China may change 'one child' population policy
 

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So China may be stopping the one child policy, thanks to the policy there would have been 400 millon more people in the country.

Stopping the policy would mean less forced abortions and help stop the gender imbalance because of the old tradion of baby boys are better the girls.

However it would mean that the population will climb again, there is already more then 1 billion people there, is there really enough room and resources for more?

There is definitely no room for more. They should have a policy of no kids for 20 years. The population is still growing and if the one child policy remains, the population will still increase until the year 2050, then start seeing a decline.

If it wasn't for Mao Zedong and his "have as many babies as you can" policy 40 years ago, the population of China would be about half of what it is.... grrr...

You propose to eliminate an entire generation of Chinese?

Congratulations. You've just come up with what may be the second most vile idea this board has ever seen.

Really? Wicked. I guess its my first time being insensitively cruel. Strike one I guess. :(

Seriously though, they need to stick with the one child rule, otherwise things will get worse in terms of resource restraints, and room for population.

The world could handle a lot more people. The biggest problem is that one human takes up space and resources, which limits the amount of sustainable population. So, as a result, the world cannot hold as much. If China were to remove their limit of one child, it would further strain the world demand as a whole.

In terms of interest, what would be the most vile idea so far?

Night Phoenix's first post?

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You know, the whole overpopulation issue is vexed. You understand one could fit the entire world population the 5 largest U.S. states and it'd still be cozier than Japan? With that in mind, the problem seems to be structures and institutions, not people.

The 1 child policy was a result of Deng Xiaoping's mistaken conclusion that low birthrates are a cause of affluence instead of the result of it. The issue has never been about overpopulation for China in any realistic terms. Quite simply, the hundreds of millions of Chinese that could have been alive today (or at least exist within the system) are a resource lost to China forever. The whole policy has been criminally stupid from the get-go.

I'm not quite familiar with the particulars of this policy. What if a family happens to conceive a second child? Is it aborted, or are there other consequences for the entire family?

As for as I know, if the government finds out about having two kids, you have to pay the government a sum of money, and possibly other requirements.

There is a penalty fee for having a second or third child, but rich parents have the kids anyway knowing that they can afford the fee.

Some areas can have two children, with the first child anything goes, but if it is a girl, they often do what ever it takes to make sure the second one is a boy by having a abortion. Some parents will have the birth at home so that it will go unreported and abandon the girl somewhere and then try again.

China needs to grow out of the 'boys are better' stage.

That's hard to do for a country with a vast amount of farmers, but the boys before girls mentality is highly overstated, and isn't nearly as bad as it is in India, which despite having no formal birth limit policy still has a gender discrepancy.

The gender discrepancy on paper is solely the fault of the CCP.

So, wait. What happens if they have twins...? Loophole? Or coin toss to see which you get to keep?

Contrary to reports, a lot of Chinese actually do love their children! Who knows, they might even keep both twins!

I remember speaking to a fellow in high school about this who was from China. He mentioned that this law is pretty easily ignored by far-off rural folk who sometimes have children that don't even end up on paperwork. This is from one guy's point of view, but he was a pretty sharp fella.

Second most vile? Which idea took the top?

In any case the times when I've visited China and I've met with friends and family I've noticed that despite what people say about bending the rules most families do sport one child. And if anything I've seen more daughters than sons thus far, the whole 'boys are better than girls' thing I'm told is bit of a previous generation thing and the younger generation doesn't hold such silly ideas. Then again I don't exactly have numbers to back up this anecdotal account so the truth still maybe otherwise.

Most of the people who are in the mind-set of 'boys are better then girls' live in the far-off rural areas, it dosn't suprise me the city folk and the younger generation know better.

I have always wanted to say to the older-rural folks "If everyone had sons, who are the straight ones gonna marry? Daughters are important if you want your family to continue"

I'm inclined to believe that it was something put forth by Simply. That's just a guess though.

The issue is closed. China has decided not to change their one-child population policy.

Man, that's a hell of a demographic time bomb they're gonna face down the line. Not to mention they're gonna be a nation full of old fogies and sexually frustrated men :3:

Eugenics: The cure for the common man.

A better idea would be to simply allow them to overpopulate and then place the Russian and American military on all their land-based borders to prevent a mass exodus.

You're a couple of centuries too late for that...

If I may be so bold, may I inquire what the first one was?

Since you asked, it was Miss Chibi Neko's bright idea on how to save the world's resources and stop global warming by cutting the world's human population in half.

Nothing like harsh reality huh? More people means less resources, have fewer children means more food to go around. Cruel but true.

The heinous point wasn't that it's true. It's obviously true. The problem is that when faced with how to feed the world, your immediate reaction is to kill billions of people. It's not that there isn't logic to it, it's that you're a fucking prat.

What I find funny is the fact that I never mentioned 'killing people' at all. If the world population was half of what it is now, we would not have a real problem with resources. Population control can be achieved by have only 1 or 2 kids, and in due time the population will go down slowly, or at least grow slowly then what it is now.

Yeah, and do you know how population control happens? The things that happen in places like China? Such as child murder? You know, killing people? So your pretty little idea amounts to murder. Deal with this and move on. I mean, if you want to be ok with genocide, that's your thing. But stop pretending like it's something it's not.

What Neko did not get is that the boys actually help out in the farms.

But hey, if there's problem in space, why not send them all to Canada? We could afford filling the vast landscape with more Chinese.

I am aware of the child murders, the main reason why murders happen in China is due to gender preference, if people could be happy with the gender that they get, it would be nice, but we all know that it's not gonna happen.

The idea of population control being achieved by people having 1 or 2 kids and be happy about them is just that 'idealism' it would be nice, but we all know that it's not gonna happen.

lumping in forced abortions and infanticide with murder itt

Never said anything about abortions. And you're going to tell me it's not murder when they're infants? So when is it murder? When they're 3 years and 2 days?

Which resources would we not have a real problem with? Because when the world population was only three billion people and change, the third world still had a problem with access to fresh water, food and arable land, jobs, economic and social opportunity, etc.

All the same, it's not how many people you kill population control so much as who gets population controll'd. I seem to recall one of your relatives reproducing irresponsibly, what have you done to get her to stop doing that?

If you can't kill them outside the womb, why inside the womb? Not that I'm pro-life, but murder is murder.

I dunno how it works in China, but I'm glad they didn't change it.

Have to be a person for it to be murder. If you're a bundle of cells, not a living, breathing thing, you're not a person.

I'm pro-death, myself. Fetii. Kill 'em all.

Just think of how many resources we can harvest from a dead infant.

Wasn't talking to you, chumley.

But yeah, I wouldn't necessarily lump in socially forced infanticide with murder. For all intents and purposes, it's a late-term abortion unless it's been forced by the state or somebody else, which isn't what chibi neko is implying.

Though I guess it's murder if abortion services are easily available. It's a little complicated, but basically I'm saying chibi neko is kinda racist.

Oh, well. Yeah. Totally.

You know, I am quite amused how the thread evolved from China's one-child policy to ad hominem attacks on the tiny cat :p

In any case, population control is a dicey issue, though it is interesting how more people in the more educated nations tend to have fewer babies. Perhaps giving everyone a decent education is the best step towards lowering the global population!

Easier said than done, lulz

I think that there is a population issue in the world and people call me a raciest for it, I am pretty amused myself too.

No, you think there's a population issue and KILLING DARK PEOPLE is the way to solve it. That's why we call you a racist. It has nothing to do with you knowing there's a population issue. It's about being a white, suburban North Eastern girl and waving a hand and saying "cut your population in half" to a whole part of the world that depends on manpower for survival. You can't just say "stop having babies" or "Hey, just die a lot" and solve the fucking problem. THAT is why you're a racist. An incredibly ethnocentric prat at the very least.

Also, Zerg, do your reading, sir. Education isn't what stems childbirth in wealthier nations. WEALTH is. GDP goes up, childbirth goes down. Families don't need children to support them if they can afford to support themselves. Basic human development, sir.

Sigh.... dude, please re-read my posts, I never said anything about killing, or a specific country, just a idea of everyone having 1 or 2 kids, but that is idealistic so we know its not going to happen. Trying to twist what I am trying to say is only pulling this thread off topic. I am just going to end it with that.

Oh, so you were referring to the drastic overpopulation issues of Canada, the US and Western Europe, then?

The world in general, sorry if you thought otherwise.

Except you claim that the Chinese are killing their daughters because of gender preferences, which isn't true and means that these kids become adopted or unofficially raised within the family far more often than they're actually killed.

This gender discrepancy is either leaving the country, or only on paper, but you continue insisting upon these Chinese Baby Girl Murder myths as though they are true so what the Hell is wrong with you?

And yeah, mandating 1 or 2 children a household implies forced abortions, so you are basically advocating state sanctioned murder, good job you fucking idiot.

Except the world in general doesn't -have- an overpopulation problem. Rather specific parts of the world have an overpopulation problem. Mostly the dark parts. It's like saying the world has a problem with a shortage of food. No it doesn't. Parts of the world have a problem with access to food. I can walk down to the Superstore and buy me a big ol' steak whenever I want. So, either you're trying to backtrack here, or you're just a horribly simple girl who is so poorly informed it's laughable. Which one is it?

See, being ignorant doesn't bar you from ethnocentric racism.

Orly.

There is a greater correlation to "education" than "wealth", sir.

Fertility Rate against GDP per capita (Wealth)
http://upload.jetsam.org/pix/fertility-gdp.png

Fertility Rate against Gross Enrollment rates (Education)
http://upload.jetsam.org/pix/fertility-education.png


Source: Human Development Indicators

Indicators or the Index? Where are you pulling your stats from? I've seen similar notes from the HDI people, but that's it.

Look, it's simply a matter of how economically beneficial children are to the economy, it GDP or higher education doesn't matter. If you could train drones to perform menial labor for the rest of their lives it would still be to their disadvantage to have children assuming children can't be drones.

We don't have much kids because nowadays it's a lifestyle choice, whereas in an agricultural economy those extra hands are an economic necessity.

Download it yourself if you want to play around
http://hdr.undp.org/en/media/hdr_20072008_tables.zip

Economic impact of children is an entirely different story. You can argue they're a money pit nowadays, which is why people are having less.

Regardless, I think more education results in less child bearing. Since more education should result in greater income and wealth, I believe any correlation between education and wealth is caused by the indirect link.

Education's the key! :tpg:

Proposing population control is just great when you're not in the position, isn't it? I don't think anyone has the right to tell people how many kids to have. It is a choice they have to make for themselves.

But please, feel free to support the one-child policy. But be consistent and also support a policy pressuring U.S. Americans/Western Europeans to have 2-3 children each irrespective of their personal wishes, just to counterbalance the aging of the population.

This is lame. This issues directly deals with my major and I don't even have enough information to argue anything. I could take information I do know and misquote it and make an argument. "Globalization...north-south gap...IMF...evil..."

I think instead of arguing about whether the PRC changes it's policy on children, it'd be wiser to discuss how to allocate it's resources to effectively support it's large population.

If anything, China's got one hell of a demographic time bomb. That's gonna explode in a couple of generations or so.

in my opinion there will keep the status of this situtation beacuse this if they get birth for more babies there will be more kids and population will be expload
but what they do for the babies that are unwanted is dispicable murder kids or abandon the girls just beacuse they wanted boys
I'm realising that most families is living in farm and they need boys beacuse they work harder and much stornger