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guyinrubbersuit May 8, 2008 08:57 AM

Mirror's Edge or How I Play As An Asian Chick
 
Gametrailers.com - Mirror's Edge - SCEE PlayStation Day Trailer HD


Anyone interested in this game? Basically it's a first person game taking the Parkour and chase elements of Assassin's Creed and making it the full focus. The plot is a police state city has taken over and monitors all online and phone activities. So the only way to communicate with each other are to use runners. You play as a sexy, eye tattooed Asian chick and you run across the roofs of buildings. There also appears to be a bit of a Matrix influence, but who isn't influenced by that piece of cinema nowadays, as well as some melee combat. I read that the combat is not really the focus and rather it's more about disarming the enemy and getting to point A safely.

I really dig the artstyle and it doesn't look like the first person view will be too disorienting. Here's hoping the gameplay will be entertaining throughout and that the controls won't suck. I'm definitely keeping an eye on this game.

Kagosin May 8, 2008 09:17 AM

Yea I saw that a little while ago, and I like the idea of doing many things in first person (to an extent).

I guess also watching it has that same FOV feel as of like Dark Messiah of Might and Magic for example.

It's going to be interesting though, because people will have to change their thoughts on perspective and thinking, as in many cases people have the 3rd person perspective feel from platform-type games.

Say if you were running away from an enemy and decided to hang off from the edge, you'll put more thought into wondering when the guard is going to leave the area completely, turn around in a different direction etc.

Firefly May 8, 2008 11:10 AM

I agree that it does look interesting. One thing that's probably just a peculiarity of the concept art: if you're running around like that, that yellow/black bag seen in character art is far better off as a backpack than slung off of one shoulder...

Dark Nation May 8, 2008 11:22 AM

This really captured my attention, and not because of the Asian girl totally. Its looking like a, dare I say, innovative platformer from EA. With a game like this, seeing how its going to handle is the most important factor, so I really can't wait to see more footage of gameplay. Especially that f its close to what I saw in that trailer (Most games get revamps between the teaser and the final product for better or for worse), then I'd definitely be interested in picking it up.

NinjaguyDan May 8, 2008 11:53 AM

Yea I think I'd definately buy this for PC. It looks pretty awesome and I'm a huge parkour fan, maybe a bit odd to get used to initially, but totally cool.

Kagosin May 8, 2008 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Nation (Post 603148)
This really captured my attention, and not because of the Asian girl totally. Its looking like a, dare I say, innovative platformer from EA. With a game like this, seeing how its going to handle is the most important factor, so I really can't wait to see more footage of gameplay. Especially that f its close to what I saw in that trailer (Most games get revamps between the teaser and the final product for better or for worse), then I'd definitely be interested in picking it up.

I consider their studio (EA Digital Illusions Creative Entertainment i.e. DICE) on a different level than the company as a whole. :p Granted I liked some of the Battlefields, Midtown Madness 3, and Rallysport Challenge games.

OmagnusPrime May 11, 2008 05:49 PM

The idea of a first-person actioner taking more than a little inspiration from platformers, well that's intriguing. The trailer they released is pretty impressive and certainly raises my level of interest. It remains to be seen if it'll turn out as something worthwhile, but I'm willing to give it a look and will keep an eye out for news as it nears a release.

Kilroy May 12, 2008 03:19 AM

I've read a couple of articles in EDGE, and the idea that you should feel like you are a running person instead of a floating camera sound interesting. The trailer was really cool. Hopefully it'll be more entertaining than Assassins Creed...

map car man words telling me to do things May 12, 2008 04:15 AM

It really comes down to how they do the controls.
If it'll just be regular FPS controls on a pad, that could eat away at the experience. People don't move like tanks on treads, so that could hamper the sense of movement and momentum.

I'm really most worried about how they'll handle aiming. Thankfully they said you should be able to play the game without firing too many times, but I'd imagine it's required at times. The diving, turning around and firing at the guy looks and sounds awesome, but not if you spend most of the dive trying to move the crosshair back and forth over the target in an attempt to aim (like one usually does with console FPS). If the aim kinda "snaps" at a target, this should be ok, but it's quite possible they won't do it.

For those of you who wonder why I'm worried about FPS controls, it's that since you spend a lot of the game running away, looking around for exits and dangers is necessary on the move. This of course will be very difficult if the right stick controls your direction because you'll be forced to run forward without looking around you, or then snake around amusingly. It would be interesting if they somehow mapped a kind of third person platformer controls to the left stick, with the right stick used to quickly glance around without changing your movement direction.

Either way I've been really looking forward to this game ever since reading the old Edge article on it. What they're attempting sounds just the kind of stuff I want to see more in next-gen games. A lot will hinge on just how linear the level design will be. I imagine most doors will be props only, etc. Runner vision should avoid confusion and snags with those, luckily.

Infernal Monkey May 12, 2008 04:29 AM

Reminds me a bit of Breakdown, but with a manlier main character. I approve of the nice clean city! Such an unknown, mystery thing for video games these days.

BLUE, BLUE SKIES. :sega:

map car man words telling me to do things May 15, 2008 05:03 AM

Trailer analysis.

Apart from a few groan inducing already obvious details (omg teh logo is the same as faith's tattoo!!!), there was a number of little things I hadn't noticed and really appreciate now.

Still no clues on how it controls, but some of the movement sure points towards a traditional console FPS scheme. My biggest worry now (apart from how aiming works) is how consistent the environment and movement will be, whether you can parkour and pull fancy moves outside the obvious context sensitive action spots, and just how linear the paths will be, as in, will there be room for improvisation.

If anything, you get some nice music and a few sweet freezeframes.

cloud baka May 20, 2008 03:36 PM

This game seems pretty interesting, i'll have to keep an eye on it. The gameplay looks unique and amazing graphics, one thing though is i didn't see her reflection in the mirrored window? I'm not THAT picky but i like small details, then again it's not even final but the trailer looked great. As for it being fully first person, think it'd be nice to fully rely on something instead of going into third person to sort of "cheat" looking ahead, but i'd agree if they were to use third person just use it in certain elements.
http://image.com.com/gamespot/images..._screen004.jpg
Looks great, escaping a helicopter that's firing at you, can't wait. Wish the game had a clearer release date.

Shenlon Oct 30, 2008 06:59 PM

well thought this thread deserved a revival since the demo is out.
Overall it looks incredibly clean and sharp, I don't have an hdtv so I can only imagine how vibrant it might look there.
The whole demo is from the level they kept showing in their trailers so it already felt quite familiar. The controls are a different though, once you get your hand on controlling the girl it feels really sloppy at first. gets a lot of getting used to, especially for me since the only fps I own is cod4.

EDIT: btw, i got the demo from the UK store. For some reason the US store hasn't been updated with anything

Taco Oct 30, 2008 11:29 PM

The demo really impressed me. I love the whole First Person Platformer feel of the game, and the controls didn't feel very awkward at all (since it's been forever since I played a console FPS). Went into the demo not really knowing much about the game, but with such a solid piece of product it's going to be really tempting to get it in a couple of weeks.

SouthJag Oct 31, 2008 12:06 AM

The control scheme is difficult, at first, because it's so simple. If nothing else, everything can be done with some combination of (on the PS3) L1, L2 and R2.

Since it boils down to timing and situation, it can be a little unnerving to slip up, but it's otherwise a lot of fun to play. Looking forward to the release more than ever.

No. Hard Pass. Oct 31, 2008 12:08 AM

I am not even remotely excited for this, but I'll check what I've said after playing the demo.

Judge Ito Oct 31, 2008 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SouthJag (Post 655908)
The control scheme is difficult, at first, because it's so simple.

Simple in a "run, jump, punch" kind of way or "move forward and let the AI try to read my mind" kind of way?

Hantei Oct 31, 2008 01:10 AM

I'm not into FPS' as I almost always get motion sickness from playing them, but surprisingly playing this didn't really make me all that nautious. Or rather not as nautious as I thought I was gonna get from watching the trailers. Especially apparent when I get a good rhythm in my movement, eg. not having to stop and look around for options. I'm definitely gonna consider purchasing this one, though not sure if for the PS3 or 360 but guess I'll find out once I try the 360 version's demo.

SouthJag Oct 31, 2008 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Judge Ito (Post 655915)
Simple in a "run, jump, punch" kind of way or "move forward and let the AI try to read my mind" kind of way?

I felt like I wanted to hit more buttons than necessary, instead of the same button in a different situation. I dunno, but then I'm pretty much a noob at FPS gameplay anyway.

No. Hard Pass. Oct 31, 2008 06:04 AM

Well, I've played the demo. It's a neat idea, and I appreciate what they were going for, but man, the camera system is just weak. Would have been SO MUCH BETTER in 3rd person.

Rotorblade Oct 31, 2008 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by SCHWARZE-3 (Post 655941)
Well, I've played the demo. It's a neat idea, and I appreciate what they were going for, but man, the camera system is just weak. Would have been SO MUCH BETTER in 3rd person.

The purpose would have been defeated like you after the last woman you hit on!

Grail Oct 31, 2008 10:53 AM

I like how this game is pretty much looking like a blatant rip off of Namco's Breakdown. Which, till this day, is still one of my favorite first person shooters. I would say Half-Life 2 like every other buckethead in the world, but I prefer to actually see my character's feet and have a sense of "Ho shit something is happening to my body" instead of just a random flash.

That being said, this game looks pretty, but in terms of everything that I'm seeing, it's already been done before, and I would give it a shot if I had a console. I'd just much rather see a sequel to Breakdown rather than this noise.

Rotorblade Oct 31, 2008 12:40 PM

Uh, the only way his game could be a ripoff of Breakdown would be if it got everything it tries to do WRONG and ended up being a disappointment. Breakdown was stiff and rigid and was good in theory only, this game actually controls enjoyably and I imagine this would be what Alex controlled like had she hot just been an NPC. Far more enjoyable here than in Breakdown.

That's not to say that I was really in love with the demo. This game seems fruity, dedicated to its Hollywood presentation values and completely alienating me from it. I didn't watch the intro movie because I just didn't care. I don't know, they say that hte military jarhead generic blah character archetype is stereotypical, but I don't really dig this aesthetic either. Anyway, less bullshit and more substance: I hate messing up then having to watch the tutorial sequence all over again just to make another attempt, but this is somewhat new territory for first person games at least regarding execution. It's a new idea so there'll be some transitioning to do.

Frankly, make me another game like Maken X, then I'll care. Platforming is for the birds, at least from what I saw.

Grail Oct 31, 2008 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RAZGRIZ-4 (Post 655984)
Uh, the only way his game could be a ripoff of Breakdown would be if it got everything it tries to do WRONG and ended up being a disappointment. Breakdown was stiff and rigid and was good in theory only, this game actually controls enjoyably and I imagine this would be what Alex controlled like had she hot just been an NPC. Far more enjoyable here than in Breakdown..

I'm going to throw in a 'it was good for it's time' sort of deal with what Breakdown was trying to accomplish. Were the controls stiff? Sure. Were there jumps you had to make in game that sucked? You betcha, but it never became frustrating...at least it didn't for me.

I could either be a Breakdown fanboy, or I could just be a fanboy for first person games such as this, and I'm bitter that this game could have been Breakdown 2 and I probably would have robbed/stolen/saved up for a PS3 to get my hands on it. Fuck HUDS in a first person game, seriously. There is no need for them, and if you think there is, then you need to stop being a god damn pansy. That last statement wasn't directed at anybody except those that think HUDs are the best thing in the world.

As far as new ideas go, the fact you have what looks to be like a first person GTA mixed with Breakdown, that's about it. IF this game allows total freedom and doesn't necessarily follow a linear path, I'll probably dig it, but the combat better be flawless. I don't want to spend an eternity in a game where all you can do is wrap your legs around someone's face.

Rotorblade Oct 31, 2008 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Grail (Post 656000)
but it never became frustrating...at least it didn't for me.

Is this just in regard to the platforming? Because I can recount several moments in Breakdown where I just wanted to quit. I already remember your love of Breakdown, Grail, so you don't really have a good leg to stand on as far as avoiding getting flagged by the "fanboy with rose tinted glasses" card. The platforming in Breakdown had some puzzling moments and I can already recall several moments I just hated that this game does fine. Like not getting shot at while shimmying across the narrow surface for one thing. Or a dick move final scenario and shitty multiple opponent combat.

Maken X is the better first person action game, bar none, and Mirror's Edge could very well make first person movement a reality. There's a lot of fundamental stuff here from other attempts, but a lot of improvements that I've seen... so far. There's always been cool little what ifs in first person games that Mirror's Edge is doing. Imagine a Thief game with similar movement like this? Or a more action/combat centric game for that matter.

This game is good news, regardless if I don't really dig the aesthetic. And it is doing new things, it's making good on the promise of quality. You can be an astrophysicist dreaming of space all day, the truth is that the astronauts are the guys who go up there and that's what this is about. Theory vs execution. It's clear who's good in theory and who's making it happen.

Dude, Breakdown was literally wasted potential, you can talk about the cool moments all day, but there aren't very many souls out there (myself included) who would want to suffer through it again. And that's for a very good reason. This game isn't "stealing" from anyone.

Grail Oct 31, 2008 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by RAZGRIZ-4 (Post 656003)
This game is good news, regardless if I don't really dig the aesthetic. And it is doing new things, it's making good on the promise of quality.

If you love Fable 1 for the exact same reasons as you stated above, I'm gonna have to call bullshit :tpg:

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You can be an astrophysicist dreaming of space all day, the truth is that the astronauts are the guys who go up there and that's what this is about. Theory vs execution. It's clear who's good in theory and who's making it happen.
Fair enough, but without the astrophysicist dreaming up the idea of space, we wouldn't have the astronauts to go up there. Couple with the fact that astronauts typically have to be in physical condition,(come on, xbox =/= PS3 or xbox 360), some people just CAN'T go into space, but they can help with the idea by starting it along.

Call it just bitterness on my end, and I do apologize for it. Yeah, I'm a fanboy of breakdown, and I can't believe that I stood out so much so long ago for you to remember :P. I just would HATE for people to call Mirror Edge a 'first of it's kind' when all it did is improve on an idea.

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Dude, Breakdown was literally wasted potential, you can talk about the cool moments all day, but there aren't very many souls out there (myself included) who would want to suffer through it again. And that's for a very good reason. This game isn't "stealing" from anyone.
You called my bluff on me being a fanboy, but back then in a sea of overused first person shooter games that were just one thing after another, Breakdown was a breath of fresh air. Though whereas you see wasted potential, I saw it as a stepping stone of where first person perspective games could emerge.

Sadly, I must have been the only one that could easily master the sliding kick to an uppercut in that game.

No. Hard Pass. Oct 31, 2008 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RAZGRIZ-4 (Post 655945)
The purpose would have been defeated like you after the last woman you hit on!

Purpose would have been defeated, but the game would have been better and easier to control.

Rotorblade Nov 1, 2008 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Grail (Post 656072)
If you love Fable 1 for the exact same reasons as you stated above, I'm gonna have to call bullshit :tpg:

Me am hated Fable 1. And don't own Fable 2 at the moment.

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Fair enough, but without the astrophysicist dreaming up the idea of space, we wouldn't have the astronauts to go up there. Couple with the fact that astronauts typically have to be in physical condition,(come on, xbox =/= PS3 or xbox 360), some people just CAN'T go into space, but they can help with the idea by starting it along.
The metaphor assumes you know that a lot of astronauts are also astrophysicists. Whereas one is just but a half of the whole and will thus only be a dreamer in comparison to the Astronaut who both dreams and then accomplishes. I know you mean well, Grail.

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Call it just bitterness on my end, and I do apologize for it. Yeah, I'm a fanboy of breakdown, and I can't believe that I stood out so much so long ago for you to remember :P. I just would HATE for people to call Mirror Edge a 'first of it's kind' when all it did is improve on an idea.

You called my bluff on me being a fanboy, but back then in a sea of overused first person shooter games that were just one thing after another, Breakdown was a breath of fresh air. Though whereas you see wasted potential, I saw it as a stepping stone of where first person perspective games could emerge.

Sadly, I must have been the only one that could easily master the sliding kick to an uppercut in that game.
See, nothing ever came of Breakdown. Namco abandoned the idea and game for greener pastures, so the statement of it being wasted potential is more than true. I've played my fair share of first person games, and we've already seen games like Portal do interesting things with the perspective. Fallout 3 is out and has somehow refined an idea Bethesda's been doing countless times. Don't hunt for "innovation" or "fresh air", because you're never gonna find it that way.

And I could do the sliding kick into uppercut in that game easy. Fighting multiple opponents was something I hated because until you had that charged jump kick, it was a tedious pain in the ass because of the T'Lan. That second T'Langen injection was a pretty awesome moment. I can think of several horrible ones to counter act it, though.

Grail Nov 1, 2008 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by RAZGRIZ-4 (Post 656111)
Me am hated Fable 1. And don't own Fable 2 at the moment.

Good man.

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And I could do the sliding kick into uppercut in that game easy. Fighting multiple opponents was something I hated because until you had that charged jump kick, it was a tedious pain in the ass because of the T'Lan. That second T'Langen injection was a pretty awesome moment. I can think of several horrible ones to counter act it, though.
The only part of the game I hated was after you jumped from the roof and had to deal with soldiers and that damn helicopter. That was the most frustrating part of the game for me.

But, back to Mirror's Edge...if this game has as many epic moments in it as Breakdown did, and the storyline isn't halfway stupid, then I do hope they are able to go places with it. Truth is, I'd rather see MORE games like Breakdown and Mirror's edge than, let's say, Half-life. Sure, realistic physics is cool and all, but it doesn't make a lick of difference to me if I don't FEEL like I am the character. To me half-life fails on this, but Mirror's Edge accomplishes this from just the footage alone. I just wanted a Breakdown 2 >_< lol

Rockgamer Nov 1, 2008 10:34 PM

When I first played the demo, I kinda hated it. It seemed really hard to control and I wasn't impressed with the gameplay. But as I played further on, it got pretty good, and by the end I thought it was pretty enjoyable. Enough so that I played it again and ended up enjoying it even more.

I don't know what it is. The platforming seems a bit rough, and the combat isn't that great, but I still love the game. Even with it's flaws, the game is interesting enough to make me want to play. The game does come out on my birthday, so maybe it will make a good present to myself.

The Plane Is A Tiger Nov 6, 2008 12:39 PM

I finally got around to downloading the Mirror's Edge demo a few days ago, and I'm still a little torn on it. There's no denying that it manages to keep up a fun, fast pace and at least the demo level was really well designed. Still, the combat felt incredibly awkward the few times I had to use it and there were one or two times when it was difficult to figure out where it wanted me to go exactly. The next red thing was hard to spot, especially the helicopter rail at the end of the level. Automatically grabbing onto pipes after a jump was pretty sketchy too, and seemed to fail a good deal of the time.

I admit it though; the main reason I'm not keen on the game is motion sickness. I doubt I could play for much longer than the half hour I spent on the demo, and that's on a good night. I wasn't sick yet, but I wasn't feeling very good either. It's a real shame since there were some parts of the demo that I loved like escaping that building, bashing through doors.

map car man words telling me to do things Nov 9, 2008 06:16 PM

I just finished the PS3 version, it's over very quickly because you keep playing and wanting more.

It's a mix of wonderful and frustrating. The movement and jumping rarely get to feel liberating because most levels have strict restrictions (cramped space, pursuers, time limits), you will die many, many times, over and over and over and over. But when you get things right (a perfect string of disarmings, a perfect flow from A to B), it's quite unlike anything. The moments when you're given space to breathe are the most memorable, but granted there are numerous exhilarating chase sequences and setpieces that will leave you gasping for breath afterwards.

It's just that the controls can feel very unintuitive at all the wrong times and many segments just feel unfair. Still, I got through the game without having to shoot a single enemy, so that's proven possible. It'll take a lot of patience and luck, though.

The story and cutscenes are pretty hokum sadly. I didn't feel the animu style storytelling sequences fit the rest of the game that well and the eventual plot has you rolling your eyes, but Faith is a likeable character and I felt compelled to honor her dislike of guns by not using them in the game. So that's something.

If you enjoyed the demo (a lot), I urge you to at least rent and play this, if not buy. DICE have attempted something brave and ambitious and for most parts succeed in extremely well. It's an atmospheric, pretty (I hate the look of the swat outfits, but the environments look superb) and unusual experience that will most certainly be more enjoyable on a second playthrough. And because it doesn't outstay its welcome in the least, you'll probably feel like replaying it quite a few times. Next time I'm shooting those SWAT though, god damnit.

WolfDemon Nov 9, 2008 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SILBER-1 (Post 657286)
there were one or two times when it was difficult to figure out where it wanted me to go exactly. The next red thing was hard to spot, especially the helicopter rail at the end of the level.

I had the same problem. I thought the helicopter was trying to kill me, so I kept trying to jump off all the other sides of the building. Took me a few tries to figure it out.

Megalith Nov 9, 2008 09:01 PM

I preordered the game from Gamestop today just to get the runner's bag, but I'll probably return the game and keep the preorder bonus. I loved the demo, but $60 for a video game is nonsensical.

Shenlon Nov 9, 2008 10:43 PM

i saw the trailers from the same demo level so many times I automatically knew to jump on the helicopter right away.
I played the demo a few times already and there's just a feeling of achievement when you do everything right and plus it looks awesome. Not sure, I'm on the edge of this game. I feel like I may play the story mode and it'll be great but after that I don't know if there will be any other reason to play it. I may rent it, then later get it for used.

Roan Dec 27, 2008 12:39 AM

wallpaper of that Faith 12 year old makeover ahaha :P
http://i44.tinypic.com/34zyvx2.jpg
full 1080p version here:
Scrap Faith cute version edit by ~Valiance on deviantART


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