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Japan to ban internet users for file sharing
Japanese ISPs To Ban File Sharers
All I have to say is God DAMN it. If US and other nations follow suit, I'll be quite upset. Do you think this will happen here? If so, what things do you think will be private enough to get away with? mIRC? FTP's? Or will we have to resort to something else? Or will we actually have to stop file sharing? |
This is pretty damn crazy. Definitely raised my brows once I saw it.
If anyone had the balls to take this up in the states, it'd be Comcast. Christ, I hate those guys... Anyhow, it seems pretty radical. Hope this doesn't affect how I get my animu (raws are often recordings off TV, remember). |
Winny copiers to be cut off from Internet
At least they're not suing kids and grandmothers for a bazillion dollars |
I heard about this before but I didn't think they'd actually go through with it. This may hurt the file sharing crowd over there for a little while, but I'm sure they'll find someway around it. They always do.
As far as getting raws for anime or manga (or J-pop or what have you) is concerned, there's always IRC. No one ever goes after that. |
The action still has to be initiated by the copyright holders or some enforcement agency. The ISP then sends a warning to the offender, and if successive warnings are not complied with, they cut the internet service.
And this differs from current procedure.... how? |
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Doing something so mean and cruel is so very un-Japan-like! The Japanese are supposed to be such nice people. It's something you'd only expect to see in America (but we're too free to do that!) |
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Hopefully all this won't affect the manga/anime sharing scene in the future. |
If the rest of the file sharing that goes on in the internet is anything to go by, probably not.
Course, the whole being able to see a show before buying it thing is sorta the mutant blood that the anime inudustry doesn't want to admit to having but that's a topic for another thread, another time and quite possibly another board. |
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Targeting Winny has already disrupted the distribution of high-quality Gundam 00...
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YOUR HEAD I thought it was painfully obvious to everyone here that I know and am studying Japanese. |
If you're interested on how the ISP respond to the users currently, I actually got an email not long ago for downloading off BT. Well, not me but someone using the web in my household.
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I never really expected Japan to be so retarded. And that the recording industry was behind it only enforces further that I will not buy a single CD ever until they change their ways. I'm already on three years since I bought one and proud of it.
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I can't even remember the last time I bought a CD. I love downloading because you can pick the song you like from a album of shitty songs, rather the buy the whole shabang.
I am socked with Japan's move, I am happy with the copyright laws we currently have in Canada, but as long as the U.S copyright laws continue to ban file sharing, Canada may play follow the leader (As long a Steve Harper is in control it may) |
The last cd I bought was a OST of DQ8 and that was two years back at least.
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Well this is sad news to hear, but I honestly don't think its going to strangle the flow of manga/animation. There are so many ways of getting that kind of information out. Still, sad to hear such restrictions are going up in more places now. |
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I rarely see japanese use popular internet services such as rapidshare, megaupload, or mediafire. Or maybe I'm just don't know where to find forum like this in japanese sites (the most popular is 2ch, but most of the time they talk about winny):rolleyes: |
Maybe it's because the Japanese don't like associating with foreign mouthbreathers?
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I do have to ponder why they continuously insist on isolating themselves so much.
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Hasn't anyone thought that the reason why japanese don't use file sharing programs that are popular in the US because of the language barrier? I mean, the people who look for anime or japanese music using programs in Japanese can basically be counted on one hand, so would you expect anything else from the Japanese who are, even though they like to claim the opposite, hardly be called fluent when it comes to english. I can read anything I want in English, but I still to download my manga in french if possible, it's basically a matter of preference. I laugh at Americans who claim that they are more international just because they visit websites from other countries in English. You don't see an American making an effort to understand a french or a german site, so why would you expect a Japanese to use english networks when they can get everything they want from sites in their own language?
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Because English is the International Language?
Because using international filesharing networks vastly expands the pool of resources that are available to them? The vast majority of people in the world are ok with using English as the basic language for international communication. Though I'm also willing to bet, that since nerds are already so despised and marginalized in Japan, they're already used to insulating themselves from the larger community. |
This news might have meant something 10 years ago. It simply marginalizes the way people transfer material and creates a larger, more dependant community for filesharing. Its like forcing a den of wolves into one cave.
I still hate the world of piracy but this idea is fucking laughable. |
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Let me paint a picture for you: lately I've been playing the MMO Eve Online. I've been a member of the Something Awful alliance Goonswarm practically since I've started playing, and for about a year Goonswarm has formed a powerbloc lead by Goonswarm, Red Alliance, and Tau Ceti Confederation, the latter two being Russian and French alliances, respectively.
Very few French and Russian players speak English fluently, but we've still formed a stunted system of English words for basic communication. If somebody in any alliance needs something from somebody else the message is conveyed within context. This happens all the time in international filesharing networks. People already know what they want, and can inform each other about how to get it fairly simply. Of course, even with all of that aside, it's not like there aren't language packs for any of these programs. |
Maybe me using French in one of my previous posts was a bad example, Japanese are a different case because they are simply awful at foreign languages, even someone from the Netherlands or France can speak better English than your average Japanese. How many Japanese players are there in your Western RPGs? For those who play MMORPGs like Phantasy Star or FFXI, how many Japanese players do you encounter on international servers? Just look at the number of Japanese members on any average forum compared to other foreigners, I can only think of ONE person on these forums, and she seems to have lived most, if not all of her life in the states. Japanese just like to stay in their own group, which from my experience seems to be largely because of the language barrier.
As I said in my previous post, Japanese hardly care for a lot of the stuff that we use file sharing networks for (movies, tv shows, music), unless they can somehow find it in their own language. How many dubbed movies can you find on your average torrent network, or in the various soulseek groups? The number is hardly worth going through all the trouble for, so why not use networks in your own language. I also use specialized sites when I want to download Dutch or French TV shows or movies, since they simply can't be found in their original version on so-called international networks. |
Your Japanese apologetics are pathetic. Japanese consumers had the chance to enjoy Western video games when Microsoft attempted to market the Xbox to Japan. Where was the language barrier?
How hard do you think it is to translate between English and Russian? Granted, Russians tend to stay in their own communities out of ease, but when it comes to file sharing they have no qualms with using bittorent or other networks. You can't wave away a culture which has encouraged myopia and isolationism for over a thousand years with a language barrier. A culture in which English instruction is mandatory. And no, Japanezeshorty is American, ethnic Japanese. We have posters from all over the world, and almost none of them are Japanese. Let's rephrase this in the context of an American site. If an American internet community denied membership to non-Americans, it would be appropriately ostracized and ridiculed. Yet 2chan is emulated. |
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I love Japan. Crazy tentacle rape? Fine! File sharing? Morally reprehensible!
http://www.newsarama.com/AniShorts/3...lKenSebben.jpg HA HA HA! Priorities. |
Look, this messageboard was founded by Americans with a heavy skew towards Japanese culture. We're not the norm. For the most part, people of different nationalities do tend to stay within their own groups. Have you been to Chinese forums? Indonesian forums? Swedish forums? The language barrier works both ways, you know. "Not using the English language" does not equate to "myopia and isolationism".
This whole argument on the choice of filesharing networks is laughable. Unless Japan starts firewalling all foreigners from their networks, there's no such thing as "isolation" on the internet. I have no problem accessing Japanese networks -- the software required is freely obtainable, all you need to do is learn how to use it. This is no different from the initial software acclimatization needed for FTP, Usenet, DC, IRC, whatever varieties of P2P programs available out there. Furthermore, it makes sense for them to stick to their own communities -- considering Japan's telecommunications architecture, it's like the difference between LAN and a 56kbps line to Hawaii (which also represents the proportion of the "international community" who have an interest in Japanese media). If you're actually complaining that they're making it hard for you to download tentacle porn and video game music, you're probably a few rungs lower in the hierarchy of nerddom. |
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I'm not trying to come off as fucking RTM here but does anyone else remember shit like fucking around on Telnet? Theres some kind of disconnect between the people in their late twenties and people in their early twenties and younger. Its as if people my age didn't pass anything down in terms of how to use the internet as a fucking tool beyond Google or Altavista. Yeesh. |
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Way to not read my post, Fatman who ate Jake
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HA HA HA. Up. |
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The point is that the Japanese using their own networks outside of the wider filesharing networks can't be explained away with a language barrier, because for some reason, the Russians, using a cyrillic alphabet are perfectly fine with using international filesharing networks. |
Hey, my grandfather created computer networks to keep it out of the hands of those commie bastards! :mad:
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Well the question or something to that effect was if we had that many Japanese users and you're like the only known user who is ethnic Japanese that would be close to that.
Okay yah what Mo0 said. |
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I'm a facist? We faught Nazis together - or are you so quick to say something you forgot we're the Capitalists? :)
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To that note, I don't know if I apply to the example Peter has given... I am of Japanese origin by blood, but I was born and raised here. I was born into, and raised in a community of maybe 60-70% of the population being Japanese or at least Japanese-American decent. But that was back in the 80's. After the stock market crash of 1990 (or was it 91/92? I forget), the environment of that particular community drastically changed. All the Japanese business men who came here with their families for business moved back, and the Japaense School I attended almost went bankrupt (just to give you an idea of how drastic a change was, in my first grade year there were 2 classes of kids of about 30 students each in my same grade. By the time I graduated 6th grade, there were 7 of us from the same class). Yes, it's true most Japanese people stick to their own kind, and I can think of few little old ladies living in Gardena, CA whom have immigrated here 40 years ago and still can live here in the states without having to speak a dime of English. I can vouch for some truth in that. But that's also true for a lot of Mexican, Taiwanese, Korean, Chinese, Indonesian, Indian, and any other ethnic groups out there who live in America, bring their own culture, and still live in it as if they are living in their own country. With that said, I don't think it's fair in the argument that Japanese are the only people who "don't change." Bigblah has already demonstrated this argument I think, so I'll end my statement here. |
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NO. Any network that is connected to the Internet is inherently international. You think accessing a bittorrent tracker hosted on a server in Chicago is, in topological terms, any different from connecting to Winny nodes in Tokyo? You think Japanese P2P software is inaccessible because you can't read "Nipponjin gobbledy-gook"? There's an english language pack for Share. You think they don't index and publish their resources publicly? There's hashdb. Why piggyback on a foreign filesharing network when they have successful, homegrown solutions which guarantee much faster speeds due to the geographical proximity of connected peers? |
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Sorry for dragging you into this Shorty, you're the only member I could think of who had a link to Japan, aside from the otaku. |
Golly, why would they ever want to expand their resources from hundreds of thousands to millions of people? Man explain to me why this is so hard to understand.
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Since you're so obssessed with BT, ever been to DMHY? Or Greedland? These are just some of the Chinese bittorrent networks that predominantly focus on Japanese media, and they frequently get crossposted to Western trackers. In case you're wondering, yes, a lot of the sharers there are Japanese too.
Now shut the fuck up and learn how to use Google. Also 1mbps seems a little slow, how about 100mbps? Jesus, you're just talking out of your ass now. |
I don't see that happening in America because I remember reading somewhere that the RIAA wants to charge some 5 dollar tax to ISPs (which will more than likely funnel down to the users) and let people file share/music share as much as they want.
Trent Reznor: Why won't people pay $5? | Tech news blog - CNET News.com So basically..the RIAA is saying, for 5 fucking dollars, pirate as much shit as you want! |
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On the note that Japanese are totally exclusively secluding themselves to only their culture, that's not entirely true either. :3 I count 2 types of Japanese exchange students: those who come here on daddy's allowance because they fucking can (these are the ones that go to Santa Monica College, live with Japanese roommates, work under the table at Japanese restaurants in the area, and leech/borrow Japanese TV shows and watch them exclusively), and those who come here actually wanting to study the language and the culture (i.e., those that go study in places like KENTUCKY, ALABAMA, WISCONSIN, to give an example -- but that's not to say ALL Japanese exchange students studying in California aren't like that too, it's just California easily just has most feasibily easy access back to the home country, culture, FOOD most importantly, just because we have a lot of 2nd, 3rd, 4th, even 5th generations that have kept the old Japanese-American tradition alive). I think you guys just scared most of them away from our forums since we all have a tendancy to bash them quite hard when they finally decide to speak up. But whatevers, I'm talking culture in a thread discussing Networking technology. I'll shut up. :tpg: |
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Yeah I think they should just ban the rest of the world's internet or pieces of it that they don't agree with.
It's working great for China. I think we can all learn happy lesson. |
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I'm sure you know how bittorrent works -- a critical mass of peers is necessary for it to function as intended, otherwise you're left with a bunch of primary seeders who get saddled with the bulk of uploading duties while leechers drop in and out. Moving to an "international filesharing network" isn't going to bring about a magical influx of "millions" of peer resources or this jump in throughput that you speak of. Native english speakers who have no knowledge nor interest in a foreign language (particularly Asian languages) have little practical use for these media. Out of the 10,000 kids who download weekly subs of Nipponjin Gobbledygook only a handful of them have any adequate command of the language to peruse raws. And practically none will contribute original media for obvious reasons. Stop and think about it -- any filesharing community concentrating on a particular specialized media will congregate where the speed and resources are. You're not getting much additional input by "internationalizing" the network (which you apparently define as "shifting to an English language bittorrent tracker hosted outside Asia"), and you're certainly not getting your filez any faster. The 100Mbps network speeds I mentioned are indeed intra-Japan -- intercontinental cables are obviously even faster, but the speeds grind to a halt once you reach the "last mile" connections around most of the world. For that reason local P2P will always be several orders of magnitude faster than what an international fellowship of nerds armed with uTorrent can push through their dinky pipes. This difference in local networking architecture is why Slit-Eye Short-Dick will not enjoy the same returns shifting to western BT trackers as the Russian filesharers you mentioned, and are vastly better off sticking to networks in their own geographical proximity. There are plenty of other factors we could go into (like anonymity, software and trading practices), but this is the most practical one worth mentioning. It's a simple cost-benefit. No need to even argue about language barriers. |
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The evil comcast already does it. Rogers in canada too!
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While so much of this thread is debating over the Japanese use of primarily one download tool, I'm still kind of confused. Is Winny used so much over other apps that simply stopping that medium alone will fix file sharing problems, or are Japanese ISPs simply ignorant to the other common file sharing mediums? |
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