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Spider-Man 3
Can't believe a thread hasn't been made yet. Behold the Black Spidey!
http://www.superherohype.com/news/fe...ws.php?id=3892 So discuss all the Venom rumors, including the nonsense about Venom's face appearing if you reverse the eye and zoom in close. My stance on the whole thing is that I will not be satisfied if they do include Venom as only a last minute teaser of Spidey 4 (like what they did in Batman Begins). I don't want to wait another 4 years or so. They need to devote at least 20 minutes to a dramatic battle between Spidey and a fully revealed Venom. |
Too bad it's Spider-Man 3, idiot.
Spider-Man isn't in the poster at all. It's Venom. Venom will simply be represented as an evil clone of Spider-Man for the third film, since a faithful duplicate of his comic incarnation would take 900 years of CG. Sorry, I am correct. |
I'm kinda iffy on the whole black costume deal. When I first saw the image, I thought it was an emo-fied image of Spidey until my friend informed me that it wasn't black-and-white.
I guess I'll have to wait for more images and the teaser trailer to make a call on it, though. Have we gone back in time? Spider-Man 2? |
Title fixed. Resume your important discussion.
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I've seen this picture three times now and I still can't tell if that's truly a black costume, with the same silver-ish webbing on the costume, or if the picture is just really dark and shadowed. I mean, it is raining in the picture...
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I'm weary about the scaling on that costume, those threads didn't appear in Spidey 2 even when zoomed in. :eyebrow:
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I white spidey costume would be totally bitchin'.
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I'll just be pissed if they radically re-design the Venom suit (ie: no big white spider on the chest). Who knows, maybe it only looks different on Spidey, and when it's on Eddie it will be more like the comic.
I'm still pissed about using Topher Grace for Eddie Brock. It's Eric Foreman. Fuck. But I was hoping that they would hold off on Venom until SM4, building up the character more. But as long as they don't put more than one villain in the third movie (like rumors were saying, with Sandman or something) I'll be happy. And if Venom has adequately spectacular CG, of course. |
I still can't believe there might be more then one villain. I'm not a Spidey expert but from what I've seen, one arch foe has been enough to more then just mess with Peter Parker. Besides, Tobey Maguire is really getting on my nerves.
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I'm going to say this once.
Sam Raimi has not confirmed that Topher Grace is playing Eddie Brock/Venom. It has not been confirmed that Venom is even in the film. Period. Sony Pictures has said that the Spider-Man 3 teaser poster is not simply a black and white Spider-Man. It is the black costume. However, that still doesn't mean that Venom is in the movie. Remember, the black costume was around for 4 years before Venom came around. Before Spider-Man 1 even came out, Sam Raimi stated that he hated the character of Venom and that he wouldn't be appreaing in any of his movies. That being said, it is a very very popular rumor. There is some evidence pointing towards this, but yet again, nothing official. No official annoucement has been made on who Topher is playing. Until then, he could be Venom, he could be fucking Kraven for all we know. Edit: Also that Q&A from AICN has no real source. For all we know it was a guy asking his neighbour who is going to be in Spider-Man 3. |
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http://spiderman.sonypictures.com/im...gle_header.jpg http://spiderman.sonypictures.com/images/back.jpg http://spiderman.sonypictures.com/images/footer.gif http://spiderman.sonypictures.com/ AICN also had this Q&A up which they supposebly received before the photo was released that delved into which villains will be showing up, the deal with Venom, who dies etc but then was "told" to remove it by Sony.... ...Here it is though for anyone interested: Spoiler:
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Sorry, but I gotta call bullshit.
Why would they practically spell out the entire movie. |
There's a more than just a TON of expectations heaped on Spidey 3. I can't see how Raimi's going to pull this off, but I'll definitely be watching this the day it's in theatres.
The black suit doesn't impress me much, just a way to get some free publicity, and build up hype. I just hope they don't screw up the "look" of Venom, and give Bruce Campbell another memorable cameo. |
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Here's a cool fan-shopped image of the same pic. http://images.aintitcool.com/images2...ackenstein.jpg I'm pretty sure Sandman won't be the main villain. I honestly always viewed Sandman as a B grade villain. The hired muscle, if you will. I think Sandman's screentime will only serve as a flashy opening, and nothing more. I can't really imagine a whole movie dedicated to him. Even with Hobgoblin, I think there's enough time to develop Brock and the black costume. Near the end, Peter gets rid of the suit, and it bonds with Eddie. Then, just when you think the movie is nearing the end, an extra 20 minutes is added to have Spidey clash with a newly created Venom. To me, the perfect way to introduce Venom would be his first encounter with MJ in the comics, where he's standing in the shadows, and she thinks it's Peter. But then a twisted smile forms around the black mask, and the hulking figure steps out of the shadows. "Hi, Honey...." http://www.spiderfan.org/characters/...mazing300a.jpg That would be so awesome. |
I found this in IMDB forums...It may clear some stuff...
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d6...eyhouse2uz.jpg |
Yeah.
You can even see Galactus fighting Silver Surfer if you squint hard enough. |
i was hoping itd be more like the spider-man animated series(the neogenic nightmare..or was it symbiot-err fuck it)... but oh well. im looking forward to this anyway. i just hope Eric Foreman doesn't fuck up..this is one of those big films and i hope he does a great job as eddie brock.
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So, uh, who isn't is/are the villain(s)?
I'm assuming Green Goblin will make a return (as it was kinda implied by the end of 2) and now I hear Sandman and Venom are in the movie. With the later being more of a rumor. So, yea, could someone give a clear list as to who the new villain(s) is/are? |
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The only confirmed villain is Sandman. The rest are rumored, including Venom, Electro, Green Goblin II, Hobgoblin, Vulture, and Mysterio. Oh, and Kraven too, I guess. It's either Hobgoblin and/or Venom.
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GG2 has to be in Spider-Man 3 with the ending the gave us in the 2nd. Unless they plan on pulling off what was done from Batman Returns to Forever. :aargh:
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And uh, what did they pull off from Batman Returns to Forever?
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Haha, I actually laughed out loud when reading that
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I wouldn't mind if S-M3 played out like the spoiler above, but no matter what, I'm pretty sure that it's going to be good. I for one liked Tobey's Peter Parker, for that matter, all the actors. They just seemed right in my book. |
I hope the score isn't awful since Elfman won't be involved.
I like how the Spider-Man theme is better than Superman or Batman. |
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I remember when that Star Wars Episode III poster came out; people talking about how there were 900 hidden images of Darth Vader + Waldo if you looked hard enough. I never saw that shit.
CG human animation always sucks, unless it's Terminator 2 in which case somehow it's timeless. CG bums me out. It's so overused these days, I wonder if we'll just replace actors with CG models. That was the plan they had for Aki from the Final Fantasy movie. I don't think it was a dumb idea, it was just ahead of its time and of course the unsuccess of Final Fantasy contributed to the general fuckno response. |
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WraithTwo was talking about GG as in Green Goblin. WraithTwo, and yeah I agree. They totally set this 3rd movie up for Harry to become GG and fight Peter, but now all this crazy talk about venom and junk. Also they went through the trouble of establishing Dr. Conors (mentioned him in the first and showed him in the 2nd) you'd think that they'd use that and have him fight the Lizard as a secondary villian. |
They better make this one a good one. In my opinon the first Spiderman was better then the second.
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The problem with the Lizard is that he would be yet another "fatherly figure that goes bad" character.
Gotta change it up a bit. The Lizard costume would probably look great though. I actually just finished watching Spider-Man 2 again. The DTS soundmix is out of this world. |
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The score by Danny Elfman was awful - but the theme is great? ISN'T THE THEME PART OF THE SCORE? BOTH OF YOU: STOP BEING STUPID ON MY INTERNET |
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John Jameson was in the second one. So Spidey should fight Man-Wolf? Dr.Mendell Stromm was in the first. Should he fight The Robot Master? Hell, they even made mention of Brock in the first one. Venom hasn't shown up yet. Personally I hope to god this Venom nonsense is bogus. I have a deep hatred of that character and the popularity that he does not deserve. They may as well have named him Spider-Man XtReMe. |
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You are stupid. Stop making my internet stupid. Fucking stupid cumguzzling fucktardenstein. Stop posting already. |
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Spider-Man 2 was a vastly superior movie to the first one, much like X2 was a superior to the first one of that series. If they make a movie with three villains, it will only become cluttered. I honestly hope they don't put Venom in the movie. Spidey already has an archfoe in this movie... assuming they do it correctly. Why does he need two? No, I think it would just be fine with a lesser villain (like Sandman, Vulture, etc.) along with the Green Goblin. Even putting the black suit on Spidey might still make it a little too cluttered, but I guess it would have to depend on the execution.
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I don't know how far they plan to evolve the film franchise, but I want to see a rendition of Maximum Carnage, in which Spider-Man and Venom have to team up against Carnage. There's actually a rumor that there will be a cameo of Kletus Cassidy in the third film.
I love Spider-Man, but the problem is that the comic has the stupidest villains I've ever seen in the entire universe. Who the hell cares about fishbowl head and bird man. Spider-Man should just stay home and watch TV. Sandman is also going to seem weird, since the first two villains were still grounded in reality. I mean, we have a guy turning into sand now. What. And leaving Venom at the very end ain't a bad idea. Spider-Man could rely on the symbiote to defeat Sandman, until it starts to take him over near the very end of the movie. The problem is introducing Sandman and his origin, as well as how the symbiote lands on Earth, and Brock's drama with Peter as well. |
Yeah, if they really include all this shit, the movies either gonna be 4 hours or far too cluttered to be any good (or a combination/comprimise of the two). Honestly, fuck Venom. That shit's probably gonna be butchered unless they focus an entire movie on it, and have some leadup from a previous one. Just wrap up the Osborne story instead of starting another arc that is equally large in size.
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From what I've seen, the score will be written by Christopher Young. Considering that, according to Elfman, Raimi went temp-track-mad in Spider-Man 2 (tracking in the first score and some Hellraiser cues, and making Elfman swear he would never work with Raimi again), and considering that Young rewrote the train sequence in Spider-Man 2 using Elfman's theme, it seems likely that the theme will return.
Whether it'll be a Harry Potter 4 (where just the theme was retained) or Superman 2 (where the entire score for the first movie was besically just cut up and resequenced) is anyone's guess. I'm personally cuatiously optomistic. |
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I'd like to see a source for that info cause I've got it somewhat differently. http://comicbookmovie.com/news/articles/1918.asp Check out the link to the vid with Sam Raimi where he states that he thinks that there will be 6 films and that if he feels as passionate about the characters and the story that "there's no way they'd be able to keep me away from it." As much money as they're making with these movies they'd be fools not to keep them going at least until the well dries up and people don't pay for it anymore. Sure movie making is about art and storytelling, but bottom line, it's a business. |
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I'm fairly certain that Raimi would like to move on though. Three movies is enough, if you ask me. |
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Anyway, Toby might not want to do anymore spiderman movies but well made comic book movies are going to go a long way. Look at how many batman movies there are. Different Bruces but it's still on going. |
You mean comic book movies that make money.
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love those first page quotes.
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New Pic?
http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/display.cgi?id=22888
While the pic may not be real, it still is cool to see the new suit. |
Megalith is (uhh, I can't believe it's come to this) correct. Hell, even AICN has gone back and said "yeah it's a fake".
Still, nice Photoshop work though. |
That's cheap ass photoshoppin'. Some dork pulled that off in like 10mins.
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The sandman aspect of that synopsis was taken from the early James Cameron Spider-Man project from the early 90s.
Most likely, its all BS. |
God no. I would hate to see Carnage show up in the fourth movie...I mean, they need to establish Venom before they bring in any more symbiotes. maybe later on they could bring in Carnage, and then have Venom turn around and grudgingly partner up with Spiderman. But not by the fourth movie.
I'm thinking that they're going to have Green Goblin II/Harry Osborne (rumored to be turned into Hobgoblin instead of GGII) and Sandman be the focus of this third movie, with Eddie Brock there to get screwed by Spiderman at critical points. Meanwhile, Peter will be fighting himself with the new suit, and somehow while struggling with the suit he'll end up killing Gwen (that way at least he'll still feel guilt for that, even if it's in a different way). Then at the end, when there's nothing left of the other villains, I think the suit switch will happen and Venom will show up. But not 'til the very end. And speaking of Venom/Brock, some pictures were posted of Topher Grace with his Brock hair (blonde): http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/9...pher2ue.th.png http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/9...erii1ub.th.png I'm starting to get used to the idea of him playing Venom. I've heard rumors that he's bulked up (although how much is up for grabs, I've heard anywhere from 25-60 lbs) and with the different color of hair he's looking less like dweeby Foreman and more like...well...not Foreman. |
What pisses me off is that MJ will probably get kidnapped again. God I hate her in the movie versions.
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I heard.. Spoiler:
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Why would they do that? I thought she was in the comic since forever.
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well you know comics.There's usually an alternate universe. Then again, im not big in the earlier chapters but i am reading the recent ones . (obviously they have nothing to do with the movie ;p)
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Comics go through various levels of shittiness based on the writers and artists.
Then bucks says if Mary Jane did die in the comic she would have somehow been resurrected or some shit. God knows you can't really change some of the key aspects of a comic. Refer to Superman's long hair or temporary alternate costume. |
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Fingers crossed. :biggrin: |
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http://www.aftonbladet.se/noje/0601/...8bryce_368.jpg Can't find a picture of her as a blonde. And I certainly hope that the writers don't try to do anything approaching the "Ultimate" Venom origin. I don't like the logo-less costume design nor the origin of the suit, but I have a bad feeling they're going to do something exactly like that for the movie version :(. |
Didn't Venon get his spider-logo across his chest at the end of the Ultimate Spider-Man video game? I read somewhere that the events in the game are canon material.
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Ugh, she isn't all that great looking. Although it is Peter Parker we are talking about =p
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Oh, and if anyone needs to see Bryce Dallas Howard as a blonde, watch The Village or find snapshots from it. I suggest the latter, seeing as it's a pretty dull movie. |
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Luck would have it that Spider-Man largely had some of the most creative writing Marvel ever had which is why he's still around. The costume change thing *is* stupid - the black costume was around at the time to cash in on counterculture with their crazy, thin ties and pastel Miami Vice clothing - and its something from which Spider-Man has repeatedly gone into. Scarlet Spider... Spider-Armor... that other costume change in the late 1990s... |
weren't there rumors about gwen stacy coming into the mix to create a love triangle between peter and mj. and as some of you know:
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Either way, somebodies going to get killed and I don't mean just the villian. |
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Ark : If she's playing as Gwen Stacy, i guess thats not so bad. Anything that'll just put Kirsten Dunst "crazy/beautiful" ass to shame. |
I doubt Spider-Man 3 will be better than 2.
I like how Danny Elfman and the guy who did the CG work left. |
What did Dykstra leave for again...Hot Wheels. :lolsign:
Anywho, the CG in both Spiderman flicks wasn't anything worth noting and hopefully this leaves the possibility of some decent CG. |
The CG in the first film was terrible, but the second had some of the best I've seen.
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Straight off the Superbit Edition DVD...:eyebrow:
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Golly gee whiz, that sure does look awful.
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If that's the gold standard in Spidey effects, then I really shouldn't rag on those fanmade stills for three with Venom. Those look just about on par with that shot.
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this is off-topic sorry but what is that in your avatar evergreen? Whats it from and whats happening? looks nuts =p
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Every time I watch Spider-Man 2 and that scene comes up, I always sigh and turn away for a few seconds. Don't get me wrong, the movie rocks and I like it better than the first movie, but it doesn't have flawless special effects. If they kill MJ off, I hope they pull it off smoothly. Despite my criticisms to Kirsten Dunst, I still respect and care for the character. If she is going to meet her end in the third movie or any other, it better knock my socks off and make me shed a tear. |
Yeah because seeing a guy swing around New York City on thin strands of gloop is so fucking real in the first place
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ONOES SPAWN IN SM3 LOL
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I’d get a good laugh if that fan-made ‘teaser’ trailer turned out valid and Spawn suddenly appeared out of the blue. It would be awesome if he was the one that killed MJ, too. Best Idea Ever |
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maybe harry will come as a villain because the spiderman 2 ending gave a hint of harry being the next green goblin and people who saw the movie believed that harry would return in the movie as the next green goblin. so there might be a sequence in the end where they completely show us that harry has transformed into a villain since the movie is all about sandman terrorizing the town.
oh and about that teaser trailer in the part where sand is comming through the door key place, it is the same scene that was in the movie 'the mummy' though im not sure. |
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that teaser is clever, but obviously fake. nice april fools joke. |
Venom confirmed.
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Well there you go, Thomas Hayden Church spills it. I for one am pumped, since Venom is my favorite comic book villain of all time. |
LOL! That makes Church,Stan Lee and Kirsten Dunst spilling the beans
Dammit Sony just confirm it already. Nobody is going to be surprised now. The cat is well and truly out of the bag. |
Considering how one of his first 'hints' about who he was playing was "a composition of molecules" or something, he might just be pulling our legs. Dunst inadvertently spilling details, okay. Church, to me, is a less likely candidate. But hey, if it is Venom, neat, but official confirmation's the only thing that'll seal it for me.
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Same here. There's a load of difference between "playing Venom" and "playing the guy who WILL become Venom". Grace could just be speaking about the future when he mentions himself as Venom, when in reality he could only be playing Eddie Brock and nothing else for now. Hopefully this isn't the case and the true Venom does make an appearance.
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I thought Church was playing Sandman, not Venom
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While I'd still prefer The Lizard over Venom (or any other villain), I think Raimi and his crew can pull off Venom. It almost sounds like there will be a side-story.
"...and this is what Venom is going to be doing." But with Spider-Man being in a different attire, this can go in many directions. It sounds like they might introduce Venom halfway through. It's fun to speculate; I bet everyone could list a dozen ideas and the odds are, Raimi will surprise us. |
The first shot of "Venom" in that trailer looks pretty convincing, but that shot of Spawn in the end with the crappy mouth just slapped on is hilarious.
And I thought Sam Raimi hated Venom. Oh well. |
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But if you actually look at the damn thing - you realized that the ENTIRE picture is in that color tone. For all we know, its just a cloudy day. |
It was confirmed in the official site that it was a new costume. It even dispelled the color tone theory that you just mentioned.
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Offical site? PM the link please
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Click on 'Daily Bugle' - where you'll eventually find: "You may think you’re looking at a black and white photo. Look closely, Spider-Man wears a black suit in Spider-Man 3." I saw it prior to posting my statement, so I wouldn't be too quick to judge. Though I admit, before I read the official content on the site, I thought he wasn't wearing the classic black/white costume. |
That picture is the teaser poster I just cited though.
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As long as Carnage is introduced somewhere near the end, I'll give a crap.
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Okay, I just have to step in with all this Carnage talk; it ain't happening. There's just no way you can market a mass serial killer whose own suit is composed of his own blood (at least it was the last time I checked, way back in Maximum Carnage) to a PG-13 audience (still mostly composed of kids), not unless you want Carnage seriously gimped.
Honestly, Carnage had his moments back in the day, but overall I find him inferior to Venom. Venom has a cooler design and a cooler backstory (eternal hatred for Spidey). Carnage is just a psycho who wants to kill anything that isn't him, which I always felt was a little out of place in Spider-Man. Maybe they could implement the Ultimate Carnage, an inhuman creature created from Peter's DNA, but I don't see, or really desire, the original showing up in the movies. |
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Even if you omit that part, he's still a redneck serial killer. How would you market a character like that for a massively marketed movie like this? |
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How funny would it be if the venom talk is all a plot by sony pics to generate a ton of hype. I can see them all around a table... "sweet, church just said the "v" word in an interview! all the fanboys are gonna go nuts!" Everybody will be disappointed when Grace (who plays a nobody bystander) gets killed by Sandman (or Harry as the GG) in the first 15mins of the movie. All the venom fanboys will cry. |
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That's the kind of audience that makes up a large percentage of Spidey movie fans: kids. And besides that point, the movie is very mainstream. If they try to make someone like Carnage the main badguy, it would be all over the media, stirring controversy all over. The kind of controvery Sony wouldn't want for one of their biggest franchises. |
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Does no one understand artistic liberty any more? |
Lehah, when sony pics states "...Spider-Man wears a black suit in Spider-Man 3." it might just mean that he will wear a black suit.
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Sure, we could just wait until the movie's debut to be 100% certain, but when the website is literally spelling it out and we've seen numerous interviews confirming Venom, I'm leaning to the 'He's wearing a bloody black outfit' side. Does no one understand artistic liberty any more?[/QUOTE] Nope. |
Black Spidey=confirmed.
Eddie Brock=pretty much confirmed. Eddie Brock turning into Venom in this movie=still sorta iffy. Like I said, even if he does get the suit by the end of the movie, I'll still be disappointed unless we at least get a brief scuffle with Spidey and Venom. Having Venom appear in full is nice, but I want to see him in action. |
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call me crazy, but i'm slightly inclined to believe that he may have a black suit in the movie. |
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Maybe they don't want to reveal a clear image of the costume yet.
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Not sure exactly but it was from a questionable source mentioning that the symbiote had attached itself to the costume which was the reason for the change in color that we see in the teaser poster. It wasn't until Parker was lying in bed that the symbiote attached itself to his body/skin if you will and became the outfit we're used to seeing. But who knows for sure, this source hasn't been verified and we probably won't know a thing until the teaser trailer is released.
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These images surfaced recently on AICN so in due time I expect them to be down probably on tuesday so I took the liberty to save these. Bit of interesting images mainly of Topher Grace as Brock. :sneaky:
http://img425.imageshack.us/img425/3...y3brock0sp.jpg http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/4...3brock21pc.jpg http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/6...3brock42rt.jpg No clue as to what went on here, but there is your black suit. :eyebrow: http://img317.imageshack.us/img317/3...acksuit7yi.jpg |
I'm waiting for Lehah to come in here and say... "look at that crummy photographic fakery! That pic is obviously photoshopped!"
Check the look on Tobey's face; looks like that damn evil symbiote has got to him. Hopefully he won't freak out and smash that camera. |
Here are some on location photos (65), that image of Tobey doesn't sit well with me either but smart of 'em to mix it with a real batch.
http://www.lighthousenews.us/ |
Indeed! Topher looks a lot more sinister than he has before :D. But that godawful bottle-yellow hair on Topher... it actually looks like the comic book color, but in this case I don't know if that's a good thing:
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/2401/brock5xk.jpg He still looks a bit shrimpy for Brock, also. |
Oh shit, check imdb. Guess who's listed to play Carnage?! I'm sure it's just an awesome joke, but I'll bet it'll get a bunch of people all upset.
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Brock is supose to be... a big guy.
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You know after looking at those images from the lighthouse website, one question hit me. Isn't Ms.Howard a bit too heavy to be playing Gwen? :shh:
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Thats what I thought, looks like spidey wants some cushin for the pushin =p
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"That'll do pig. That'll do." I'll admit that I am liking Topher as Brock. While I'm still not crazy (read:hate) the idea of Venom in a movie, I'm not that troubled by his size. It's much more about how a character can be played to be menacing than simply his size. Still though, I don't completely buy the idea of Venom being in the movie until we actually get some proof. Brock maybe, Venom I'm not so sure yet. |
LOL man you had me cracking up with the pig line seeing as I just saw that on tv not too long ago lol.
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Holy shit. Farmer Hogget is in the movie lol. Other than that movie. it looks like he would have potential to be whatever he is in the movie. He did a good job in Sum of all Fears.
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Four Spider-man villains?!
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WHOOO THATS MY B-DAY! Can't wait, so either this will be a fast paced fun action movie or a long movie with a lot of crazy shit going on, either way it seems cool.
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it's probably just some bum that peter takes care of it in a 1 min scene just to show the power of the suit.
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Maybe its Gwen's fatass, she cant fullfill her desire for food and starts to go on a eating rampage eating all the folks in N.Y. and Spider-Man is our only hope!
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Spiderman is so sweet
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Well, it does mention on IMDB that Curt Connors/The Lizard is in SM3. Soooo...yeah. Not too happy about it, really. I love Venom, but even I don't want him in this movie until the absolute end (ie: just getting the costume and a sneak peak of what he looks like). But throwing in GG and Sandman? With the Lizard and possibly Venom? Did nobody learn anything from Batman Forever and Batman and Robin??
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Maybe it'll finally be the Lizard. Dr. Connors' appearances seemed to allude to it.
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Having Venom as a villian is bad enough, I think I'd Kraven myself if I had to sit through a movie with Carnage. Spider-Man 3: The One for People with ADD |
yeah but with Superman being 2 an half hours long maybe this one will be as long or even longer which will equal better character development then the short X3
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Just a guess that if someone is willing to make a superhero movie that long then spider-man being long may be possible. I mean SM2 was already 2 hours long so extended it a bit isnt too outa the question. As I said its just a guess i'm making.
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It would have to be long to have all those villains in it. Unless it's one villain just for the intro, with Spidey wearing the normal suit, two for the rest of the movie with the black suit, and then one for the ending, which would make the most sense with Brock becoming Venom in more or less the same way Harry finds the Green Goblin costume in the end of 2.
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Just thinking out loud here but, Venom worked well in comics and in the animated series but I'm a bit worried as to how his voice will be handled in movie...let alone the CG :eyebrow:
Also good call on Raimi's behalf to have Spidey's webshooters organic. There would be alot of raised questions as to how the symbiote possessed Parker's abilities if they weren't. :lolsign: |
Spidey gets a little too close and personal with Farmer Hogget :p
http://static.flickr.com/69/155651350_885455fc5f.jpg "What's that Farmer Hogget? You want me to bend over, touch my toes, and baa?... But why?" http://static.flickr.com/57/155651185_74375a7271.jpg |
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Teaser trailer to be played with Superman Returns, unfortunately it will not be playing with IMAX screenings of Returns. :doh: Trailer description here.
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On a quick note, I just find it funny how DC movie trailers show for Marvel films and vice versa. Doesn't anyone else get a chuckle when they see this?
The trailer description is interesting, though I have to wonder how many CG shots will be shown, as the movie is still a year off. Unfinished sfx, here we come!! Although it's already filled with villains, does anyone know if Lizard will show up here as well? Doc Conners was in part 2, and I would assume Raimi might delve into his transformation in some way, unless this is being saved for the second trilogy. |
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Never has IMDB's disclaimer, "Since this project is categorized as being in production, the data is subject to change; some data could be removed completely. been more true. So...yeah. Who knows. I think that Connors will probably be in there as the doctor that Peter goes to for the symbiote removal, because I seriously doubt they'll bring in the cast of the FF for a guest appearance. And then they could introduce the audience to Connors in preparation for The Lizard in a future film. |
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Yea, that's what I figured.
Though him being used as a helping hand for Peter for the symbiote sounds pretty damn plausible. A good way to give him some more screen time for sure. I still absolutely abhor the fact that a skeleton such as Topher Grace is actually supposed to be Venom though. I'd say that Josh Lucas would've been a MUCH better choice for Eddie Brock; he has the acting ability, and if he trains enough, he can have a decent body for the character. |
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The description of Venom as "evil Spider-Man" can be debated.
Venom is not the type of person who would just go on a random killing rampage as say, Carnage would. Venom just has a warped sense of justice and morals, and he acts upon that. Doesn't necessarily make him "evil"; essentially in the same vain as Magneto. That's about all I'll say, as a debate such as this can go on for ages, with various viewpoints and whatnot. That's my two cents, and I'm gonna take them back, because I'm a real cheap bastard :) Goober...I like that. Thanks for labelling me there, bud. |
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Ultimate Eddie Brock. Hardly the physical specimen that "616" Eddie is. However Ultimate Spider-man compared to Ultimate Venom; http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...e/Venom-sm.jpg Perhaps Raimi is going to go the Ultimate way and make the Venom suit "fill out" Eddie's size, rather than the normal continuity of it just wrapping around Brock's already imposing frame. |
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And I like how you seem to know what Marvel was aiming at when they created the Venom character, by using a "cheap, lame writing ploy". Did Stan Lee tell you that at some crazy late-night party or something? I'd say be grateful that you have access to insider Marvel Comics thought processes. :boxing: Oh well, I don't want this to become some kind of war of words, so I'll just wave the white flag up so that we can move forward on the subject of the film itself. |
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LeHah, you apparently can't see that I'm taking this lightly, and see that debating this moot point is useless and does nothing for the benefit of this thread, so we should just leave it in the dirt and move on.
And I don't see how I'm trolling. Are you saying that I should instead continue to argue my point with you for as many pages as it can endure? That's just silly, and something that isn't needed for anyone here. Apparently though, I've pissed you off in some way, and you want to continue by flagging me. I'm sure there are other posters out there who are in dire need of flagging much more than I do. But if you must, go ahead, if it'll cheer you up. I'll just move on. Does anyone know if the Spider-Man 3 teaser will hit the web before the Superman debut? Most likely not, but there have been plenty of times where we get the occasional friendly leakage our way :edgarrock: I'm just hoping that they don't repeat the mistake they made with the Spider-Man 2 online teaser premiere by having it on Flash format...ughn, that was just plain ugly. |
Teaser has hit the web:
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By the way Lehah, can't remember the actor's name, but the guy in your sig looks like he would've hold his side as Norman Osborn in a good Spider-Man adaptation.
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Holy Crap-My-Pants, that was awesome. I cannot for May 2007. ;.;
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That was just amazing. It definitely gives an excellent reason of why we shouldn't die in the next year. :biggrin:
Anyone else notice that this thread is huge? The moment this movie draws nearer to theaters, we'll see an increase of activity. Quite the accomplishment for a movie that's less than a year away! |
that was intense. Looks like when parker gets rid of the symbiot it will be the same way as he did in the oldy cartoon with the big bell.
Also, I think I'm wrong but did I just see the skinny dude from that 70's show o_0 Anyhow, I can't wait to see it. With four villains the movie might be longer than ever but I predict that venom won't show till the ending :/ |
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Now I am *so* excited about the movie. I got out of my 'Venom' phase many years ago, but the residual love for the character has made me all giddy over seeing it on the big screen. GIDDY. LIKE A LITTLE GIRL.
And I don't care if Venom is Marvel's whore (Because he is...that's what made me stop really bothering with the comics in the first place...), he's still an essential, integral part of Spider-Man's history and deserved the big-screen treatment, even without the 'proper' backstory. Even with Topher Grace as Brock I think I can handle it, by this point. At least he's not hideously ugly, as the original comic Brock was (not the later Fabio-esque Brock from the mini-series comics). Yes. Definitely looks good to me. Did anyone notice what the GGII's outfit looked like? The glider is definitely different, and it appears that Harry is wearing something all black and a bit less armored (ie: Power-Rangery), more form-fitting compared to SM1's design: http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/1...eenshot5op.jpg Thank God. But I didn't see a clear shot of the face...there is a possibility it's just a half-mask, though. I only see green on the top of the face. |
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Okay, I want to make this clear, is the Spiderman in the black outfit not Spiderman but some villain? When I read my newspaper this morning they posted a picture of black suited Spiderman and in the caption, "Spiderman sports a darker look. (something about coming out next year)."
I clearly don't read Spiderman. :( And the trailer, although really awesome, just added more dust to my confusion. |
Spiderman in the black outfit is still Spiderman, but the symbiote that is the black suit screws with his mind and brings out the darker side of Parker, ie: he acts more agressive and does things that Peter would otherwise be too meek to do. He's more violent in his crime-fighting, and the suit takes Parker's body 'out for a drive' when he's asleep, with the symbiote in complete control of his actions.
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So the black symbiote takes over Parker, who then fights it off, and then it mergers with Brock, who THEN becomes Venom?
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To me, Harry looks like he received some inspiration from Sam Fisher :)
And Topher looks like he's got some lazy-eye action going on in his shot. A very good teaser overall, especially considering the fact that the trailer was released so early on in the post-production process. Don't mean to be a downer for anyone, but perhaps Mary Jane will be offed in this movie, since from what I can recall, Kirsten Dunst is only contracted for 3 movies, and I don't think she has been renewed for the 2nd trilogy. And is that really Bryce Dallas Howard as Gwen Stacy? I can hardly recognize her...looks more like Elisha Cuthbert from the angle she was shown. The early SFX looked better than I had thought they were; Sandman looked impressive, though fairly Mummy-like. There is still work to be done on the symbiote though, as it doesn't seem to be flowing as smoothly as it could (add in a few more frames of animation on there and it should look fine). |
I love the shot of Mary Jane lying on the ground with engagement ring next to her. ::Parker pushes her to the floor:: "You want Harry you can have him!"
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Aw man that trailer was sweet! Ahh, just I don't know how to describe my excitment for the movie! Just seeing the symbiote crawling over Spidey, heh, nice to see the speculations to be true. I wonder if they'll end off the movie with the symbiote going to Brock, leaving the 4th movie (assuming that 3 isn't the last) for Venom. Just a little less than a year!
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Off-topic to the 3rd movie but still related to Spider-man.
LOL, this is hilarious! Japanese Spider-man, from 1978! Man, the show is so ridiculus! Haha, and the music is pretty good, but so retro too. SUPAIDAA SUTINGU (Spider String)! Full Episode 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDh__...rch=spider-man Unknown 7min Clip (a Robot!): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Oak...rch=spider-man *sorry if this was mentioned before! |
funny lol. looked better then that old american one though :P
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I already know that Gwen Stacy's death is what causes Peter to tear off the symbiote in the bell tower.
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HUGE spoiler pics. Click at your own risk.
http://www.chud.com/index.php?type=news&id=7050 http://www.wireimage.com/GalleryList...l=3a&PageNum=1 |
That would be quite a swerve, but I'm pretty sure those pictures are misleading.
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Yea, I've read about that particular plot twist a while back, and I wasn't too psyched about it.
I suppose it does give Sandman some meaning to be involved in this movie, but is it really necessary? Yes, it's a way to tie him in with Spidey's life (albeit in an obviously negative way), but to me it just seems a bit forced. Though I can't see any other reason why all 3 of those characters would be in the same scene, so I guess that's the only way it can be worked out. |
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Thanks for that Simo. You know come to think of it, the spider design on the black costume there looks very similar to the spider used during his wrestling match in Spidey 1. Art department is to blame. :doh:
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The suit looks a little off-centre or something... still a pretty decent poster though.
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Because spoiler virgins might not like seeing this:
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No one ever said it was a small part, people are just assuming so since it would be a lot to fit in 1 movie.
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It's...interesting. Glad to hear that Venom will look like Venom, and not some odd 'just-for-the-movie-version' revamp. Of course, I won't put too much stock in anything yet. I will still be disappointed if they make Venom have anything more than a small cameo within the last 20 minutes of the movie. I'm a huge Venom fangirl, but that doesn't mean I want them to stink up the film by cramming too much into one film. They better leave the ending wide open for a Venom vs. Spidey-centered sequel :annoyed:... |
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However, I would like a more toned down Venom. When it comes to appearance I mean. It would be a lot more fitting for the new Brock. He doesn't have to be a hulking figure for it to work, and it would probably be more "believable" if he wasn't so muscular. |
Here are some pics of the other posters (from AICN)
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Darnit, I can't make out anything on that .gif. Looks like he is on all fours. :lolsign:
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Bryce Dallas Howard somehow gives me the creeps as Gwen. I'm not sure why.
Looks like it's off to find a better-quality image of Venom. |
This movie looks really awesome! The graphics too, and woohoo...Venom!
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Goddamnit, why'd the gif have to be such shitty quality. Hopefully an official teaser will be released soon, because it looks quite awesome.
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God I hope there's not a Carnage. I really, really hope there isn't.
Venom is kinda iffy. I thought in the comics Spiderman never really beats Venom, and Carnage came along to make them join together. I've never really read the comics, either though, and heard this all by word of mouth. |
Sure, Sandman, Venom, Green Goblin II, Carnage and then Green Goblin I, risen from the dead ... Doc Ock and Kraven will show up in the Cliffhanger. ;)
No seriously, even though I appreciated the one-supervillain-at-a-time approach in the first two movies, I'm confident Raimi and his crew can make this work. The groundwork for the new Goblin is already there, Venom's powers are more or less a byproduct of some changes Spidey goes through, so there's really just the Sandman where they have to go at lengths to explore an origin. And weaving in enough screen time for their civil backgrounds shouldn't be too hard, right? |
Spiderman 3 : Teaser 2 (from Comic-con) with (camera quality)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/bbpfb3 (you need flv player) or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqqQ0F4OEys(closer) |
Damn so hard to even see anything, but the music was good =]
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Fans attending the Comic-Con convention in San Diego Saturday were treated to a look at footage from next summer's Spider-Man 3 that included both animated and live-action scenes. They also were able to talk to Director Sam Raimi, producer Laura Ziskin and stars Tobey Maguire, Kirsten Dunst, Topher Grace, Bryce Dallas Howard and Thomas Haden Church. Maguire's suggestion that Spider-Man 3 will not become the final installment in the franchise was greeted with thunderous applause. "We're going to leave it open-ended," he said, "If there are stories worth telling, then we'll tell them." |
I thought we already knew that? The big question was whether it'll have the same guys, not the possiblity of other Spider-Man movies.
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I do hope though, that this would go for both, cast and crew. The Lethal Weapon series for example would not have aged nearly as well as it did, if Donner and Silver had left at some point.
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I'd agree to some point about the declining quality of these sequels but I'd still rather watch LW4 three times in a row than ever revisit Terminator 3.
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Sorry for adding to off-topic but I LOVED LW4, Rock and Pesci together was hillarious =]
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With all the stereotypes going on in LW4, I couldn't enjoy the flick on any level whatsoever. As for Terminator, I like to think that it ended then and there at T2.
In other news, Spidey 3 is a GO at IMAX. ;-) http://superherohype.com/news/spider...ws.php?id=4564 |
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I saw that poster on IMDB. I'm somewhat in disbelief that it's either legit (though I'm also too damned lazy to check on the offical Spider-Man site) or anything from the movie it's, given that I've seen blind plumbers create better photoshop effects than that.
That awful, crappy "Superman" pose that was supposedly a Spider-Man 3 poster only enforces this idea. I'll chalk it up as an overenthusiastic fanboy with a complete lack of artistic talent. And in other news - Zatoichi is fucking awesome, Worm. |
That's from a wallpaper on the official site. It's legit, despite the terrible photoshopping. The tendrils look like they're in a different dimension than the face.
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I pulled that from the Film Force section at IGN (or whatever it is). There's another of Emo Peter pulling his jacket to unveil the Venom suit. Did the Symbiote ever have a green tint to it? That throws me off, because in the animated series it had a purple tint to it. I'm glad other people recognize Zatoichi besides myself. Now that you guys are talking Photoshop, I must admit the blending of the tendrils to the face is total ass.
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LeHah, maybe we should just make a thread devoted to the most badass movie posters. Too bad John Singer Sargent isn't around to blow everybody's mind making the most badass movie poster character portraits ever. Back to Spidey though... have they wrapped shooting and moved to post production? |
according to IMDB as of the 5th, they're in post-production.
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I'll have to agree with everyone about the bad quality of the official Venom poster. Funny thing is I had never even paid attention to the bad overlapping job prior to reading the posts on here.
Thanks for opening my eyes...I think. I saw over at the superherohype forums, that they were discussing how in that picture, you can faintly make out the emblem on Venom's chest. One of the guys there brightened the pic to make it easier to spot: http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/923...1611388zw4.jpg Certainly couldn't notice that on my dark-ass monitor, so it's interesting to see. I wonder if it's just going to stay as that shade of silver, or if they'll go with the traditional white for the emblem. I couldn't make out if they showed the emblem during the Comic-Con footage, so please correct me if it is white after all. And just for kicks, here's an equally bad PS job of Carnage. Ugly, but certainly no better than the amateur quality from the poster :) http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e1...geSymbiote.gif |
Has anyone been reading on any of the plot spoilers about Sandman?
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I doubt it. The eyes are too cartoonish, and the muscles are simply too out of proportion. And don't get me started on the ass. :/
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It looks like they almost used the same body structure as the hulk's. I can't wait to see the gif's people come up with =p
And its not that his mouth is too big, his jaw is huge, its popped out like bubba's from forest gump. Whatever the final result will be I think we can expect a different look for venom so that it will fit with the movie. Just like they did with the green goblin. |
Apparently these are character designs for the game. Venom's design definitely looks like it'd be from the movie (the webbing feature on the outfit, gives it away), while the Harry GG seems out of place. I mean the snowboarder look makes he appear like more of a common punk/thug, than the menacing Goblin.
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Wasn't there supposed to be a new trailer out soon? I thought they played one the other night during RW/RR The Duel, but I didn't watch it.
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Oh yea, I read that there's going to be a new trailer shown during the previews for Casino Royale.
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i thought it was suppose to air on comedy central after south park for some odd reason.
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I've heard that Harry isn't supposed to be a Goblin in this film, hence why his costume isn't like his father's.
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its not only comedy central and mtv that are airing the trailer, it seems everyone is making a huge deal of it
The television networks airing the new trailer include BET, CBS, Comedy Central, Logo, MTV, MTV2, Spike TV and VH1, with each supporting the event with custom promotions both on-air and online. A total of 14 online destinations from Viacom's networks are supporting the airing of the trailer, including AddictingGames.com, AddictingClips.com, BET.com, MTV.com, IFILM.com, Nick.com, ComedyCentral.com, GameTrailers.com, LOGOonline.com, Neopets.com, SpikeTV.com, The-N.com, VH1.com, and Xfire.com. http://comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=17435 do I smell venom appearance o-o |
I think Spiderman is the best franchise yet...so hopefully they will continue the great movies!
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Sandman and Venom are cool, but I was never a big fan of either.
I want to see Mysterio and the Lizard more than any other villains. It's great that they already covered the Green Goblin and Dr. Octopus in the first two movies, but come on, do something with Dr. Connors already. |
The trailer comes out tomorrow. I'll probably check it out on Apple's homepage.
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just saw the new trailer and it looked badass. It should be up shortly on http://www.ifilm.com/
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Trailers up! It may not work for some people. It took me a couple of tries.
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I just saw it on Comedy Central. There is no doubt whatsoever that this will be the absolute best movie of 2007. Black Spidey is just fantastic.
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Damn that was awesome, Black spidy looks huge too. Too bad no Venom shots but man this rocked.
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A little overblown but still pretty good. I'm about as interested in the whole Venom aspect of the story as I am watching bathroom paint peel but I'll run with it after the excellence that was the last Spider-Man installment.
Harry Osborne may prove disappointing though. I don't think they have the character's best moments in mind from what this trailer has shown. |
I guess I fall in the category of difficult to please but after watching the trailer, the CGI for the symbiote actually turned out worse than before. I suppose it's a matter of budget, that's what happens when you put not 1, 2 or 3 but 4 villians in the flick. However still look forward as to how Venom will turn out. :eyebrow:
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Bruce Campbell? I'd pay to see that. Well, I'd pay to see this movie anyway, but I'd be even happier to pay if Bruce Campbell has a speaking role.
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Bruce has been cast as a restaurant maitre'd, so unless he also happens to be Mysterio, I don't think that's happening.
The movie looks great, and I'm really hoping they save Venom for the fourth film, save a minor snippet or introduction at the end of #3, since it already has enough to fit in. EDIT: Ayos, Bruce has had speaking roles in both Spidey 1 and 2, and this will likely also include a few lines, usually the best in the whole movie if the past is any indication. |
That looked so badass (the trailer). That black suit sure does make him a badass.
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That's Venom from the game, supposedly. It was posted on the last page.
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Aw man, looks great! But I really don't like Harry's outfit, I guess it's really more the glider design than anything (heh, though it's kinda neat if it think of it as a hoverboard). Also, I love how they showed more of scenes of Peter's evil side as he's gradually getting consumed by the suit.
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Sorry for being a "Venom fan," but I like how that aspect of the story is starting to turn out. However, I don't want Venom to be in this movie, with all the other stuff that's going on. If he's just shown at the end, that's enough for me.
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Odds are the CGI scenes will be polished up, but for the most part, I was impressed. The trailer as a whole blew me away. I absolutely love the first two movies. I felt Raimi did an excellent job on both and will succeed once again with the third installment.
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That footage was already in the ComicCon trailer but damn, it looks better than camera phone footage. >.> Great find, KCJ506!
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Certainy a nice find, looks as if the image of Venom from the videogame is a spot on match with the trailer posted above.
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I was able to catch the trailer and it looked very interesting. Alot of the cgi is obviously under construction sort of speak, but it is enough to keep me waiting till the movie comes out.
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Is this just a teaser or is symbiot spidey seriously going to be just a black paintover? As far as I remember from the Amazing Spiderman comics he had a different logo and ofcourse, a different suit. That was a long time ago but i'm pretty sure about it.
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This movie is going to rock! The trailer was orgasmic (Can I use that word...?)...
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There's one thing I still don't get though. Why is his name spelled Spider-Man instead of Spiderman? I mean, Batman is still called Batman without any seperation. |
Spider-Man was actually made with the hyphen (i.e. the original comics books uses it), so those not using the hyphen are blasphemous!
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Yeah I know, but it's still a bit odd when compared to the name Batman for example.
But since everything Spider-Man is awesomeness, I will bow down to the hyphen. All hail hyphen! |
I personally wasn't impressed at all with the trailer. It just feels a bit too similar to Spider-Man 2 in the direction it's going and I also felt that they spoiled too much of the plot.
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http://img450.imageshack.us/img450/3628/vvmt4vk0.jpg http://img322.imageshack.us/img322/6...2fd3rt1ve7.jpg There are a few more pics, but the site I got them from image shack links went down due to high bandwidth, any got any links. |
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I can't believe that its only 5 more months till thing movie comes out. I am soooo pumped for it. I have loved Spider-Man all my life and I love these movies even more!
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Lookey what I found, has anyone heard this???? EDIT Reuploaded the track (file was too big, so lowered the quality), its the Spidey theme but its slowed and throughout the track has a ticking, guess its emphasizing 'time' and the theme is slowed down. Is time running out for Spidey, or is another character going to die?!? Also the file name is labelled "incomplete" - this is how I found it on the server, which has since gone down ??!? I renamed it *.mp3 but its actually a wma no protection. so change the mp3 part to wma if you have problems running it. Can't seem to find those extra Spidey photos, imageshack still wont show it. heres the link, anyone seen any new shots on the net http://www.superherohype.com/forums/...d.php?t=259513 |
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Medicom is making some RAH Spider-Man 3 figures. Sideshow Toys (distributor for em) has Spidey, Black Suit Spidey, and Venom up for pre-order. Assuming that the Venom pictured is the final design for him, I'm dissapointed they didn't keep the white arachnid on the him. Venom's whole mouth/jaw seems a little awkward too.
http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/7...ss01001ea8.jpg Venom: http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/c...27&affiliate=1 Spidey: http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/c...28&affiliate=1 Black Suit Spidey: http://www.sideshowtoy.com/cgi-bin/c...29&affiliate=1 |
I saw that today. I'm slightly dissapointed. Just slightly. I always found the big white spider logo tatooed across his body to be symbolic. Sure, it's better than the spider-less Venom from Ultimate Spider-Man (though I hear he eventually gets the white symbol too), but the lack of an emblem here makes him look a little....Carnage-like.
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Yeah, I was about to say that the new Venom design flows nicely from the current Spider-Man suit.
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I agree. I have no problem having them make the change, especially when blue and white can look a little tacky. Its going to be cool to see the characters in action. May can't come soon enough it seems!
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I would have to say that I'm excited for this movie as well. I haven't really been reading too much about it. Unfortunately all my movie attention is going to the Transformers movie which is being released this summer.
I absolutely love the spider-man films especially the second in which doctor octopus is my favourite spiderman villian. I have no doubts in my mind that this move is going to be good. The only fear I have about it, is I hope they don't match up spiderman against three villians during the entire movie. If it was up to me I would have him go against sandman and harry osbourne, and then after venom was created; just end the movie. I just think the entire spiderman-venom rivalry deserves a movie by itself and it seems like they're cramming in a lot of plot with this movie. I'm sure they'll do a good job with it. Despite, whatever they do with the movie I'll still enjoy it regardless, and I personally think the designs are taking the right direction. |
For those who love the trailer music to the last Spider-Man 3 trailer, a link to full 3:07 version below (not the 30 sec preview that you can find here)! It's called "Trinity", composed specifically for the SM3 trailer(s) by James Dooley. Enjoy!
http://gtkilla.podbean.com/2006/12/0...-james-dooley/ |
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A look at the SM3 figures from Hasbro at Toy Fair 2007. These look kinda crappy and they're supposed to be 5" tall, smaller than the previous SM movie lines which were about 7". And of course, they all seem to be plagued with action features.
http://74.52.193.82/events/main.php?g2_itemId=3200 For some reason they've included Green Goblin and Doc Ock in the line, probably to make up for the smaller scale though. Interestingly, Scorpion, Rhino and the Lizard are included in the line up as well. The Scorpion and Rhino designs look like crap, but the Lizard... one might question whether he'll appear in the movie as the figure's detail and design hint at it (clearly looking more like something we'd see in the SM movies). |
The Scorpion design is from the reboot of Amazing Spider-Man in 2000, which was used in the video game based on the first movie.
The Rhino outfit was Hulkbuster armor used once, but is more well-known for being used in the Ultimate line at Marvel. That same design was used in the video game based on the second movie. Lizard seems to be a mixture of the Ultimate and regular versions of the character and hasn't appeared in either game. Perhaps he'll be in the Spider-Man 3 game? |
I don't know if you guys have been watching Heroes or not, (you should be!)
but there will be new Spider-Man 3 footage shown this Monday March 5. Sometime during the showing of Heroes on Monday, they'll show a 1 minute clip of never before seen footage from Spider-Man 3. Then exclusively on nbc.com, for 24 hours, they'll have a 7 and a half minute preview streamed in HD source: http://nbcumv.com/entertainment/rele...5manmeets.html |
http://www.nbc.com/Spiderman/
Note: Click only ONE of the choices (480p & 720p), only ONCE. it is downloading in the background and then opens the video ONCE IT'S ALL DONE (which can take a while). clicking multiple times could screw up your loading. if your computer isn't all that good, to be safe watch the 480p version first as it's less system intensive, and you aren't risking having to wait to download it again if the 720p version can't play. |
Just watched it, showed the first Peter vs. GG Harry (well in the suit anyway) fight, which was pretty good. Though, I was hoping they would have showed some Sandman vs Spidey sequences. Nice little flash of Venom at the end (official this time) of the preview though, plus a quick flash of a huge Sandman.
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If you guys have a download manager or something, here are the links to the mov files. 720p: http://flash.sonypictures.com/video/...p_5000kbps.mov 480p: http://flash.sonypictures.com/video/...p_4000kbps.mov |
So I'm ridiculosly cised right now... the whole heartbeat-racing/sweating/mind-blown thing. :tpg:
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the new wonder-con 07 trailer was shown with 300. The trailer was awesome but I can't find it online. Anyone know where it is for download?
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I can't shake the fact that Venom is skinny... Makes him look like a poor Alien rip-off. But hey, I guess you can't have it all. Still looking forward to this movie a lot.
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Seeing that a couple days ago made me wish they just CGed Venom from the start.
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The third trailer is finally out on the web which mostly involves Eddie.
This was the actual trailer they showed during the previews of the 300 movie. http://movie-list.com/s/spider-man3-trl3.html |
Select short clips from the movie available for viewing at IGN.com, such as the subway scene with Spidey vs Sandman, and the construction crane scene with Spidey and Gwen.
http://media.movies.ign.com/media/04...73/vids_1.html Also here's a pretty good image of Venom: http://i12.tinypic.com/349fhpe.jpg http://www.superherohype.com/news/topnews.php?id=5549 EDIT: Oh, there's also a new TV spot featuring Venom, revealing much more footage of him, perhaps too much even.... http://www.superherohype.com/news.php?id=5553 |
The movie wasn't bad. The action was incredible, and it was certainly action-packed. I only had one or two major issues with it.
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I loved the movie! Though there were some funky plot holes (like one Drex mentioned already, that was the biggest WTF moment for me), the action definitely delivered for me. Though I really was expecting a lot more black suit Spidey action than just black suit Parker. LOL, but I thought it was ridiculously hilarious when the showed the effects of symbiote on Parker's life.
Loved the movie's final battle even though it seemed a little corny at times. Oh and Bruce Campbell's cameo for this one was great! LOL, and Jonah's bit this time was hilarious, kept LMAO. I thought Stan Lee's cameo in this was much better than the previous, where he was only in for a few seconds to pull somebody away. The CG looked pretty good too, though Venom looked kinda cartoony at times. Oh and I really liked the score for this one, personally I thought it was a lot better than the previous films (namely the symbiote/black-suit theme). Anyway, overall I agreed with many of the critics that mentioned that there were just too many villains/story for one movie. As some characters definitely didn't get the development they deserved *cough* Venom *cough*. Just not enough black suit Spidey or Venom. BTW, did anyone else feel like the addition of the Stacy's seemed like a complete waste and was only done to please fanboys (or maybe anger them)? |
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Yeah well, the music is by Christopher Young with cues from Elfman. So technically he worked with Young on the third film although he did not compose anything for the movie. Anyway, on Spiderman 2 I belive Young and Debney had to complete the movie score. Even though Elfman did release a soundtrack, some of the tracks were never used and were replaced by Young dans Debney's tracks.
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I didn't mind the movie so much, but I wouldn't reccomend seeing it in an IMAX. IMAX theatres are good for movies that are made to be shown there, but I found myself getting dizzy and disoriented during the fight scenes in Spiderman... they're too fast and they cut to different camera angles so fast that you can't even keep your bearings. It's a little bit confusing.
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Just seen it and I gotta say from the moment Spiderman turns to an emo, pretty much the rest of the film besides the effects became a laughing stock imo. Sorry to the fans, but it's the most lol bad comic book film I've seen since the last Blade movie, surely you have to admit the generally emo attitude of the film trilogy compared to everything else representing Spiderman showing him as a bit of a joker gets just a little bit annoying, which I'm pretty sure is also what pissed off the viewers WolfDemon.
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What you mean I have to elaborate? :rolleyes: the script wasn't exactly gold to begin with, but given their average performances here they'd easily fit the roles better. James just has a mischievous streak to him that Tobey lacks which was always something that made Spiderman more interesting as a character, then again it's not entirely the actors to blame here I'll give you that.
how to sum up the difference... something like...: comic spiderman: being a superhero is tough *Whine, complain*... lol that guy has 6 arms... oh fuck that's one of my teachers... film spiderman: being a superhero is tough... *angst, whine, wrath, unintentional funny awkward moment* |
I found the song played during the Emo Spider-Man Strut montage from the movie, it's called "People Get Up And Drive Your Funky Soul" by James Brown, it's really similar to the spider-man 1967 theme song in certain parts (especially around 4:08)!
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=TZFEED9Z http://rapidshare.com/files/30287065..._-jce.mp3.html |
What a shit movie. It's obvious that Raimi was a fanboy for Sandman at the expense of Venom, so we get Marko's absolute irrelevance. The movie would've been tighter if just Harry and Venom were used.
Tobey is still a ugly fucker who should be spending more of the movie in a superhero costume, but at least the strained faces were kept to a minimum. but hey peter hitler lol http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t...8598353531.gif |
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They had waaaay too much fun making this movie, felt like they drop a tonne of smelly cheese. LOL whats the deal with the american flag scene, that was way over the top. Main problem as probably most of you feel, too many characters in the movie, did they really need the sandman in the movie. No not really, they could of started the movie towards the end on the movie instead. And whats the deal with making Venom the biggest pussy villian. I was expecting Spidey to get his ass seriously wooped. :gonk: Best character was Harry by far, he had the best lines, and did the best acting. Anyway enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azGhHh9mV_Q |
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I missed seeing this opening weekend, and in a way I'm glad. Having had to endure the lackluster reviews and internet backlash for several days lowered my expectations. As a result, I knew about some of the sillier moments before they happened, and was able to appreciate what was done right that much more. Not nearly as bad a film as individuals made it out to be. It amazes how cynical people (even on the interweb) are at times. Oh and a note The Furious One: You didn't notice the blatant American flag placement in the first two films?
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I would also like to add that this movie needed more action, and less... whatever there is besides action in life... and also... the CGI was disappointing at certain points. Like, there were times where I could totally see Tobey's head real head attached to a CGI Spidey body. Also, I very much disliked how Venom "de-faced" everytime he talked (save for the first time Venom and Sandman meet). I would've rather seen Venom speak ("We!") instead of stupid Topher and his lame fake teeth every few minutes at the end.
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It seems as if people forget how cheesy the comics books are. While I would be up for a discussion about why Spider-Man is the worst superhero of the collective famous, I must say that for the most part, the films are done fairly in-line with the comics. While Spider-Man 3 may be a bit more over the top than the previous two, I don't really see too much of an issue with that. Much of the difference between Spider-Man and other comic superheros is that Peter Parker is a teenager, so it's only given that many of the film's issues are teen or young adult oriented. Moreover, Spider-Man is known for stupid one-liners and pseudo-intellectual quips, especially from Parker. But you're right, James Franco's character did the best (read: cheesiest) acting of the lot; I particularly liked the one-liners: "You like peppers?" "It's so good!" "Am I interrupting?" Also, there's an American Flag scene is every Spider-Man film. The end of the first shows Parker webbing off a flag pole holding nothing but a gigantic US Flag. The second film ends with him webbing off into the sunset amid a row of buildings with a myriad of US Flags. So, it only makes sense that the third ends with him coming to kick ass with the US Flag as a backdrop. Don't go into it expecting some serious drama film, since Spider-Man is anything but in nature. |
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I'm not into Spider-Man very much, so could someone please explain how he took pictures of himself before having a relationship with Mary Jane (who seemed to shoot them for him)? Could be that it was explained in the previous movies but I can't really remember the first one.
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Spider-Man 3 was complete garbage!
I knew it wouldn't be as good at the first two when they revealed the casting choices and character selections for the movie in Jan 2006. And boy was I right but never did I think that it would be this bad. To be quite honest I don't know where to begin, Okay they crammed three bad guys into this movie: Harry Osbourne who of course takes up the mantle of the Green Goblin to exact revenge on Peter Parker / Spider-Man for the death of his father. Then we have an angst ridden version of the Sandman another of Spider-Man's staple villains from the comic-book. Finally there was the much hyped Venom, who is a great character in the book but on screen is a load of crap; Amateurish CGI and a ridiculous "origin" plot cement the big-screen Venom as the worst move ever made by Raimi. With that lot there I was half-expecting Hobgoblin, Kraven, Vulture, Scorpion, Shocker and Rhino to turn up as well. The plot of this movie veered so far off course from the comic-book that it didn't seem like a Spidey flick at all. The obvious love that Raimi had for Spider-Man's established lore showed in the care care and attention to the characters of the first 2 films, but this was in no-way evident on screen. Gwen Stacy shouldn't have been here at all, Eddie Brock should be a 6-foot football jock not a Daily Bugle photographer, and the whole Uncle-Ben-was-actually-killed-by-Marko was quite frankly insane and detracted from the whole "With great power..." lesson that Peter learned as the guy that escaped now didn't likk Ben!!! The origin of Venom I may have lived with if it had sped up the film and they hadn't introduced the astronaut John Jameson in Spider-Man 2 who should have brought the Venom symbiont to Earth thus ruining a perfect already established plot device. The movie was far too long by about 25 mins, Raimi tried to pile too much on here. He had two new villains who needed origins, motivations and alter-ego's. One villain too many I say, either Sandman or Venom should have been chucked during the editing of the script especially if they were intent on exploring Harry Osbourne/Green Goblin, thus eliminating their origins and alter ego storyline as well. Gwen Stacy/Captain Stacy had no business really in the film they could have been cut too. There wasn't enough Daily Bugle/J. Jonah Jameson scenes and the snappy dialogue crafted for J.K. Simmons in the previous movies was absent here, it was like a character trying to be J.J. but not hitting the mark, it would have made more sense to have a J.J. hell-bent on tracking down the new black-suited-wall-crawling menace. All those changes may have made the movie less of a mess and less disjointed as opposed to watching Peter, Mary Jane, Harry, Sandman and Venom's mediocre storylines converge in a climax that while spectacular- I had lost interest about 45 minutes earlier and just didn't give a shit at that stage. James Franco seemed to be the only person even trying to act on screen, how fitting it is then for in a film like this that he dies. Another major problem is that they cast Bryce Dallas Howard as Gwen Stacy who unfortunately is a superior actress (with a superior bod) to Kirsten Dunst, it's unbelievable for Peter not to dump Mary Jane for Gwen. Dunst carried it off well for the previous two movies but her on-screen charisma is nothing in comparison to Howard. Thomas Hayden Church has come a long way from the village-idiot Lowell on the sit-com Wings but fails to impact as this over-dramatized Sandman. Topher Grace is an excellent comedy actor and his performance here should remind him to stay with the comedy genre. The best thing about this film wasn't even J.K. Simmons this time round, it was the amazing Bruce Campbell in a 2 minute cameo as a "French" waiter who easily stole the show. Final word: Sam Raimi has turned what should have been an awesome trilogy to rank up there with Indy, LOTR and Terminator but has soiled the franchise with this excrement even worse then Brett Ratner did with X:3. |
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