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Diablo 3 Music
So, the Internet is buzzing with news about Diablo 3, but I was wondering what everyone thought of the game's audio based on the 20 minutes of in-game footage. I ran an item over at OSV with embedded videos if you haven't seen it yet.
I hope that somehow Matt Uelmen gets to work on the project. I enjoyed what I heard in the videos, but for the sake of nostalgia, it'd be awesome to hear new music from Uelmen. What does everyone else think? Think Derek Duke (who wrote the cool ambient music for the Zerg in SC) is doing the ambient music in D3? |
I heard that Eminence is recording for Diablo 3...
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From who? I'd be surprised if they were involved in this project.
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You'll see... :)
Psst, sources has told me that the artwork trailer might be the one Eminence recorded. And I don't see what's so surprising. Eminence perfomed WoW music in concerts before and even had a deal with Blizzard where they provided WoW prizes for some concerts they had. Its not like they had zero contact with that company. And no I cannot cite my sources to anyone. On a bit off topic note, I knew about Diablo 3 ages ago thanks to a friend I know who works in Blizzard. I refrained from saying anything naturally, not just cause of the whole "confidential" stuff, but also cause I don't care much about Blizzard games. Eminence Official website Quote:
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Thanks for all the info. Great for a news article. I didn't know that Eminence performed on WoW.
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We did perform WoW music for our concerts however we did not record for the original soundtrack.
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I know Seraph, thats why I used the word "performed" and not "recorded". :P
They obviously met the company when they asked for permission to perform the music in concerts. The WoW prizes I saw at the concert indicated that they had further dealings with the company. |
Haha, Kairi Li and her wealth of information as always!
Anyway, the Diablo 3 theme hit YouTube today, and I ran an item about it on www.originalsoundversion.com if you don't want to dig the video out. |
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As to whether or not they contribute to the rest of the soundtrack, we shall see... And regarding the youtube video, VGL does great work, but that video... Was the conductor off or the video itself? Cause there were times I heard the Brass players were not in sync with the beat. Compare it to the official artwork trailer to see what I mean. |
What you heard is NOT the main theme of Diablo 3.
Official title is Diablo 3 Overture. |
Ah, I see. Tommy Tallarico misspoke then!
It'll be interesting to hear the actual theme... and perhaps you've said too much, Seraph! Maybe Kairi is right? =D |
Ok, after several listens to the youtube video, I realise something horrible that makes me wanna outright insult Tommy.
The orchestra was playing over the original recorded track, the one in the artwork trailer. Some performers were a bar off or something, came in too early and made the track sound like shit. The trumpet player was the obvious one. Please watch the artwork trailer from gametrailers or official Diablo 3 site and see the horrible major difference. Seems like Tommy got VGL to karaoke badly over the original track. This is a huge insult to everyone that worked on the music, especially the original performers of the recorded track. *hint hint* Part of me hopes that its simply a crappy video quality that butchered the sound, but the more I listen to it, the more I am convinced that this is as bad as Ashlee Simpson on SNL. If I am correct, than Tommy has lost all integrity for me. First Play!, now VGL? Is there no more integrity in any industry? How can you possibly believe having a full orchestra lipsync to the original track? Ashlee Simpson couldn't do it as one person, no way can a large group pull it off and fool everyone. I am digusted. |
It's actually fairly common for VGL to use playback. It's the only concert I'm aware of that does this, though. I agree both VGL and PLAY! have disappointed, but there are still concerts with integrity out there -- Eminence's productions, Symphonic Shades, Distant Worlds, and Press Start all come to mind.
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I know that VGL used synth tracks for certain pieces like MGS, but the LA Hollywood Bowl performance was great and I never heard any actual backing track like some karaoke bar that night. This is the first time that I am aware of such thing as backing tracks for an orchestral performance and I am appalled.
Not to mention having your performers coming in early is the biggest mistake ever, and having a backing track just made that mistake more jarring and obvious. Either way, its digusting and unprofessional, and it shows they didn't take this seriously despite the fact Diablo 3 is BIG to the entire gaming world. Also regarding Eminence recording for Diablo 3: Eminence Forums • View topic - Eminence in Soundtracks This is the closest thing to an official announcement till they front page it or Blizzard says something. |
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SoundtrackNet : Article - Video Games Live This was the very first performance of Video Games Live and the reliable writer states: "The second half of the concert sounded different than the first. Where the orchestra was occasionally struggling with some of the cues, the second half had some obvious overlays of the original recordings. This also resulted in some odd sonic warbles when the choir was slightly off-pitch from the recording." |
Haha, this is really nothing knew. Everyone knows they do this. You can't get the same full orchestra sound with 30-40 players on the stage.
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BUT..... BUT INTEGRITY!!
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Putting on a concert and then playing back a tape so you can fumblingly attempt to mimic it isn't a question of "integrity", it's a question of "why even bother".
Guys we're going to put on a play! Ok actually we got a tape of somebody else performing the play, they're much better than we are so just watch that instead. |
Maybe if they charge for admission, it'd be worth the hassle?
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Also, it's quite possible that the VGL CD track listings (announced here) will feature past studio recordings. It's possible that the studio recordings are new with the Slovak National Orchestra, but I doubt it. We won't know until the release whenever that will be.
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God, despite my distaste with Play! and VGL, I'm probably gonna end up getting their CDs, especially if they have tracks not done in love orchestra before.
But that's probably all I am gonna get from them. From now on, I think I will have to live with the fact that Night in Fantasia 2007 by Eminence will be the greatest and last game concert I will ever have the pleasure of listening... Since I will be moving to the US the second my visa is done processing. I mean I will try and visit Sydney during times when a concert is on, but money can get tight for airline tickets... Anway back to Diablo 3. The overture sounds fantastic in the original recording artwork trailer. Eminence did very well. |
A friend of mine pointed me to this link today and thought it would probably be best to reply. I didn't realize these forums were back up again. I'll make sure to go through the VGL thread when I get a chance... currently still in France working on our show here in December.
My first reaction to the comments were certainly a bit disappointing. Comparing us to things like "playing over a CD", Ashlee Simpson, "having no integrity", bad karaoke, etc. is insulting. Not only to me & Jack, but to Russell Brower and Blizzard who produced the show with us. Just for the record... there were NO background tracks being played at all. (If I remember correctly, the only background track played the entire night was a voice-over for the end of Burning Crusade). What people need to understand is that these are LIVE performances and not every musician (especially when there are over 110 on stage!) is going to be perfect every time... ESPECIALLY for such a highly synchopated track such as the Diablo III. What people don't know is that the click track system (which helps to keep all of our video and lights synchronized to the music) had gone down 2 songs into the show. Click boxes were literally sparking and blowing up on stage. Something happened in the convention center with the power during our performance that sent a spike through everything... it even blew the power-amp running the piano (which is why Martin's piano piece was virtually ruined as well). Everything had been rehearsed with a click-track... and now there was none. Jack and the musicians did the best they could and pulled through it well. All that being said... the YouTube video is also off-sync with the audio performace (which I find happens frequently on YouTube). Sorry to have disappointed some of you so much. Babe Ruth didn't hit a home run everytime he stepped up to the plate either. :) What is most hurtful however is that everyone here is so quick to insult us and all of the hard work we've been trying to accomplish. Maybe it's best that I wasn't aware this place was still around. Tommy Additional Spam: Quote:
This is correct. The name of the song we performed is entitled "Diablo III Overture". I have no knowledge whether this is a main theme or not. Tommy Additional Spam: Quote:
Quoting an 3 year old article of our very first performance? If you don't mind my asking... What is the point of your arguement? I'm a little confused. thanks, Tommy Additional Spam: Quote:
I'm not sure what you mean when you say "Haha... everyone knows they do this..." maybe you would like to go into a little more depth?? thanks buddy. T.T. Additional Spam: Quote:
Not sure why you are so negative towards us. Maybe you would like to further explain your animosity? Tommy |
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We should probably ban her or Tommy Tallarico will never forgive us!
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Thanks for the suggestion! It is an excellent plan!
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This is a bad idea. The U.S. has enough ugly, fat and utterly unintelligent Nomura fanbitches already. We really don't need you too. Say what you will: we can't handle you, you're not fat (a blatant lie), whatever, but everyone else on GFF knows the truth of this situation. Please. Stay wherever you are. Or better yet, do the world a favor and plunge yourself to the bottom of the ocean. Everyone can be happy then. I don't play Diablo and I have nothing else to contribute to this thread. |
Actually, all of these guys have a history of being uptight little spitewads. If you're not with them (ergo, also a drooling fan of their particular obsessions) you're clearly against them, and they'll rain down upon everything you stand for.
Ignore them. We do. |
he's already gone dudes I don't think you can get his autograph
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the tree is that way
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No, he will be back. Tommy Tallarico is the reason Gamingforce was created. He is our Shoeless Joe.
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Very incredible indeed!
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Very depressing topic indeed. Disappointing such a positive activity can turn out to be so negative because of how things are done. I am deeply insulted and feel hopeless for the musicians, composers and the audience I have been fighting for since I established Eminence.
For the audience, to understand and appreciate truly magnificent works. For world class musicians to respect game music. For the composers to receive the respect they deserve. I hate blatant liers. I rather them not say anything or admit it. We will still strive to do our work, one day, we will see the day when this is achieved. |
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Talking of which, there was a very prominent false advertisement of the Video Games Live CD at Music4Games today. I don't think it was intentional -- I suspect they were told of the new release date but not the new track listings so they did a quick Google search and re-reported an old source.
And Yura, I completely sympathise with you on the matter. I personally officially resolved my issues with Tommy some months ago and we each apologised to each other for acting immaturely here. However, I still can't condone VGL for its actions from this whole saga. You probably think I'm a bastard, but my main problem with you back some months ago was that you were supporting VGL even though there were just as bad as PLAY! if not worse. If that was because you weren't aware of all the corruption rather than because of a more malicious alliance, I'm really sorry for vindicating you. It's an absolutely terrible situation and I really hope artists with integrity like you manage to shine through it. No matter what has happened in the past, I'm very happy to support you in future. And Tommy, I didn't see you post originally. Thanks for clarifying the matter on whether they are new or old studio recordings. |
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It's okay. Nobody panic. I speak Jive. NIGGA, WHAT THE FUCK IS JUICE!? |
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COLE TRAIN'D?!? Needs more belts and zippers plz. |
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YOU CAN'T STEP INTO THE MIXTURE, AND JUST START POSTING PICTURES. THAT'S OLD SCHOOL RULES, BABY. WOO! (Hey Seraph. Just keep dissing. But eventually you'll run out of downward thumbs, this thread will still be funny, you'll still be someone who talks about video game music likes its black suffrage, and your biggest booster will still be Kairi Laughable Li.) |
Yeah dude, your posts has nothing to do with this thread. Put something contributing to the thread!
Talking about clicking your useless posts thumbs down, I got nothing better to do in a recording studio while our musicians take breaks from recording. I won't waste my time dissing your threads, my apologies. |
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So entertain me more, I got a recording which is taken up by a lot of rehearsals. I think being flawed is ok, part of being human. Eminence is full of mistakes and crap, everytime we screwed up major, we (try) to learn from it and make sure that kind of stuff don't happen again.
I think I'm going to get into trouble from posting too much from my staff... but let me have my fun =D |
It's a trap, get an axe.
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Actually, I think it may be some of the folks from within this thread who take this stuff a little too seriously that are making it a depressing topic. It's actually a bit of a compliment for our team that our arrangements, mic techniques and live mixing/engineering are so well done that people think it's a recording! :) And the show itself wasn't negative at all. Very positive in fact, especially for the 10,000+ fans and worldwide press who attended and enjoyed the event. Looks like the only ones a bit miffed are a couple of people in this thread who weren't there and were disappointed by the quality of an off-sync YouTube video and false misinterpretations about the way we produce our shows. That's fine. It's the internet... people are allowed to bitch and moan all they want. I just thought I would address some of the questions and inquiries given the fact that I've posted on this forum before. No reason for some folks to be hateful towards others... although as I mentioned earlier... this is the internet... can't really expect too much I suppose. :) But all that being said. I'm confused as to why you would be "deeply insulted" by all this? You shouldn't let some internet forum get you down or feeling bad about all the passion and hard work you do. What you do is fantastic. No need to feel insulted by any of it. Just my two cents. thanks, Tommy |
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My comments weren't meant to be derogatory towards VGL in any way, but rather to point out that even if VGL did pump some musical elements through the speakers (which I have been told is regularly done, perhaps incorrectly), it's nothing to get upset about. The "haha" was in response to the firestorm that appeared before my post. Anyway, sorry if I've been misinformed, but it's quite difficult when everyone tells you something different. I still don't know what to believe! In any case, I'm locking this thread since it has really digressed into a mudslinging match. Sorry for the mess! |
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