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Kimchi Mar 28, 2006 08:21 PM

Top 5 world's HEALTHIEST meal.
 
Chosen by: (Don't know, I would appreciate if someone post the organization)

1. Greek Yogurt

2. Soy-Bean (Tofu,ect)

3. Kimchi

4. Olive Oil

5.Lentil

JackTheRipper Mar 28, 2006 08:27 PM

You're going to tell me that eating Olive oil is a healthy meal. Sure....

Kimchi Mar 28, 2006 08:30 PM

Use your brain... it ovbiously means using olive oil in your ingredience... and btw, yes drinking olive oil IS good for you. (not a lot.) and Some people takes a piece of one of those LONG bread and dips in to the oil and munches it.

Lee-chan Mar 28, 2006 08:30 PM

You know, Greeks have a lower rate of heart disease than Asians, and they consume more oil than... even Americans, I think. It's because olive oil is very low in saturated fats, so it's very healthy.

Relic Mar 28, 2006 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lee-chan
You know, Greeks have a lower rate of heart disease than Asians, and they consume more oil than... even Americans, I think. It's because olive oil is very low in saturated fats, so it's very healthy.

To be exact, olive oil (and grapeseed and sesame oils, maybe canola oil too IIRC) is made up mainly of monounsaturated fats, which help reduce blood cholesterol levels. It also has antioxidants, which of course help prevent cancer. It's certaintly not the same as eating big blobs of margarine, which is also mostly fat, but is probably the worst thing you can put into your body.

And IIRC, Greeks and Italians have some of the lowest rates of heart disease in the world, in spite of having relatively high-fat diets.

Fjordor Mar 28, 2006 09:51 PM

Just an FYI, there has not been a single clinical study that suggests consuming anti-oxidants is of any significance better than not consuming them.

Radical Mar 29, 2006 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fjordor
Just an FYI, there has not been a single clinical study that suggests consuming anti-oxidants is of any significance better than not consuming them.

What about this?

http://www.prohealth.com/library/sho...le.cfm/ID/360/

elwe Mar 29, 2006 01:39 AM

More on antioxidants-- mainly on blueberries, but oh well.

Anyways, I still don't think I'll be drinking olive oil. I know of a lot of people who actually do that. It works in food, but I can't bring myself to actually drink it. :p

Tofu is pretty good too, although I can't stand the taste of soymilk. The first (and last) time I had it, I gagged and ended up spitting it out.

nazpyro Mar 29, 2006 02:20 AM

The only thing on that list that's ever entered my body is olive oil. Filipinos are doomed.

T0X1Qu3 Mar 29, 2006 05:55 PM

My grandma believes that drinking a tablespoon of olive oil a day is healthy.
I will never try it but I hope it works for her

And as for tofu, which is the only other thing I am familiar with, I for 10 years, was forced to eat it (growing up with an asian step mom). I still don't like it. Tofu burgers though... I'll eat that

Kimchi Mar 29, 2006 06:30 PM

Tofu is alright..... but olive oil is so expensive because it is clean...

Locke Mar 29, 2006 06:49 PM

I don't like the consistence of tofu, and I don't know what greek yogurt or kimchi is, but everything else is yummy :)

Kimchi Mar 29, 2006 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Locke
I don't like the consistence of tofu, and I don't know what greek yogurt or kimchi is, but everything else is yummy :)

Here's a plate of kimchi for you. And personally I don't know greek yogurt either.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...hi_closeup.jpg


http://www.lifeinkorea.com/Images/Kimchi/km011.jpg

Luckee Cookie Mar 29, 2006 08:59 PM

KIMCHI!!!! <3 + tofu = YUMMY :D!

(and the best thing is that it's healthy TOO!)

Hello_Kitty Mar 30, 2006 03:12 AM

why greek yogurt in first position ? I though all ingredients with lactose were more difficult to digest

Kimchi Mar 30, 2006 03:28 AM

Oh, I forgot to tell you guys that the order they are in doesn't mean they are best. None of these are ranked, but top best 5 in the world.

Minion Mar 30, 2006 06:55 AM

The Greeks and Italians seems strangely immune to heart disease because of the kind of fat they consume. Saturated and trans-fats promote heart disease, whereas monounsaturated fats and essential fatty acids (omega-3) reduce the risk of it. It is more because of the amount of fish they eat than the olive oil, although olive oil is the healthiest fat to cook with.

In fact, the fact that this "healthiest meal" doesn't include any sort of fish automatically disqualifies it.

Alice Mar 30, 2006 06:58 AM

Men's Health or one of those magazines published a similar list, but the items on it were different. I can't remember all of the foods, but I remember that olive oil was on the list, and also blueberries, almonds (why, I have no idea) and broccoli.

And yes, fish should definitely be on the list, and I'm not talking about Mrs. Paul's battered and twice-deepfried fish sticks.

Minion Mar 30, 2006 07:04 AM

Nuts are great for fiber. Almonds, Cashews and Walnuts are low in saturated fats and high in good fats.

Broccoli is like, the super food. If you're eating it, you're stupid.

Alice Mar 30, 2006 03:34 PM

I think you meant to say "If you're NOT eating it, you're stupid," right?

Minion Mar 30, 2006 03:35 PM

http://www.forcedshaving.com/wp-cont...mersimpson.jpg


I did write that at 7am. Gimme a break. ;_;

Kimchi Mar 30, 2006 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minion

In fact, the fact that this "healthiest meal" doesn't include any sort of fish automatically disqualifies it.


Tell that to the international organiazation that studies food (who decided it) buddy. Tell it to scientists who studied, yes who studied by cramming hundreds of thousands information in their head.

Minion Mar 30, 2006 04:16 PM

The hell are you talking about, dude? Show me a scientist that disagrees with there being a correlation between eating fish and being healthy.

I've never heard of this "international organization that studies food". Is that their real name?

nabhan Mar 30, 2006 04:25 PM

He's not saying that fish isn't healthy, but it's not as healthy as those foods, I guess.

I think it's kind of funny how Lentils are on that list, I and pretty much every brown person I know eats them daily, yet pretty much all my relatives die before 70.

Lentils won't save us ;_;

Minion Mar 30, 2006 04:29 PM

It is, though. Fish is the best source of Omega-3, an essential fatty-acid. It's been proven to reduce inflamation, fight cancer and reduce cholesterol. Fish are also high in quality protien and various vitamins and minerals. There is also no meat on that list, which is ridiculous. It's not healthy to go entirely without meat. You need to consume several different protiens, some of which you can't find in plants.

SemperFidelis Mar 30, 2006 04:31 PM

Fish can have too much mercury and other contaminants that easily detract from the benefits of eating it.

Minion Mar 30, 2006 04:38 PM

Vegetables can have contaminants, too. Including all of those on that list. Irrelevant.

By the way, the mercury thing is not a serious issue unless you're a pregnant woman.

Kimchi Mar 30, 2006 04:40 PM

@ Minion

Sorry. I never said that fish isn't healthy. Appearntly those 5 things I posted are more healthy then fish.

@ Nabhan

I am pretty sure all Korean eats Kimchi, and Kimchi won't save us either. Nor Dhangzang which is made from soy and was used as an example when the org mentioned "Soy bean" (so was tofu.)

Minion Mar 30, 2006 04:45 PM

There is no "more healthy" food. You need to eat a diet that has a good variety of healthy foods and avoid unhealthy foods. Being a vegetarian, which is what someone following that list exclusively would be, is not healthy. I don't even know what "healthy" mean in this conext of this thread. Those foods alone certainly do not provide you with all the nutrution you should be getting. And broccoli should definitely be on the list.

Kimchi Mar 30, 2006 04:48 PM

No no no no. I think you took my whole topic in wrong way. "They" decided these food from things you can get benifits MOST from single food.

Minion Mar 30, 2006 04:49 PM

Could you post the website?

Kimchi Mar 30, 2006 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minion
Could you post the website?

Care for scanned newspaper?(if I have scanner that is)

Ask Nabhan too he prob saw it lurking around internet.

Minion Mar 30, 2006 04:53 PM

I found these:

http://www.healthcastle.com/best-healthiest-foods.shtml

http://www.bellybytes.com/articles/29foods.shtml

Both mention fish.

Kimchi Mar 30, 2006 04:54 PM

Is this from THIS year THIS month? I don't think so. And the first site didn't mention ANYTHING about olive oil nor yogurt. OR kimchi.

EDIT: No shit they mentioned fish. The site you gave out has freaking meat included. Is there just meal called "fish" ? I don't think so.

Minion Mar 30, 2006 04:56 PM

Well, don't take everything the news says as Gospel truth. Especially when it comes to science and health. Ask any nutrition expert if they would rank fish as one of the top 5 foods. I would be shocked if anyone said no.

Kimchi Mar 30, 2006 04:57 PM

Read the topic name. MEAL not food. And jebus, I don't know why I am arguing when I read this hundres of times on koreatimes.com chosun.com. Go there and look for it. Iam not going to waste my time trying to prove I am right. (Because they clear their articles every day or so.)

Calculusaurus Mar 30, 2006 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minion
It is, though. Fish is the best source of Omega-3, an essential fatty-acid. It's been proven to reduce inflamation, fight cancer and reduce cholesterol. Fish are also high in quality protien and various vitamins and minerals. There is also no meat on that list, which is ridiculous. It's not healthy to go entirely without meat. You need to consume several different protiens, some of which you can't find in plants.

I'm pretty sure that you can get all your amino acids from plants. Protein is a relatively easy nutrient to get enough of in a typical diet.

Fish are healthy because our body can't produce omega-3's, so we need to directly consume them; fish are high in those fats--or something like that.

It's a good thing to eat fish like twice a week. There is no need to eat more. Still, fatty fish like salmon are definitely healthy for you.

And on an end note,
I'm not surprised that tofu is on the list, but I'm surprised broccoli isn't.

Iwata Mar 30, 2006 05:56 PM

I think minion is the only one who knows what is going on.every health expert i have run into, they stressed fish as an essential " healthy food".

Plus the only people i have ever run into that are still chainsmoking an goin strong at the age of 80-90 are the japanese people who live soley a diet of fish and tofu daily.

IMO any list that want's to be crediable in regards to " healthy food", they need to include some form of fish.

YO PITTSBURGH MIKE HERE Mar 30, 2006 10:31 PM

What is this kimchi shit.

Iwata Mar 30, 2006 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capo
What is this kimchi shit.

fermented cabbage. I don't care for it, but then again i've never met a korean who could tolerate natto.

Calculusaurus Mar 31, 2006 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iwata
I think minion is the only one who knows what is going on.every health expert i have run into, they stressed fish as an essential " healthy food".

Plus the only people i have ever run into that are still chainsmoking an goin strong at the age of 80-90 are the japanese people who live soley a diet of fish and tofu daily.

IMO any list that want's to be crediable in regards to " healthy food", they need to include some form of fish.

I think Iwata is the only one who doesn't know what is going on.

Double Post:
Because everybody knows that the cure to the death-wish habit of smoking is fish, tofu, and being Japanese.

Japanese people got everything right. Let's watch anime.

Kimchi Mar 31, 2006 03:11 AM

Yes Japanese got everything right alright.

Here and Most bottom, Here again

Chibi Neko Mar 31, 2006 04:19 AM

Olive oil for a meal? I use it for my hair! (I have frizzy curly hair, it really works!)

Iwata Mar 31, 2006 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calculusaurus
I think Iwata is the only one who doesn't know what is going on.

Double Post:
Because everybody knows that the cure to the death-wish habit of smoking is fish, tofu, and being Japanese.

Japanese people got everything right. Let's watch anime.

I grew in japan, jackass. I don't watch nor like anime either. so shut the fuck up before you assume shit. Go back to your sheet music wankery.

Will Mar 31, 2006 04:31 PM

According to T-Nation:

1. Broccoli
2. Wild Salmon
3. Grass-Fed Beef
4. Walnuts
5. Olive Oil
6. Blueberries
7. Flax seeds
8. Pumpkin
9. Spinach
10. Tomato
11. Turkey breast
12. Yogurt
13. Shitake Mushrooms

I consume about half of these on a daily basis. I'm not a fan of the last two (don't like the consistency of yogurt but I haven't actually tried mushrooms lately).

And for the record, plants have shitty amino acid profiles. If you want it all, you've gotta balance plant protein with animal protein.

Kimchi Mar 31, 2006 04:44 PM

Heh, I searched "top 5 healthiest food" and list like yours came up. (Not the kind I have been looking for. But I am not saying it isn't healthy or anything... but it is not the one that was announced internationaly.)

Minion Mar 31, 2006 06:02 PM

You keep saying "internationally" but your list sounds incredibly Asia-centric.

Kimchi Mar 31, 2006 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minion
You keep saying "internationally" but your list sounds incredibly Asia-centric.

Been to Here , here and here?

I am sure India, Spain, Greece is Asia.

Quote:

World's Healthiest Foods: Olive Oil (Spain)
by Joan Raymond

Antioxidant-rich olive oil protects against heart disease.

“We start with olive oil as babies,” says Antonio Diaz, a native of Spain and owner of tapas restaurant Costa del Sol in New York. Olive oil is mandatory at every meal in a typical Spanish home, and for good reason: The country makes more than 40 percent of the world’s supply, although until recently the majority was sold and packaged outside its borders (the Italian olive oil you’re using might actually be from Spain). Spanish olive oil producers are now labeling their own brands, and making a name for themselves as the source for top-quality oil. And with more than 262 different olive varieties (24 of which are used for oil), Spanish oils are more diverse than those from other countries.

Why to try it: Antioxidant-rich olive oil protects against heart disease by controlling LDL, or bad, cholesterol levels while raising HDL, or good, cholesterol. In fact, it’s such a health boon that the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) lets olive oil producers put a heart-health claim on their labels. (It’s one of a handful of foods to get that blessing.) But new research shows olive oil may be more than just good for your ticker. Scientists from Philadelphia’s Monell Chemical Senses Center discovered that olive oil has a compound with the same structure as ibuprofen, the widely used anti-inflammatory painkiller in Advil and Motrin. That means olive oil may offer the same benefits as low doses of the drug, including reduced risk of heart attack, stroke, some cancers, and even Alzheimer’s disease. It also may help fight breast and colon cancers.

What to do with it: Light and aromatic, Spanish olive oil is easy to find at your local grocery store or online at Tienda.com for about $10 to $20 per 17-ounce bottle. Dunk whole-grain bread in olive oil, or drizzle over grilled vegetables. Or try our Shrimp With Garlic in Olive Oil recipe.


World's Healthiest Foods: Soy (Japan)
by Joan Raymond

Protein-packed soy is linked to the prevention of cancer and osteoporosis.

A typical Japanese eats soy for breakfast. And lunch. And dinner. “We eat tofu every day,” says Mamie Nishide, a cooking instructor and recipe developer who’s a native of Nara, Japan. Soybeans, first grown in tropical Asia thousands of years ago, are used in everything in Japan from soy sauce (as ubiquitous as ketchup) to vegetable oil, tofu, and the fermented soybean paste called miso. Japanese eat more soybeans than anyone else, and the long-lived Okinawans top the list at about 60 to 120 grams per person each day, compared with practically zero grams for the average American.

Why to try it: Protein-packed soy is high in isoflavones, estrogen-like substances linked to the prevention of cancer and osteoporosis. But its biggest draw may be the dozens of studies showing soy is good for your heart; the FDA even allows certain soy products (with at least 6.25 grams of soy protein per serving) to have a heart-healthy claim on their labels. Plus, some studies have shown that a diet rich in soy can reduce breast-cancer risk. Asian women, for example, have a much lower incidence of the disease compared with their Western counterparts. But other studies suggest that high levels of soy might actually increase breast-cancer risk in women who live in the United States, especially among those with a family history of the disease. (If you have a history of breast cancer or a high incidence in your family, talk to your doctor about how much soy is safe.)

What to do with it: Use cooked soybeans instead of garbanzo beans in your next batch of hummus, and add frozen edamame (whole soybeans) to stir-fries. Tofu typically comes in 1-pound blocks for about $1.99 at grocery and health-food stores.


World's Healthiest Foods: Yogurt (Greece)
by Joan Raymond

Among yogurt's benefits: enhanced immunity, improved lactose intolerance, and stronger bones.

Many think of yogurt as just a sweet snack. But the thick, creamy, rich kind that’s traditional in Greece has been integral to Grecians’ healthy diet for thousands of years. “We have a custom that before a couple goes on their honey-moon, they eat yogurt with honey and walnuts for prosperity and energy,” says Antonios Maridakis, president of Fage USA, importer of Greece’s biggest yogurt brand. “A lot of us believe that yogurt is an aphrodisiac.”

Why to try it: Yogurt promotes intestinal and vaginal health, improves lactose intolerance, builds stronger bones, enhances immunity, lowers blood pressure, and may even have anticancer and weight-loss effects. In a recent study in the International Journal of Obesity, researchers found that obese adults who ate 3 servings of fat-free yogurt a day as part of a reduced-calorie diet lost 22 percent more weight and 61 percent more body fat than those who just cut calories. A plus for Greek yogurt, in particular, is that it doesn’t give you the sugar overload of what you usually find in U.S. grocery stores. To save on fat and calories, reach for a low-fat version.

What to do with it: Look for Fage Total yogurt at specialty food stores, Whole Foods Market, Wild Oats, and Trader Joe’s. A 5-ounce container costs $1.89. Try it with a drizzle of honey and a handful of walnuts or almonds. Or use Greek yogurt in our delicious Grilled Eggplant and Yogurt Dip.


World's Healthiest Foods: Lentils (India)
by Joan Raymond

Lentils give you protein, cholesterol-lowering soluble fiber, and lots of iron.

Lentils are to India as meatloaf is to America: the quintessential comfort food. Ranging from yellow and red to deep black, these tiny disc-shaped members of the legume family are eaten in some form at least twice a day in “any self-respecting Indian household,” says Kavita Mehta, founder of the Web-based Indian Foods Co. In fact, India is the world’s biggest producer and consumer of lentils. Known as dal, lentils typically are served at every meal with steamed rice or bread.

Why to try them: This “superfood” gives you protein and cholesterol-lowering soluble fiber, as well as about twice as much iron as other legumes. And lentils are higher in most B vitamins and folate, which is especially important for women of childbearing age because folate reduces the risk of birth defects. Plus, U.S. Department of Agriculture researchers discovered that the pigment in Beluga black lentils acts like an antioxidant and helps protect against heart disease, cancer, and the aging process in general. Not too shabby for something the size of a pencil eraser.

What to do with them: Lentils can be stored a long time, are easy to make, and are one of the cheapest protein sources going, at just 75 cents per pound at grocery stores. And unlike other legumes, you don’t have to soak them before cooking. Just rinse them in cold water and simmer in water or broth. Enjoy them plain or spiced with herbs, onions, or garlic.


World's Healthiest Foods: Kimchi (Korea)
by Joan Raymond

Loaded with key vitamins, kimchi contains healthy bacteria that aids digestion.

Koreans eat so much of this super-spicy condiment (40 pounds of it per person each year) that natives say “kimchi” instead of “cheese” when getting their pictures taken. The reddish fermented cabbage (and sometimes radish) dish—made with a mix of garlic, salt, vinegar, chile peppers, and other spices—is served at every meal, either alone or mixed with rice or noodles. And it’s part of a high-fiber, low-fat diet that has kept obesity at bay in Korea. Kimchi also is used in everything from soups to pancakes, and as a topping on pizza and burgers.

Why to try it: Kimchi (or kimchee) is loaded with vitamins A, B, and C, but its biggest benefit may be in its “healthy bacteria” called lactobacilli, found in fermented foods like kimchi and yogurt. This good bacteria helps with digestion, plus it seems to help stop and even prevent yeast infections, according to a recent study. And more good news: Some studies show fermented cabbage has compounds that may prevent the growth of cancer.

What to do with it: There’s no need to make your own; just pick it up in the refrigerated section of your grocery store or an Asian market for around $4 per 32-ounce jar (Sunja’s is one popular brand). You can wake up your morning by scrambling eggs with kimchi, diced tomatoes, and mushrooms. Use it as a wrap filling or to top a baked potato. Or try Spicy Beef and Kimchi Stew, which won our test kitchen’s top rating.

Minion Mar 31, 2006 06:19 PM

Okay, why isn't garlic on the list? Garlic is insanely healthy. It's gotta be better than at least one of those things.

Kimchi Mar 31, 2006 06:20 PM

What benifits do you get? List all things with facts not bullshits.

Minion Mar 31, 2006 06:31 PM

http://www.drweil.com/u/Article/A121/

http://www.garlic-central.com/garlic-health.html

http://www.garlic-central.com/allicin.html

Kimchi Mar 31, 2006 06:39 PM

Bullshit, no information how that bullshit is better then things I posted. Stop posting, you are just wasting perfectly good spaces on my thread.

Minion Mar 31, 2006 06:45 PM

Hah, okay dude. What kind of information were you looking for? Did you notice that the guy in that first link is an M.D. who graduated from Harvard medical school and was on the cover of Time magazine a few months ago?

Kimchi Mar 31, 2006 06:49 PM

Hah, stop avoding my facts.

Minion Mar 31, 2006 07:17 PM

You are quite the character.

Kalamiäs Apr 1, 2006 07:39 AM

Why on earth is yogurt so überhealthy? Soured milk is the king! Atleast according to Fineli: http://www.fineli.fi/index.php?lang=en

Kimchi Apr 1, 2006 08:28 AM

Go to hell. You prob didn't read all of my things I posted including fucking links.

Blackbord Apr 1, 2006 08:32 AM

Holy snap. This is probably the nastiest food thread ever. :sick:

Alice Apr 1, 2006 09:40 AM

What's nasty, except kimchee? All of the foods listed here are pretty delicious, if you ask me.

SemperFidelis Apr 1, 2006 11:57 AM

You two have to stop arguing about which food is healthier. The truth is that all those foods you both listed are excellent for a rich and varied diet.

BlueMikey Apr 1, 2006 12:15 PM

My fiancee is a med school student here at Arizona and she will be taking a rotation next year in Dr. Weil's Integrative Medicine Clinic. According to her, Dr. Weil's next book will say that there are only certain types of fishes you can eat anymore because studies are saying that too many types of fish anymore are contaminated. But that if you want to be as healthy as possible, a meal of fish and broccoli is the way to go.

He also recommends toasted sesame oil over olive.

Hello_Kitty Apr 1, 2006 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taegueki
Bullshit, no information how that bullshit is better then things I posted. Stop posting, you are just wasting perfectly good spaces on my thread.

although i don't deny the 5 meals are good for health, the links you posted are nowhere certified by any scientific study so they're just articles on health.com or whatever random health website

or i didn't find the study certification on the pages

Minion Apr 1, 2006 09:43 PM

Quote:

He also recommends toasted sesame oil over olive.
I think he recommends it as an alternative, but not necessary as something better.

Dr. Weil is one of my heros. I've read as much of his stuff as I can get my hands on and he's my primary source for health and nutrition info. Hopefully people will start listening to him.

BlueMikey Apr 2, 2006 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by http://www.drweil.com/u/Page/Pantry/
Oils
Toasted-sesame oil and olive oil are essential for sautéing and adding flavor and texture to a dish. Grapeseed and walnut oil are optional but good to have for salad dressings and for sautéing, particularly grapeseed because of its high smoke threshold. Note that we always call for toasted-sesame oil, which is the Asian variety but it is readily available these days in supermarkets. Store oils in a cool, dark place and don't buy more than you can use up in a month or so.

So, not really a reason for it? I dunno, I have only read one of his books and it wasn't really about this stuff. I'm planning to work on eating more like he recommends in his books. Seems like a very positive direction over anything else.

Minion Apr 2, 2006 12:42 AM

The funny thing is that in his recipes (the ones I've read) and all his other articles, he always mentions olive oil. Maybe he recently changed his mind.

His latest book covers basically his entire philosophy. Half of the book is spent on explaining exactly why we die, which is a nice wake up call for the overindulgent types and smokers whose mantra is "you're gonna die anyway." It's more about the quality of life and what he called "compression of morbidity." Basically, the idea is to be perfectly functional until your 90 something and then get sick and die in about a week.


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