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Thalin Mar 21, 2008 10:28 AM

The Happening
 
So I saw a trailer for this at the cinema yesterday, and thought it looked quite good. Thing is, the trailer talks about some 'bad event' happening, but dosn't actually say what. Anyone know any more about this movie?

Here's the trailer - Apple - Trailers - The Happening

I quite like Shyamalan's films, so i'll be sure to go see this!

Philia Mar 21, 2008 10:43 AM

Here, let me save some trouble and post this link with such invaluable opinions made by one of our few resident film makers!

Epic explanatory entry by Sprouticus

tl;dr? It will SUCK! But what do we know, we haven't seen it yet! Still, its a good read in the commentary anyway.

Angel of Light Mar 21, 2008 08:29 PM

I've seen the trailer for it, and yeah it has caught my interest but not because M. Night Shyamalan is making it, I'm just a fan of any kind of post apocalyptic style movie or anything like that.

I haven't seen any of his movies pass Signs, though I did enjoy The Sixth Sense and I absolutely enjoyed Unbreakable. One of my personal favourites.

I kind of get the feeling when I eventually go see this movie, it'll be good for the first 80%-90% and then during the last few minutes of the movie it'll probably throw out some random unexpected twist that will utterly ruin the movie experience for me.

I'll have to wait and see when the movie comes out.

NovaX Mar 23, 2008 08:38 AM

Anything M Night Shyamalan just sends off huge WARNING sirens in my head these days.

Grail Mar 24, 2008 01:49 PM

Was anyone other than me extremely pissed when I found out that this movie WASN'T going to be about killer bee attacks?

Dopefish Jun 14, 2008 12:58 AM

Bees had something to do with the movie, but not what you'd expect. (See Colony Collapse Disorder.)

Danielle, Sarah and I saw this film tonight and we're horribly confused by it. We aren't quite sure if it is actually a horror-suspense film or a subtle dark comedy, and that's not a good thing. I'd elaborate more if it weren't 1 AM but I have to say that was either the worst $10.25 I've ever spent to see a movie or the unintentionally best. Everything about the movie was horrible except the story, but even that wasn't executed well enough to merit much regard. Even then, for a movie that is marketed as a horror-suspense film, I wasn't expecting so much comedy. I also wasn't expecting so much bad acting. Mark Wahlberg and Zooey Deschanel demonstrated fully that they don't belong in the A-list...either that, or Shyamalan is just that bad a director.

I wouldn't recommend anyone see this with a straight face and even the lowest of expectations. It has scary moments, it has suspenseful moments, but if you go with a crowd you will end up laughing more than anything else. In all honesty, taken at face value, this has to be the worst movie I've ever seen...and I've seen Rockadoodle.

3/10 (for at least getting me to laugh a little, sit through the movie, and think about whether it was intentionally supposed to be a comedy)

No. Hard Pass. Jun 14, 2008 01:08 AM

Saw it, and man. It sucked. Horribly. Not much more to say.

WolfDemon Jun 14, 2008 03:26 PM

Anyone care to post the awful TWEEST in spoiler tags? Or without them. I don't really care.

guyinrubbersuit Jun 14, 2008 04:10 PM

I was severely disappointed and upset with the movie. The story uses some pseudo scientific explanation for the phenomenon which just falls absolutely short. The acting was very stiff and virtually emotionless and the way people acted when 'diseased' was completely unbelievable. Granted some things were a bit creepy, like several people hanging from the tree tops or people falling. But beyond that the story ended conveniently enough and left it open for a sequel, which I hope doesn't come to fruition.

I honestly wished for a twist ending for the movie. It probably would've benefited. from it. A complete waste of time and I wish I had seen the Incredible Hulk instead.

Rotorblade Jun 14, 2008 04:12 PM

M. Night what's his name should have been a good tipoff as to how this movie was going to go. It's kind of like ignoring a "bridge out ahead" sign while driving.

avanent Jun 16, 2008 03:00 PM

M.Night makes a certain sort of movie. If you like his movies, youll like this movie. If you dont like his movies, you wont like it. It isn't rocket science.

It is effectively like coming out of a fancy restaurant and complaining you didn't like the escargot, despite the fact that you never like escargot.

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WolfDemon
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he didnt go so much for the big twist this time. We are led to believe that the happening is caused by a neurotransmitter released by plants, causing disorientation and a lack of self preservation in humans. Its reminds me very much of the effect of Cordyceps on ants, or the effect of a certain type of parasitic flatworm on snails.

guyinrubbersuit Jun 16, 2008 07:15 PM

So I like some of his movies and dislike some of his other movies. What was I supposed to expect there? Technically I liked three movies and disliked one. I never saw Lady in the Water.

avanent Jun 16, 2008 09:18 PM

my comment wasnt targeted at any one in specific.

I poked it and it made a sad sound Jun 16, 2008 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by avanent (Post 616980)
M.Night makes a certain sort of movie. If you like his movies, youll like this movie. If you dont like his movies, you wont like it. It isn't rocket science.

It is effectively like coming out of a fancy restaurant and complaining you didn't like the escargot, despite the fact that you never like escargot.

O jesus, this is rich.

I liked a lot of his movies, and I am not ashamed to admit it. I loved Signs and The Village (much to the dismay of the film gurus)

M. Night is an arrogant ass, and this movie (particularly following the train wreck that was Lady in the Water) was so incredibly laughable, no one can even begin to take him seriously.

Even if there is some kind of dark, B-movie comedy going on intentionally, he even executed that poorly.

I don't understand M. Night fanboys, I really really don't.


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he didnt go so much for the big twist this time. We are led to believe that the happening is caused by a neurotransmitter released by plants, causing disorientation and a lack of self preservation in humans. Its reminds me very much of the effect of Cordyceps on ants, or the effect of a certain type of parasitic flatworm on snails.

Spoiler:
There was no twist. The storyline was transparent the entire time. WOOSH WOOSH WIND TREES O NO. You could get the "twist" in the first 5 minutes of the film.

I think the intended twist was the genre of the movie, no joke.

Magus-Cie Jun 16, 2008 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dopefish (Post 616258)

I wouldn't recommend anyone see this with a straight face and even the lowest of expectations. It has scary moments, it has suspenseful moments, but if you go with a crowd you will end up laughing more than anything else. In all honesty, taken at face value, this has to be the worst movie I've ever seen...and I've seen Rockadoodle.

Sir....the question is have you seen Shark Attack 3: Megalodon or The Man Who Saved The World (aka Turkish Star Wars)?

Truly the worst two movies I have ever seen.

Misogynyst Gynecologist Jun 16, 2008 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassafrass (Post 617102)
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I think the intended twist was the genre of the movie, no joke.

Spoiler:
The twist is that there wasn't a twist ending


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Originally Posted by Magus-Cie (Post 617110)
Truly the worst two movies I have ever seen.

Eh, everyone on the internet says this at some point. Its like peope bringing up Manos: The Hands Of Fate back in 1997. Its a stupid posturing thing that by naming the worst movie currently known on the internet, you attempt to trump the arguement.

I can name a list of major Hollywood movies that are a LOT worse than anything in this thread.

avanent Jun 17, 2008 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Sassafrass (Post 617102)
stuff

my absolute favorite person. Sass sass sass. You with all your assumptions and stuff.

If you like some of his movies, and dislike some of his movies, then you might like or dislike this one.
if you are a fan of his, then you will probably like this movie.
if you arent a fan of his, then you probably wont.

there are plenty of people out there, who will watch every movie by a director or a writer, and complain how they didnt like any of them; which begs the question... why do you keep watching them.

now, continue with all your assumptions. it is the very height of the reason why i never stay for more than a few posts at a time. Everything has to be aggressive, and an assumption, and a personal attack. Gotta love bigotry, and based on an assumption no less. Fantastic, can it be better?

if youll notice, i didnt even give my personal opinion of M.Night's latest 'work'. Nor did i give any defense for any opinion either way, except stating the obvious which many movie goers don't seem to get. This doesnt stop you from assuming, does it? Go on, assume away, it does seem what you like to do.

Btw, I think escargot is terrible. It's flavor reminds me of when I chewed through a ball-point pen by accident.

The unmovable stubborn Jun 17, 2008 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by avanent (Post 617145)
it is the very height of the reason why i never stay for more than a few posts at a time

So are you getting close to your quota pretty soon

Will Jun 17, 2008 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dopefish (Post 616258)
Danielle, Sarah and I saw this film tonight and we're horribly confused by it. We aren't quite sure if it is actually a horror-suspense film or a subtle dark comedy, and that's not a good thing. I'd elaborate more if it weren't 1 AM but I have to say that was either the worst $10.25 I've ever spent to see a movie or the unintentionally best. Everything about the movie was horrible except the story, but even that wasn't executed well enough to merit much regard. Even then, for a movie that is marketed as a horror-suspense film, I wasn't expecting so much comedy. I also wasn't expecting so much bad acting.

Funny, this is the same way I felt about Indiana Jones. I'm still convinced that it was intended to parody itself.

No. Hard Pass. Jun 17, 2008 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Will (Post 617151)
Funny, this is the same way I felt about Indiana Jones. I'm still convinced that it was intended to parody itself.

As opposed to the other Indiana Jones movies, which took themselves seriously and weren't a tongue in cheek homage to a genre?

Krelian Jun 17, 2008 05:49 AM

I knew this was going to be the worst fucking movie of the year as soon as I saw the trailer. With memorable-for-all-the-wrong-reasons lines like "WE'VE LOST CONTACT" / "WITH WHOM?" / "EVERYBODY," and "THERE APPEARS TO BE AN EVENT HAPPENING," I'm surprised it's not subject to more online piss-taking than it already is.

M. Night Shalamanalayan is such a fucking tosspot. The fact that everything he directs hinges on one huge twist that everyone knows about within days of release means that people don't have a reason to watch his slow-motion backwards trainwrecks of films (among other reasons, of course).

No. Hard Pass. Jun 17, 2008 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by KrelEN (Post 617183)
I knew this was going to be the worst fucking movie of the year as soon as I saw the trailer. With memorable-for-all-the-wrong-reasons lines like "WE'VE LOST CONTACT" / "WITH WHOM?" / "EVERYBODY," and "THERE APPEARS TO BE AN EVENT HAPPENING," I'm surprised it's not subject to more online piss-taking than it already is.

Pointing out that M. Night is a shitty filmmaker isn't really, you know, fun. Taking the piss out of something should at least be entertaining. But everybody already knows he's awful. It's a given. You know it going in. It's a matter of how it's going to suck. What specific bullshit plot is he going to reach for. Now, The Happening is so dull and uninteresting that it just isn't really worth talking about. It's been a few flicks. M. Night has even lost his ability to make mocking him fun.

It's like poking fun at Goldfish for his shitty taste in music. It's not fun anymore. The guy is just tedious.

I poked it and it made a sad sound Jun 17, 2008 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by avanent (Post 617145)
my absolute favorite person. Sass sass sass. You with all your assumptions and stuff.

If you like some of his movies, and dislike some of his movies, then you might like or dislike this one.
if you are a fan of his, then you will probably like this movie.
if you arent a fan of his, then you probably wont.

there are plenty of people out there, who will watch every movie by a director or a writer, and complain how they didnt like any of them; which begs the question... why do you keep watching them.

See, maybe I'm ignorant or something, who knows, but I usually watch movies for entertainment purposes.

Which doesn't mean I lock myself into "SO-AND-SO DID IT, SO IT MUST BE GOOD!" I'm not a fan girl. I don't judge what I will and won't like based on some arrogant prick who thinks his movies are a godsend. I don't pledge allegiance to any one film producer. There is NO director in my opinion who has a PERFECT track record. You have hits, you have misses.

And I think your gross generalizations are pretty much what I am calling into question.

Like I said,, if you possessed any kind of reading comprehension whatsoever, you'd see that M. Night in my opinion has made some fairly decent films which I enjoyed! That doesn't mean I will be a loyal "fan" just because I liked some of his movies. That's blind, that's not enjoyable, and that's fucking stupid.

So it's not that I can't stand anything he does! It's not that I keep watching, expecting a train wreck! I spent $10.25 to see this movie! Do you think I would do that if I KNEW it would be awful? ((In retrospect, I really should have figured this one out. But post-apocalypse shit cause me to temporarily go batty)

I was hopeful, but skeptical. I know that a lot of people absolutely loathed The Village for some nefarious reasons, and I can't trust the opinions of others when it comes to enjoying a film. This is why I gave The Happening dollars. I also gave Lady in the Water dollars. I think this is where the whole "fool me once, shame on you - fool me twice, shame on me" comes in.

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now, continue with all your assumptions. it is the very height of the reason why i never stay for more than a few posts at a time. Everything has to be aggressive, and an assumption, and a personal attack. Gotta love bigotry, and based on an assumption no less. Fantastic, can it be better?
Yes, we're all bigots because we don't like a shitty movie. How insightful of you.

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f youll notice, i didnt even give my personal opinion of M.Night's latest 'work'. Nor did i give any defense for any opinion either way, except stating the obvious which many movie goers don't seem to get. This doesnt stop you from assuming, does it? Go on, assume away, it does seem what you like to do.
More butthurt, please. I'm not seeing enough from you.

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Btw, I think escargot is terrible. It's flavor reminds me of when I chewed through a ball-point pen by accident.
Yea, that really doesn't justify your stupid analogy which made your bias incredibly clear. Or maybe you just don't understand analogies?

Thalin Jun 17, 2008 11:04 AM

Calculus... Calculus...

This film was awful...

Calculus... Calculus...

avanent Jun 17, 2008 02:30 PM

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Sass:
Stuff
Your jumping to conclusions, assumptions, and taking absolutely everything personal again. This sort of thing makes you very unpleasant to carry out any sort of communication with.

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If you like some of his movies, and dislike some of his movies, then you might like or dislike this one.
If a director continues to disappoint me, I dont keep seeing their movies. For movies, people seem to to think differently.

For me, I find the mass majority of speilberg's work overrated. I dont see a movie directed by him, unless it looks really really good to me. In most movies, I find his directing to be the height of directing just like everyone else. He has directed a few movies very well, but typically, I dont care for his style. I know he has the ability, but the he normally chooses to direct in a way I find massively over rated. But thats my opinion, and I know everyone has their own opinions, and thats fine. My opinion helps me not feel dissatisfied by spending my night and my money on movies I generally will not be impressed by.

Look at Krel's posts. He says that he knew it was going to be bad, and it sounds like he doesnt like M.Night, or the movies he makes in general. So, why did he go see the movie? And why is he so upset about something he knew was going to suck.

I'm going to stab myself, right now, and I know its going to hurt.
It really hurt, now I'm pissed off.

I hate this author, I'm going to read his book, I bet its going to suck.
It sucked, I'm angry.

Like every other episode I've watched, I found spongebob today a total waste of my time. I'm angry.

In any example, you can come up, doesn't seem to make sense, unless perhaps its an obligation, but seeing a movie isn't an obligation. If you know your not going to like it, why subject yourself to it? And then, you get pissed off because you knew you weren't going to like it? Of course, this doesnt apply to you, since you were in the same boat I was going in. I was merely pointing it out because so many people seem to miss the fact.

For your information, I too, like some of his movies, and dislike some of his movies. So, I saw it, knowing I might or might not like it. If I didn't like any of his work, I wouldn't have bothered seeing it. This movie entertained me, but I did not feel it was a strong movie, I think he could of done much better.

As for my analogy, I was under the impression that most people dislike escargot. Ive always considered it an acquired taste. I used this for the analogy since most the complaints i've heard about the movie start off with 'M.Night sucks, all his movies suck, I knew this was going to suck.' This sort of argument makes no sense to me. Just like, if someone were to continually order escargot, despite never liking it, wouldn't make any sense to me either. Using this example, didnt give my opinion on neither snails nor M.night. You chose to jump for a conclusion all by yourself. Other times i've used that analogy, people have jumped to other conclusion as well, that I disliked the subject I was talking about.

Itd be nice if you could communicate with less assumptions and in a more civil manner.

The unmovable stubborn Jun 17, 2008 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by avanent (Post 617289)
and taking absolutely everything personal again.

I don't think she's taking it personally.

If she were taking it personally she would send you a whiny PM about how she doesn't like your posts, something like that.

I poked it and it made a sad sound Jun 17, 2008 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by avanent (Post 617289)
words

I don't think you know what "taking it personally" means. Maybe you should go back and re-read what you've written, avanent. You will find the definition within!

Additionally, where's my PM, avanent? How come Pang gets one and I don't?

My heart. It is broken.

The unmovable stubborn Jun 17, 2008 02:44 PM

Here, if you have an Avanent, and I have an Avanent, and I have a malicious jibe. There it is, that's a joke, you see? You watching? And my jibe reeeeeeeaches across the internet and starts to insult your Avanent!


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Originally Posted by Sassafrass (Post 617291)
I don't think you know what "taking it personally" means. Maybe you should go back and re-read what you've written, avanent. You will find the definition within!

You can't has catch an Avanent with the NO U technique, it's not very effective!

Wall Feces Jun 17, 2008 02:51 PM

I

DRINK

YOUR

AVANENT!

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avanent Jun 17, 2008 02:51 PM

become defensive and uncivilized in communication, is a flag for someone taking things personally. Of course, maybe its just Sass's personality, I was never sure which.

I sent Pang a PM instead of replying, because I felt it had nothing to do with the thread. Your replies at least had relevance to the topic. If pang wanted to talk about something irrelevant, PMs should be the place for it, since it doesnt have relevance. Its out of respect for the other readers. Apparently, thats not a universal quality. I find these most recent posts rude toward the original post, and those interested in it.

And now, here we are, talking about stuff that is completely irrelevant.

By the way, I dont get offended by people I dont know and who dont know me. Your opinion of me, in the long run is completely irrelevant. What you think of me does not have an effect on my life, so honestly, I really don't care what you think of me. However, I dont use this as an excuse to conduct myself like an ass. I think communication should be conducted properly and civilly, even if not everyone agrees with me on that. Once again, I see that civil behavior is not upheld at GFF, which is disappointing, as it wasnt always this way.

This is a topic about 'the happening', not your dislike for me.

The unmovable stubborn Jun 17, 2008 02:55 PM

Oh no my friend

This topic is now about you

That is

THE SUDDEN AND UNFORESEEN PLOT TWIST

I poked it and it made a sad sound Jun 17, 2008 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by avanent (Post 617294)
become defensive and uncivilized in communication, is a flag for someone taking things personally. Of course, maybe its just Sass's personality, I was never sure which.

I'm curious. What's your definition of "civilized?"

At no point in time did I become uncivil with you.

See, that's the point. You're a whiny prat. No one likes a whiny prat!

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And now, here we are, talking about stuff that is completely irrelevant.
You only have yourself to blame~

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By the way, I dont get offended by people I dont know and who dont know me. Your opinion of me, in the long run is completely irrelevant. What you think of me does not have an effect on my life, so honestly, I really don't care what you think of me. However, I dont use this as an excuse to conduct myself like an ass. I think communication should be conducted properly and civilly, even if not everyone agrees with me on that. Once again, I see that civil behavior is not upheld at GFF, which is disappointing, as it wasnt always this way.

This is a topic about 'the happening', not your dislike for me.
HAY GUYS, PLEASE STOP PICKING ON ME WHEN I SAY STUPID THINGS.

I love this "GFF used to be so much nicer" card, though. You're a riot, Avanent.

The unmovable stubborn Jun 17, 2008 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by avanent (Post 617294)
uncivilized in communication

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avanent Jun 17, 2008 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassafrass
O jesus, this is rich.

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Originally Posted by Sassafrass
I don't understand M. Night fanboys, I really really don't.

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Originally Posted by Sassafrass
Like I said,, if you possessed any kind of reading comprehension whatsoever, you'd see that M. Night in my opinion has made some fairly decent films which I enjoyed! That doesn't mean I will be a loyal "fan" just because I liked some of his movies. That's blind, that's not enjoyable, and that's fucking stupid.

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Originally Posted by Sassafrass
More butthurt, please. I'm not seeing enough from you.

Yea, that really doesn't justify your stupid analogy which made your bias incredibly clear. Or maybe you just don't understand analogies?

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Originally Posted by Sassafrass
I don't think you know what "taking it personally" means. Maybe you should go back and re-read what you've written, avanent. You will find the definition within!

Additionally, where's my PM, avanent? How come Pang gets one and I don't?

My heart. It is broken.

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Originally Posted by Sassafrass (Post 617298)
See, that's the point. You're a whiny prat. No one likes a whiny prat!

You only have yourself to blame~

HAY GUYS, PLEASE STOP PICKING ON ME WHEN I SAY STUPID THINGS.

I love this "GFF used to be so much nicer" card, though. You're a riot, Avanent.

This is considered civilized behavior here?

map car man words telling me to do things Jun 17, 2008 03:13 PM

It's not as if sass has ever been civilized. What's the problem?

avanent Jun 17, 2008 03:15 PM

That would the problem qwarky. Same for pang really. Although, this is new for sprout since I was last here. I didn't realize he decided to follow suit.

The unmovable stubborn Jun 17, 2008 03:17 PM

Avanent, you have a distinctly confused outlook on the situation. You are being trampled by a herd of buffalo and you are attempting to forestall it by complaining that there is a lack of adherence to the Queensberry Rules. There is no referee! You are appealing to nothing.

avanent Jun 17, 2008 03:19 PM

ah, so thats the problem. Didnt realize this was a place of buffalo.

We should make a new banner for gff, it can say 'welcome to buffalo town', that way I wont get confused in the future.

I poked it and it made a sad sound Jun 17, 2008 03:23 PM

How about a spot of tea, avanent.

Let us discuss your feelings about how MEAN people are here at GFF for disagreeing with you over tea and crumpets.

Lord Styphon Jun 17, 2008 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by avanent (Post 617307)
We should make a new banner for gff, it can say 'welcome to buffalo town', that way I wont get confused in the future.

http://www.hertelhardware.com/web/si...alo-seal_0.jpg
Approves.

Paco Jun 17, 2008 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by avanent (Post 617300)
This is considered civilized behavior here?

It's a hell of a lot better than willful ignorance. But, as the saying goes, you can't rape the willing.

avanent Jun 17, 2008 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord Styphon (Post 617309)

its perfect!

The unmovable stubborn Jun 17, 2008 03:29 PM

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Misogynyst Gynecologist Jun 17, 2008 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by avanent (Post 617300)
This is considered civilized behavior here?

You want civilization, you can come talk to me, cocksucker.

No. Hard Pass. Jun 17, 2008 04:36 PM

In summation:

Ava thinks the world should work this way: If you don't like something for a while, you shouldn't like it ever. When I was younger, I didn't like Gabriel Garcia Marquez. At all. Found his work boring and dreadful. But people kept telling me he was worth time. So I kept going back, and as I got older, and my palate expanded, I found him one of my favourite writers.

You also said escargot was an acquired taste, so why should someone keep ordering it if they don't like it? Well I imagine it would be to acquire the taste, no? Escargot has a lot of delightful flavours to it, and is quite fantastic, so it's worth the acquiring of taste for it. Maybe by ordering it repeatedly, for instance. Great metaphor.

You're tilting at windmills here, mate. The only person in this thread who seems to be especially pissed off is you. Sass is baiting you, and you keep chomping at the hook. It's sad, actually. Your position boils down to "You didn't like it yet, why the hell would you like it now?" Do you realise how asinine that is? I mean, just dwell on that for a second. Just think about how incredibly childish that outlook is. Do you still not eat string beans or the crust on bread because you didn't like them as a kid? Are you really that boring a human being that you've never been pleasantly surprised to discover something you've never liked before suddenly wasn't so bad? If you're truly that static, I pity you and your dull, uninteresting existence.

GFF was never a nice, soft place to get hugs. You want people to respect your opinion? Well, try having an opinion that isn't rubbish and utterly indefensible.

Jessykins Jun 17, 2008 04:41 PM

Did you know his name is actually Manoj? I didn't.

Tails Jun 17, 2008 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pangalin (Post 617314)

Greatest thing Pang has ever made.

avanent Jun 17, 2008 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Denicalis (Post 617333)
In summation:

Ava thinks the world should work this way: If you don't like something for a while, you shouldn't like it ever. When I was younger, I didn't like Gabriel Garcia Marquez. At all. Found his work boring and dreadful. But people kept telling me he was worth time. So I kept going back, and as I got older, and my palate expanded, I found him one of my favourite writers.

You also said escargot was an acquired taste, so why should someone keep ordering it if they don't like it? Well I imagine it would be to acquire the taste, no? Escargot has a lot of delightful flavours to it, and is quite fantastic, so it's worth the acquiring of taste for it. Maybe by ordering it repeatedly, for instance. Great metaphor.

You're tilting at windmills here, mate. The only person in this thread who seems to be especially pissed off is you. Sass is baiting you, and you keep chomping at the hook. It's sad, actually. Your position boils down to "You didn't like it yet, why the hell would you like it now?" Do you realise how asinine that is? I mean, just dwell on that for a second. Just think about how incredibly childish that outlook is. Do you still not eat string beans or the crust on bread because you didn't like them as a kid? Are you really that boring a human being that you've never been pleasantly surprised to discover something you've never liked before suddenly wasn't so bad? If you're truly that static, I pity you and your dull, uninteresting existence.

GFF was never a nice, soft place to get hugs. You want people to respect your opinion? Well, try having an opinion that isn't rubbish and utterly indefensible.

This is an interesting argument Denicalis.

I think its a good argument, but I would wonder why someone would be so upset about it, in this situation. If you are trying to acquire a taste, why would you be so pissed off about it, if you still don't like it. I could understand being disappointed, but alot of people seem down right pissed about thinking yet another one of his movies (just like all the others) were crap.

I am aware that tastes change, but if you consider something crap, over and over again, I dont see why you'd be so pissed it it hasnt changed over night. This is his seventh well known 'contribution' to cinema, and if you felt his first 6 were crap, why would you expect to think different of this one? I'm not saying this applies to the people in this thread, but this is a complaint i've heard alot of.

However, if you merely dislike it, or wish to like it, then yes, what you state is very possible and plausible for people.

Your reply isnt a hug. And, although there are a few words here and there which are abrasive, its not a personal vendetta at character assassination. Your post displays a much more intellectual and civil way to disagree with something than the others.

No. Hard Pass. Jun 17, 2008 05:25 PM

But see, you're the one prescribing anger to people's reactions. I think it's much more apt to chalk it up to frustration than to anger. No one is saying M. Night does everything wrong all the time forever. I think most people can at least pick out one point in one of his movies that was truly interesting. It's sort of like reading an author who clearly has natural talent, but isn't polished. The edit is rough, and as such, you can't really enjoy the piece because, much as there are impressive aspects, they're overrun by the other qualities that are less savoury.

No one is mad that M. Night isn't a good filmmaker, they're frustrated that he never seems to improve. It's like he's still making his first couple movies.

avanent Jun 17, 2008 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Denicalis (Post 617350)
But see, you're the one prescribing anger to people's reactions. I think it's much more apt to chalk it up to frustration than to anger. No one is saying M. Night does everything wrong all the time forever. I think most people can at least pick out one point in one of his movies that was truly interesting. It's sort of like reading an author who clearly has natural talent, but isn't polished. The edit is rough, and as such, you can't really enjoy the piece because, much as there are impressive aspects, they're overrun by the other qualities that are less savoury.

No one is mad that M. Night isn't a good filmmaker, they're frustrated that he never seems to improve. It's like he's still making his first couple movies.

if you look around the web, theres alot of 'he fucking sucks', 'all of his movies are crap', etc going around followed with statements like 'i want my money back' and 'he should go back to iraq' and 'hollywood shouldn't allow him to make movies'.

I never said that everyone subscribed to this train of thought. But theres alot of it going around.

Theres also a good amount of his fans stating that those people 'just didnt get it' and that the movie was actually amazing.

His fans like his movie, and the people who dont like his movies, continue not to like them. But alot of those dissatisfied, seem authentically surprised and upset, as if it is absolutely confusing how they could dislike his 7th major motion picture, when they disliked all of his previous ones too. Its as if these people are devoid of the pattern-seeking processes in the human brain.

I poked it and it made a sad sound Jun 17, 2008 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by avanent (Post 617353)
if you look around the web, theres alot of 'he fucking sucks', 'all of his movies are crap', etc going around followed with statements like 'i want my money back' and 'he should go back to iraq' and 'hollywood shouldn't allow him to make movies'.

I never said that everyone subscribed to this train of thought. But theres alot of it going around.

Theres also a good amount of his fans stating that those people 'just didnt get it' and that the movie was actually amazing.

His fans like his movie, and the people who dont like his movies, continue not to like them. But alot of those dissatisfied, seem authentically surprised and upset, as if it is absolutely confusing how they could dislike his 7th major motion picture, when they disliked all of his previous ones too. Its as if these people are devoid of the pattern-seeking processes in the human brain.

You just keep going. Now, you're arguing with Deni.

I think it's particularly hilarious how you can't seem to read (or are choosing not to?) what I said. I don't dislike all his movies. His last two were particularly shitastic!

What is the problem here?

I'm not a fan, nor do I hate him. I don't run out the instant he makes a movie to judge it! I reserve judgment since I don't know what to expect! You're assuming (yes, you) that I either love him or hate him after I told you multiple times that I do neither.

Hopefully you can start to comprehend my frustration with you when you don't seem to understand things after multiple different explanations in various phrasing.

avanent Jun 17, 2008 08:15 PM

I acknowledged it was a good argument, and stated that he was, at the very least, partially right. I'm not arguing with him. I am actually, partially, agreeing with him. His argument is correct, but i don't think it applies to everyone.

I also stated that these hit or miss all arguments dont apply to everyone, but that there alot of people, whom are displaying hit or miss all, on the internet currently complaining or praising this movie. I even specifically stated that they dont apply to you, since you neither like nor dislike all of his movies. I never stated that you liked or disliked all of his work, i even specifically acknowledged and stated that you like and dislike some of his work. Why you think I am assuming that you like or dislike all of his work one way or another, when I specifically stated otherwise, I dont know.

Misogynyst Gynecologist Jun 17, 2008 08:21 PM

I come from the opposite end of the spectrum. Since I'm an intellectual in real life, I found The Sixth Sense to be a complete piece of fucking crap.

Then again, once you read Ambrose Bierce, it becomes ingrained in your head that anything you read is going to end "BUT HES BEEN DEAD THE WHOLE TIME". Be that as it may, I thought the whole movie was a bore and haven't bothered to watch it since it was in theaters when theres things like pornography to download and old episodes of The Outer Limits to watch.

I love - love love love - Unbreakable. Admittedly, I grew up a comic book nerd, so to see someone make a slow-paced, more-thoughtful genre movie, it was really up my alley (additionally, I really like the original Hulk movie, despite its obvious flaws, for similar reasons).

Now, here is where we come into avanent's problem. Despite M Night Mcfuckincheese making one incredibly overrated movie that everyone liked and one really good movie that a lot less people liked - we can all agree on one thing and thats everything past Unbreakable was a steady decline into Retardoworld. No one gives a fuck or shit or goddamn that you think otherwise - not only are you just some shovefuck on the Internet who does nothing, means nothing and probably hocks Junior Mints into a urinal at ten paces to make a living - but you've never bothered to prove otherwise.

You have Pulitzer Prize winning critics and people who've seen more movies than you and I have seen squared by the amount of animals Sassafrass has consumed in her eternal war against the Secret Secular Bovine Society. You have basically everyone on TV and in print and on the Internet - everyone from Joe Sixpack to billionaires to people who work at sock plants picking lint out of machines - disliking this guy's crappy movies for dumbasses.

Feel lonely yet?

You, and by you I mean *you* by whatever ugly Christian name your parents saw fit to brand you with, have against you what is apparently every genius, middleman, dullard and dumbass the Internet and the rest of the world has to offer. You are not smart enough to overcome the stupid and too stupid to overcome the smart. Face it - your opinion means jack shit because you mean jack shit and you came to the right place; GFF is full of people who mean jack shit. After all, we let Minion in.

In all honesty, if you're part of M Night Scatophile's fan base, no wonder everyone else in the world hates you and him.

avanent Jun 17, 2008 08:26 PM

Lehah: I stated that the happening was not a strong movie, and could have been better. I was entertained, as I found the directing itself somewhat interesting. Never said I liked the movie.

Misogynyst Gynecologist Jun 17, 2008 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by avanent (Post 617385)
Lehah: I stated that the happening was not a strong movie, and could have been better. I was entertained, as I found the directing itself somewhat interesting. Never said I liked the movie.

For someone who was simply "entertained", the lady doth protest too much.

Dopefish Jun 17, 2008 09:48 PM

I could've said I was entertained too, but in the most perverse and completely opposite way possible.

Additional Spam:
Called it. Swish.

I poked it and it made a sad sound Jun 17, 2008 10:29 PM

Turns out it IS a B-Movie, according to Shyamalan.

No wonder. Even then, it still fails as a B-movie in a way.

Matt Jun 17, 2008 10:41 PM

What the hell was he thinking?

But then again, Mark Wahlberg is the best actor to cast in what's supposed to be a B-movie. He's like the defining B-actor in his generation, hands down.

Animechanic Jun 17, 2008 10:43 PM

B movies are not supposed to have large budgets. That's why they are B movies! Unless he made this on a shoestring budget and didn't make a big deal out of it, or something.

Paco Jun 17, 2008 10:46 PM

No... You know what WAS a B-movie? GRINDHOUSE. And even THAT schlock was a hell of a lot funnier than this.

No. Hard Pass. Jun 17, 2008 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt (Post 617425)
What the hell was he thinking?

But then again, Mark Wahlberg is the best actor to cast in what's supposed to be a B-movie. He's like the defining B-actor in his generation, hands down.

http://www.nerve.com/CS/blogs/screen...cecampbell.jpg

The unmovable stubborn Jun 18, 2008 02:33 AM

I am pretty sure that Mr. Campbell is not in Mr. Wahlberg's generation!

I am kind of deeply sad that you people acquiesced to operate according to Avanent's Rules Of Order after all. I can't even sleep without this place getting all polite and considerate.

Fluffykitten McGrundlepuss Jun 18, 2008 07:34 AM

He says it's a B movie but then in the very next sentence says that this is because it's got zombies in. Having zombies in a film doesn't make it a B movie, it makes it a zombie film. They guy clearly is full of shit and trying desperately to back-pedal and cover his arse for making yet another monumentally shit film.

Matt Jun 18, 2008 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Pangalin (Post 617471)
I am pretty sure that Mr. Campbell is not in Mr. Wahlberg's generation!

Not only that, but Bruce can act if he has to.

Unlike Mark.

No. Hard Pass. Jun 18, 2008 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt (Post 617647)
Not only that, but Bruce can act if he has to.

Unlike Mark.

What? No he fucking can't. You're joking, right?

Paco Jun 18, 2008 11:51 PM

Pitfall 3D still counts as acting, right?

Crash "Long-Winded Wrong Answer" Landon Jun 19, 2008 12:23 AM

Hey, let's not forget a little gem known as Sky High, okay?

Campbell played a gym teacher in a Disney movie, and did so without crying in utter shame. If that's not acting skill, you tell me what is.

Misogynyst Gynecologist Jun 19, 2008 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Encephalon (Post 617427)
No... You know what WAS a B-movie? GRINDHOUSE. And even THAT schlock was a hell of a lot funnier than this.

One of these lines is false. Can you, the viewers at home, figure out which one?

Paco Jun 19, 2008 11:29 AM

What? Grindhouse wasn't a B-movie?

Misogynyst Gynecologist Jun 19, 2008 11:46 AM

Or entertaining. Or well-made. Or worth mentioning.

Wall Feces Jun 19, 2008 12:36 PM

The only problem with Grindhouse was Death Proof. It was B-movie-like, but it doesn't excuse it from being excessively masturbatory with the dialogue. Tarantino loves his writing, but its often decent enough to be watchable. The dialogue in Death Proof was not only shitty, but even more excessive than usual. It just sucked.

The thing that boggles my mind about what is considered a B-movie these days is that they often have big budgets, which is precisely the opposite of what a B-movie used to be. Now, a B-movie is just a purposefully bad or schlocky movie, regardless of budget, which I guess could be seen as an "evolution" of the B-movie, but I just see it as directors trying to pawn off their horrible shit as something they did on purpose. M Night calling The Happening "the best B-movie you will ever see" is proof of this.

Misogynyst Gynecologist Jun 19, 2008 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by sprouticus (Post 617895)
The only problem with Grindhouse was Death Proof. It was B-movie-like...

Actually, your last part there is exactly the problem. You don't set out to make a b-movie - thats just pastiche. A real b-movie tries to be more than its budget or talent allows. Similarly, you don't go out and say "I'm going to make a Blaxploitation movie". John Singleton tried to update that genre with Shaft seven years ago and it fell on its face.

M Night Shitmypantsohgod's statement that The Happening is a b-movie seems to be more akin to the Aesop fable about the fox who couldn't get the grapes - his movie failed, so he's back-peddling in an attempt to save face.

I poked it and it made a sad sound Jun 19, 2008 03:27 PM

In fairness LeHah, the movie was pretty clearly trying to be a B-movie, albeit not very well. Had you seen it, you'd know what I'm talking about.

No. Hard Pass. Jun 19, 2008 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassafrass (Post 617941)
In fairness LeHah, the movie was pretty clearly trying to be a B-movie, albeit not very well. Had you seen it, you'd know what I'm talking about.

And LeHah's point is that you can't set out to make a b-movie. It's not a genre to be tackled. It's something that happens when you set out to make a normal movie.

Misogynyst Gynecologist Jun 19, 2008 05:45 PM

See Deni.

I poked it and it made a sad sound Jun 19, 2008 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Denicalis (Post 617957)
And LeHah's point is that you can't set out to make a b-movie. It's not a genre to be tackled. It's something that happens when you set out to make a normal movie.

No, I understand. But it was clear he was trying.

Misogynyst Gynecologist Jun 19, 2008 08:26 PM

Deni understood my ability to use words, hopefully you too will be able to succeed in such a way.

I poked it and it made a sad sound Jun 19, 2008 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by LeHah (Post 618021)
Deni understood my ability to use words, hopefully you too will be able to succeed in such a way.

So how many times exactly are you going to spam up the thread? You already said "what Deni said."

Whether or not he was "successful" (he wasn't) or whether or not you can intentionally create a B-movie (you can't), it's clear that he tried. Which is his major flaw when it comes to the "best B movie of all time" argument Shyamalan tried to make.

Misogynyst Gynecologist Jun 19, 2008 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassafrass (Post 618026)
So how many times exactly are you going to spam up the thread?

And you keep replying to it because...?

Also - is this thread really worth saving to begin with? You went at it with that other dumbass for *an entire page* before accusing me of spaming in *one post*.

No. Hard Pass. Jun 19, 2008 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassafrass (Post 618026)
So how many times exactly are you going to spam up the thread? You already said "what Deni said."

Whether or not he was "successful" (he wasn't) or whether or not you can intentionally create a B-movie (you can't), it's clear that he tried. Which is his major flaw when it comes to the "best B movie of all time" argument Shyamalan tried to make.

I would argue M Night's biggest flaw in claiming to have made the greatest anything is that to make the greatest, one must first be, you know, good at something.

avanent Jun 21, 2008 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by LeHah (Post 618046)
that other dumbass

/waves

Contracts Jun 25, 2008 12:31 AM

This film was completely awful; I totally agree that M Night tried to craft a normal film but ended up creating a pile of shit and in turn used "IT'Z A B-MOVIE" to justify why it so awful. Now, the movie started out decent, even incorporating some nice metaphors. The problem is when these events start to happen to the main characters everything falls apart.

The biggest problems with this film are it portrays itself as a movie with something to say but becomes so flawed that you don't really care any more. If M Night was setting out to create a "B-Movie" I highly doubt he would have started it out with a somewhat intelligent setup (many references to Bee's, character conflicts that seem like they could contribute to the story overall and genuine weirdness that kept you interested). However, as the film progressed it was like M Night was at a loss of what to do and in turn you have the pile of shit your seeing now.


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