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Dopefish Dec 20, 2007 11:05 AM

Can't people at least pick NEWER games to emulate when they kill people?
 
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JOHNSTOWN, Colorado (AP) -- Two teens have been charged with killing the 7-year-old sister of one of them by beating her with imitations of moves from the "Mortal Kombat" video game, prosecutors said.

Lamar Roberts, 17, and Heather Trujillo, 16, were charged as adults on one count each of felony child abuse causing death, state prosecutor Robert Miller said in court documents released Wednesday and filed a day earlier.

According to a police affidavit, the teens were baby-sitting Trujillo's half-sister, Zoe Garcia, on December 6 while the girl's mother was at work.

Zoe lost consciousness and stopped breathing after the teens hit, kicked and body-slammed her, imitating moves used in the video game, the document said.

Trujillo and Roberts tried reviving the girl by putting her under running water and attempting CPR before they called her mother and 911, the affidavits stated. The girl died at a hospital.

An autopsy showed she had a broken wrist, more than 20 bruises, swelling of the brain, and bleeding in her neck muscles and under her spine, the affidavits said.

Sheriff's spokeswoman Margie Martinez said late Wednesday that she did not know whether either teen had an attorney. The teens were being held at the Weld County jail but were not permitted to accept phone calls, Martinez said.

Roberts said he was downstairs playing video games while the sisters wrestled upstairs, police said. But a witness quoted in the affidavit said Roberts told her he had kicked the girl.

The witness told police that Roberts said Zoe had told them to stop wrestling. According to the affidavit, when the witness asked why they didn't stop, he responded, "I don't know; I was drunk."

If convicted, the teens could be sentenced to 48 years in prison.

When Garcia lost consciousness, Roberts and Trujillo tried to wake her up by placing her in a bathtub, the affidavit said. They also cracked open an egg and put it in her mouth to make sure Garcia was not "messing with them."

The teens waited for 15 minutes before contacting police because they were afraid "the cops were going to get mad" because teens were watching a child, the affidavit said.

Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. :tpg:
More importantly, how exactly do you differentiate attacks from one fighting video game to another, especially with vague terms like "hit, kicked and body-slammed"? If the girls were doing flying spear kicks or freezing her or ripping her head and spine clear out of her body I'd have more reason to believe that Mortal Kombat was specifically to blame.

This is just going to be another argument of bad parenting and kids with too much time on their hands versus the susceptible nature of youths to media. Sunrise, sunset.

nuttyturnip Dec 20, 2007 11:12 AM

The question is whether the teens told authorities that they were emulating Mortal Kombat, or just some fighting game. A person with no knowledge of games might have just substituted Mortal Kombat since that's become synonymous with the fighting game genre (much like my dad wouldn't know the difference between a Playstation and an Xbox, so he might call them all Xboxes).

Nall Dec 20, 2007 11:56 AM

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he responded, "I don't know; I was drunk."
Somehow, I don't think this was the best answer.

It's terrible when things like this happen, but Jack Thompson probably has an "I told you so" expression right about now. It sounds like these kids beat her pretty bad, too - I wonder if they were all drunk.

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Originally Posted by nuttyturnip
The question is whether the teens told authorities that they were emulating Mortal Kombat, or just some fighting game.

You might be right, the authorities might have just equate fighting games to Mortal Kombat since it's been in the media before. Could have been a misunderstanding, but it's not fair to companies like Midway to put them through any grief over this just because they needed a franchise name to scapegoat here.

Kilroy Dec 20, 2007 01:13 PM

I guess saying Fatality would be bad taste?
However, they could've blamed rock 'n roll too. I wouldn't point fingers at gaming, if I heard some idiot kicked someone.

Divest Dec 20, 2007 02:14 PM

I can imagine the horrifying scene. The little girl was probably screaming and crying, especially when they broke her wrist. She probably begged them to stop, but they didn't. They broke her bones and they still didn't stop, crying, begging, pleading, that was until she became conscious. Even then they didn't really stop. They continued on with the harassment because they thought she was "faking it".

I can definitely see how easy it was for a couple of older teenagers to destroy the frail body of a 7-year -old little girl, especially while they were intoxicated.

How would you feel if you killed your own little [half] sister?

http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2007/US/law/1.../art.teens.jpg

The saddest part is that she was a very attractive female before she ruined her life by (accidentally?) killing her sister. Very pretty, especially the way her tears light up her eyes.

Grail Dec 20, 2007 02:18 PM

All fingers pointing to 'video game related' go right out the window with the kids being drunk.

'nuff said.

DarkMageOzzie Dec 20, 2007 02:18 PM

This is beyond stupid... there is no way that a 17 and a 16 year old can't realize the kind of damage this stuff is going to do to a 7 year old, unless they're retarded.

As for the whole NEWER games thing in the subject title. Don't forget Mortal Kombat: Armageddon wasn't released on the Wii till earlier this year.

Divest Dec 20, 2007 02:25 PM

Nah these kids were poor. They couldn't afford a Wii.

DarkMageOzzie Dec 20, 2007 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Divest (Post 554841)
Nah these kids were poor. They couldn't afford a Wii.

Which means they probably had outdated games, so it still kinda defeats the topic title...

Divest Dec 20, 2007 03:44 PM

http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2007/US/law/1...t.lamar.ap.jpg

Nevermind, they had a wii. Especially if the kid next door had a good christmas last year.

evilboris Dec 20, 2007 03:44 PM

Like, clearly, Super Mario is to blame. You stomp goombas and body slam koopa shells in it.

Megalith Dec 20, 2007 05:07 PM

What is an innocent looking Spanish girl doing with that ugly black guy.

It's terrible what happened to the little girl, but I can't help but laugh at these ridiculous circumstances. It's like seeing someone accidentally riding a Razor scooter into a meat grinder or something. What are you gonna do.

RacinReaver Dec 20, 2007 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Divest (Post 554829)
http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2007/US/law/1.../art.teens.jpg

The saddest part is that she was a very attractive female before she ruined her life by (accidentally?) killing her sister. Very pretty, especially the way her tears light up her eyes.

You are officially creepier than Harle, VG, and yama combined.

Gechmir Dec 20, 2007 05:33 PM

RR --
I'd hit it with a bestiality fatality.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...ARC_Toasty.png

mortis Dec 20, 2007 05:58 PM

Honestly, when I saw the words "hit, kick, and body slam", I was half surprised this wasn't another "look, pro wrestling is bad" thing. Then again, maybe they decided to give pro wrestling a rest given the year it has been.

The thing is, all they needed to do was a mention a game, and that game would get the heat. If they didn't put the blame on the game, then others certainly would.

Dopefish Dec 20, 2007 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Divest (Post 554829)
I can imagine the horrifying scene. The little girl was probably screaming and crying, especially when they broke her wrist. She probably begged them to stop, but they didn't. They broke her bones and they still didn't stop, crying, begging, pleading, that was until she became conscious. Even then they didn't really stop. They continued on with the harassment because they thought she was "faking it".

I can definitely see how easy it was for a couple of older teenagers to destroy the frail body of a 7-year -old little girl, especially while they were intoxicated.

The teenagers weren't drunk. Frankly, I'd charge them with manslaughter. Child ABUSE causing death? Really? You can't just go with manslaughter?

Andrew Evenstar Dec 20, 2007 11:38 PM

This whole topic is disgusting. I can't believe this even happened. I could care less if it was blamed on video games. Who gives a fuck about video games when a girl is murdered. This is crazy.

Little Shithead Dec 21, 2007 01:24 AM

Here's the more up-to-date version of that story:
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JOHNSTOWN, Colorado (AP) -- Two teens have been charged with killing the 7-year-old sister of one of them by beating her with imitations of moves from the "Super Smash Bros. Melee" video game, prosecutors said.

Dylan Tnga, 17, and Heather Trujillo, 16, were charged as adults on one count each of felony child abuse causing death, state prosecutor Robert Miller said in court documents released Wednesday and filed a day earlier.

According to a police affidavit, the teens were baby-sitting Trujillo's half-sister, Zoe Garcia, on December 6 while the girl's mother was at work.

Zoe lost consciousness and stopped breathing after the teens wavedashed, L-cancelled and spiked her, imitating moves used in the video game, the document said.

The witness told police that Tnga said Zoe had told them to stop being tourneyfags. According to the affidavit, when the witness asked why they didn't stop, he responded, "I don't know; she was a fucking scrub."

Crash "Long-Winded Wrong Answer" Landon Dec 21, 2007 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Divest (Post 554829)
I can imagine the horrifying scene. The little girl was probably screaming and crying, especially when they broke her wrist. She probably begged them to stop, but they didn't. They broke her bones and they still didn't stop, crying, begging, pleading, that was until she became conscious. Even then they didn't really stop. They continued on with the harassment because they thought she was "faking it".

I can definitely see how easy it was for a couple of older teenagers to destroy the frail body of a 7-year -old little girl, especially while they were intoxicated.

How would you feel if you killed your own little [half] sister?

http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2007/US/law/1.../art.teens.jpg

The saddest part is that she was a very attractive female before she ruined her life by (accidentally?) killing her sister. Very pretty, especially the way her tears light up her eyes.


Okay, seriously, Divest. Back the fuck up.

You mean...you mean to say that you are horrified by the insensitive and torturous acts of a couple drunken teenagers who picked on a helpless, naive child...

BUT

It's perfectly okay to pester a retarded woman into taking off her clothes just so you can post pictures online and embarass her further?

You aren't fooling a single person with your mock sympathies. Not even close there, ace.

I suggest you back away from this discussion before you suffocate on your own hypocrisy.

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Very pretty, especially the way her tears light up her eyes.
That's just fucking sick, dude.

Elixir Dec 21, 2007 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Divest (Post 554829)
How would you feel if you killed your own little [half] sister?

Pretty damn good considering she's been a figment of my imagination for going on 10 years now and doesn't seem to be showing any signs of leaving. I've tried multiple times to explain to her that she isn't real and doesn't need absolutely any of my attention but it just hasn't been working.

I suppose I could go to drastic measures such as hypnotism to remove such a horrible, horrible person from my own persona, but it's nice having friends for a change, even if they're just slightly unwanted by the other figments of my imagination. I guess beggers can't be choosers.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...ARC_Toasty.png

Much like this individual, who pops up each time I've done something wrong in my life. It's a fucking nuisance and I'm sick to death of seeing him. Then again, it's quite all right for someone to come in and give me boundaries now and then. I dunno, he doesn't seem to like her, either.

What I'm really trying to point out here is:

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Originally Posted by Divest
I can definitely see how easy it was for a couple of older teenagers to destroy the frail body of a 7-year -old little girl

The saddest part is that she was a very attractive female before she ruined her life by (accidentally?) killing her sister. Very pretty, especially the way her tears light up her eyes.

Very attractive 7 year old, huh? You know, it's a bannable offense on SA to inadvertently confess that you're a pedo. It's kinda cute when people talk about lolis but this is an actual person. :gonk:

No. Hard Pass. Dec 21, 2007 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Elixir (Post 555171)
It's kinda cute when people talk about lolis but this is an actual person. :gonk:

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Originally Posted by Elixir (Post 555171)
It's kinda cute when people talk about lolis

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Originally Posted by Elixir (Post 555171)
It's kinda cute when people talk about lolis

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Originally Posted by Elixir (Post 555171)
It's kinda cute when people talk about lolis

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Originally Posted by Elixir (Post 555171)
It's kinda cute when people talk about lolis



Please die.

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Traumatized Rat Dec 21, 2007 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Divest (Post 554829)
I can imagine the horrifying scene. The little girl was probably screaming and crying, especially when they broke her wrist. She probably begged them to stop, but they didn't. They broke her bones and they still didn't stop, crying, begging, pleading, that was until she became conscious. Even then they didn't really stop. They continued on with the harassment because they thought she was "faking it".

I can definitely see how easy it was for a couple of older teenagers to destroy the frail body of a 7-year -old little girl, especially while they were intoxicated.

How would you feel if you killed your own little [half] sister?

http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/2007/US/law/1.../art.teens.jpg

The saddest part is that she was a very attractive female before she ruined her life by (accidentally?) killing her sister. Very pretty, especially the way her tears light up her eyes.

We all know you love this kind of stuff. Don't even bother denying it.

FatsDomino Dec 21, 2007 02:33 AM

Drawn characters have no real feeling whatever age they're said to be. They need to start making doujinshi where they start fucking granny-looking characters that are in actuality only 6 years old. I'm sure a couple dicks will explode in victory.

nanaman Dec 21, 2007 06:39 AM

Man this is horrible. So basically they both started to wrestle down this 7 year old girl until she got hurt so badly that she died? The part which I find the worst is the one were they put an egg in her mouth to see if she's faking.

I don't know how they got Mortal Kombat into the picture, but what game they definitely should be hacking on is Cooking Mama :gonk:

Divest Dec 21, 2007 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Crash Landon (Post 555163)
You aren't fooling a single person with your mock sympathies. Not even close there, ace.

In my defense, who said I was sympathic or horrified?

Monkey King Dec 21, 2007 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Divest (Post 554829)
I can imagine the horrifying scene. The little girl was probably screaming and crying, especially when they broke her wrist. She probably begged them to stop, but they didn't. They broke her bones and they still didn't stop, crying, begging, pleading, that was until she became conscious. Even then they didn't really stop. They continued on with the harassment because they thought she was "faking it".

I can definitely see how easy it was for a couple of older teenagers to destroy the frail body of a 7-year -old little girl, especially while they were intoxicated.

How would you feel if you killed your own little [half] sister?

The saddest part is that she was a very attractive female before she ruined her life by (accidentally?) killing her sister. Very pretty, especially the way her tears light up her eyes.

For your sake, I hope you're merely trolling here, because damn.

Divest Dec 21, 2007 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dopefish (Post 555012)
The teenagers weren't drunk. Frankly, I'd charge them with manslaughter. Child ABUSE causing death? Really? You can't just go with manslaughter?

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Originally Posted by THE ARTICLE
The witness told police that Roberts said Zoe had told them to stop wrestling. According to the affidavit, when the witness asked why they didn't stop, he responded, "I don't know; I was drunk."

Weren't you the one who posted the article to begin with? Did you forget to read it or something?

DarkMageOzzie Dec 21, 2007 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew Evenstar (Post 555100)
This whole topic is disgusting. I can't believe this even happened. I could care less if it was blamed on video games. Who gives a fuck about video games when a girl is murdered. This is crazy.

I don't think it's particularly that it's being blamed on a game that anyone cares about. But rather the fact that they're blaming it on something/anything that's not the teenagers who are the ones responsible. Heck I could see them getting a lighter sentence because "a video game made them do it". Which would be a load of crap don't you think?

No, these teenagers are the ones fully responsible for this terrible incident and people need to quit blaming outside sources for other people's stupidity.

bahamuty Dec 21, 2007 10:49 PM

So they are too drunk to notice they are killing the girl but can crack a freaking egg in her mouth and wait 15 minutes because they are afraid of the police? I don't know what the hell is wrong with those young adults but it wasn't Mortal Combat that had anything to do with it. Me and all the kids around my neighborhood used to play Mortal Combat outside all the time just after it came out. Like 6 or more of us all taking turns fighting one on one. We'd get a few bruises and scraps now and then but we had a great time.

Lizardcommando Dec 22, 2007 01:51 AM

It looks like they're trying to pull a Scream 2 on us. Just like how the killer(s?) in that movie were going to blame horror movies for their actions, these two are apparently blaming Mortal Kombat for their actions.

These two are fucked up in the head to even do this shit in the first place.

Elixir Dec 22, 2007 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Denicalis (Post 555172)
Please die.

Yes, because there's absolutely no difference between a fictional character and a real human being.

Andrew Evenstar Dec 22, 2007 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DarkMageOzzie (Post 555389)
I don't think it's particularly that it's being blamed on a game that anyone cares about. But rather the fact that they're blaming it on something/anything that's not the teenagers who are the ones responsible. Heck I could see them getting a lighter sentence because "a video game made them do it". Which would be a load of crap don't you think?

No, these teenagers are the ones fully responsible for this terrible incident and people need to quit blaming outside sources for other people's stupidity.

Completely agree. I don't think the media is blaming games for this one. I just would hate to see people here angered about video game bashing rather than what actually happened.

Dopefish Dec 22, 2007 07:56 PM

The girls weren't drunk, people. Nothing I've read suggests that, anyway.

NovaX Dec 23, 2007 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dopefish (Post 555949)
The girls weren't drunk, people. Nothing I've read suggests that, anyway.

You did read the story right? You do know that one of the accused is a guy, right?

Dopefish Dec 23, 2007 06:04 AM

There is a guy, yes. However, he and his accomplice still haven't been said to be drunk, just the witness.

Divest Dec 25, 2007 04:17 PM

haha oh my holy lord you are one stupid motherfucker

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Originally Posted by THE ARTICLE; READ IT, DIPSHIT
The witness told police that Roberts said Zoe had told them to stop wrestling. According to the affidavit, when the witness asked why they didn't stop, he responded, "I don't know; I was drunk."

So, to elaborate:

The witness asked Roberts (the black dude being held partially responsible for the child's death) why they didn't stop attacking the little girl and he responded "I don't know; I was drunk."

So, to break this down further

Witness = Why didn't you stop?
Roberts = I don't know; I was drunk.

If you still don't understand please let me know so I can make fun of you for being completely fucking retarded.

Spike Dec 25, 2007 07:41 PM

They put an egg in her mouth to see if she was messing with them... They're obviously fucking retarded to begin with. Blaming this on videogames is getting so old, but I'm preaching to the choir so whatev.

speculative Dec 25, 2007 07:46 PM

At least people aren't emulating old arcade games like Pac-Man. Cannibalism ftl... Stories like this have become their own cottage industry at this point; I don't see the point in posting them unless there's something really outrageous or new at work...

Rotorblade Dec 25, 2007 09:03 PM

Game subtext or not, stupid people being fucking stupid always baffles me in the news. Because it's always a case of trying to figure out some related activity, rather than the person. That's too cut and dry right there, apparently.


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