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Father held his daughter prisoner for 24 years
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Austrian Incest Nightmare: Father Confesses to Horrific Crime - International - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News 24 years, wtf... It's almost unbelievable that nobody noticed anything over two and a half decades. Also, this man looks pretty much horrifying, I wouldn't want to meet him in the park http://i.somethingawful.com/forumsys.../emot-pedo.gif |
What the hell, that's terrible. Not only did he rape her repeatedly but he kept her from living her life for 24 years. Something like this is hard to even fully comprehend, because it just seems to insane.
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Let's not forget he also fathered 7 (grand)children with his daughter. Most of which ended up in an incinerator... yup, thats fucked up.
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I can't believe his wife didn't even know about the cellar. What, for two decades, she never went down there? If she tried, and he told her not to, and that was that, for 24 years? Clearly she'd see it was in use, because he'd be going down there every so often. The other alternative is she just never thought about it. Either way it's a little strange. |
I think it's pretty strange to that the wife didn't know about it. It said that the door had an electronic code on it so maybe she didn't know the code and didn't question why he was going down there. Although that is kinda strange.
But that's just so horrible! It's extremely bad that he held his daughter prisoner for 24 years and raped her repeatedly. It's even worse that he burned one of the children in the furnace. Even though I don't think there's anything that could be much worse. I just can't understand how someone could do something like that. Having kids with your daughter,killing one of them,holding them hostage in the cellar and no one knew about all that? It's just so weird and so very sick. I wonder who gave the police that tip and how they went about finding it out. |
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Still... that's pretty messed up. |
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Extremely disturbing and had done a damn fine job of keeping his wife in the dark regarding the electronic lock due to his masterful fabrication of lies. I just sincerely hope the daughter and the kids will be alright. Wouldn't be surprised if one goes homicidal but I hope it doesn't happen. Quote:
Austrian man confesses to holding daughter captive – police | Herald Sun |
Man, I wonder if there is something in Austria's water that makes crazy people keep hostages for years, underground :p
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So, the father and his wife actually brought up some of the grandkids? What the hell must the wife have been smoking? "UhH...anotHer kid jUust camE ouTt of da basEmeNt...*nurture*"
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Ugh. And ugh again. This is one of those things that brings all of humanity down a notch. I don't know how many "Why" or "How can" questions I could make out of this. I seriously can't believe that for TWENTY-FOUR YEARS his wife didn't know about this. I mean, this isn't something that is not noticable (as I'm sure there are a variety of things such as NOISES that would occur).
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The room was soundproof, still this is disturubing indeed considering he is living in a civilized moderen culture...
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Wait I don't get at all the explanation of how she was discvoered.
So some teen got ill in the building, and went to the hospital. Then... what happened? I don't get this section at all "Authorities publicly appealed for the mother to come forward to help diagnose the young woman's condition. After receiving a tip, police picked up the 42-year-old woman - identified as Elisabeth - and her father on Saturday close to the hospital." Can someone rephrase it for me ? |
24 years, my god. And he managed to keep it a complete secret, even from his wife (in his basement no less)! 24 years of raping his daughter, bearing 7 children, one which got tossed into a furnace and 3 of which got to see their first ray of sunshine the same day the police found them. So much for paternal love.
That poor daughter, locked up for 24 years, how is she supposed to readjust and rejoin society? And as for the father, very rarely has the death penalty looked so insufficient and so impotent as it does now. Nothing short of an eternity of pain and torture would seem sufficient for this case. |
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The most disturbing thing about this is the article's mention of another girl recently escaping from the same kind of situation after eight and a half years. Two of these crimes in less than two years is pretty horrible when I've only heard of maybe three others total. I'm still not clear on how the wife didn't notice this for 24 years either. Assuming he managed to soundproof the cellar enough to block out the screams of childbirth, you'd think the wife would've wanted to see the area so much money and construction work was going into. |
The article stated that he had an electronic lock installed on the door, and even then the pictures made it look like the door was somewhat, if not entirely hidden, so even if the wife found the door, she couldn't have gotten in. Who knows.
Beyond that, yes the old man should be severely punished for this crime. Any word on whether the incest babies were born with a mental handicap or disability? I mean, don't incest couplings usually end up with deformed babies? |
The door was hidden by a tool rack, and pretty small so if you didn't know where to look you wouldn't have found it. Even so, either the woman knew about it and is in denial, or she's seriously retarded. Just the fact that she hadn't seen her daughter for 24 years while her husband didn't seem to worry so much should have been a hint to what could have been going on. Belgian newspapers reported today that they suspect there may be other men involved, they are testing the paternity of the children, and they also can't see the guy pulling a stunt like this off alone (he went on holiday for a couple of weeks, so someone had to look after the girl).
rocketdog: The man "adopted" his incest daughters, and when one of them got sick, they needed a family history to diagnose her. The police searched for the woman, who was presumably missing, until they eventually discovered the cellar. |
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This is pretty much the most horrible thing I can conceive of. How do you even live your life after this? How do you go on knowing that you're the product of brutal incestual rape? That your birth mother/sister was being raped regularly beneath your feet by your own father? If all of these kids hopped into a car and drove off a cliff, I would understand completely. |
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I can't contemplate how anyone could MISS something like this... yet alone how anyone could be the brains behind this sort of operation. Its sickening. |
It was actually pretty well constructed and hidden, if he could just make occasional visits when nobody's around and make sure she's fed at least somewhat regularly without drawing suspicion I could see nobody being the wiser.
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I don't feel the need to pass judgment on someone indirectly related in this awful story that came out two days ago. I'm just saying I need more information here before I call someone who just found out her daughter was being raped for a quarter of a century right under her nose an idiot.
Of the details that came out so far, what surprises me is that the father reportedly took the eldest of the cellar-children to the hospital because she was extremely sick. It doesn't even surprise me in a hindsight-is-20-20 way, just that, if I spent eighteen years hiding the existence of a person from the entire world, I would be a lot happier if they just up and died quietly. |
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Dude's probably getting too old to dig out a little mini mausoleum for the body, either...
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This is really nothing new. Is no one here familiar with the 1977 case of Colleen Stan?
She was kidnapped by a husband and wife, forced to live in a box under a bed for seven years and go through various types of S&M torture, force-feeding, sodomy, rape, etc |
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This scenario reminds me of Plato's Allegory of the Cave.
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This article appeared in our local paper today and caught my eye because of the geographically similar case of the girl who escaped after eight years from imprisonment. That and the fact that something like this is so horrific, I believe it's almost worse than death to suffer torture like that. I can only hope that she receives the best psychiatric care possible, because experiencing such injustice for that length of time would seem to almost be irreversible, what with the conditioning that has taken place. One would have to have a superhuman will to endure. That, plus the scary fact that this kind of thing or worse could happen anywhere without anyone knowing is indescribable. My deepest condolences most obviously.
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LeHah, if you've got shit to say, then say it.
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allegory of the cave has absolutely no relation to this, you fucking jackass
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Just listen to LZ, hes got the right idea. |
I was referring to the notion of having no contact with the outside world.
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And we're referring to the notion of you shutting your goddamn mouth. This isn't exactly the best place for your mental masturbation.
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If anything, this is in direct opposition to Plato - since not only did the girl know there was a world beyond the basement, but she was later brought out into it. |
How gullible must his wife have been to believe whatever lies he was telling her???! You'd think she would be a little suspicious. Poor girl.
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It's pretty good to read these kinds of things. Just makes us think of the thinks a person is capable of doing.
It's fascinating how the mind works. |
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Free.User, I think the girl was 18 when she was imprisoned, so I would assume that she didn't start off without any notion of the outside world. She probably went to school and had birthday parties or whatever. Unless you're talking about the children in the underground cellar, then I guess it makes sense....?
Regarding the story, my friend told me this yesterday, but actually reading about the details is pretty sickening. I hope there's going to be more information soon, since there's so many questions that haven't been answered. My main one would be how the mom had no idea, or what exactly the father told his daughter and wife; did the daughter know that she was in her home's basement? Was there any escape attempts? I hope this guy gets thrown in prison for a long time, with an announcement regarding his crime the moment he steps into jail. Dirty fucker. |
I read today that the daughter/granddaughter who was brought to hospital is going to die within the next few days as her organs are failing as a direct consequence of her imprisonment (although the article did not specify the kind of condition she suffers from). The man will therefore be charged with double murder.
As for the wife, I would assume she has been living in denial and oppression from her husband, not wanting to see anything. Then again, I do not know the details of her circumstances. |
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I thought that kid died before becoming barbeque.
Although for reals, there's a ton of other crimes this guy has been associated with. He snuck in and raped this one woman, he attempted to rape another (convictions for both), some woman came out saying he raped her but she was too terrified to report it, he may have killed a 17 year old girl... |
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God, this is awful. 24 years is a very long time, and I feel so sorry for the poor woman and her kids. This reminds of this news story that has recently been covered about this polygamist group in Texas who had about 600 girls in custody that were being trained to become wives of men who were significantly older. These girls were basically brainwashed from a very young age, and then married off when they were really young to 50, 60 year old men.
The young boys who were involved in this group were brutally beaten and isolated from the girls so that normal attachments wouldn't be formed. |
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