Research suggests men are clueless when it comes to women.
 

Good news guys, apparently we're to blame for us reading women incorrectly. Luckily, we are given this revelation by a woman, in this classy, not-at-all male-bashing* article

Clueless Guys Can't Read Women | LiveScience

Communication is a two-way street. To simply blame men is an exercise in futility. I often mistake signals from women but I don't think it's because I'm clueless. Half the time it's women sending mixed signals at ME. I wouldn't go so far as to say women are totally to blame, but if you're sending signals that 70% of your audience is misinterpreting, I would say the fault lies more with the sender.

I call bullshit. I don't think the interpretation of the study by this author has anything to do with non-verbal communication at all.

The following passage gives away the agenda....

Anyone who has spent any amount of time around feminists know that gender as a social construct instead of a biological instinct is a pillar of modern feminism thought.

Oh no, they're using science to justify a political ideology! :(

This is utter truth. I know this because I know one guy who says, "Yeaaaaah buddy! She WANTS my cock!" about every girl who smiles at him. My research is infallible.

So, wait, they're basing the survey group's decisions based upon a previous survey of students, the exact people they're trying to show are poor communicators?

Don't most men admit to being clueless when it comes to women anyway? o_O

No. Most men who are completely socially inept will say this. It's a way of making up for the fact they have no idea how to interact with people. "I'm bad with women because I don't understand them."

I've never had a problem understanding women. They're not all that different from men.

Men are about as clueless to reading non-verbal signals as women are obsessive about the possibility that something was a signal. Honest to god I have listened to a friend of mine obsess for hours about whether the fact that a guy she knew nodded at her in passing in the hall was a signal or not. Seriously, two and a half hours of my life wasted away. Women are just generally more detail oriented then men so they see a lot more being communicated through simple gestures then guys do. Neither is right or wrong, just different.

For you. I imagine that you "get" women. You know how to deal with them. Why? Because you care to.

I don't think women are complicated at all. Maybe it's because I am a female. Who knows. But I've always thought that if you care to pay attention to patterns and behaviors, you can also "understand" us. Most men don't seem to care about making a genuine effort on the learning bit.

Women often say that MEN are complicated. They're not, if you're willing to communicate, take some extra time to think about a perspective, so on, so forth.

Communication, I suppose, is the most important.

((I've always been a lot better at communicating with men than women. Maybe it has to do with my upbringing and how my mind works. *SHRUG*))

There are no universal body language signals, contrary to some peoples belief (e.g. the writer of this article), and I just get irritated when people think you should notice some of these ridiculous "signals". If for some reason the recipient of these "love signals" doesn't catch on it's not in any way his or her fault, in that case, it's the sender not being clear enough. If sending very subtle signals doesn't let the guy/girl know that you like her/him, be less subtle and just go on harder and tell her/him that you like them and don't complain about it. Heck, not all men/women are experienced in this field, and I can say myself that I tend to have hard time understanding signals like this at times, I guess it can be because of a lack of experience, but I can't help that can I?

If you want someone to understand, just be more clear about it. There's no other way, I guess.

I guess I'm kinda guilty about not being able to read signals. But I more just don't notice them then misread them. And it's not like women are really any better. Basicly any girl I've ever liked never noticed inspite of how obvious I would make it. I mean I'd be so obvious that anyone else observing us would notice but the girl wouldn't. I think maybe people don't notice those kind of signals if it's not someone they're interested in? I think they'd also probably more likely to misread friendly signals if they're coming from someone they like to. There are just way too many factors that this "research" doesn't take into consideration.

The only way this research would be close to valid for me would be if they had hetero and homosexual men and women reading signals from the same sex. Just doing (presumably) straight people reading the opposite sex doesn't seem throrogh enough. If there was a large descrepency in same sex readings vs. opposite sex readings THEN and only then would that give some credibility to this.

I know lots of guys that think every smile, a simple hug or even that they happened to look in their general direction, is a sign that a girl is into them. Not to say that I haven't been guilty of those types of thoughts myself either, but thoughts are only one piece of the puzzle. I don't act on those 'signals' every single time. In fact, I don't act usually until I have some form of confirmation. But then, even then you can be wrong cause like sprout said, some girls just give plain mixed up messages. Freaking retarded.

*Also, the whole time reading this thread and typing this post, there was a video of dancing anime cheerleaders or something playing in the corner. Hooray for april fools day =P"

I actually know a lot of girls who interpret every look/smile/hello/wave as "he's interested in me." Three of my closest friends actually will tell me that some guy in a car, driving down the street, was checking them out. What I see is somebody glancing about. They will almost always say something like, "That guy was checking us/you/me out." If I propose that he might have...I don't know...just turned his head while waiting for the stoplight to change, they'll shoot me down and say that I don't know how to read men.

It's true, I don't know how to read men in a romantic sense...but I sure as hell know how to read men in everyday life. And 95% of the time, these guys are just being human, not flirting. But whatever.

Same here, for the most part. I'm excellent at being friends and hanging out with men, but anything beyond that and I flounder about hopelessly.

Miscommunication goes both ways. Men and women naturally communicate differently but there are some people who happen to communicate like the other gender and therefore end up being slightly more intuitive. However, no one's a mind reader, aren't we all clueless when it comes to something we don't know? Unless it's my sister or my husband, I can't predict what someone is going to do or what they mean with non-verbal cues unless it's obvious.

Research like this bugs me. :p

The smarter men who understand women will do so. Because most women will find convenience in going about believing the above statement and living by it. Thus, the men whom are truly intelligent, will shut their mouths about the subject, say they know nothing of it, and opt to listen to the female so that they can move on to a different subject.

Key thing, guys. Active LISTENING is 98% of the battle. If you can overcome this step and learn to do this well, I shit you not, not only will you get laid in every other city you come across but you will make big money in customer service / sales positions. The other 2% is tact, style, and charisma.

Nobody can understand women. Not even women. They think they know their place, but they don't. Men think they understand what women say, but all they think about is sex.

So yeah, I think this research is just stating a common fact that's been going on around for decades.

Also, it's much better talking to someone rather than giving them a wink. A wink may mean a lot of things. Why not go direct to the point? Which is a lot easier said than done.

Analyzing body language is impossible. Whatever happened to the notion that everyone is different? So every woman that tosses her hair around me, i'm supposed to realize that she's sending me a signal?

Let's be logical here, if you like someone, tell them the truth. Why play games and hope that person catches on? Isn't that hoping for too much, I mean, we're only human here. Sadly, these are the harsh realities of society today, you either pick up on a signal, or get left behind.

I don't believe anyone said anything like that. If you have trouble reading body language, perhaps you have a problem with communication in general.

Yea, see, body language is a little more complex than that. Consider conditions, circumstances, whatever is surrounding a situation. (In other words, use your fucking head) Most body language is unnoticed to the person performing the actions.

Just because a woman tosses her hair when she walks by you doesn't mean she wants you. It means she wanted to toss her hair.

Things aren't always so black and white. The sooner you start paying attention, using your head to put the pieces together, and actually give a good goddamn about understanding (instead of plugging your ears and saying LA LA LA), you're not going very far.

Again, things aren't always so black and white.

For example, in a work place, two people maybe be VERY attracted to each other (and send each other signals), but it would behoove them not to let on that they were seeing each other or what have you.

"Signals," as I guess we're calling them, are not always intentional either.

Hair flips, lip-licking, things like this are often subconscious gestures. It's not like a woman always INTENTIONALLY hair-flips when she thinks it's the right time.

It's all about the subtleties.

LeHah suggests that this research was a waste of money, since everyone knew this already.

I don't try to read women anyway. I'm not into that whole "signal" deal. I've always been up front and open about things, and I'd like to think women can be too. Luckily, I've met women who are like that.

But I don't have really any ego, so I pretty much never have looked or talked to a girl and assumed she liked me.

To: Women
From: Men

Subject: If you like us

Body: Dear Women, if you like us and want to date / fuck us, say so. Be blunt, be obvious, Be DIRECT. Your chances of success rise by an average of 75%*

Sincerely,
Men.

*Individual results may vary

Why should we cater to your needs when other men make an actual effort to communicate with us?

My mother once summed it up nicely:

"Boys are stupid, girls are crazy."

"Oh, is your Mommy a doctor?
A scientific researcher of some kind?
Well then she's hardly a credible expert, is she?"

Do you know why men and women don't communicate? Because for years mothers like yours have fucking LIED to them about there being these drastic differences between the sexes. There just isn't. You've been categorically tricked into believing you need to do something special to read the opposite gender, or read ridiculous books and watch shitty daytime TV to figure out what to do.

I'm going to let you in on the secret...

THERE IS NO FUCKING SECRET.

Talk to them like a normal fucking human being. Don't have your head up your ass. That's the trick. Crazy, isn't it? Now go away and stop being a douche bag. All of you.

ITT Deni RAGE

FYI I don't take any relationship from my mother. She's been married and divorced twice and has early warning signs of turning into a crazy cat lady.

Honestly, I think whether male or female. Everyone should be more direct when they like someone. Or for that matter dislike someone. Inspite of the fact that I've never gotten a date, not a single girl ever gave me a real no. They always came up with some way to avoid answering. Naturally I understand when they're doing this now, but I didn't used to.

But seriously if you like someone, why should the guys be the only ones to say something? Are women so obsessed with the notion that guys have to ask, that they're willing to go unnoticed and miss out on someone they liked? Meanwhile the guy they like might be going around asking out women that have no interest in him.

I've learned of girls that supposedly liked me, but I always find out when it's too late for the knowledge to be of any use to me.

It goes both ways: Men don't get the 'sublte' hints women often do, like twirling their hair or scooching closer or whatever else you wanna give as an example, while women aren't forward enough. I can't tell you how many times I've been confused if a woman is flirting with me or just being friendly. There needs to be a greater sense of shared communication standards across the sexes.

When you say "those men who 'make an effort' ", therein lies the problem: No one should have to make 'an effort' to communicate. Communication is a fundamental skill which I think should be something that is done freely, easily, and at will. Now there's an important distinction however: Communication in and of itself should be something that anyone can do, however Flirting or Showing interest, I think DOES require effort on both parts, because
of your specific intentions. However as I said above: Men don't get the small clues given to them, and women don't give clear signs of their interest... So I guess in a way, everyone needs to make an effort,

just not in basic Communication.

Yes they fucking DO. YOU just can't read them. A load of fucking internet virgins on a gaming website is not a suitable testing group for this subject. Why do you think those fucking meatheads you nerds all detest can pull skirts at will? Because they've learned the fucking game, haven't they? It's a skill. It's a skill just like any other goddamn skill. If you don't practice seduction and attraction, you'll fucking suck at it. Shin, Beaner and I are not the prettiest men on this site. We're rarely the prettiest men in a bloody room, but I'm getting the impression the three of us pull more than the rest of you lot combined. Why do you suppose that is? Maybe it's because we took the five bloody seconds it took to learn what to look for. How to make people aware we're interested.

You know, those generic traits a fucking APE has learned. If you can master how to play Donkey Kong Country, you can learn how to play a woman. Christ. Stop talking like you're in bloody elementary school. No, actually talk MORE like you're in elementary school. Pull someone's pigtails and call them stupid. At least then you might be on the right path for letting them know you're interested.

And that, right there, sums up the problems you lot have with women. You think -they're- the problem. They aren't. You just suck at this, because you're over thinking it. I have played councilor to semi-pros like Frank all the way down to weeaboo trolls like Ultima, and you know what? They've all been able to do fine. Why? Because they stop cramming their heads up their asses and take a moment to rationalize the bloody situation. You're terrified of women, you have no confidence and you clearly aren't aggressive personalities. Now why, I wonder, would women have a problem finding a proper way to flirt with you? Maybe because women don't like spineless fucking ponces. Show a little goddamn initiative. Smile, tell a fucking JOKE. FLIRT FOR GOD'S SAKES. Do it for fun. I do it all the time. I flirt with my roommate when I get up in the morning, I flirt with people I work with, I flirt with my friend's girlfriends. Why? So that when I meet a girl I honest to god want to plow, I can turn on the charm like it's second nature. Because after a while, it bloody well is.

I'm a fat, hairy ex-punk rocker, sarcastic, arrogant git. And I've been pulling women since I was 14. You have no fucking excuses. Any guy. ANY GUY can pull women way outside his "range". It's fucking laughably easy. That's the truth of it, isn't it? It's SIMPLE. You just have to get good at it. If you think you're good enough for them, or even better, if you think you're too good for them, chances are, they will too. Women like confidence. Men like confidence. If you don't act like a fucking berke, people will like you better. It's pretty simple.

I should sell fucking books on tape or something.

Are you god?

A Norse one, probably.

Denicalis - The Norse god of facial hair, hooking up, and smiting emos.

Whenever I try to flirt it just gives off "creepy Asian dude" vibes. I think maybe I come off as too much of an innocent kid at first so it makes people uncomfortable when I get more playful later.

You're putting words in my mouth. I never said they're the problem. I just don't understand why girls are so unwilling to be upfront about things sometimes. If a girl doesn't want to date a guy, she should flat out tell him no rather then coming up with an excuse. Do they really think it's gonna hurt my feelings that bad if they're honest?

The only time I ever blame the girl is when they seem to have very bad judgement when it comes to who to date. Like a girl my friend liked who decided to go back to her ex boyfriend. An ex boyfriend who mooched on her for 2 years with no job, cheated on her, kicked down her door while drunk, and threatened to kill her. I don't care how good the guy is at "Playing the game" or whatever you want to call it. A girl has to be really stupid to go back to a guy that's got a high probability of murdering her.

Now you're making assumptions. I flirt with girls, I tell jokes to girls. I have no problem getting girls to laugh. I've even had girls give me some really unexpected compliments. But the minute they realize I'm actually interested in them, they avoid me as though I had the plague or something.

I'm not sure how much of what you said was targeted at me. But since you quoted me, I felt the need to respond.

No. This is the kind of thing that happens when you're already dating a woman (or girl, in your case) and she no longer wants to go out with you. This, of course, varies from person to person and, as it just so happens, you've probably run across the ones that don't want to fuck you anymore; simple as that.

I think you really need to look at the phrase you used "playing the game" more closely. This is exactly what it is: A game. A lot of women like to play the game by being coy about your advances while others are all over them and it's your part in the game to read those plays. As for you and your friend, I agree that a girl has to be fucking retarded to want to go back to her boyfriend if he's THAT abusive. If your friend is the one still chasing said retard after he knows of her tendencies then I don't know what to tell you. tellhimtokillhimself

It's kind of like finding the sucker at the poker table. If you can't tell who the sucker is, guess what? It's YOU.

Try harder, man. Not EVERY girl is going to be repulsed by you. (I hope for your sake)

He wasn't targeting you specifically, hence the phrase directly after your quoted post:

Because they are not clear, hence my point.

Using hand eye coordination and judging where the Bananas are located in a level has NOTHING in common with 'playing' a woman. They are entirely different 'games'. Seducing a woman is a fine art, donkey kong is a juvenile video-game.

Granted, I get the basic analogy you're trying to make (That if given time and practice you will become better at a skill and that it can apply to any sort of activity, video-games or getting women), but that above is a very poor example. No, I can't think of a better one right now before you ask.

Also, while reading the rest of your response, I realized my own problem as to why I am not very successful: I think too much about how I appear in her eyes, about how she views me. I know this is the problem and you'd think If I knew my problem I could overcome it, but Doing something is a lot different then talking about it.

Do as I say, not as I do?

Take a breather Deni, you'll pop a vein being so RAGE in this thread.

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A small note: I had to rewrite this about 5 different times and I'm getting a headache from trying to cover all the angles of replying to possible responses to my own replies.

Well to make it simple then: I think men should try and understand the subtle signs given in flirting, and women should try and be more direct. I mean, hell, what's so bad about a woman approaching a guy first sometimes?

Ever think that the problem isn't necessarily them, but yourself? Maybe?

I can't believe you just typed a whole paragraph in regards to the implication Deni made.

Seducing a woman is NOT a fucking fine art. Jesus CHRIST, where are you getting these crazy ideas. TALK TO HER. That's about as COMPLICATED AS IT GETS!

How about this.

When you interact with a woman you like, treat her the same way you would anyone. Be kind, be friendly, be courteous. Women want to have genuine interaction - they don't want sniveling men who don't know how to communicate to up and rubbing their snot all over them. You need to be confident, and I think that's your major fuck up right there.

Women pick up on "weirdo" behavior. You don't want to be perceived as a weirdo, do you?

Think about how Deni would do it. I imagine Deni would just walk right up to a woman he rather liked, and start a conversation about something with her. That way, both parties get a little insight into what the other person is like.

You're not failing because women "aren't blunt" or "direct." You're failing because you're not communicating as well as you should be.

Put down the goddamn video game controller and TALK TO WOMEN.

You're not ordering a fucking burger at Wendy's, here - why would you expect that kind of "drive-up" communication with a woman?

I knew I'd get something like this in response, but I honestly can't think of a witty snappy comeback to that kind of question. I do see my own shortcomings as a part of the problem, but any response I expect people to likely pigeon hole it down to either SHE'S the problem 100% or I'M the problem 100%, and I don't think that's necessarily entirely true. I've made errors before and I'm sure they have too. After all we are but merely human.

I didn't mean fine art as in a painting or classical music. It was a way to say that compared to the basic skills necessary to play a video game, romancing a woman is a lot more involved and requires a delicate touch, COMPARED to a video game it is LIKE a fine art. Maybe I should have used a different metaphor.

On the second part: You say just Talk to her huh? Well... I've been 'talking' to several women for a while now, but given the lack of intimacy and continued friendly relations (with some flirting here and there), I'm probably saying the wrong thing, aha ha. Ehh but pay it no matter, I get your point. I need to stop over thinking the situation, along with...

I can't really argue against that.

Well, I don't know you, so I can't say it's either party's fault with 100% certainty.

I just know that you blaming her for not being direct is you nailing yourself into your own coffin.

We're all human, and not perfect. People fuck up. But don't blame women for not walking right up to you and asking if you want to go out. There's some give and take involved. And that's called "communicating."

Well, the metaphor is most fitting here. On a gaming forum. On the internet.

I think you see where I am going with it.

But regardless of your very funny metaphor, if you don't have the ability to talk to a woman like she's a glass vase that cracks if you speak too loud, find a more sturdy vase. (what the fuck kind of women are you trying to woo? Maybe your problem is that you're treating them like some kind of delicate flower? I couldn't say. I don't like it when men act differently around me - they're not being genuine if they're pussy-footing.)

Well, again. How are you communicating?

You know that "friend zone?" You're placing yourself there. Most men do without even knowing it. You talk to a woman. Be yourself.

I used to tell a few of my friends who are male and aren't attracted to me (but we're good pals) that they should just pretend the girl they were interested is me. And talk to her like they would talk to me. Casual. Genuine. Honest. Don't treat her like a glass vase. Most of my buddies are usually really, really great people - but they hide underneath a really thick mask for some reason when it comes to women they're attracted to.

Women can sense that. And if you come across as that sort of guy, you get put on the "friends" list.

Be assertive. If you like yourself, you should have no trouble being yourself in front of an attractive female.

Once again, Sass speaks the truth. You know I can slightly emphasize with some of the things that Dark Nation & Darkmage Ozzie are saying, because to be honest I use to be like that.

The fact that it took a long time for me to be involved with someone and I always thought it was the women's fault for the main reason why I was single, but as I got older I managed to get out of that mentality pretty fast. As people have said if you like somebody than go up and talk to them, its as simple as that. Using an excuse as silly as you can't read their signals is incredibly poor. I discovered that the hard way. You know I'll be incredibly honest, I don't have much confidence, but that never stopped me in expressing interest in someone I was attracted to. I choose not to be as upfront and blunt as Denicalis and other members on this site, but it tends to be a slow going process, but by the end of it, I know if there is going to something more to this or if I gained another friend.

You know what, your not going to avoid signals or subtle hints even if your in a relationship whether your going out with a man or woman. It is always going to exist. There is no fun in a relationship if you have a fucking road map that dictates what you should be like or what to do when your involved with your significant other.

Over time I managed to become more aware of female body language, and I can be a bit slow, I probably missed out on some opportunities in my life, but I don't fucking regret it. I deal with it and move on.

Personally I'm not a big fan of women giving signals or subtle hints, but whatever I deal with it. My fiance gives me subtle hints, but at least I've been with her long enough to fucking pick up on it.

When it comes to dating, don't make childish excuses about how you can't find anybody. Don't expect an opportunity to fall in your lap, if you want to be with somebody at least put in some fucking effort.

From my personal opinion, Denicalis tends to be a little bit more dedicated to this subject is that every so often, somebody comes into the advice colum complaining about their relationship or the fact they can't be with anybody and it usually comes down to the same conclusion, making poor excuses because your afraid to be rejected and your trying to find a trick or a sure fire way to know if he or she is into you. Its not rocket science, just talk to them. Overall, I can't speak for him that is just through my observations.

In terms of the article itself, as Lehah as said, it is just a waste of time, I guess a whole bunch of people got bored and just decided this tidbit of information would be relevant in terms of explaining male to female bonding.

I honestly think if you did, you'd have a whole group of people weep all at once, but it could drastically decline the amount of emo kids.

This nailed it. You guys are making excuses for your ignorance and incompetence, while getting defensive because someone noticed you're not all that good with women. No one thinks you're a bad person because you haven't yet learned how to be comfortable around women, but at the same time, no one wants to coddle your ass here because that comfort zone of blaming the woman for your incompetence with them is what's holding you back.

Look here. Dark Nation, the reason why people blame you instead of the woman is because you said yourself that you've tried to make it with several broads but you haven't been successful with any. Occam's razor says something's wrong with your approach, not that each one of these disparate women are... I'm not even sure what you're suggesting that they are. Oblivious? Kindly not interested in you?

When Sass talks about the 'friend zone', she's not saying you can't make it with a friend, but that you haven't shown this broad that you're interested in her as anything more than a friend. Maybe you should try pushing it harder than you have currently. Being comfortable around women, getting them interested in you as a person is only the first step, and just mastering that one step won't get you anything other than friends.

Darkmageozzie, blow your defensive bullshit out your ass. You have no right to say that anyone's putting words in your mouth when you go on at length about how women have some sort of entitlement issue that they won't flat out say the word 'no' when you ask them out. When you say things like 'women are obsessed with making men ask them out', that says that you're a coward and you've never impressed a woman enough that she would want to spend quality time with you. Reading your posts, I don't blame them one bit.

You're an asshole who thinks you deserve a girlfriend because you can make nice with broads now and then. Your example of 'the kind of women you blame' being a classic Nice Guy strawman made me laugh. What do you blame her for, that she's in her romantic relations willingly? I don't think anyone doesn't, but look at how defensive you get when someone blames you for being in your romantic relations willingly. What, you're not good enough to take your own medicine? Quit with the loser denial and maybe you'll be on the first step in becoming someone tolerable enough to be around.

Was that direct enough for you?

Awesome! This has now turned into TQP material. Enjoy your beers~

Ouch.

For the record I only mentioned the guys having to ask girls out thing, because I know plenty of girls who wouldn't ask a guy out because it's supposedly not socially acceptable for a girl to ask a guy out. And honestly I've always hated people who worry about what society thinks. Unless you're doing something that really is wrong, who cares what society thinks?

But no, honestly I never really ment that a girl should ask me out. It was more of a general statement.

As for the saying no thing. I only ever bring that up because at least two girls, who I cared alot about gave me answers that led me to believe they'd date me later. And I didn't realize till suddenly they were dating someone else that they had no intention of doing so. Why would someone do that? Especially to someone they claim is their friend? I'd realize this kinda crap right away now, but there are plenty of guys who wouldn't.

That's about all I have to say, because even if I wanted to argue with you, which I don't... I know I'd just end up looking like a fool.

Maybe they just wanted to go to lunch. You can have a lunch or dinner date without actually going on a date date! That even extends to going out and doing fun things like movies. Or they might have just decided you were a dumb snot after getting to know you a little better.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I JUST GOT TOLD!

Ahh but jokes aside I'm glad for your and Sass's insights, because as much as I'd hate to admit, I only seem to have peripheral vision when it comes to seeing the obvious. Perhaps I am the oblivious one. I've taken note and tried to start applying this advice I've been given, but it will take time, and surely more... I mean... I'll need to have a CLEARER observation on things, and not just romantic pursuits either.

Exciting times.

I think we all need to go watch The 40-Year Old Virgin again, and then I scream...

A-HEM

Pussy on the pedestal.

Remember this: pretty girls are pretty girls. They're still flesh and blood and human. If you shoot them then they bleed. Stop treating them like they're some crazy untouchable breed of human and they might, you know, want to know you better, too. If you talk to them, nine times out of ten, they will talk back.

As for the last one tenth that don't want to talk...it ain't over yet. Assuming the ratio of humans is split between bother genders equally, you still have three billion to get through before you are allowed to lose all hope.

Agreed with Encephelon...this is quite the TQP thread now. I was sure there was a thread called 'Nice Guys vs Bad Boys' or something like that in there....

You don't need to be a 'bad boy' to be able to 'read' women, nor are you totally socially inept at interacting with women if you are a 'nice guy'.

It all depends on the kind of relationship you're after. Once you know THAT, you'll know how to be able to talk to women better. The thing I find fuckin hilarious with nerdy young'un nice guys is that when they say they want a girlfriend, they usually mean they wanna fuck a chick, and they try about changing themselves into 'bad boys' to get some pussy.

I know I did. And I know quite a few of my friends who are attempting to do the same thing, and I'm trying to steer them away from it, because it's stupid.

Just be yourself, and not a wannabe sleaze. OMG SHE LOOKED AT ME AND SMILED SHE WANTS TO FUCK ME BAAAAAD *plays world of warcraft furiously*

I'm not the best at interpreting signals, but no one is ever really perfect at human interaction anyway, so the fact that the study is blaming men for misinterpreting women especially when they only surveyed what...280 guys and girls?....is severly underestimating the power of human interaction.