't, but it's freaking Chrono Trigger. Hey, if Blue Dragon can have its own anime maybe Chrono Trigger can too...aside from that short one they had to promote the game using Gato, Johnny, a Nu, and that monkey thing.

Chrono Cross never happened. It's a standalone game, it's not a sequel. *insert more useless denial here*

But then it would totally destroy the point of rule number 18 in The Grand List of Console Role Playing Game Cliches!

I still think that, even without updated graphics/voice overs, Crono needs a voice over.

They should have voice overs, but continue to not give Crono any lines. It'd be great to hear the characters have one-lined conversations with him.

Those screencaps from that magazine don't really look that improved. Are they really improving the graphics or did they just say that instead of "we're just gonna put this on two screens at once and call it good"?

You apparently missed my post earlier.

You and I both know Nomura would do the redesign. And what's the only thing worse than Toriyama drawing characters? Nomura putting white glue on a bristle board and then throwing belts, zippers and shoes at it while laughing maniacally.

"CHEQUE PLEASE?" :HAND OUT:

Well, the GBA port was actually a port from the Neo Geo Pocket Color version, which WAS a complete re-art, if you get my drift.

My thinking is that they're not going to go through the effort of redoing the art for the game at this stage, and they're just going to port it. I was basically saying that the only option outside of that would be to put one of those filters on if you REALLY insisted on having some sort of graphical improvement. I just think those things make everything worse, myself.

Additional Spam:
Ayla's rags are begging for some bling.

Additional Spam:
Actually, other RPGs have tried that, and it just comes off as incredibly awkward.

There's a trailer out!
Check it out on HERE.

The trailer is a bit ho-hum, but the intro brought back some memories. I was just hoping for some higher resolution sprites.

Wonderswan. Neo Geo Pocket Color would have looked worse.

1-4 players huh?

This should be interesting.

FOUR-PLAYER BIKE RACE GO! I hope it's Wi-Fi compatible!! Maybe they'll let all four players bet on a runner at the Millennial Fair!

Guh, the DS's resolution is smaller than the SNES's (although it only differs by like 20 pixels). I still think it will look great on the smaller screens of the NDS. The GBA Final Fantasys looks great.

I still wonder how they plan to use the WiFi support. Maybe it will be some kind of item trading service, didn't we get one of those in Final Fantasy 3?

Chrono Trigger DS will look great on a small screen I LOVED playing it on my PSone screen. It looked the best out of all the other games I played on it.

Trailer was kinda cool, could of been better.

So honestly, would you rather have a 3D remake (in FF3/4 fashion)?
I'm a ridiculous and sentimental bitch, and I really love how this will be an enhanced port and not a total remake.

I think done right a 3D remake would be pretty kick-ass, but the enhanced port idea is no less appealing. This is pretty much a guaranteed purchase on my part unless they do something incredibly stupid.

They just need to come up with Eternal Millennial Fair. I spent so goddamn long on that shit every time I played, that shit was FUCKING AWESOME.

In my opinion, Chrono Trigger is one of those games where much of its charm was in it's graphics. Remaking it in DS-3D would be such a different experience, which I hardly think I would enjoy as much as port. But that's just my view. I've been trying to emulate CT on the DS many times, but there's always flaws. To finally get a perfect version - even spanning two screens and being adjusted for the machine - is great.

How is the DS's sound chip compared to the SNES? I wonder if they will enhance the music, like they did with the PSX version of the game (ok, maybe not to that extent but still) :o

I'd rather they keep it classic and not do 3-D unless it was done to perfection.

You'd be in luck then wouldn't you.

I was merely saying that a 3D remake could have the potential to be pretty awesome, but clearly sticking with the original 2D look is no bad thing either. In fact I'm rather the fan of great sprite work in any area of digital artistry, but that doesn't diminish the possibilities for an interesting 3D (or probably 2.5D really) take on the Chrono Trigger world.

:\ Am I the only one who remembers Chrono Trigger: Ressurection? They were going along great putting CT into 3D before square shut them down with a cease and desist a few years back.
Anyway, this is nice, but I hope the extra content is a little more than the hacked together transplant dungeons like in the FF1 remakes.

Also, 4 players rules out some sort of co-op dungeon, I guess :(

Chrono Resurrection

Now if they were looking to make a profit from this, then I fully agree with Square's move for a C&D. However, I didn't read anything of the sort and this was shaping up to be a damn good game. The updated music was amazing and the updated graphics were looking incredible.

They were still using their intellectual property. Square was well within their legal rights to end this.

They also shut down a team that was looking on making a Secret of Mana port with the HL2 engine. :(

I liked the idea of the porting Chrono Trigger over to a 3-D world but I don't know... Somehow I feel it would be like cheating yourself out of a classic.

Agreed.

Well it seems that all of us prefer the classic 2D style. i just hope the music is on par.

I don't have any worries about the music. Square Enix hired Mitsuda to take charge of the sound direction and, considering how awesome the quality of Soma Bringer is on the DS, I see great things. He also said he kept it as close to the original as he could.

Yasunori Mitsuda On Chrono Trigger DS: 'Finally!'

At least it isn't the FFIV DS abomination of sound quality. Some of those remade songs were horrible.

Oh thank god.

The Dragonball Z cut scenes from the PSone version are confirmed for this port. And stuff!

I hope I can still fail miserably at the trial. DS revision should have microphone support.

OBJECTION! CLEARLY THE WITNESS HAS SAID SOMETHING THAT IS CONTRARY TO THE EVIDENCE.

NO CRONO. ALSO YOU CAN'T TALK. I SHALL DEDUCT FROM THE METER. *EXPLOSION*

...

So the plan is to taunt players for 3/4 of the game until the Epoch finally gets wings? Excellent use of the touch screen!

Still, it's great news that you can switch between D-pad and touchscreen control instead of forcing the touching. Games like Summon Night that make the D-pad useless just to give the touchscreen something to do can get annoying really fast.

http://dsmedia.ign.com/ds/image/arti...4031040014.jpg

IGN: Chrono Trigger DS Preview

So did they actually give enough name space to name him Chrono now, as the article implies?

I recall reading in a different preview that he's still officially translated as Crono.

Ah, here it is.

Crono and his crew who've set up their newest invention, considering Lucca singlehandedly made the damn teleporter and the game tells you as much, demonstrates a lack of comprehension of the plot. I'd take his usage of the name Chrono as him forgetting how it was spelled and looking at the title for reference.

This is IGN, after all.

Also, this quote does a good job of demonstrating lack of prior knowledge.

No. Shit.

More like IGNorant.

Chrono Trigger for the DS will be available on 25 November in the US. ^5

Can't wait!

Oh, SHIT.

That actually kind of worries me; how are they going to keep the profile on a SNES port smack dab in the middle of Christmas season?

Yeah. Because November releases, port jobs, and Squenix games all do sooooooo poorly for sales during Jingle Bell time. I forgot.

The lines below each character in the screenshot posted by Andrew Evenstar (last July I know, so sue me)... those are HP/MP bars, or are they experience bars for level and tech a la Pokemon?

Most likely HP/MP Bars. Considering the game has another screen to work with, everything would be displayed on the touch screen.

So now there's more than one new dungeon? Well, it doesn't matter either way. I'm just glad we have a set release date.

I'm just hoping the extra content is somewhat challenging for high level characters. The game itself is not terribly difficult, even in an LLG scenario, so it'd be nice to have something put up a fight at ** level or ** stats. The SNES remakes have recently had their extra content sorta difficult enough with the extra dungeons, so here's hoping it follows suit.

I don't know about that. It's not easy to defeat Spekkio when Crono is at Level **, even with the best gear. I find myself using a megalixir or two, and even assigning one character (Robo) to be an exclusive team healer.

Nu Spekkio is not a challenge. Just use Magus and the party members needed for Omega Flare or Dark Eternal and you're laughing. You don't need to burn through many items at all.

How much damage does Omega Flare / Dark Eternal deal to him? 999 max right? You're still going to need to cast that 21x to kill him off :p

I hold off on the Triple Techs, because he attacks very quickly, and can cast Hallation, bringing everyone's HP down to 1.

Uh, no. 2000 to 2500.

Hallation is the only thing you need to cure after, and I assume if you're level ** or close to, you've got at close to max speed on everyone, which is more than enough to cast your triples at least twice to every one of his moves, which, with two exceptions, don't do more than 250 damage to you. It goes without saying you should be using Haste Helms during this.

You're doing it wrong, Zerg.

You wouldn't even need to use a megalixer if you bring Frog and Robo along. Just do their cure wave double tech and you'll be good as new.

'eh.

That sort of limits you to Grand Dream, Triple Raid, or Spin Strike. Which are next to useless for damage output when we're talking Nu Spekkio, really. Hell, I think two of those three are completely physical, aren't they?

I believe Spire (Crono and Frog) should work. It deals about 1,500. I'm more then ok with sacrificing 1,000 damage for the sake of a cheap 999 party heal. Then again, I'm showing heavy bias because this has always been my main team.

Fair enough. I guess it goes to show that any party build with any focus can beat the game's "hardest" challenge. I dunno if that says more about the lack of challenge or the balance of the characters, but regardless, it proves the point of something being a bit more difficult or requiring some sort of strategy would be nice.

Shrug. I deal with Nu Spekkio by spamming Luminaire and Flare, and holding back Robo for the Heal Beam. Don't rightly recall how much damage I can deal in one round, but assuming 999 max, then 1998 hp ain't too shabby.

Still, the first time you face him, he's REALLY gonna slaughter you... :3:

Pretty sure 9999 is max damage.

I honestly don't even remember what my team makeup was when I fought Nu Spekkio. It really isn't that difficult.

I'm confused. You guys are talking about Nu Spekkio? Is that just his final form at the end of time? I have played the game in forever, and is he the toughest challenge in the game?

Yes. Red Nu Spekkio is the toughest (beatable) challenge in the game. Ghost Cyrus of course is impossible to beat.

Though, you can also make Queen Zeal (the one with the huge ass face) nigh impossible by multi-targeting techs all the time. :p

Wait . . . Ghost Cyrus?

He exists if you don't go into the past and fix up the castle before you go to the castle in like 1000AD

It's not even worth counting as anything but a story event. The battle just ends after a certain amount of time passes. I'd say Nu Spekkio and Lavos at the Ocean Palace, first run through, are the toughest fights in the game.

I dunno..I kinda found Masa and mune to be a bit of a bitch. given the time and everything.

Certain fights can also be very difficult for the unprepared team.

For instance, attempting to beat Fiona's subquest without having a water innate (Frog, Marle, Magus) in your team.

Still, Red Nu is the hardest legitimate battle, for any team. Ocean Palace Lavos is designed to be impossible, except for New Game Plus players.

Zerg, there's a guy on Something Awful who beat that battle without emulation/cheating with Crono, Robo, and Frog. It's quite beatable the first time around.

Pics or it didn't happen.

(He level-grinded, didn't he)

Of course he freaking level grinded, and there's a video of it up on Viddler if you need visual proof.

You talking about the countdown for their "Yes indeed" attack? If you hit them with Crono's slash, it cancels the countdown.

I was watching this dude do an insane speed run. He beat the game just under 4 hours. Good usage of items, stat studying, level planning, and slick usage of Ayla's Dino Tail tech were his main tools.

I was replaying this a year or two ago cause it had been such a long time, and I level-grinded a bit. When I actually got there, I had forgotten that the Ocean Palace battle wasn't the final Lavos battle, and did everything I could [save cheating, except for loading savestates, if that counts] to finish the battle. It was one hell of a hard fight, but I 'accidentally' beat the game and wondered where the rest of it went.

The best part though was watching the credits fly by Krusty the Clown style.

The Ocean Palace..that was the Black Omen battle right?

If It was I actually remember that battle (sorta) and I do remember beating it because that was the most annoying battle ever.

Where is Red Nu located at? What point in the game I can't remember.

It's Spekkio's final form, available when you meet the prerequisite level.

Which is basically Crono at Level ** (aka 100)

Not basically, precisely at level **. Anything before that and he's still at his Masamune stage.

Square Enix: America, You Get Chrono Trigger DS Before Japan

Request for an upload of that CD when its out, pretty please?

Looks like this remake might feature a mini game of leveling monsters similarly to Pokemon....seems kind of strange to me, but at least it sounds like a nice addition to the game instead of a feature almost no one would be interested in.

Chrono Trigger remake adds a little Pokemon

If this is true I'm so leveling those goblins and rolypoly things from when you first go to 600AD

Holy god, the comments to that article . . . . "IS THAT GOKU WITH A SWORD IS THAT A CHARACTER FROM THE REMAKE?"




(you can tell it's not Goku because of the red hair)

Can we pretty please implement the SA forum's scheme of banning people for posts like that pretty please

I am woefully offtopic but wow... just wow posts make my blood boil

Additional Spam:
This is totally not what Chrono Trigger needed. I'm all for adding little flairs to a remake, but adding Pokemon to like Chrono Trigger is like... adding Pokemon to Chrono Trigger. Seriously. Chrono Trigger is JUST FINE. Add a map on the touch screen, add a dungeon, but for god's sake leave the gameplay alone.

I don't know. I'd be nice to have your own pet Naga-ette without needing any silly Bromides! :D

The hell makes you think the gameplay's changed any? All we know about this is a leaked blurb from a retailer's website. There's no gameplay details at all.

For all you know, it's probably a completely skippable minigame. Doesn't sound like the game itself has been changed at all.

Tell me, does Bejeweled in WoW ruin WoW? Is that exactly what WoW didn't need? Does it hurt it in some way? Or what.

Agreed. I don't think Nintendo could risk completely altering gameplay/removing pieces.

That would be like SQUEEEENIX taking out the Crazy Motorcycle part from FF7.

Basically fans would really fireback in a negative way against Nintendo.

I'd have been fine with it.

The Crazy Motorcycle---what?

Pokemon in Chrono Trigger---what?

CRAZY POKEMON ON MOTORCYCLES IN CHRONO TRIGGER----hell yeah!

(Also, if there was a Pokemon-esque breeding centre, I take it Flea would only be able to reproduce with Ditto?)

This Game and Kirby which hits in a few hours...My god where will I fit LBP in.


I know I'm going to be playing this a heck of a lot just because I want the endings.

I wonder if they'll do like what they did for the Playstation and add the whole cutscene option thing.

SOOOO EXCITEEDDD!!

Maybe it's gonna like that chocobo game for FF8? It didn't really affect the game.

But that wasn't even really for FF8 was it? That was just something for the pocketstation.

I had the PC version of FF8. The chocobo mini-game was very very useful in buffing my characters up without leveling up further - a bonus in a game where enemies match your level.

Sure, it's cheating, since I modified the mini-game save files to yield 99 "A" items. But I prefer to think of it as time compression, something I could have done given enough time anyway :tpg:

Also, it made the chocobo summon stronger (who uses that), which also carries over to regular gameplay. I'm guessing this pokemon thing'll be a diversion, although if they stick in something to make it worthwhile, it might be worth looking at and then ignoring (Dark Cloud 2 fishing anyone?).

So, the whole creature-battling thing has been explained. From Chrono Compendium:

http://h.photos.cx/Arenaoftheages-dc8.png

Hmmm...I still don't know about that monster training mini-game. It sounds great and everything, but I don't know if it'll add much to the game.
The "rare items" sound like they're Arena-only anyway. It's almost like they tacked a pokemon-esque game on or something.

New IGN article reveals something very intriguing.

An extra ending could either retcon it into being properly connected with Chrono Cross, or set it up for a sequel...

I won't get my hopes up.

You watch, it'll just be the ending where Glenn becomes human except he porks Magus in the ultimate act of forgiveness/fanservice.

And here I was thinking we tried to improve things with these remakes.

Except that there's nothing saying that's what it is.

I think he's trying to point out that of all the things to hope they do in the remake that that's a pretty bad one to hope for.

Square-Enix wanted to be the REBEL.

Target lock, preparing ordinance for immediate deployment.

Except we both blowed up. So no dice for you, Fagriz.

It's like a message board delay is involved, nigga.

Exactly. I'm hoping it's neither of the things about which I speculated.

did anyone translate whats on the website yet? cos im watching the videos on the "system" tab and i dont know if its anything new im seeing >_<

Have you seen it before? No? Then it's new.

http://www.nashvillescholars.net/sit...ock-holmes.jpg

new dungeon footage (spoilers)
 

Chrono Trigger DS: The Arena of the Ages

YouTube Video

Chrono Trigger DS: The Lost Sanctum

YouTube Video

Chrono Trigger DS: The Dimensional Vortex

YouTube Video

Hmm, is it just me or...

Well, as someone who doesn't hate Cross, I'd be fine with it. Not like it will alter the core game of Trigger any.

And you're right, Kairi, in that one shot it looks like the initial entrance to the Dead Sea.

Yeah, it'll just place it next to a steaming pile of shit. That's cool.

Ah, they're using that unused Battle Theme for the Arena, and the unused Singing Mountain song for the bonus dungeon. Excellent.

Don't see any new tilesets though :(

By your opinion, son. Wah wah wah, it's different from this thing I liked. Great music, interesting tie-ins to the previous game (albeit handled in a poor manner) and great visuals.

Game was over-slagged. Get over it.

Chrono Trigger is an apple. Chrono Cross is a hatstand.

They are very fucking far beyond comparison.

Sounds interesting. I'm hoping for a sequel obviously. But I'll be happy with another cool ending. Whatever.

I'm really surprised that none of these new dungeons seem to be similar to the scrapped dungeons found in the Chrono Trigger beta cart. I figured they would've been scrapped due to lack of time. I was looking forward to seeing if any of those unused ideas would be incorporated, but I'm not broken-hearted if it didn't pan out.

Hmm I never read anything about that, interesting. Could you provide a link to picture regarding the scrapped dungeons? And is that beta cart available in rom format?

Thanks.

A prerelease cart was given to a bunch of Japanese magazines for review. They had code blocks preventing the player from getting past certain points, but you can bypass those with certain codes. The game was significantly done at that point, with a lot of work done in certain dungeons that were either cut down or removed altogether in the final game.

Chrono Compendium

That discusses at length all the changes in the prerelease and the final product, including maps and screenshots. I think it also tells you how to get around the ROM into the unfinished dungeons. Unfortunately it's in Japanese so I don't know how much you'll get out of playing it since it's untranslated. I don't know where you can download it, I'm sure most SNES rom sites have it by now.

I have engaged in the debate far too many times to have you cop a "oh you just don't like it because it's a shitty sequel" crap. The game sucks. I'm sure GELB-1 will run in here to spirit some kind of defense, but the fact of the matter is that plot that sounds interesting on paper and battle systems/scenarios that either hold up at one point in the game or just don't fucking matter is more than enough to call this game a piece of crap.

Don't theory up a defense for Chrono Cross, because the game is fucking garbage and mediocre at best.

So basically you're proving my point that the game gets ripped on too much. I'm not saying it's brilliant. It's not. It's middling. It's a middling game I really enjoyed, but it's not nearly as bad as the fandom makes it out to be. They treat it like it's Paladin's Quest.

The level of garbage spewing is kinda funny, because there's some decent or better elements to the thing, some of which deserve at least a little praise. It's hard to fault the game as complete crap even if you dislike the (admittedly poor) often hated on elements like the execution of the plot or over saturation of party members.

Middling is pretty much the proper response, there's no real way to claim it's complete garbage and not look like a total nut job. But wai-oh hi Rotor.

Feel free to point out those "great" things to me, because that's me being courteous and not saying "Shit was done better in other games already." The only thing I'd give note to Chrono Cross was the Dead Sea, the "THEORY" behind Field Elements, and the soundtrack.

The game is shit.

When I say it's crap and you guys want to go "BUT IT'S NOT DIARRHEA", it's worth a chuckle.

Here you go again with your universalist bullshit. Sure things were done better in other games. But just because someone else does it well doesn't mean it sucks in everything else.

The world is not made up of extremes, Rotor. One day you'll figure this out and you'll be a lot less worked up.

The game was fun, had unbelievable music and played well. Get over the fact you don't like it and realise you're reacting like a child. We're not saying it's terrible or great, we're saying you're reactionary and kind of proving our point about how people treat the game like it killed the jews. It just didn't. I get you need to pound your chest in game discussions. I understand that. But lighten up, sport. The game just wasn't that bad.

Pretty sure we had this discussion at a very LONG LENGTH on the ol' xbawks chat just a couple weeks ago. Do you recall nothing of that conversation? I remember coming to a consensus that it wasn't complete gutter trash, and that the redeeming values were not drowned in the garbage.

Also it is more like Vanilla pudding instead of chocolate. Not the best alternative, but it's not tapioca either.

I'm not, really. You'd love to paint it that way, but I'm not the one going "oh you", now am I? But this is where I point out 'you're not taking me seriously!', right? Do me a favor: Realize that, maybe, JUST MAYBE, I've been here before, so it's quite possibly just the tedium of arguing about what I feel and am willing to argue is such a shitty game... again. I could say the game isn't fun as much as you could say it is fun, because that aspect of video games, enjoyment, is a personal one. There are folks out there who like WakuWaku7 or King of Fighters 2000. That doesn't make the core game or even the "experience" good, well put together, and in the latter's case... well, enjoyable depending on if you actually find competition.

Maybe it's fun to you, but pulling that in this kind of discourse is what's childish, as much as I feel like I'm holding you at arm's length while your childish limbs try to pull the wool over my eyes with some personal shit you happen to know about me. That's all well and good, I can deal with that. If you want a personal account on a guy playing Chrono Cross, I actually fell asleep playing it. I don't know many games that bored me that badly, especially at 11:00am on a Saturday. I could gather in those who think the same as I do, and man, I sure bet that'd prove my point. Or I could ask loaded, cyclical questions like "Would you play it again?"

Again, you can call it whatever you want, Deni: But I'm asking you to prove what was great or redeemable in some fashion as a whole. The story is disjointed and poorly told, which is a strike against RPGs last I checked. Like I need to tell anyone who's played it that it gets plot dumped on you at the last 5 minutes of the game. The Dead Sea was an awesome event, so was the Miguel fight... but how many other moments in the game were like that? Wandering aimlessly, gathering worthless character after worthless character.

Combat was a snore, because for the most part, you could ignore the Element System outside of certain areas. I liked it when Xenogears did the point attack system, because it didn't come with the element/skill system so poorly added on. In theory, it's great... in practice, nope, not really anything special.

It was interesting, again, in theory, to have so many characters as if the game designers were trying to convey the feeling that each character was supposed to have a small piece of the scenario dedicated to them in some fashion to convey the world in an interesting manner... but frankly, that shit falls apart because the majority of them are ciphers and/or completely uninteresting save for a handful. Sprigg, Starky, El Greco, Grobyc... god, I can't even remember the majority of the 44 characters in the game because the bulk of them were so forgettable.

The dimension jumping probably would have been suited better if the game didn't take place in the same set of isles just outside of Zenan or what have you. The best part was learning that a piece of jerky is what caused Porre to conquer Guardia. That'll teach you to be altruistic.

So we have no actual disagreement. The only problem is that you don't think the soundtrack and final story arc save the game and I do.

I still say you're pulling a reverse FF VII and spending too much time loathing a game that was pretty middling, but you're not going to change your perspective on it, and you're sure as fuck not going to change mine.

If the story were better told, I'd more than accept that it'd save the game. Because it does, on paper. The thing is, I didn't need Chrono Trigger to grow up with me... I think the expectation that what happened makes it "okay" is pretty slapstick. You know, the fact we're seeing a Chrono Trigger DS and not a Chrono Cross PS3/360 is where it's evident shit is wrong.

Chrono Trigger is as close to perfection as some RPGs can get. Square wants money and I'd just as soon want Square to make up for 1999/2000 and the shit many of us saw. There is no middle ground, I agree. I agree there's some cool shit in Chrono Cross, but I will never say that game is "good" or "fun to play." It all just depends on your disposition in that regard, so I'm willing to say there's a bias in me. But I sure as fuck won't let someone waltz in and go "Those people are crazy for saying that, the game is great! I liked it!" I called out the "making the connection" shit, because frankly... the game connected to it, the "experience" is just so disappointing and meandering. It's the very definition of wasted potential.

I swear, the only thing keeping my hands from clasping the necks of post creators like that is the monitor and internet between us.

Chrono Trigger doesn't need a remake, and what bothers me is doing this first, when Chrono Cross deserves another chance.

Hey, I agree. I'd rather see a CC remake that fixed a lot of the broken stuff. But we both know CT will sell much better. So that's what they do.

That has more to do with SNES ports being quick, dirty, easy money that we nostalgia faggots eat up in droves than anything else. I mean, shit. Worked well on the GBA, why not, right? I wouldn't take it as Square saying "shitsux" by any stretch.

It's like breaking the rules at school, man. Principle.

Hmmmm, I didn't really plan on getting this originally since I have the PS1 port. I understand that this would probably not have the abyssmal load times, but the new content is the only thing that really makes it worth it to me.

I guess it's only fitting I buy another copy of the game I used to come up with my internet alias.

As for the talk about Chrono Cross. I'll leave that alone, I personally hated it but enough people rip on it as it is.

Chrono Trigger orchestral music samples

Square Enix Music Online :: Video Game Music News

My laptop is having trouble running the videos from the site due to summer heat here in Aus. Can anyone do some audio rips from the interview and the TGS 2008 PV?

If not, then I like to request that someone who manages to get the CD on the 20th, please make some WAV rips of them.

the game rom is out already everyone, I'm currently playing it, the music has been refined with new synthesizer and it's excellent.

I'd recommend that nobody clicks this spoiler unless they want a piece of new content completely and utterly fucking ruined for them (as it was for me).

Looks like it, Krel. Actually, could someone just confirm how Frog talks in this game?

So Square wants to pull another George Lucas like they did with the extra scene in the PS1 port of Chrono Trigger, eh?

Despite its overindulgent convolution and largely forgettable cast, I actually liked Chrono Cross. It's not at Chrono Trigger's level but I enjoyed the colorful locales and some of the story elements. Yet Chrono Cross was hardly a direct sequel except for the late game twist that came out of left field. I guess all that's left to do is add some new dialog to Chrono Trigger so as to better lead up to its story.

"Oh wow, I can't believe I didn't pick up on that detail before! It all makes sense now as one incredibly deep story!"

*sigh*

I have a theory regarding this new ending and the players shown to be involved. Hopefully this is enough text to block the preview aaaaaand:

I have to ask this - are those from the actual game or some horrible DS emulator? The graphics look like they've gone through some extremely ugly unfiltered scaling.

It's YouTube, chief.

YARRPIRATES are getting PROTECTIOWNED after the blue rift scene at the start, and at some parts of the game. If only DS games aren't that expensive, I'll buy this little piece of funlove.

The new ending inspires only rage in my heart given how stupid it is from a story telling standpoint.

Actually that piracy protection thing was fixed the same day it was dumped online.

Yeah, I got it working. I'm using the cheat code on the M3 Real, everything's going smooth so far, except for that Trann Dome bug (you can't get out the dome after using the Enerton). If everything turns out fine, then I won't be patching my rom anytime soon.

YARR PIRATES!

I actually pre-ordered this one even though I already own enough of Chrono Trigger. XD (I got the NA/JPN cartridges, PS1 CD).

Since I couldn't wait for the game to ship, I got the game a little 'earlier' for my DS and I am just happy to play the game on portable form with no bugs. (Emulated versions were not really 100% perfect.)

It is a little disappointing that Square-Enix did not put much effort to the game (I really think the monster arena thing is stupid and useless addition) and I'd literally have bought 5 copies if they remade the game like the recent Final Fantasy series for DS. ;)

But I guess if the thing isn't broken, you don't need to change anything from it, as it still is the best RPG I ever played in my childhood.

I hope there's a sequel coming out in the future, not like the pseudo sequel Chrono Cross.

I don't see how Chrono Cross was a pseudo-sequel.

Masato Kato didn't help matters on that end, what with saying it wasn't a sequel and addressing some of the nerd backlash/backpedaling. New translation is tight. New ending is gay, and I see a certain someone who likes changing thread titles couldn't help but let us know that he, too seeks the penis.

Because too many people on here bitch about the only thing that made Chrono Cross a sequel was

I take it constructive answers are lost on you, Slash.

I've been up for too long...gimme a break lol.

Except I don't see how thats a constructive answer...I mean...thats the truth from what I've seen.

You know what, Diss taken back because that was stupid of me... honestly, if it were solely anyone's fault in the matter, then Chrono Cross wouldn't be as complicated a topic as far as games go. I'd say it's both. Kato said it wasn't meant to be a direct sequel in interviews but Square at the time marketed it as a sequel and it was all a giant cluster fuck from there.

I realize some folks don't always "get" Chrono Cross' story, but there's a reason for that. If it were so cut and dry and well told, Chrono Compendium wouldn't exist for the purpose it does.

I personally liked Chrono Cross. I mean I got confused a few times since I couldn't figure out which universe it was in but then something else caught my mind at the animated part of the CTDS Ending.

Probably my one beef with Chrono Cross is the need for 40+ Characters. That was just...different.

The anime cutscenes were around since the PSX days, though I never bought Final Fantasy Chronicles and played that at the expense of a friend. The alternate dungeons have been pretty cool thus far. Seeing Cross again wouldn't be bad depending on how they handled it. No, I don't like the original Cross, but that's an exhaustive argument waiting to happen considering people either want to revise history or play the polarity game.

They've added a lot of beefy new equipment, I'm kind of surprised honestly. Chrono Trigger was never that hard of a game, this new stuff really seems like overkill.

Yeah...I don't know what happened between me playing it in 95 on the cart and on here but it seemed way too easy and Falcon Strike seemed way too powerful lol.

I've managed to run through it at a decent pace, 13 hours and I'm already toward end game quests going at a nice pick up and put down pace. It's definitely not a hard game, though the first run is usually always the best in terms of enjoyment for players. Then you can just bulldoze your way through any boss that generally required a strategy. Vulnerable only to magic? High level spell. Need to destroy a certain part of the enemy? Hammer it with your best moves and high level equipment. New Game+ is fun like that, but it does eventually take the appeal away once you've done everything.

Where's everyone at in this game, anyway? Already beaten it? Thoughts on the new dungeons?

Is this overkill equipment available on the first playthrough? I hope it doesn't negate the need to keep bothering with the Rainbow Shell sidequest several times to get all that good stuff. The 70% critical rate on Crono's sword was already pretty crazy.

I won't get to play this until Christmas, so it'll be awhile before I get to see these changes firsthand.

I've already blazed through it once. Working on NG+...totally forgot that shiny thing on the telepad was a nice jump to mr. lavos v_v

The Dimensional Rift in 65,000,000 B.C. is available once you finish up the Kingdom of Zeal/Blackbird portion of the game. So going through there yields some stuff. The way it's available doesn't really hurt anything, I just think it adds on to already destructive uber equipment. But that's just for the main game, the new side bosses and what not may just call for this stuff for some players.

Yeah...Lost Sanctum is after the Blackbird, Dimensional Vortex is after the Black Omen which really wasn't that hard...

I just finished my first playthrough of Chrono Trigger DS. Haven't tried the bonus dungeons that pop up after Lavos dies, but as far as the Lost Sanctum goes, I'm sick and tired of that stupid Mt. Emerald.

It was much easier than when I remembered. I power-leveled my Techs with that 600AD Nu (Luminaire against Magus baby), and everything else was a cakewalk. I went on a stealing rampage, such that I finished with 30 Megaelixirs, 50 Elixirs, Gold Studs for everyone, and 800,000 G (from stealing from the Mt. Woe monsters and selling it off). Guess I better go on a buying spree before starting a new game plus...!

I died once, unexpectedly, to Mother Brain. Gah, shouldn't have destroyed those monitors and wasted 4 turns stealing her Blue Plate.

Gragh, Lost Sanctum is frustrating me. Just encountered the git with the golden hammer, and now can't find him. Walkthroughs are unhelpful. So. Stuck. Where is he?

edit: Disregard that, I just plain suck. Turns out you have to clear out all the other enemies first.

Man, the Arena is seriously the least fun shit ever, if only because doing it FOUR BILLION TIMES is fucking mandatory if you want to complete your item list this time around. I think I have more Mops than a house full of live-in mexican housemaids. Total bullshit.

I havent bothered to play the arena, after heard how "fun" it seems

Fun? Haha right.

As for completing everything, I'm not sure what's more annoying. Collecting all arena-specific items, or leveling to ** and finishing the bestiary by getting Red Nu Spekkio's profile...

Sure makes me want to use some level-up and item codes =)

The leveling is at least interactive and you can get it while doing the NG+ stuff for the endings, that's not really that hard.

The arena is hands off, so.

Shame Nu Spekkio is nullified by that new bit of Lucca armour though. So even Zerg might be able to not have trouble with him by that point.

Nah, Red Nu Spekkio will be much easier than the Dream Devourer. His Chaotic Zone counter to every attack in Phase 2 (only physical attacks hurt him) is rather annoying.

And I've done all the 13 endings now, on a total number of two playthroughs. I'm at level 70, not at all close to level 99 :(

I really, really, really want to be impressed with this game and say I enjoyed it more than ever. But the sad and unfortunate truth is, I just don't care much for this re-release.

The game play remained fun, invigorating, and active. I'm glad they didn't change it all that much, save what they had to do with the touch screen. With the addendum of the PS cutscenes--which I don't really feel add too much to the game in any regard--the game still kept its flow. That was good.

Despite everything I said in my journal about loathing the new translation, most of it actually turned out alright and wasn't as detrimental to the games atmosphere as I thought it was going to be. There are a few choice pieces of script that I hate to see gone, but I guess in the end it was for a greater good. That was alright.

The additional dungeons weren't all that bad, just tedious and for the most part, useless. Fun to play through, but it's like what's the point? You really don't need half the items in the dungeons except to say you're a completist. That was "eh".

Even though it's optional though, I still really despise the new ending. I hate anything attached to Chrono Cross and hate that Chrono Trigger is the prequel to such an unfortunate, piece of shit game. The new ending, as it's being released as the "TRUE" ending to Trigger, takes a certain "something" away from the game that was there in its original release. There wasn't all this melodrama, there wasn't all this bullshit; in the end it was an adventure through TIME that EVERYONE COULD ENJOY. However, since it is optional (even with the intent of it being the one ending to rule them all!!111) I'll lie for the sake of sounding positive about something for once and say it was a great addition to the series!!!!!

Also, I completely share my sentiments with Skills on the battle arena. Just, eh.

Anyone else gonna try to take a stab at the newer, even harder LLG?

Thanks to the arena, there's now a way to get no experience at all. It involves a fuckload of setup though.

The process involves farming silver points from the races and hammer hitting minigame (not Gato), and routinely trading the points in for gold until you have several thousand, then going to the arena from the game's root menu.

Then you arena battle until you win the Wallet accessory.

The characters all have a minimum level at which they join your party at, but the new equipment *could* potentially make up for this. Robo's Apocalypse Arm could still be used to crit the late bosses to death, like Lavos, which might be needed all things considered.

I suppose a fair amount of tab farming would be in order, too, if just for getting his speed up.

I just started a New Game +. Beat Lavos through the telepod thanks to Marle (** magic defense, status immunity, gold stud, auto barrier, etc). I've found that going through baddies like an acetylene torch through butter is still a lot of fun, despite what I was expecting. Such a good game.

Wait until you get the real retarded bullshit added equipment. You can add auto haste to that, a damage output booster, and auto protect, and a bow that does a fixed damage despite defenses. It's quite ridiculous.