Gym Battlers Open
 

So you want to play like a pokemon gym leader. Cool! You've come to the right place! There is one catch though. And that is your type selection, how that will be done is explained below.

Current Sign Up Status: CLOSED
Sign ups are closed!

Tournament format: Round Robin

Since this is a round robin tournament you are required to fight everyone for at least one round. First to three wins/draws ought to do it, that means a minimum of three actual battles per person before switch against a new player. So be sure to log down your victories and losses! And post about it back here.

Points Break Down:
Win = 2 points
Draw = 1 Point (Either when each player's final Pokemon is KO'd in the same turn or when both players are in a deadlock lasting more than 10 mins. For the latter~ it is at both player's discretion to accept the draw. Not a requirement.)
Loss = 0 points

Once all players have done their rounds points will be tallied and the top 4 will battle it out for first place. Mostly to see who is the clear winner. To advance in the top 4, all you have to do is battle the person with more points than you (4th -> 3rd, 2nd -> 1st. Winner of those matches will then battle each other once.)

And one last thing. Any point ties that may effect placing in the top 4 will require a sudden death match (quick 3-on-3 battle.) An extra point will be given to the victor.

RULES:

• Battles will be done at the lv.100 preset in either 6-on-6 or 3-on-3. In case participants do not have enough time to make a full team that can comply with this tournament.
• All Pokémon in your team must be the same type you are given! Dual types are fine too.
• No Legendary Pokémon and Wobbuffet. Gym leaders are too awesome for that.
• Sleep Clause: At any one time only one pokemon on your opponent's team can be put to sleep by you.
• Benching is allowed. On top of your team of 6 Pokémon you are allowed 3 alternates. This should help keep battles somewhat less predictable.

How to Enter:

Here's the interesting part. And the only fair method I could think of without going over board. To enter, post in this thread saying you want to play. "Maybe" and "I think" do not count as this next part is crucial to this tournament's success.
Before entering your post to play type a number between 1 and 17, preferably a number that has not been picked. That number will determine the above poster's element type. Once that is done I will then PM the above poster's type and let things go from there. Since this happens to be the opening post I will choose the last poster's number right now. Don't worry I'll use something that will make the decision for me. Like ChocoDecide =D

I think that's all that needs to be said. Enter! Discuss and don't forget to pick my number poster #2 :gonk:

CURRENT PARTICIPANTS: (as of 12 Jun)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...FightingIC.gif - Sousuke - 0473-4335-9967
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...s/FlyingIC.gif - Black Mage - 2406-1602-4421
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...s/PoisonIC.gif - DarkMageOzzie - 2406-6070-8973
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...s/GroundIC.gif - Kairyu - 1246-5201-4026
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6.../PsychicIC.gif - Crash Landon - 0645-2635-1419
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...cons/BugIC.gif - Generic Badass - 4854-3643-9530
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...s/DragonIC.gif - Identity Crisis (Icy) - 3737-6076-6955
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...ons/FireIC.gif - radcliff13 - 1633-2877-6123
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...ons/DarkIC.gif - Chaotic - 1332-5334-3114
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...s/NormalIC.gif - Josiah - 3007-8067-3064

I'm in.

Chocodecide stole the number I was going to take!

Fine. I choose #4.

Definitely in. Crash took my number! :mad:

I'll take #5.

Sure, count me in!

Chaotic can have mystery element #15.

I just realized a tiny flaw with the type selection. Seeing that you guys don't know what type everyone else is using. And I do since I created the list. Would you be ok if I just reveal the selected types for each person? Do you care? :tpg:

I'll toss myself in here. I used to do this back in the Red/Blue days. Hopefully I can throw together a decent team.

Going with lucky #13

Also I don't think that matters all that much in the long run. Even if you know the main type, the secondary type could throw you completely off. Or you could have someone not involved redo the list.

I'm in!

Let's go with... #9.

I don't care if you know who's what type. I say keep it a secret, maybe only announce what type you are to everyone (then we know your type and you know ours, but no one else knows any other's type).

EDIT: In any case, the sooner we know our types, the better. I need to get to work right away on my team, so could we maybe PM you for our type, Kai? Or have you not assigned types to the numbers yet?

No, just post the list once the competition roster is complete. Once participation is finalized, there's not much anyone can do about who has what type. Plus, there's the intrigue of seeing who can pull a silk purse from a sow's ear with a less-than-ideal type (looking at you, Ghost.)

Aw, I wanted #13, heh. Anyway, I'm in! Just one question though. The level-100 setting... does that mean that all Pokemon are automatically adjusted to level 100, or just that they can be up to level 100 [but if they're say, level 70, they stay at 70]? Also, with the benching rule... That means we can essentially have a
team of 9, and just use the six [or three, if that's the case] we choose for that particular battle?

Also, no Legendaries... As there are so many now, could we possibly get a list of which are actually Legendaries? The only games I've owned are Red, FireRed, and Pearl, so I'm not totally up on the list these days.

And I choose you, #7!

Yeah, that's why I'm not worried about knowing what types you guys have to utilize. There's so much variation with types and moves it's almost a moot point.

Hmm fair enough. I don't think it'll effect anything in the long run anyway. I'm assigned with Ground types. You Rock, Fire and Poison types are going to get it!
The person below you wanting to play has to choose your number. So whenever he or she posts with that number is when I'll PM you your type.

edit:
also, yeah. The type listing is already complete. Right now I'm waiting on the participants to pick the numbers.

Oh, I missed that in your opening post. Right then, Sousuke, I hope you picked me an interesting type!

ADDENDUM: Damn you, Sousuke!

:tpg:

Kind of makes me wonder... a) What exactly you got that's so bad, and b) How Karma is going to hit me for it. :eagletear:

I'm interested in this as well as long as I can find a USB adapter so I can play online. But I'm also wondering a couple things like what Sousuke already asked.

And how are we going to organize this? Being I work on night crew now the hours I'm available at are weird, so that's leaving me uncertain how well I could participate.

The level 100 option means that level 100 pokemon will remain the same, and all pokemon level 99 and below are boosted to level 100. They obviously won't evolve your pokemon for you though, so make sure your choices are at least fully evolved before participating.

Matches are usually set up at a time that's convenient for both parties. If you think your hours are going to be too weird for anyone to be able to work with you, then you may want to consider not participating. Most of us are pretty flexible on the weekends, though.

Alright then, that works for me. I'll see if I can find an adapter this weekend. Time to pick a number then. I'll be uncreative and go with #1

Update: Decided rather then waste time looking around for one, I ordered one from Amazon with expediated shipping so hopefully it should get here early in the week.

Totally missed this post, sorry!

Yes, preset lv.100 means everyone in the battle will be at lv.100 and have lv.100 stats. Even if the pokemon is actually lv.70.

To be fair to whomever did get Ghost, I think Rotom should be fair game. Its stats aren't so amazing that it's going to unfairly dominate.

Hmm I knew that fact would be brought up =p.
Ok, I'll let in Rotom (and Phione) since their overall stats are average at best. And their move pool is no better than most other pokemon.

So, one more question. Let's say that my type is Water... Can I choose a Pokemon whose secondary type is Water?

Well you shouldn't look at a Pokemon's dual type as a secondary type. Like Water. It makes things unnecessarily complicated. Take Kabutops as an example. It's a Rock and Water type. It's weaknesses and strengths will be the same even if you said Kabutop's primary type is water instead of rock.
So, yes. You can pick that Pokemon as long as one of the dual type's elements matches your theme.

This sounds very interesting, but I could not possibly be prepared any time soon. Maybe next time, if there is another one.

I don't think it's taken, but I'll play, and go with #3!

I'm not sure I'll have time to make a good team in this time frame, but I'm sure I can get something.

So, I'm in and will provide number 16.

So I started playing again [nabbed myself a Cresselia!] and realized that most of my team is going to have to come from the GBA generation, so I popped in FireRed, and the game thinks that I've been screwing with the time on my DS. Now I'm apparently not allowed to transfer for 24 hours.

Augh. :psyduck:

Thanks for entering =D

You guys can have as much time as think you need. My weekday deadline is more of a guideline. I'd LIKE for everyone to be ready some time within the up coming work week but if you need more time then I'll give you more time.

Ouch D:

Well if it'll help speed things up I suppose I can trade you what you need (hopefully it's not too hard to find since I lack a AR.) Your choice though!

*reads type given*

Oy vey....this will be hard. It's a pretty big grab bag, but more than that, many of its contents will take quite a different strategy than I'm used to. Nevertheless, I accept! This should be interesting.

I'm actually pretty excited about the type I got... This should be pretty interesting. :3:

I'm pretty happy with my type, too. The problem is... One of the ones I want to include on my team is level 1, and you can't catch them in the wild... So I'll have to RAISE RAISE RAISE for the rest of the weekend. Heh.

And thanks Kai, but it's okay. I should be okay to transfer around 10pm tonight. :tpg:

I didn't get the type I was hoping for but mine isn't horrible either. I've got options at least. I suppose I'm lucky in that I'd already raised up a bunch that I could use in this, and that raising the last couple won't be too difficult or time consuming.

Once a person's team is done, Kai, do we PM the roster and movesets to you, or what?

Nah, no need for that stuff this time around. I trust you guys won't mess with your move pool once the tournament has started. We're just playing for fun, afterall.

I like my type, I just need to catch a couple of them first. ;_;

There's some preparation needed for this team! :mad:

My type is certainly interesting, but the list is kind of small and isn't full of the big names. Sadly, it was pretty much the only type I wasn't going to be excited to see.

Makes it fun, though!

My list isn't that big either, but it's got two or three that I'm excited to have on my team.

The fun part is... Well, it looks like my team will be mostly dual-type, with my type being secondary. Not because of lack of Pokemon that have my type, but the fact that the ones I want to use being something else. Should be intereesting, to say the least. :3333:

I'm happy with my type, but honestly there are very few types I would have dreaded getting stuck with. And those types I dreaded are more or less because I tend to release Pokemon I don't like. So for certain types I'd have quite a bit of hunting and capturing to do before I even could work on leveling.

I have some hunting and researching to do myself. I have maybe two pokemon of my given type that I suppose I could use but I'm not sure I really want to. Plus..well, I hope I'm not giving away my type here, I have a lot of pokemon to choose from, many of which I don't know much about.

I go by kind of a brute force strategy, but not too many of this type seem like they'd do very well with that. Oh well, can always try a different approach. We shall see!

EDIT: I think I got my choices picked out now, it's a matter of catching them and getting the moves I want.

Pokemon gym battlers
 

Sign me up!

Additional Spam:
my bad, i'll post number 2

Sent you a PM redcliff13 =o

Once that is confirmed I'll add you to the player roster. Also I think I'll close sign ups by the end of today (12am, -10hrs GMT.) Got to give the last player their type already =D

edit:
Also! If anyone has Pokemon Battle Revolution you are more than welcome to use that during the tournament (when possible of course!) Aside from Chaotic, Identity Crisis and myself does anyone else have that game?

So once all participants are finalized, will there be a spoiler list of who received what type?

I'm curious to see who's going to wipe the floor with me.

Why yes, I didn't dig up those type icon gifs for nothing!

:tpg:

I sold my copy off. I'm stuck using Pokemon Diamond. If the price heavily drops, then I'll go and pick myself up another copy.

No PBR for me, either. I don't mind battling via DS, though.

I will have it when I get my Wii back from a friend this week.

FYI - round robin info +
 

Ok, sign ups are now closed and this tournament is ready to go.
Well, almost. Just waiting on radcliff13, if I don't hear from him by the end of today I'll just drop him from the tournament.
Since this is a round robin tournament you are required to fight everyone for at least one round. First to three wins/draws ought to do it, that means a minimum of three actual battles per person before switch against a new player. So be sure to log down your victories and losses! And post about it back here.

Also, Points Break Down:
Win = 2 points
Draw = 1 Point (Either when each player's final Pokemon is KO'd in the same turn or when both players are in a deadlock lasting more than 10 mins. For the latter~ it is at both player's discretion to accept the draw. Not a requirement.)
Loss = 0 points

Once all players have done their rounds points will be tallied and the top 4 will battle it out for first place. Mostly to see who is the clear winner. To advance in the top 4, all you have to do is battle the person with more points than you (4th -> 3rd, 2nd -> 1st. Winner of those matches will then battle each other once.)

And one last thing. Any point ties that may effect placing in the top 4 will require a sudden death match (quick 3-on-3 battle.)

Oh, almost forgot!

So, yeah. Normal.

http://www.pokebip.com/pokedex/images/sugimori/400.png
Bibarel shall pwn you all!!

Just kidding. :riiight: Though I have been debating at least having him on the bench.

Nice little list there. :D This should be fun. I assume then we'll just take the battles on in whatever order we like, then post back here with the results?

Oh, and I guess I should post up my FC, cause I don't think I've done that here before... In any case, I'm 'Loki', located at 0473 4335 9967.

As soon as my Wifi adaptor arrives I'll post my FC. Man, I got alot of leveling up to do tommorrow. Weekend was busy...

Considering my type I'm actually worried about fighting against those guys ;_;

Basically, yes! The only thing I ask from you is that you log down your battle statistics. Like Wins, losses, what the heck happened, interesting notes, etc. Post it here in this thread or in a notepad, or something. Just be sure you are keeping a record so I can add it up later.

No problem, just start battling when you're ready. We're in no hurry! But let's not take one month to do this (like last time.)

Yep... Dark types.

My list ain't that deep, but there's a couple of gems in that collection.

Rawr, Tyranitar >:3

I shouldn't be giving the competition tips, but don't forget about Spiritomb if you can get one... no weaknesses.

I've got Heracross for a no-brainer, but the rest of the list is a little trickier for me.

I pretty much had my team set in stone the moment I was handed my type. It's a good thing I already had a couple of Dragons raised, but getting the rest up to par will be a bit time-consuming.

I'm still trying to figure out if I can make Shelgon a half-decent tank.

EDIT: I've been meaning to ask this, but do we go about challenging anybody we please, or is there some sort of structure as to who we'll be facing next?

Not unless someone uses a fighting type that knows foresight + a fighting attack :edgartpg:

I imagine a Shedinja with Double Team could be a real pain in the rear.

Oh, you can just go around and ask any gym leader player dude if they want to battle. Just be sure to log down your progress as I mentioned a few posts ago.

Scizor and a Drapion maybe? I'm leveling a Drapion myself because it's also Poison.

Forgot about that, just such a rarity against the AI to see that happen. I just remember hating Spiritomb in the last battle, I just dragoned it to death with Palkia.

Drapion's Poison/Dark, so that's a no-go. He loses his Bug type when he evolves. Scizor's okay, but... actually, I'd rather not talk about my strategy.

Josiah, I imagine that Double Team is banned. It usually is because of cheapness. Besides, it's actually really easy to hit Shedinja this generation.

Hmmm guess that explains why Fly didn't do squate to Drapion when I was fighting the elite four. That's silly that a giant Scorpion doesn't count as bug. That's almost like a fire breathing dragon only counting as fire and flying... oh wait.

Dunno, I didn't see anything saying it was banned. I lost one of my first Singles battles at the Battle Tower because the first thing the trainer pulled out was a Shedinja. Not only did I know little about that pokemon at the time, I think I also didn't have any moves out of the three I had picked that could actually hit him. Double Team with something like Confuse Ray might protect you against the types that actually will get you...unless the move's something like Aerial Ace.

Either way though, I don't have Bug or Ghost and I don't think DT is going to be part of my strategy. It might be one less headache for me if that move were banned, anyway.

Oh, gotta post my friend code before I forget.

3737-6076-6955

There probably should be a list of friend codes on the first post for convenience. Anyway, if anybody would like to get an early start on their Gym Leader match, I'll be available for the rest of today. Just be sure to give me your friend code beforehand so I can add you.

Good point, I'll throw mine up here too.

Friend Code: 2406-1602-4421


I happened to get Flying, and while it's not my favorite type there's a lot more variety in there than I initially thought.

I'll need a couple of days to get ready, especially since it's my finals week, but I'll do what I can to have a relatively playable team in a few days.

Fire types it is! I'm currently moving around so I won't have internet for about the rest of the week. But I'll let it be known when My fiery team is ready for action! And I'll get my friend code out also...:eagletear:

I'm not *quite* ready yet, but if anyone wants to do battle tomorrow, I should be good by then. I just have to add some [hopefully] finishing touches [read: moves] to my team. Which means hunting down some choice TMs. Beh.

I'm sure as hell not ready yet. ;_;

I need about two days. :tpg:

I believe that there is a very, very sneaky way around this, meaning that there's a specific Fighting-type Pokemon who should be able to hit Spiritomb with a Cross Chop, yet not require Foresight.

But I won't reveal it because I want to see if Sousuke can figure it out. Sousuke got the type I was hoping for, one I'm experienced with.

So, I'm the Psychic guy. It's one of the better types, offensively. They tend to have low defenses though, and that concerns me somewhat. I'm working on my last guy and then my bench will be set. I've got access to some good dual-types at least. Chaotic's team might pose a challenge but I think I can work around that. Just gotta find me a good Weavile counter because I know I'm gonna be facing that little sumnabitch.

(I guess I'm the lone participant who can shed a tear over Wobbuffet's ban.)

Yeah, Heracross is a given. I wouldn't underestimate Scizor or Forretress either. Yanmega's always been a top performer for me, and I'd also consider Shuckle. You might laugh but that little guy's a tank and a half. Scyther fills gaps that Scizor's lower speed can't handle, and even Armaldo can be a tough cookie. Plus, Shedinja is always a threat toward the end of a battle.

You don't realize how lucky you just might be. Normal was one of my top three preferences coming into this thing.

Out of curiosity, why exactly is Wobuffet banned?

Because it's moveset is entirely reactionary and mostly unfair.

This is basically the only Wobbuffet moveset you'll ever see, and you'll realize why it's pure cheese:

Counter
Mirror Coat
Encore
Destiny Bond

Its entire purpose seems to be to take something else down with it.

It's pretty slow, so all you have to do is give it a Focus Sash and even if it's OHKO'd before it acts, it'll still get a full-force Counter/Mirror Coat in before it goes down. Pretty cheesy way to play.

Actually none of those strategies are banned from this tournament. Just the Sleep Clause, Legendaries and Wobbuffet. My only reasoning behind it is that some types will be at a huge disadvantage if they were not allowed to do certain actions. Like Double Teaming.
Though I wouldn't encourage that kind of gameplay for everyone. Just focus on your strengths! Or completely throw your opponents off by doing something out of the ordinary.

I like this example:

Oh yeah, I remember. I trained _____ for just that reason using TM__ as the appropriate counter to Spiritombs. All I can say is, it works :tpg:.

So many counters for Wobuffett...

heads up, do you think there will be another tournament? I wouldn't mind participating in one on the weekend of the 29th..

It depends how fast we are. If we're quick about it I could hold another one by the second week of June. From what I can tell if no one is held up with anything for two weeks straight, we could be done within a week and a half from now.

I will be in Maine for the GFF Meet all of next week, so I don't specifically know when I'll be available. I won't have any direct obligations tying me down, such as work or otherwise but I might be participating in real-life exploits some of the time too.

I'll be packing my laptop and the wi-fi USB adaptor, at any rate. I'll try to get some matches in.

Ah shit, that's right. I forgot about your meet. Hopefully it won't be a problem if you have a wifi usb adapter. Internet is everywhere these days.

I think it's still going to take me a bit of time before I get the moves I want and such.

I'm thinking the biggest hurdles are the fairly narrow move pools I have to work with. You do have a point though, seeing as how many of the dual-types that include Normal (in fact, all but one, Normal/Water, of which Bibarel's the only member) cancel out the Fighting weakness. Bibarel's become more tempting for getting around some types that resist normal, too.

And...the option of a stab Return? Hmmmm..


Addition: Are we supposed to post our team (and benchers, if we have any) once we have it put together? I do remember it being said somewhere that movesets weren't required to be put up, or is that going to wait until we have the actual tournament?

Alright, time to ask. How's everyone doing? ANYONE ready yet? I'm close but I'm short on a couple key moves which I should have later today.

Team and move pool info are not required. If you're somehow unsure about your selection I won't stop you from asking around. Having a certain element of surprise is partially why this tournament is awesome =D

Additional Spam:
Also, I need FCs from the following players:
DarkMageOzzie
Crash Landon
radcliff13
Josiah

The rest I found at GFwiki. I assume they still work. If not, post back here and say so!

My friend code is: 0645 2635 1419.

My team is set and ready to rumble. I do have a wi-fi USB adapter, and will take it with me on my trip.

I'm still trying to get together all the pokemon I want with the right moves. I've got six to raise now to get the appropriate moves, but I'll still need more time to get some alternates ready. Once I feel the first six are ready I'll post my FC, I'm thinking it'll be a day or so.

My code's changed. It's 4854 3643 9530 now.

Ok, I've got a problem. I got the wifi adapter but it won't install. It gets near the installation and tells me to connect the adapter, even though it's already connected(It told me to put it in earlier). I read that this thing has issues with firewalls. Does that include Windows Firewall? If so I'm screwed because Windows Firewall is part of Service Pack 2, so I can't really get rid of it.

First, I need some information. What brand of wifi usb adapter did you get, exactly? And what OS are you using? WinXP x32 or x64? From what I gather the adapter will not work with 64bit OSes.

A few things you can also try:
- Unplug the adapter, reboot and start the installation over. Do not plug in the adapter until told to do so.
- If you feel it is a firewall issue you can disable it (go to Control Panel > Firewall) and see if your installation completes that way. If you have more than one active, well, you shouldn't running more than one anyway. So turn them off. As that causes all sorts of conflicts.
- No idea if you're using a router but you may need to switch your home network address to something other than 192.168.1.0 (your adapter uses this, apparently.) If you have no idea what I'm talking about just PM me and I'll try to walk you through that.

I think I'm ready.

Anyone wanna go for the first battle? [Also, the way you described it, Kai, was that we sort of do a 'best of three' kind of deal... Is that right?]

No!
I did mean first to three wins. Like Chaotic's SSBB tournament. So it is possible to have as many as 5 battles per person. But I get the feeling it won't be like that with a lot of players. Especially me :(

Oh, I see. I thought we were to battle every other person in the tournament. Only having to win three times opens a whole new window of strategy, to be honest. :o

Eh, I think he means we battle every other person in the tourney, and for each of those fights it's first to three wins. ..Or did I read that wrong?

@Sousuke - *cough* Again, No :tpg:

It's more lengthy than that. You do have to meet every participant once. You are to battle against each of them at least three times, ie first to three wins (up to five if you're having crazy close matches.) Hence the point system and why you, the player, are required to keep track of your progress. Because that's a lot of info to track by myself.

Things I would specifically like to know:
- Wins
- Losses
- Draws
- Total number of Pokemon you KO'ed
- Total number of Pokemon you lost
- Additional notes (A summary, I suppose. But that isn't required.)

I hope I'm not confusing anyone :(
If I am, ask!

Whoops, I meant to say 'best of five' for each player.

Anyway~

Sousuke vs Identity Crisis - Round One

Simply put... Sousuke got slaughtered. :eagletear: Lost all six Pokemon, unable to take down ANY of his opponents... [We opted to finish the other battles later, as Identity Crisis is off somewhere.]

I'll repost this with the full battle log when we finish the match, too. I just wanted to put my loss out there. xD

My friend code is up on the first page now. Thanks to Kairyu I'm all set up. I just need alittle more time to level Pokemon.

Well, here's the first full report.

A little status update from me: aside from saving up for some TMs, I've got four Pokemon ready. I could probably have a full team ready by the end of the weekend, but I've got a bit of a busy start of the coming week. (This week's been a bit busy too.) I'm pretty sure I'll be ready to duke it out by the middle of next week or so.

As well as an update for me, still need to evolve half my team, as well get good movesets.

I should be ready next week too.

Ah ok *bunch of slackers*

Well my team will be ready by tomorrow, I hope. I just need to level up two pokes to get moves, that will destroy the competition :tpg:.
I'm looking at you, Identity Crisis!

I'll hopefully be ready after the weekend is over. I have today and Sunday off. It's just a matter of grinding those levels out. Oh yeah and Kairyu catch me on AIM if you got a chance I want to ask you something.

Hopping on the next week bandwagon here.

I appealed to some of my co-workers as I know from previous battles they had some nice IV Pokemon I could utilize as parents for this, but they all kind of let me down for this weekend. Should be in touch with them early next week, though I've begun to work on spares in the event they continue to fall through on me.

So yeah, early next week I should be ready.

Kairyu vs Identity Crisis
 

Oh shit, I did my first round against Icy's dragon gym. And my god it was close, too close. The deciding factor was few HP from one of Icy's pokemon ._.

Report:
I LOST! 3 - 2! But I gave him a huge run for his money.

1. First battle was a 6v6, we traded hits on the first two pokemon but my combination of moves + perfect prediction gave me the advantage. So, I easily won there with 4 pokemon to spare.

2. Second match. It got much closer here. Also add the fact we both agreed to make it a 3v3 to help make things move faster. Not sure how I got the win here but I'm pretty sure I ended up tanking him to death =p. Well I managed to survive with one pokemon, good for me!

3. And this is where my luck ended. I don't want to give anyway too many details about Icy's team but he basically raped my team with the only Dragon-type capable of piercing my defenses. A Kingdra. It wasn't pretty when his overpowered Surf plowed through everything. I lost while Icy had 2 surviving pokemon in this 3v3 battle.

4. Similar situation, but we kept things random by switching up a few pokes. It didn't help me one bit as I completely didn't expect so much power from that one dragon of his. I lost while Icy had 2 pokemon leftover in that 3v3.

5. The tie breaker. I'm surprised he managed to survive my final attack here which could've given me a close victory. But I underestimated his defenses and paid for it in HP. Both down to our last pokemon, I flailed out one final Ice Shard. But his last dragon with full HP just ate like it was shave ice. One flamethrower later it was over. Icy wins again here with 1 surviving pokemon. Very good game though!

Final Count:
Kairyu: Lost 13 Pokemon, defeating 13.
Identity Crisis: Lost 13 Pokemon, defeating 13.
Played one 6v6 and four 3v3 matches.

lawl, at least I tied it up in death count!

Kai! :3:

You up to battling FIGHT type today?

I should be ready by thursday. My wireless internet is getting fixed that day, so I'll be able to battle by thursday night. Sorry for such a long delay, if I can find a wireless internet that isn't firewalled I'll let you guys know.

Sure, why not :333:

If you have an IM contact that'd be handy in case we have trouble connecting. You can find my IM info in my profile.

Gotcha on AIM. If you're okay for a go, just let me get my team ready. :D


[edit] Ouch. Will post a report as soon as I can make sense of what just happened. xD

Apologies for eating you alive back there. But that's how the ground types roll :tpg:.

Hopefully you will have better luck against the other types!

I'm still saving up for some TMs, but otherwise my team is ready, with the three alternates in the works! However, I'm going to be busy tonight and tomorrow, but Thursday should work for anyone wanting to have a go.

Friend Code: 3007 8067 3064

Alright, updated the first post =D

All we're missing now is radcliff's FC but he said he should have one by the time you're ready, Josiah. Also, I haven't heard from Xardion in awhile nor has he responded to my PM. Anyone know if he's still available to play?

Okay! If anyone wants to battle me, I should be available from mid-afternoon on today (I'm on Eastern Standard Time). I could battle tomorrow but it'd have to be by mid-late afternoon. Saturday's pretty much the same deal as Friday for me.

I'm on EST and starting tommorrow I'll accept battles from anyone who wants to set them up with me. I'm usually available 2pm-9pm on my work days and my days off are Tuesday and Saturday. I have AIM but if you want to set up a time you're better off PMing me since if I'm playing Age of Conan I won't have AIM open.

I have a battle report to submit. Not to rub it in, but..

Icy's streak has been ended by Normal!



Now, I do have a question about this that I'm pretty sure hasn't been answered either way, at least in this thread. Prior to Round 3 or 4 (though I'm fairly sure it was 4), I switched items on one of my pokemon. Is it okay to do that between fights? If not, I'll make it a point not to do that anymore. At the time I thought if the answer were no, it would have been stated in the opening post based on experience from prior tournaments.

...On the other hand, considering how Round 4 went down, I don't think the change made much of a difference. The switch was made on the first pokemon.

Josiah appears to be offline, so I'll provide the details of our match!



EDIT: Oh, ha, he came back. I'm still not going to delete this. I already spent some minutes typing it out.

So Icy is not invincible =O

Hey Josiah, I'll be available to do a match tomorrow afternoon or evening. Is that alright?

It's ok to switch out hold items between matches. The only thing I expect you guys not to do is switch out your movepool to give yourself an advantage. That's why you're allowed to bench three more team members.

Heh, it's all good Icy, you provided a few details I forgot. Plus for some reason Round 4 was already getting foggy in my memory and you were able to clear that up. Same deal with Round 2.

EDIT: Yeah, I should be able to in the afternoon, Kai. It'll have to be early/mid afternoon though as I've got something important in the evening. Just remember I'm on EST.

Anyone wanna have a match tommorrow? Sometime after 2pm preferably?

2pm EST? I'm up for a battle, it's been a few days since my last. :3

Yeah, if you wanna have it at around 2pm. I'll try to be on AIM so we can set up the battle. Anyhow, I'm off to work so I'll check your response when I get back.

Kai got too sucked into Dr. Mario Rx last night for he and I to play today, so we might give it a go tomorrow if our schedules are free enough.
DarkMageOzzie's title under his av gave me an idea. What if we all did a theme for this tourney with "<type> Trainer" or "<type> Gym Leader" for titles and some Pokemon of that type for an av and a matching sig linking to the thread? The Pokemon avatars wouldn't necessarily have to be a Pokemon we actually use, just maybe some non-legendary commonly associated with that type, such as Charizard for Fire, Dragonite for Dragon, etc.

It's just a thought, but I have been contemplating a change of av/sig and it'd be a nice one. Not quite sure what I'd have for the sig, though. Maybe some combination of the Gamingforce banner and the Pokemon logo with "GYM BATTLERS OPEN" on it somewhere?

Oooh, that's a fun idea. I could even go back to the av/sig I was using about a week ago. :3

Anyway, Ozzie, I think I added your AIM to my list, but for some reason, Miranda absolutely WILL NOT connect to my account. I have no idea why. It was fine the other day, and then all the sudden it stopped working. I'll try to figure it out by then, but if not I'll PM you here and we can go from there.

This was a quick job at what I was thinking for a sig if we did this. I'm not great at this kind of thing, so if someone else with the skills feels like it, they can run with this idea.
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h1...ffpokegbo2.gif

:tpg:
I'm thinking about it. So it'd be like a pseudo-ava/sig theme week? That'd be cool. I was thinking every participating member could put in a low-profile sig to show what gym he or she represents. With a little photoshopping that won't be too hard to make it for all 17 types. But I'll leave it up to the person if they want to change their avatar too =o.

Hell, if that's the case, then my Umbreon set is making a comeback. :3:

I'd participate. I like the ava/sig I already have going, but the theme, uh, unspecified amount of time should definitely get me out of my recent design lethargia. I might even make a custom badge sprite for myself if I can muster up the creativity.

Or we could make it Pokeforce: let me show you them.

I'll probably see if I could make myself a badge or something soon. That would be an interesting project.

The little open space above "Gym Battlers Open" could be used to insert a small iimage of a pokemon of the person's type for individualized sigs.

Anyhow, I'm off to sleep. Aside from my match tommorrow, I also need to drop my 360 off at UPS so it can get repaired.

The gym theme sigs sound great too, but silly me even after the Brawl theme week is still gimped with GIMP for image editing. I haven't the foggiest why it seemed to think the Pokemon logo's traditional shade of yellow was this more sandstone-type color, even when I tried filling it.

DarkMageOzzie vs Sousuke

Kairyu vs DarkMageOzzie
 

Awesome, I got to do a match today =D

DarkMageOzzie vs Icy

On a slightly unrelated note, Kairyu and I have been designing gym badges. Kairyu has drawn the design concepts, and I've converted the sketches into sprites. If anybody is interested in having one for their own type specialty, feel free to contact either of us and submit some sort of design prerequisite for us to follow by.

Here are a couple of examples:
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/1144/bigbadgewi1.gif (Dragon)
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/1...ndstormot9.gif (Ground)

They're relatively small, so they could easily fit in signature space without taking up too much room.

Can you pixelate this? This is what I want for my badge. Of course, make it smaller too. :3:

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/601/darkbadgecr2.png

"Gangrel" wasn't a pokemon type last time I checked.

Close enough, Pang. It associates itself with darkness which is the type I got, so it works out. <_<

Honestly, I had no idea about the symbol as I just downloaded it in a font pack. Ironically, it worked out and now I have a nickname for my Mightyena. :tpg:

The badge idea sounds fun, but...well..I confess I have difficulty coming up with what would make a good badge for "Normal". :tpg:

How about a Smiley face? Or a Z since alot of normals have some kind of ability involving sleep.

I've got a rather simple idea for my badge, but I've felt like shit all day and haven't really wanted to do anything. XD

Anyway, you know the fist animation that appears when you use something like Focus Punch [I think?] or ThunderPunch? If anyone wants to badge-ify that for me, I'd be happy. :3: Also, I like the shine/sparkle thing you've got on your badges, Icy.

Mm, I dunno about the Z. Plus, sleep moves aren't all limited to normals. Ghosts, bugs and psychics can have them too.

So, are we going with just the badges in addition to our regular av/sigs, or do you all feel like going all-out with it? I don't mind the latter unless I end up being the only guy doing it, and then I'd feel kind of dumb.

EDIT: A quick and crude example of one idea for gym sigs.
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h1.../gffpokeav.gif

I know but with Jigglypuff and Snorlax it's a defining part of their character.

Thanks to Icy for the wonderful paaaaaaauuuunch! badge. :3:

Uh, I can't take all of the credit, so be sure to thank Kairyu too. He came up with the sketch behind the badge!

Now that you mention it I'll go ahead and post the sketches I've done so far :3:.
Normal Badge
Pauuuunch Badge
Sandstorm Badge
Sludge Bomb Badge
Please excuse the quality, I honestly did not spend much time on them as they're just mock up sketches for Icy to draw out as pixelart badges.

Anyway! I'm available to do some battles in about 2 hours. If you don't mind getting some sand in your eye just call me out.

Thanks Kairyu~ :3:

Those sketches look pretty good. I'm liking the Sludgebomb badge.

Yeah thanks for doing that. Got myself a little av/sig scheme set up with it now, looks good.

Finally got my badge too. MapleStory inspired actually, in-turn will be called the Beholder Badge.

Thanks, Icy. :3:

And I wanna make my Dark Theme set, but Acer just gave me this hilarious stuff. ;_;

But when it does go back, Umbreon and the String Shot will make a comeback. :mad:
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Original - http://media.strategywiki.org/images...der_Summon.png
Badge - http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/4...arknesslh1.gif

Additional Spam:
Finally, I'm done with my damn training and I could finally battle now. It took long enough. :mad:

I'm supposed to battle with Icy today, so PM me when you're free today.

I've been working my butt off since the last of my finals wrapped up yesterday, and I have about half of my team ready (excluding reserves, which I don't think I'll have time for). Some of you will be seeing me really soon! ...Others (notably the, uh, Flying and Rock leaders) will probably have to approach me first.

I have something lined up for an av/sig theme, too.

So I finally had my first match. Ironically against Icy who was my first opponent in the first Pokemon tournament here as well.

Like his Flying Type team in the first tournament, I got raped by Dragons this time. Mostly because half his flying team was there. ;_;

Alright, after driving 550 miles to Maine, spending a week with other GFFers under one roof, visiting relatives down the coastline, and driving 530 miles the other way, I'm finally home.

The good news is that my Pokemon team is ready for battle. The bad news is that I'm pretty well exhausted tonight and have to work at 9AM in the morning.

So once I'm settled in again, I'll give word and contact people about getting those fights finished.

Meanwhile, I see we're adopting "leader" av/sig themes? I think something with a twisted spoon, on a purplish background, would make a good Psychic Badge. If somebody wouldn't mind designing that, I'd be grateful.

Alright, though it took much longer than I thought it would, I've got my team all set up (minus alternates, but eh). So I'll be available to do matches at any time!

Just drop me a line and we can go from there.

Sounds good. In the mean time I tried my hand at your badge. If you like it I'll go ahead and give it to Icy when he gets back.
Link to the Spoony Badge.

Are you going to be on a little while longer? I already have a match scheduled in less than 30 minutes (against the normal types.) If you'll be out by then we can have the match tomorrow.

Of course. I'll be around for a few more hours.

Least I can do after taking so long. Feel free to PM me whenever you're ready.

If anyone wants to battle me, just hit me up with a PM and a timeframe or something.

Don't know if I can do three matches in one sitting, Chaotic. Tomorrow will work much better for me :3:.
I'll send you a PM when I'm available.

Sure. Tomorrow would probably be a better time for me anyway.

Can't do this Thrursday or Saturday though. Thursday, I'm getting my wisdom teeth pulled. Saturday, family party with no internet access.

Josiah vs. Kairyu
 

Here's the lowdown:

The spoon looks great. Originally, I was leaning toward a more angular background but after looking at the others, there seems to be a lack of circular badges. Even the Poison one is more octagonal.

So yes, that will work nicely. Thank you.

I'm up for a match tonight, if anybody's bored. Just hit me up on AIM and I'll probably pick it up; I'll just be watching some TV.

[edit] I like how a lot of us are also using the Pokemon Gijinka art as av/sig art. It fits together nicely.

Josiah vs. Sousuke
 

The report:



EDIT: Er, by the way, I forgot to say thanks to Kairyu for providing a better-quality pic of my avatar. Much appreciated.

Kairyu vs Black Mage
 

Haha yeah, Generic Badass linked me to the site yesterday. I might make a set for myself later this week to match it with you guys. But we'll see!

Wait, there's a SITE? I actually found it through a friend on LJ who posted an incomplete ZIP of most of the photos, trying to get together a cosplay group. Then yesterday I did a search, but the most I could find was a Photobucket album. :/

Link plz? :3:

Sent you a PM about that :3:


Anyway, I'm still available to do at least one more long match. If I don't get a reply soon I'm going to go down my hit list!

OK! Sorry for the long delay, but the Fire Gym Leader is ready to battle! I would like to do only 3v3 for the time being. I will be able to begin battling today at 6pm or later. My friend code is 1633 2877 6123.

If I can finish this one pokemon before then, rad, I'll fight you in a 3 vs. 3. This should be a little difficult, but I'll do my best!

EDIT: Okay, I won't be able to finish that one guy, but I'll go ahead and fight you anyway, rad. I'll register your friend code now and be here at around 3 PM PST (6 PM EST).

Additional Posting of Excellent Quality:
Well, I lost 0-3 against the Fire Gym. Knowing that fire is coming every single turn meant that I was completely paralyzed in terms of switching, so once a person was out, they stayed until dead (ie, they didn't stay out long). Needless to say, very difficult match! I better got a hold of some real hold items by next match, too. Leftovers on my Heracross-that-got-OHKOd-every-time isn't exactly useful!

I lost 9, he lost 4-5. Can't remember.

I will be on for the rest of the night, so just PM me if anybody wants to do a 3v3 battle with the Fire Gym!!

I guess I'll also be up for a match, if anyone's interested.

EDIT: I should mention that I'm still only available for 3 vs. 3 until tomorrow. Sorry about that, Chaotic.

EDIT: ...and Icy, and Kai, and...

I also finished my Gym Leader match with radcliff13. However, he doesn't have enough Pokemon for a 6v6, so all of our matches have been 3v3.



Good games. It's kind of a shame you didn't have more Pokemon to fight with though. I left my choices as is thinking it would be more fair if you knew as much as possible about my team as I did about your team.

Kairyu vs radcliff13
 

Yo, GB. I'm up for a match. Sending a PM now~

edit:
nevermind, I can wait!

Kai, I know exactly how you feel. ;_;

radcliff didn't have much of a team to switch out to, I felt bad sweeping him with Fang. :(

Guuuwah, what the hell. That was the lamest Dark Gym I've ever been in ;3

I leave Chaotic to make the report of that match. Excuse me while I go cry in my muddy corner.

Go cut yourself in the dark also. It will be easy to bury the body under all that mud. >:3



The match was still epic though. :333:

::mad::
 

Here's a more accurate description of the matches. Shows more emphasis on the explosions =D



Seriously, you kicked my ass but it was still epic. Nice job :tpg:

Whoa. I thought that's what happened when trying to divide by 0.

...Or when you delete your saved data for Brawl.

Black Mage vs Icy
 

Icy and I have just finished our Gym Leader matches, and though we got off to a rough start the matches turned out to be extremely intense.



Great matches Icy! It's no surprise the matches were intense, especially considering the overlap of our types.

Alright, I think I could go for one more tonight, if anyone wants. If not, I'll be free pretty much any time after noon (EST) tomorrow, so if anyone wants a match just let me know.

Icy and I had our match not that long ago, with the matchup ending in victory for him, 3-0. The only thing I can boast about is... that I never got swept, I guess. Otherwise I was pretty much bested in most ways.

I'll be available the rest of the day till about 6 AM EST if anyone wants to set up a match. Just send me a PM and I'll check back after I go pick up dinner.

Hello slowly dying thread! Just checking up on everyone. How's everyone doing here? I haven't gotten to look through every report posted in here but from the looks of it things are moving well enough.

Out of the 10 players I'm supposed to fight, I've fought 7 already. This leaves:
-Generic Badass
-Crash Landon
-Xardion (?)

But I haven't heard or seen any activity from Xardion since the time he posted here. So unless someone knows he's still interested or can at least pass a message directly to him, I will cross out his name from the roster by monday.

I'd very much like to finish this tournament by the end of next week! And maybe start sign-ups again by mid-June, if everyone is ok with that.

Also, in case anyone is wondering when I'm available to battle. It probably won't be tomorrow (Sunday.) I will however be available to fight Monday through Friday, usually in the late afternoon to evening hours. Again my timezone is weird compared to most. -10hrs GMT to be exact.
I'll try to send out PMs ahead of time let you know if I can battle.

As far as my list goes:

Sousuke
Black Mage - Still need to fight. Priority match at this time.
DarkMageOzzie
Kairyu - Massive explosions. :3:
Crash Landon
Generic Badass - Lost. :(
Xardion
Identity Crisis - Lost horribly. :(
radcliff13 - I wish to do a rematch against you. It didn't seem fair that you only had three Pokemon at the time.
Josiah

I'll see how much I can do this week. o_o Feel free to hit me up with a PM if you wanna battle. I'll see how well I could keep to a schedule. Sorry, BM. :( Busy as of lately.

So what are you planning for the next tournament, Kai? Normal stuff? More gym leader stuff? Or do we actually determine the GFF Pokemon League?

I've only fought Kairyu, Sousuke, and Icy so far. BTW Kairyu you realize you don't have Icy listed in the first post?

Icy is Identity Crisis. o_o

I don't know if we can make a league out of this, we need more players for that =p
Right now, if this tournament is finished soon I may try a take two of this tournament. I'm sure some of us are itching to get a different type, unless you have a better idea!

I really should fix that, sorry!

Hmm... Ideas?

Might be complicated, but it's worth a shot. 15 boxes, containing names of three different Pokemon. Participants choose two boxes (or three if they want reserves again), and that will be their team for the tournament.

It could be as random as Salamance, Spinda, and Kakuna in one box, or Gengar, Abra, and Khangaskhan in another.

Dunno, just tossing up ideas. I have another, but it might be too overly complicated. <_<

That would be pretty random. And I mean that in a bad way xD. Mostly because these internet based tournaments tend to last weeks instead of a day or two. People might regret signing up after finding out he or she is stuck with a team of unusable and craptastic Pokemon. While someone else may get a team of OU/BL pokemon.

Though it is a good idea if this were done in, say, an actual building where we would meet for a day.

True. o_o

Then I suppose my other idea is going down the shitter also.

Remember the Neon Colosseum type battling in PRB? That.

Haha!

Why stop there? Let's do what the Sunset Colosseum did and randomly swap our best pokemon with everyone! Then battle it out and see who got lucky. Winner gets to keep the team, forever :tpg:

Ok that's enough out of me, I'm stupid tired right now~ Again, everyone! Let's try to get our matches done. We don't have all summer, here.

That was plan three! :tpg:

And this is where cloning comes in. :3:

I had an idea yesterday, but I didn't write it down. Crap.

I'll try to remember what it was. It had something to do with weight...

I'm honestly not sure which of my pokemon is my best, as some have seemed more suitable for some battles than others.

..Nobody's getting my "Sir Kills-A-Lot". Or my other "Sir Kills-A-Lot". :33:

As for battling, I had a pretty busy weekend with other stuff, but I'll probably be able to pick up on it again later this week.

EDIT: ...Hey, where'd my badge go? That's odd... :fixes:


When this is all done, perhaps the winner (or top X players) should challenge Miles to a match with their team. Having a title like "leader of all gym leaders" without being a participant in this tourney seems like rather big talk to me.

I think the term would be Champion (or Elite Four if Miles suddenly acquired schizophrenia). He'd have to face those of us with badges if he was willing to make his title official. The order he faces us would be determined by the ranks in the tournament. Oddly and conveniently enough, the total badges made for this ava/sig chain comes out to eight.

But enough with the pointless digression.

The only matches that I still need to complete are with Crash Landon and Xardion. Also, wasn't my name fine as is in the first post? Icy in parentheses rather than as my main name should clear up the confusion as to who I am/was.

I should be available most of tomorrow, if anyone is interested in battle. I'm pretty much finished with my pokemon, but my hold items still suck. :\

I'll do my best.

deadline
 

Oh, I would like for that to happen. If he honestly wants the Gamingforce champion title he will have to fight the top four that placed in this tournament, at least. And if we were to go the whole nine yards technically he can't fight them until he collects the eight gym badges for this region, err I mean board.
Awesome, I'll toss you a PM tomorrow then.


Attention!
One more thing, everybody. I can't keep this tournament going forever so I'm posting a deadline for all those slackers. You have until June 15th (yes, that is a Sunday) to finish your matches. Point totals on that day will be finalized and the top four will then be determined.
If you don't have time or just too busy, tell me! I'll do my best to arrange something otherwise I recommend that you forfeit and wait until the next tournament.

Oh shit.

Black Mage, PM me a good time for you~!!

Agreed.

I'll be around tomorrow for most of the day, so PM me, or nab me on AIM. Thursday I'm having more wisdom teeth out, so I'll probably be pretty out of it, but should be up for a match or two on Friday.

I have Thursday and Friday free from work (finally!), and I've no monumental plans. I can cram some matches in then.

I'll be fighting you then, Crash. Count on it. :mad:

Earlier today I was working on my main comp when the display suddenly turned into a fizzle of blue and white (I guess because I was on these forums when it happened). I haven't been able to get my comp started back up since. ...I'm thinking the problem might be hard drive failure. :><: I have another comp with wireless capability, but I've been having trouble keeping the connection stable. It likes to just suddenly drop after a little while.

Now, while that doesn't interfere with my Nintendo WFC connection per se (since I learned to connect my DS directly to the wireless network here instead of through Nintendo's USB connector), it makes communication a bit difficult. I should still be able to battle at certain times in the following days, but it didn't help to have a day knocked out by this. :psyduck:

Kairyu vs Generic Badass
 

You should have heard my "Nooooooooooo!" when Halo came out during your Sand Veil, Kai. He was promptly removed from my party for the last two matches.

I remembered what my idea for a new tournament was. How about we have it so everyone must build a team from pokemon that have to be able to learn one specific move (excluding Rain Dance and things like that)? Like, all pokemon must be able to learn Spikes (they don't have to have it learned, they just need to be able to learn it in order to be eligible).

Or add on to that and make a variety of different restrictions people must follow-- like, say, pokemon must weigh within 150-250 pounds, pokemon must be 2-4 feet high, pokemon must be categorized as red in color, etc.

Oh you should've heard me say, "Oh, cool. That must've been an important part of his strategy. Now die, Fol-eva!" :tpg:

Hmm as for the tournament idea, I like it! I'll have to think more about it though. I'm sure there's some interesting applications that we can setup as a future tournament.

Well fuck. ;_;

I think you may have noticed what I did wrong in that first battle, and I just threw a fit afterwards and flung whatever I could at you. Man, that was tough.

Yeah, about that whole using the touch screen thing. Please kill yourself for this.

You're this close to earning a diss, newb. >:(

Simpuh zuh best.

If anyone wants to set up a match over the next few days PM me. I'll be available Thursday(Today) and Friday 3pm-9pm. Saturday I'll be available 3pm-6am since I have the day off. Times are EST. Heck you guys should be lining up to face me. I've lost every match so far, it could be an easy win.

I'll catch you later tonight for battling, since Black Mage hasn't gotten back to me yet about continuing our match. Definitely wanna finish up my matches.

And just adding this back in so I could update it:

Sousuke
Black Mage - Still need to fight.
DarkMageOzzie - Next in line.
Kairyu - Massive explosions. :3:
Crash Landon
Generic Badass - Lost. :(
Xardion
Identity Crisis - Lost horribly. :(
radcliff13 - I wish to do a rematch against you. It didn't seem fair that you only had three Pokemon at the time.
Josiah

Chaotic, I'll try to get to you tomorrow. :3: I doubt I'll be in the right frame of mind to play tonight, but it looks like you have a couple battles lined up anyway.

Just one that hasn't gotten back to me yet, and one lined up for tonight. If possible, I'm up for battling late night tonight to early tomorrow morning. I'll probably be up til 4 AM doing nothing anyway.

Thought I should mention it since I'm unsure of my schedule for the next two days.

Josiah, Xard, Crash, get back to me if you can battle me in the next three days.

Okay. I'm available right now, and will continue to be available for the remainder of the evening. I have my DS and USB connector ready, all you have to do is PM me. Then we can get the match on.

In case you missed it, my friend code is: 0645 2635 1419.

Josiah vs. DarkMageOzzie

The result:

Well... I don't think there is really enough time for another battle before work. So hopefully I'll catch you guys in the next two days. Not like I'm gonna win the tournament anyhow though.

Oh, dang. I was just about to IM you for our battle. Well, I'm off tomorrow also, so we can try for then. I.C. is waiting to fight too, so I'll skip directly to him.

Also: Crash vs. Kairyu!

Just be glad I decided not to use my ice storm dodging instead :tpg:
It wouldn't have worked anyway there were Grass Knots everywhere! Nice matches though!

I'm free now, so if anyone wants to fight me now, please PM me.

I'm still hoping to catch Generic or radcliff tonight first. If they don't turn up for a while and I'm not feeling too tired, I'll give you a jingle, Chaotic.

Holy crap, Crash and I just had some epic games. The match was decided by one very small increment of HP!

That was indeed an epic contest. Who'd expect Psychics to put up such a strong front against the dominant Dragons? I'm not even mad about losing, as it was one hair away from a victory. One life point. That's all that seperated us from exchanging win-loss records. How much closer can any pairing be?

I wish all my battles could be that close. One-sided victories and losses are so dull.

Crash~, what going on?

Do you still have my FC on your Pal Pad? I had to re-add a lot of people since it deleted almost half my list. I added you back on, and it's according to what the first post said.

I'm checking that now. Hold on one moment.

EDIT: Okay, apparently your friend code changed since last year? I saw your name in my codes and assumed it would be fine. I've updated the information and can see you now.

Okay, so... Wisdom teeth suck. By tomorrow, I should be in the right frame of mind to play, so hit me up! I've already potentially got a match arranged with Crash, but beyond that, I'm completely open until sometime on Sunday afternoon.

So, excluding Crash, I have yet to battle... Black Mage, Generic, radcliff, and Chaotic.

[edit] I just noticed that Xardion is in my Pal Pad, but he's not on the front page anymore. Did he drop out?

Well fuck me silly twice. ;_;


You're a good trainer. Even with the type advantage, I still got beat pretty badly. I need to work on my trainer skillz. :33:

Well more like I dropped him out. The waiting game was getting a bit long on his end so I decided it was best to remove Xardion from the roster. I don't think anyone has actually battled him anyway =/

I've decided to grin through the pain [the tylenol-4 is working tonight! yay!] and battle with Chaotic. I don't see you yet though! Unless you're just being slow... I thought I might not have had your FC right, but I just checked and it's the right one. Where are you? :333:

Oh there you are! :3 Time for me to get pounded into the ground...

[edit]

Well fuck me silly thrice. ;_;



Damn, that was too close. I REALLY REGRET THAT DECISION. :gonk:

It's also odd that I do better with the type disadvantage match than I do with the type advantage match. o_o

Yeah, when I attacked Reaper and saw myself miss, I thought 'OHCRAPNOWIDIE.' And then you used Swords Dance and I was just like. :twitch: :tpg:

And the rest is history. :3:

Crash Vs. Josiah!



No explosions!?

Bah, that second round was dirty. Quite dirty from a pokemon that has nasty potential to begin with, just not in the way I expected. ..Oh well, I felt I was going to be pretty outmaneuvered and outgunned in this battle anyway, and so I was.

Crash Landon Vs. DarkMageOzzie!




Ozzie did the best he could in an uphill battle. I came in with both a type and general speed advantage. I knew it was an unfair fight and don't feel as though I got to see his full potential. A shame there's no Grass leader for him to shine against. It shows how much Poison has been shafted by the designers.

Thanks for the match, Ozzie!


Crash Vs. Sousuke!!

I still had fun inspite of the butt kicking I've recieved in every match I've had. It doesn't help that I didn't have more of the tough Poison types like Nidoking or Nidoqueen ready in time for the tournament. Doubt I would do much better against a grass trainer. Too many of the grass pokemon also have a type that negates their poison weakness. Like Grass/Poison or Grass/Bug.

Great matches, Crash.

Good god Crash :tpg:
I think you're going to break Icy's win record at this rate. You built one hell of a team.

That damned Shedinja was a problem throughout our entire match. Knowing it could appear forced me to automatically exclude three or four of my Pokemon from use, as they'd never beat it.

And if you didn't lead with the Shedinja, you'd lead with that other beast. There was no way I could let that thing get powered up. (I noticed you use the same opening combo with it that I do. Props for that.)

Kai: If I don't get any response from radcliff or Black Mage, I won't be able to break any records.

Yeah, I was pretty much the broom used in Crash's ass-whooping sweep. :tpg:

This leaves me with Generic, radcliff, and Black Mage to go. I haven't the last two around the thread or online, though.

Yeah, I know. I'll drag out the round robin half for another day. If it'll help.

If they don't show up I can always cancel out any victories/losses gained from fighting them. Which will balance out everything. Problem is, it's not exactly the most fair solution to those that have fought them already. So at the same time anyone here could say in effect, "you snooze, you lose." Again, not exactly fair either given the circumstances.

So, how about a quick vote to those involved? Yes/No?

For the sake of getting results in by Sunday, I'll say yes to dropping some points. If you have a better suggestion I'd definitely like to hear it =).

I wouldn't mind losing two points overall from that decision if it'll yield more precise results. At worst, I get knocked out of a high-ranking spot in a tournament with no monetary gain (oh noes, I face Miles that much sooner). I had fun at this tournament, and that's all that matters to me.

It'd be kind of a shame if Black Mage doesn't come in contact with Crash soon enough. That's probably the only match left I'm eagerly waiting to see the results for (no offense to the rest of the participants who still need to battle).

If I don't get them by the current deadline, I don't mind dropping them. I mean, it'd be a shame to lose two players from the tournament, but if it can't be helped, then I guess it can't be helped.

Josiah vs. Generic Badass
 

You actually would have won if you hadn't switched out at the very end like you did. I'll explain it to you in a PM.

But luck was definitely on your side through most of these. Waking up on the first turn after being put to sleep, two Quick Claw activations in a row, a critical Quick Attack right at the end, and lord knows how many times you were able to hit with Air Slash before it finally missed.

Excellent matches!

I owe the critical Quick Attack to the fact that that pokemon was holding a Scope Lens. A shame it didn't quite do the job.

Well, it sure did a damn fine job of making things interesting! I will admit, I definitely got lucky at a few spots in there.

Sorry for the delay, but the fire team is fully functional!! I am ready for 6v6 matches and I'll be up all night ready for matches.

Alrighty, radcliff. I want a rematch with you possibly later tonight. It seemed a bit unfair sweeping the same team with one Pokemon. :(

i am ready and waiting for anybody to battle me. Just PM me or start the battle up.

About this tournament:

Hey - I just saw this thread and got interested in it. I would be interested in joining the next tournament, but unfortunately I don't have Nintendo DS or Pokemon Pearl yet. :( I'm behind on video games because I decided to spend all my time to actually completing all the video games I had from the last generation of video games. The most technologically advanced piece of hardware I have is a thin PS2. :eagletear:

Since today is the deadline, I made a little chart for everyone to see, to make it easier on everybody to see where people stand.

Defense number means the difficulty of the defending Pokemon from the attacker's ongoing assault. The higher the number, the harder it is. The offense number is how easy it is for the attacking Pokemon to damage the defending Pokemon. The higher the number, the easier it is.

The natural tensity number is the defense number minus the offense number. This shows the average difficulty of winning or losing a fight. If the number is positive, it means the difficulty was harder than normal, while if the number is negative, it means the difficulty was easier than normal.

Then I show the official score based off of the Kairyu's rules, and at the bottom shows who is moving to the final four to compete.

I took the time after that to develop a 'neutralized score' which calculates both the official score and the natural tensity number to project a score based off of fairness to Pokemon with less advantages this time around. Like with the official score, at the bottom I calculated the neutralized top four of this tournament round.

Since I cannot post images (as I do not have enough posts as of yet), I must provide a link to this chart.

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Kairyu - feel free to use this as you wish. If need be, I will update this to suit any official battles that occur today.

About next tournament:

As for the next tournament - while I cannot enter it yet, I do have some suggestions, since I have played and beaten Pokemon Red, Yellow, Gold, Crystal, and Ruby.

I remember as a kid, playing the official Pokemon card game growing up. Most decks had two types of Pokemon, to make things balanced and to add complexity to the game.

So, I'm proposing a new idea - Gym Leaders with two different types of Pokemon. But there is a catch - each of your Pokemon's primary must be one of those types. The primary type, or type one - is more associated with the Pokemon and the Pokemon usually has more moves of that type.

To make things interesting, instead of randomly deciding who is going to be what, allow everybody to choose their two types individually. First come, first serve. Oh, and if someone calls out, say, Dark/Poison, another person cannot call Poison/Dark. But if someone calls out Dark/Poison, another person could call Dark/Steel. If you call Dark/Steel, all your Pokemon's primaries must be either Dark or Steel, and cannot be all Dark or all Steel. As an added rule, if your two types have at least one Pokemon that is both of them, you must use at least use one of those Pokemon.

To make it fair, use my defense/offense numbers and the natural tensity score to calculate in for the final score, and as of before, have wins worth 2 points, ties 1, and loses 0.

Like before, have up to nine playable Pokemon, but no less than six. You may have two legendary Pokemon, but there are rules you must follow in order to actually use them. The only time you will be able to use a legendary Pokemon is during six Pokemon per team matches (more rules apply here) and tie-breakers.

Matches will go as such: in the first match each gym leader will use six Pokemon each. Both gym leaders may not use his or her legendary Pokemon until the five others have been KO'ed. The second Pokemon match will consist of five Pokemon each. The third match four, the fourth match three, the fifth match two, and the final match just one Pokemon may be used on each side. If the match was an even 3-3, then the game goes into tie-breaker mode, where each gym leader uses one out of the two of their legendary Pokemon to determine the final outcome of the match.

After all this is done, the final score will be calculated and each player will be ranked. If, by chance, two players mysteriously got equal scoring, even after the tensity score was calculated into the final score, then they go into a tie-breaker mode with one of their legendary Pokemon.

To expand on this tournament's final round, the next tournament will feature everybody, not just the top four. If there are nine people in the tournament, it will go like such: rank 1 vs rank 2;rank 3 vs rank 4'; rank 5 vs rank 6; rank 7 will then face either rank 5 or rank 6 in the next round.

There would be time limits to this all, so this doesn't run forever - but depending on how large this gets, it will either expand or contract the deadline dates. Kairyu could probably manage that himself.

And another thing: gym leaders next time around will not be referred to, as an example, the fire/ground gym leader. If someone picks fire/ground, they got to make a name that combines both types into a cool sounding gym leader name.

So - like my ideas? Could they be improved? Or are they just stupid altogether? Feedback and suggestions for the next possible tournament would be appreciated (especially from Kairyu).

Wow, that's a lot of brainstorming in one post! I'd really like to continue burning the midnight oil and discuss this but I am dead tired right now. It is 1:45am here after all.
Well let me digest this info and I'll see what I think in the morning =).

Holy... That IS a lot to digest. Sounds a little confusing. To be completely honest, all the 'defense numbers' and 'natural tensity' and all that totally fly right over my head. I have no idea what they mean or how they were determined. :eagletear:

As for finishing this tournament, I STILL have to battle the same three leaders. The issue with today is, that it's not only Father's Day, but also my grandmother's birthday, so I'll be going out to a sort of dinner thing at my aunt's place. I'm not sure when I'll be home, but if I had to guess, I'd say around 8pm EST, at which point I'll be able to do some matches, most likely. Ship me a PM [I missed you yesterday, Rad] and we'll arrange something.

Yeah, that was a lot of brainstorming. I still don't completely understand where the numbers of coming from, but the only thing that I keep thinking looking at that whole thing is:

Did I really do that bad in this tournament?

Anyway, given that I don't have to fight Black Mage, all that's left on my list is to fight Josiah and get a re-match against radcliff.

Additional Spam:
Regarding my schedule, I'll be free after 7 PM EST. Hit me up with a PM anytime.

You haven't fought me yet, but at this point I think it's just fair to say you'd win and forfeit the match to you. My team hasn't won a single round against anybody.

From your chart, Sane Brain, I'm only finding one aspect of it possibly unfair. Granting absolutely no points to someone who supposedly dominates over a certain matchup doesn't seem right. We only have one battle that is affected by this (Kairyu vs. Black Mage), but making a battle completely pointless to play for one side is a bit much. I dunno. I haven't had a match affected by the scoring on that degree, so I'll leave it up to Kairyu's and Black Mage's discretion.

As for the second Gym Leader tournament, I'll need some time to read through all of your rules thoroughly before reserving judgment. There's definitely plenty of thought put into this, and I'd hate to see something possibly awesome go to waste.

I've got some things to take care of and then I should be ready to battle around 8:30 on.

Yo Radcliff, not sure if you go my last massage but if you want faster responses you will have to hunt each individual down through PM and or whichever IM service they might be using. That's how I got my matches done quickly.

A chart like that would be awfully useful once everyone has done their matches. But the way it stands now the results look a bit lopsided. I think for now I'll just stick with the simple yet effective, "add up all the wins/loss points for each player." And make the placing list from there.

As for the next tournament idea. That's not a bad variation (or improvement even) but how will that stop players from all picking combos like Dragon/[insert alternate type here]. Granted there are only so many decent Dual type dragons to choose from but if a person wants a strong sweeper he or she will pick a dragon. So we may get a lack of variation there. Other than that small issue I wouldn't mind participating in a tournament like that.

...

One solution I thought of, but it's a bit far fetched. Is allow people to pick that type combination (ie, dragon/water pokemon) but also impose certain move limits. Something like you can only learn moves that are of that type. So if you pick Normal/Rock you can use moves like Stone Edge and Body Slam. But not Ice Beam :3. Same goes for non-damage moves.

But like I said, it's a little out there and might require a bit of time to prepare for.

Perhaps a limit on how many times a type could be chosen by any participant would work?

Also, a lottery might help determine who gets to choose first? Naturally, the first person might choose Dragon, because it's a potent type. But if each player has no guarantee of making first pick, then he/she will have to come up with an alternate plan. This might prevent a "OMG DRAGON/GROUND!!" blitz right off the bat.

This tourney had a lot of constrictions, mostly because adhering to one type is in itself restrictive. I'd not like to mire the next one down with a bunch of hard-to-remember rules for the sake of superimposing someone's concept of balance onto the whole thing. If there's going to be imbalances (and it's Pokemon, so that's somewhat inevitable), all players should have access to them, or at least an equal initial opportunity to be the one who benefits most (i.e. how I.C. lucked out with Dragons) from the imbalance.

Excessive rulesmongering takes the fun out of competition.

It suddenly makes it seem like a normal 6v6 tournament seem peachy.

Actually, and even easier idea for the next tournament.

Normal 6v6 Doubles tournament. I don't ever recall doing a doubles tournament here. Or maybe we have, but my memory fails me horribly.

I'm sorry, I should have been more clear to what I was actually talking about with defense/offensive numbers, and natural tensity.

Bellow results there is a \ division line between actual and projected. This means actual results are shown horizontally by going up and down through the names. The projected results are shown vertically by going left and right through the names. Another reason there is that division line is to show the difference between the actual results, which are shown with a color, and the projected results (what the odds of winning are, due to weaknesses and strengths of each type of Pokemon), shown with a number.

Take, for example, Crash Landon. He's the psychic gym leader. His Pokemon is good against some types, and bad against others. An example in which his Pokemon are naturally good against would be Sousuke's fighting type Pokemon. If you look at the projected results row and go to Crash Landon, going down from that column you will see Crash Landon's projected results number against Sousuke; a 2. A 2 means he has a good chance of winning, because his Pokemon, psychic type, will be much more likely use psychic attacks that will cause double the damage that it would usually do in a normal situation. Because of this, Crash receives a 2 in that column - and his cumulative offense score increases by 2 as well. In the same instance, Sousuke, being the defendant against those crushing psychic blows to his Pokemon, now has increased his defense score by 2.

Now look at Sousuke's projected results against Crash. His number is only a .5 because his moves only do half the damage they normally do. This correlates to Crash's defense number battling Sousuke being .5, because the difficulty in which defending against Sousuke's attacks has been naturally reduced in half, due to their two types of Pokemon in play.

Look at Crash's row. The defense number on Crash, an 8.5, is the added numbers of all the defending numbers that Crash battled with. Sousuke gave him .5 + DarkMage gave him 1 + Kairyu gave him 1 ... and so on. The higher the defense number, the more naturally difficult the matches are, as you are on the defense on more effective types against your Pokemon.

Now look at Crash's column. The offense number of Crash, an 8, is the added numbers of all the offensive numbers that Crash battled with. Sousuke gave him a 2 + DarkMage gave him a 2 ... and so on. The higher the offense number, the more naturally easier the matches are, as you are on the offense on more effective types fighting against their Pokemon.

Since Crash's defense number is slightly higher than his offense number, his difficulty in matches was slightly above average. Natural tensity number is calculated by simple taking the defense number and subtracting that with the offense number.

Look at this link for more information:

Serebii.net Games - Type MatchUp

I expanded the original chart into this:

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The win ratio is calculating wins divided by total amount of games.

The neutralize win ratio is calculating points total by the neutralize score divided by the total amount of points possible (such as 10 for battling in 5 games).

And finally, the total rank score takes the four previous ranks, official score, neutralize score, win ratio, and neutralize win ratio, and adds up all the ranking numbers from that and produces a new, fair-minded ranking system.

Actually, there is another battle like this - Crash Landon vs. Chaotic, which is even more dramatic because not only are psychic attacks useless against dark types, but dark type moves are double-effective when attacking a psychic Pokemon.

But actually, the example that you provide is wrong. Since the baseline for all attacks is 1, and every game is worth two points, if Black Mage wins, and he did, he would still gain 1 point for beating Kairyu.

The only two types of Pokemon battles that you could apply your example for would be dark vs. psychic and electric vs. ground. But since there is a near-impossibility for an electric Pokemon to win against ground, or a psychic Pokemon to win against dark (I would really like to know how Crash won against Chaotic), it is only fair that these battles do not count for ground or dark type gym leaders. The odds are so overwhelming against psychic and electric that I would find it hard not to give them extra points for winning against these two types.

I created the idea of modifying the official point system out of the difficulty of Pokemon types winning based off of my guess that the reason why you didn't allow people to choose their own types was because of too many advantages or disadvantages against certain types of Pokemon.

Results look lopsided? How is that? I attended to make the neutralized score to prevent this thing from happening - since it is more lopsided without the system. The neutralized score system prevents a group of people to be listed as the same against each other. In the official scoring system, four people are tied for forth place, among a tie with two people in third. In the neutralized system, there is only two tied at two different places on the bottom.

Coming from an unbiased source (since I am not an active participant of this tournament), I agree much more with the neutralized scores than the official ones. Most of them aren't even that much different from the original - they just show the advantages and disadvantages that certain Pokemon play in battle. I believe someone is much more skillful if he or she can defeat five out of nine enemies all whose type is strong against his or her type, rather than someone with the same record and defeats Pokemon only average against his or her type. It's a much harder battle with a type disadvantage!

But the neutralized system was pretty easy to do this time around. If the next tournament uses two types of Pokemon, the equations will be much more complex. That's where I come in. I'm simply addicted to math, and doing these kinds of problems. If you accept the neutralized system, Kairyu, I promise I will give you more accurate results regarding the actual skill level of every gym leader that plays in this tournament. In essence, Kairyu, I want you to make me an official unbiased 'referee' of the next tournament.

The actual number of dragon Pokemon is quite small. Many of them are legendary Pokemon, and both you and I agree on either not allowing them or restricting them so they may only be used to balance things out. There are four fully evolved dragon type 1 Pokemon to choose from that are not legendary.

If this hasn't been made a rule already, it should be. Allow only one Pokemon of a particular species to be put on a roster. In essence, you couldn't have six Dragonites defeat everybody but the ice trainer. (Also - I simply think that dragons are overrated, I personally would not pick them myself if I could participate in this event myself.)

While I do not particularly disagree with the idea of the rule you stated later in the second paragraph, I think these tournaments are becoming excessively ruled by their rules themselves. I think a major skill in Pokemon is the ability to choose Pokemon that can have variation in their attacks - and removing or limiting this would be destroying a core foundation of this skill.

I don't particularly like the idea of limiting a type that could be chosen, simply because if someone is facing another whose one type is weak against and other type is strong - by limiting the types that could be chosen it would greatly reduce the amount of strategy that both players could use.

I wouldn't mind a lottery to decide who chooses first. I mean, I guess that would make it fair. I'm in agreement with this one. However, I doubt this will make any great impact if there is indeed a choice of two different primary types - as there are over a hundred choices to choose from.

I whole-heartly agree that rules bring fun down, especially if there are a lot of them.

I believe that the sleep-clause this tournament had should be removed for the next tournament. I think this is a major reason why DarkMage lost all five of his battles, because one of the major abilities of bug Pokemon is the ability to sleep other Pokemon. Without this ability, bug Pokemon are bound to get squashed.

Not only are dragon types more restricted to legendary Pokemon, as I stated earlier, but if my system of an official final neutralized score came into effect, it would greatly reduce the advantage that dragon Pokemon have against other types of Pokemon. It would put the calculated effect of dragon's resistance to fire/water/electric/grass attacks into the formula.

This could be a really neat idea combined with the idea of gym leaders having two primary types of Pokemon. A rule could be in place that states that you must have one of each type of Pokemon in play until you are down to one Pokemon left. Might be a little excessive on the rules side - but it would definitely make things interesting...

Hmm... This one was an interesting battle.



Well that was unexpected.

Crash vs. radcliffe13!!



Radcliff put up a good fight. This was not the easiest match I had, as he made sure to bring one specific Pokemon that was both fast and very resistant to my Psychic attacks. I had to work to remove that thing.

Josiah vs. radcliff13
 

:mad:



So I win against him once, and lose against him one. What does that equal out to? <_<

And I totally forgot that I never faced Ozzie yet. Oh well. If you can face me within the next five hours, that'd be great.

I was Poison not bug. The only one of my Pokemon that had sleep was Vileplume. I lost cause I overestimated the value of some of my Pokemon and didn't take the time to get any Nidos raised for the tournament.

I was at work when you posted. I work night crew 9:30pm-6am EST. That's why I was trying to get my matches done on my days off. You and Radcliff are the only guys I haven't played but I think it's safe to say you guys would probably have beat me.

Okay, well, I got home late last night, and went straight to bed. :eagletear:

Today's Monday, and I've vowed that I'm not going to do ANYTHING. Maybe I'll go to the store for something cool to drink. Other than that, I'll be home all day, in hopes that I can finish my battles.

I'm guessing that's a ... tie? 1-1, I mean, is technically a tie. So I changed the chart to represent this.

Ah, okay. Still, I think if you are able to use all the other moves that prevent someone from attacking (paralyze, frozen, etc.) then one should be able to use sleep as well. If you can use items, shouldn't you just be able to use an item to cure it, anyways?

Anyways, here is the update from last night's battles.

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if i can still battle sousuke, i'll be around at 9 PM tonight.

You can't use items; you can only give pokemon hold items before the battle. In this regard though, yes, you can have a pokemon cure itself of status effects by giving it a Lum Berry (a few competitors here have utilized at least one, including myself).

And as the Bug representative of this tournament, I can assure you that sleep has not been as useful as it should be. This can be attributed to my bad luck, the surprisingly small amount of viable Bug pokemon that can use support strategies well, and the extremely unorthodox setup of the competition.

Sorry about my sudden disappearance, guys. I've been on the road these past six days relocating to Washington from New York for the summer. I can see that today is the last day for matches, so I'd be more than happy to entertain what battles I can. And sorry to those of you who had PM'd me, I wasn't ignoring you!

I'm now in Pacific Time, it being 5:30pm right now. I'll try to be available from now to the end of the night, but there may be some periods where I have to take off to get some supplies. We're still in the process of moving in after all!

Sorry again for any troubles, and be sure to let me know if and when you guys are free today.

Bleh, lopsided was the wrong word. And I don't think I fully understood the layout. But your last post made much more sense =p

Oh, of course. No arguing that! The reason I even made the tournament the way it is is because I wanted to do something other than a normal tournament. It kept things interesting and, I think, caused more people to become interested in future tournaments I will eventually setup.

I might adopt your score keeping system under the condition you stay active often enough to do so =o. Or at the very least swap IM contact info so we can talk more about this in detail.

Indeed, it is a very clean and fair system. Yet the downside is the huge amount of work one would have to do to keep it updated. Not something I myself want to play with. But if you want to do it for the next tournament then I say go for it!

Hm, just Altaria, Dragonite, Flygon, Garchomp, Kingdra and Salamence if I'm not mistaken. The rest are either legendaries or lower evolution versions of the mentioned Pokemon. Not sure what kind of limits I could impose on players for using the BL variations though. Like what you and Crash already said, too many rules does kill the fun in the game.

Well it was a rule for other tournaments actually. But I decided not to include it this time since some of us were extremely limited on choices. Doesn't look like any of us actually broke the rule anyway. So I'm not too worried about players goofing around by making a team of only Blisseys and Bronzongs =D

Yeah, I know, just brainstorming. I wasn't exactly too keen on the idea either but I want to at least voice it out for everyone to see. But yeah, we could be thinking too hard about this. I wouldn't mind try a "normal" doubles tournament for once. I don't think I've ever been in such a tournament either (not counting the failed Gamestop doubles tournament =/.)

Additional Spam:
Dammit BlackMage, I was about to cross your name off the list xD.

You have until midnight to get as many matches out of the way as possible! According to my timezone you have 9 hours, starting now :gonk:.

I'm available all night, until Midnight, Hawaii time. I've got tomorrow off from work, so I can stay up to have a battle. I definitely wanna fight you, Black Mage.

We still need to finish ours, BM. I honestly don't remember what the hell happened when we first fought, so are you alright with just starting over again?

But anyway, finish fighting with Crash first. I'll follow up after you fight him. And if we're going by Hawaii time, I'll be available until 9 PM (3 AM EST).

Epic match! Probably the toughest I've had so far. Incredibly close one, too.


Now, I'm just gonna grab something quick to eat, and hopefully radcliff is still around to battle. If you are, I'll be online in a few minutes.

[edit] Epic fail on my part. ;_;


Sorry about the last report, I'm getting really tired. All I have left to battle is Generic, and I have a feeling that won't be happening tonight. ;_;

Crash vs. Black Mage



I feel somewhat poorly about how this match turned out. Of course I should play to win, and I did, but I don't imagine it was all that exciting for Black Mage. There wasn't much he could do about Procyon, and that defined the entire battle.

So that's it. I've played everyone, and went 8-1. My only loss came to Icy, who beat me by a whopping 1 HP. Not bad at all.

Damn you and your record, Crash. :mad:

Anyway, had my battle with Black Mage as well.


I had a lot of fun with this match, dude. Hopefully you'll be around for the next tournament as well. :3:

Sorry I wasn't available for matches... again. But as I explained. I work on the nightcrew. I'm only available during the day or on my days off. You can drop me from the tournament if you need to. Even if you extended the deadline, I'm going to a Dethklok concert today.

round robin is fin.
 

No problem man. I'll just accumulate the totals anyway and see how everyone placed. Sane Brain missed a few reports so I had to double check! I'll post the results later~ today =D

I know it's over and all, but some people [ie: me vs Generic] just didn't get to battle. What are you going to do for the scoring there? Just give both parties a 0? I'd suggest 'awarding' a draw, but I don't know. It's up to you; I'm just curious~

But, if I'm not mistaken, if you give a Pokemon a berry to hold, once that Pokemon uses it, that Pokemon cannot use it again (as it is eaten). So status effects would still be mostly effective, I would think...

Another reason not to limit the effectiveness of sleep for the next tournament.

If you have any specific questions at all about the layout of my chart, just ask me.

Hopefully it has done just that. Only time will tell...

After I post this, I'll give you my AIM screen name viva PM. If your's isn't kairyugff then give me your's viva PM too so we can communicate about this more effectively.

You can count on me, sir! Well, at least until the end of summer. After that college begins and I nearly won't have as much time... But I'll definitely try my best.

Actually I said dragon type 1 Pokemon.

Below is the list of fully evolved dragon Pokemon:

#149 Dragonite (Type 1 Dragon, Type 2 Flying)
#230 Kingdra (Type 1 Water, Type 2 Dragon) - Type 2
#330 Flygon (Type 1 Ground, Type 2 Dragon) - Type 2
#334 Altaria (Type 1 Dragon, Type 2 Flying)
#373 Salamence (Type 1 Dragon, Type 2 Flying)
#380 Latias (Type 1 Dragon, Type 2 Psychic) - Legendary
#381 Latios (Type 1 Dragon, Type 2 Psychic) - Legendary
#384 Rayquaza (Type 1 Dragon, Type 2 Flying) - Legendary
#445 Garchomp (Type 1 Dragon, Type 2 Ground)
#483 Dialga (Type 1 Steel, Type 2 Dragon) - Type 2/Legendary
#484 Palkia (Type 1 Water, Type 2 Dragon) - Type 2/Legendary
#487 Giratina (Type 1 Ghost, Type 2 Dragon) - Type 2/Legendary

That's good, but if you decide next tournament that people can use more than one type of Pokemon, I suggest you do impose the limit, so we don't have people going for the same six Pokemon. Pokemon is about variation and catching six of the same Pokemon defeats the purpose of, 'catching them all', doesn't it? ;)

Maybe we are thinking too hard about this ... but in all fairness, all we're trying to do is brainstorm the most creative ideas to have as much fun as possible during these tournament events.

Wow, a lot of matches occurred in one night!

I got all of 'em now.

To calculate all of this and put it into the system takes some time. When I first plugged in last nights scores, this post you had above wasn't even there. But finally now I'm finished.

Ah - look at my chart then. The first two calculates the disadvantage of not playing all of your potential battles while the second two doesn't. The fifth calculated number is the added rank number of all four - so for example, since Crash Landon got #1 on all four previous ranks, he would get a score of 4 - the lower the score the better - and in all fairness, this balances everything out. Let me give you an example.

Black Mage for the longest time had two wins. Under the system Kairyu made, he would be around last place, but he never lost! So I calculated win ratios as well to balance it out. However, winning two matches is not as great as winning eight, as well, so it wouldn't be fair to calculate him in first place just because he won two battles. This takes in both sides of the argument and gives a fair prediction on both sides as to whom the real four best trainers are.

Here are the results! (If I'm missing something please tell me now so I can fix it)



*I'm also requesting these results to be edited on the first post of this thread.*

Total amount of battles actual: 38
merging the two between dark and fire type gym leaders
Total amount of battles potential: 45
In total, there was only 7 battles missed. Oh well.
It only looks like more in the chart because in the chart every battle is two squares

Soon I will have the chart for the final four up, once Kairyu makes up a decision on who is going to be the top four.

Three are set in stone:
1) Crash Landon - the Psychic Pokemon Gym Leader
2) Identity Crisis - the Dragon Pokemon Gym Leader
3) Josiah - the Normal Pokemon Gym Leader

And the potential candidates for the forth are:
1) Black Mage - the Flying Pokemon Gym Leader
2) Kairyu - the Ground Pokemon Gym Leader
3) radcliff13 - the Fire Pokemon Gym Leader

....Gah, just when I figured I was done, BM reappears at the last minute when I decided to more or less stop paying attention. I have to be elsewhere tonight even if we could still battle. I guess it's too late for anything now...?

The only gripe I have for this post is that you want to omit the rule about sleep clause.

The problem is, I don't know how I'm going to address your statement, because there are two sides to this coin, and both are fairly even in the fact that the idea to ban/unban sleep clause is a stalemate, to use the term.

The ban on sleep clause is mainly judged by skill. if it isn't place, then someone could sweep with hypnosis/sleep powder, and battles would be long, and drawn out/boring (because heh, rest on a milotic is pure awesome).

If it is in place, you actually have to try to beat your opponent.

But again, it's all even sided, somewhat.

Okay, both Kairyu and I have drawn out a plan to deal with the tie for forth place.

Kairyu, the Ground Pokemon Gym Leader will face off against Black Mage, the Flying Pokemon Gym Leader, in a one 6 vs 6 Pokemon battle. Either Kairyu or Black Mage will post the results and from there I will calculate who will go on to face radcliff13 in the same style to earn that forth place title.

Alright, I'm back and ready to battle for 4th place =p.

The odds are stacked against me but with any luck I might be able to pull out a miracle or two :tpg:.
Expect a PM from me soon, Black Mage.

edit:
Ok, Black Mage conceded his match with me since his internet is kind of not there at the moment. So that leaves me with radcliff13 to fight.
I'll PM you in a bit for one 6v6 battle.

Kairyu vs Radcliff13 - tiebreaker match

Oh, no.

This is what I feared.

The secret rules that I did not tell you two implied the number of KO's with type advantage.

See, ground attacks does twice the amount of damage they would normally do on fire Pokemon. Since Kairyu is the ground Pokemon gym leader, he has the most amount of ground attacks. Fire attacks do not have this advantage; they only do what is normal for their attacks to do, on ground Pokemon. And since radcliff13 is the fire gym leader, he has the most amount of fire attacks.

My system was set-up so every KO was worth 1 point. Since Kairyu had the advantage of his Pokemon doing double the damage they would normally do, I had to take that into account into the scoring; I did this by reducing the amount of points he gets per KO in half. Therefore, Kairyu would receive only a half of a point for every KO, while radcliff13 would still retain a point per KO.

Since Kairyu KO'ed all six of radcliff13 Pokemon, he earns three points, but since radcliff13 KO'ed three of the six Kairyu had, he earns three points as well.

In other words - it's a stalemate.

Therefore, there must be an ultimate tie-breaker. Sudden KO showdown.

Kairyu will select one of his Pokemon to face against radcliff13, but radcliff13 will select two of his Pokemon to face against Kairyu. (Assuming that this is possible) And the rules are clear this time: whoever wins this match goes on to the next round.

Good luck to both of you!

Frankly, I think your system is unnecessarily complex and moronically pedantic. "Secret rules" my ass. You've managed to convert something fun into a cesspool of by-laws and bureaucracy.

Kairyu won. radcliff knew he had the type disadvantage going in. Luck of the draw. Let's not bog things down with half-points and similar garbage.

If I had known this would have been a tie, I would suggested a two on one match to Kairyu and discarded the secret rules to begin with.

I was just trying to keep things fair. If you think that goal is unnecessary - or garbage, and proceed this tournament on without a fair fight, then we are not representing a tournament that is deciding who is truly the best Pokemon gym leader.

This is especially so with radcliff13. Many of his loses came before he even had his full team ready to battle. And after that, he started winning.

Crash, you faced against Chaotic and Sousuke, and won both. Tell me, did it take more skill and planning to defeat Chaotic than it did to defeat Sousuke? Was Chaotic harder to beat because of his type rather than his skill? If you can honestly say no to both of these questions, I will concede to your point.

However, neither you or I is the creator of this tournament. Ultimately the decision goes to Kairyu.

I'm probably splitting hairs, but next round? Wasn't the top three already established? Even if we do settle on letting Kairyu and radcliff13 play their sudden death match, why do we need drag on Kairyu's and radcliff's placement further?

EDIT: Bah, nevermind. The first post answered my previous questions. Disregard them.

So... why did the rules need to be a secret to begin with? If you planned on giving radcliff13 a handicap, what exactly was preventing you from telling Kairyu and radcliff13 about it up front?

Secret Rules? Bah. I totally agree with Crash here--even though I wasn't part of this round in the tournament, I think that having this 'half-point' idea is totally unfair. Just because Kairyu had the type advantage doesn't mean he should have a handicap--he was assigned that type by luck of the draw.

You know, in theory it could be argued that Crash or Icy have the same advantage because their respective types have their fair share of really heavy hitters without necessarily having to be "super effective" against whoever they battle. Not that I want to lower their scores; I'm happy where I am, I'm just saying.

And radcliff did have one way of getting around that ground weakness: his Charizard. I learned the hard way trying to EQ him when he switched out to that one. Wouldn't Kairyu technically get a full point for KOing a Charizard since, unless he had Gravity somewhere ( :tpg: ), radcliff's Charizard would be completely immune to ground attacks?

Anywho, since this is all more or less overwith, I figure I could post up my team if people were curious.

Josiah's Normal Gym Team:

Wait, that was your secret rule? And now you want me to go 2 against 1 against radcliff's pokemon? Going by a score set based on "projected" type advantages and disadvantages is one thing. Basing it on the number of pokemon you can use is another. It's not always correct to assume that. Think about it, would it not be unfair if me and Rad agreed to battle under those conditions? I may have the attack advantage with ground attacks but it's not impossible for Rad to avoid ._.
Coupled with his speed advantage and a flying type, I can see myself already taking a loss that way.

Sigh, it's kind of odd that I'm both a player and coordinator of this tournament. I really wish it wouldn't have to come to this.

Personally, and I think I speak for most of the players involved in this thread. We need to end it already. We have our data, the top 4 placing and I did win the tiebreaker decision despite me having an attack advantage against fire. Besides, shouldn't the victory itself count for more rather than the amount of pokemon KO'd?

For a non-official tournament it is a bit complex. Remember we're just doing this for fun.
Honestly, we're pretending to fight gym leader style. This puts us at huge disadvantages at times (look at DarkMageOzzie's predicament.) And in other times it gives certain players an edge over someone else. None of it was done on purpose since the selection process was random. And in my opinion that was the fun of it. Everyone should have known beforehand that you may not get the most useful type. It's really a test of how resourceful you are with pokemon.

Anyway, I'll stand by my decision and agree that the top four place is:
Crash
Icy
Josiah
me

edit:
lawl, Josiah has a point with that idea.

I'll follow Josiah's page, since this is over for me. :eagletear: It'll be just a little different from his post, however.


And that's all. I think.

I don't know ... I just thought that telling them the rules would have prevented a 'normal' battle between the two.

I hope you're prepared for the average imbalance of the game mechanics the next go-around (if you decide to enter).

Yeah, Kairyu suggested something to me about base stats. While dragon has some heavy hitters, other types have more variety of Pokemon. The more variety, the more TMs can be used, among other things. Would have someone else been so successful with dragon/psychic types as Crash and Identity were? I honestly cannot say.

An idea had occurred to me that Kairyu and radcliff13 would tell me their Pokemon viva PM before battle so I could evaluate it further - but that would have really complicated things.

Nice Pokemon, Josiah. Don't think I could pick better ones myself. :)

*sigh* I guess you're right.

I'll talk to you more about this in private, either through AIM or PMing here.

I guess you're right. It's been over a month. But there have been reasons to why this tournament took so long. People didn't know how to prepare until they knew what their type was. If you could have used any type I have no doubt in my mind this tournament would have ended already.

Okay. Check this post later for a new chart.

Oh, I totally understand the game's mechanics, but what you've tried to imply for tournament rules is a little unsettling. Like Kairyu mentioned at some point, we KNEW that with our types, we'd be entering some battles at an advantage or disadvantage, depending on our opponents. That's why it was a 'Gym Battlers' tourny.

I don't know if I should be doing this, mainly because I'm more of a spectator for this than a participant this time...

C'mon, this isn't how you run a tournament. Hiding rules from an entrant? How is that fair for any of the opponents? In a Gym battle setting, you are going to have to put up with knowing if you have an advantage or disadvantage. The point in this scenario is that you have to put up with one specific type, meaning that you have to work WITH your type (not around it) to beat all of the other types, even if it is a weakness.

From what I'm reading, I'm kinda glad I couldn't enter this..

Sorry Kairyu.

To be honest, these 'rules' weren't implemented until Sand Brain showed up a couple of days ago. I thought everything was running smoothly until then.

Nothing against him, [her?] though.

[edit] Ahaha, Sand Brain. That was totally unintentional.

No offense taken, mini-face.

I blame myself for letting the rule mongering get too out of hand. One thing's for sure, I need to discuss ideas with Sane Brain more if I intend let him/her be a neutral referee for future tournaments. I got a lot of bright ideas from him (or her) though. But it's best not to retrofit everything onto this tournament. Again, no offense to you, Sane Brain.
I hope this doesn't deter you from participating future tournaments!

Anyway, as for the top 4 that are here. What do you guys want to do? I only suggested that the top 4 battle each other only to determine a clear winner. Seeing that Crash and Icy won most of their matches I see little reason to continue the battles.
Unless, of course, one of you feel that you can take the gold *looks at Icy's team*

I personally feel kinda "battled" out, so to speak, so I'm content with just saying I got third and that's that. Nothing against Crash, but battling him again sounds like masochism. :smack:

Since people are listing off what their team was now.

Ozzie's Poison Gym Team

I'll be fine with second place. The tournament has gone on long enough, and Crash probably already figured out how to answer my Focus Sash shenanigans. Besides, Josiah listed his team off already, and I don't want to start of with an advantage of knowing what his team consists of (although I already faced off against most of them anyway).

Identity Crisis' Dragon Gym Team


All in all, this tournament was pretty fun. I look forward to the next one that's in store!

Yeah, me too. I need a break from battling really. In the mean time I can continue thinking about what the next tournament should be.

And because everyone else is doing it. I'll post my team too, most you know my strategy anyway :3

Kai's Gym Team:

I'm in support of calling this finished. Icy beat me. I beat Josiah and Black Mage. Black Mage and Josiah beat Icy. We all had strengths and weaknesses. It's kind of academic at this point and I'd rather not invoke a ton of mathematics just to wear down a point.

So like the others, here's my team. I didn't really have a "main" force, as I adopted different strategies with each opponent and made good use of my entire bench.

So ... the top four ISN'T going to battle to see who's the best? Okay .... then what was the point of determining forth place in that case, anyways? >_> I REALLY disagree with you ending the tournament like this, but if that's what you want, then so be it.

Expect a PM soon, Kairyu.

(BTW, I'm a guy)

I got an interesting idea for the top four last night, if you guys are interested. An 'Elite Four' challenge, if you will. Simple rules would apply, just like the tournament, but with a couple small modifications:


However, I'd imply the following as well:

• Elite Four: Make a team of SIX, from your Gym Leader team. Choose your 'best' six.
• Challengers: Make a team of SIX, out of your absolute best Pokemon. Keep in mind that there's no Legendaries or Wobuffet.
• Once the battles are started, rosters and move pools may not be edited. You can, however, change the order of your roster, allowing you to open with a different Pokemon if you wish.

From there, the challengers would battle the Elite Four, in order, just as they would in-game. This is just a suggestion to 'challenge' the winners in a different fashion. I think it could be fun, just to see if the winners teams can stand up against a broader team. That, and because we sort of cut the tourny short.

Thoughts?