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Andrew Evenstar Dec 13, 2007 01:05 PM

FFIV Sequel... yes for cell phones :/
 
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=216571

Parasite Eve 3 anyone?

I think this is stupid. I dont want a sequel for any system. Just plain FFIV is good enough for me.

To quote someone from Neogaf:
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FYI:
I just vomited out of every orifice of my body when I saw that they were doing a sequel for FFIV which had the most satisfyingly closure-filled ending of any FF game ever.

I subseuquently shit out my entire intestinal tract upon seeing they were doing it as a mobile game.

Bad form Squeenix! >:(
http://xs322.xs.to/xs322/07504/dothesummoner.gif

rpgcrazied Dec 13, 2007 01:14 PM

a sequel couldve been cool, if done right.. but not on a freaking cell phone.

Nall Dec 13, 2007 02:31 PM

Final Fantasy IV THE AFTER - Return to the Moon (ファイナルファンタジーIV ジ アフター: 月の帰還)
February 2008 for DoCoMo FOMA phones

So the game takes place an unspecified time after FFIV, with the main character being Theodore, a descendant of Cecil (and I'd assume Rosa). It will be an RPG, but there's no actual gameplay info yet. Obviously returning to the moon (which left the world's orbit at the end of FFIV with FuSuYa and Golbez on board) will be a major plot point.

I don't know what to feel right now! It's a sequel to FFIV, so I should be happy, but it's on mobile phones. This is like one of those situations where a genie gives you a wish, but you ask for it in slightly the wrong way and you end up with a solid gold head or something.

Forsety Dec 13, 2007 06:20 PM

It's not like anyone here is even likely capable of playing it (unless you're weird and importing japanese phones) so it's nothing worth getting excited about at all. That and 99% of these Cell Phone games are laughably shit. God, one second I love SE, the next I fucking hate them. They milk their shit more than Nintendo these days, I swear.

Monkey King Dec 14, 2007 11:45 AM

A sequel how??? The ending was THE END. Unless the next game was FuSoYa and Golbez's crazy space adventures, I can't see how they'd get a direct sequel out of this. I mean, I know the suits want to squeeze profits out of everything that was even remotely popular in Squeenix's stable, but this is really reaching.

trackjacket Dec 14, 2007 01:58 PM

http://xs322.xs.to/xs322/07505/bawww_taru.JPG

Golfdish from Hell Dec 14, 2007 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by trackjacket (Post 551447)

So THAT's what baby jesus looks like.

valiant Dec 14, 2007 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Monkey King (Post 551396)
A sequel how??? The ending was THE END. Unless the next game was FuSoYa and Golbez's crazy space adventures, I can't see how they'd get a direct sequel out of this. I mean, I know the suits want to squeeze profits out of everything that was even remotely popular in Squeenix's stable, but this is really reaching.


Nothing is wrong with Fusoya and Golvez's Amazing Adventures in space! It is all about the return of the giant space whale! XP

(I prefer them to do something with FFV, that game needs a lot of tweaking in storyline)

Sarag Dec 14, 2007 04:30 PM

I'm calling shenanigans, as Theodore is both too gay and not nearly gay enough for a FF character's name.

Also why FF4. I.. why.

Dark Nation Dec 14, 2007 04:39 PM

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/6126/hueggonkfz3.png

Metal Sphere Dec 14, 2007 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by a lurker (Post 551520)

Also why FF4. I.. why.

Because you'd collapse into nothingness if it was, say FFVI, that was getting remade or a sequel on a cellular phone platform.

Reasonable depiction of your reaction shortly before said event:
http://i18.tinypic.com/6s9j1u8.jpg

Sarag Dec 14, 2007 05:14 PM

You're right, I'd probably just start openly crying or something.

Even still, FF6 has more room for an afterstory than FF4 does. There's the world that needs to be rebuilt and all that - FF4 tied up all the loose ends like a fairytale. Cecil becomes KING. what more do you want? jesus

RacinReaver Dec 14, 2007 05:18 PM

It could've seen an Edge dating sim (even has loli with Rydia).

Radez Dec 14, 2007 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by a lurker (Post 551538)
You're right, I'd probably just start openly crying or something.

Even still, FF6 has more room for an afterstory than FF4 does. There's the world that needs to be rebuilt and all that - FF4 tied up all the loose ends like a fairytale. Cecil becomes KING. what more do you want? jesus

That's why they advanced it a few hundred years, so cecil's descendant could team up with the ninja-summoner of eblan and go dungeon crawling around all the old haunts to discover that Zemut, brother to Zemus has awakened and is out for revenge.

No. Hard Pass. Dec 14, 2007 05:20 PM

This is fucking ridiculous. It's like Square has decided all the old school players are already pissed off at them, so alienating them further just doesn't matter. If it was a port to a cel phone, I'd be less upset. But a sequel? I wonder if in this sequel we get to see Cecil completely abandon his character traits and become a Charlie's Angelesque parody of himself. Because that would be great.

Sarag Dec 14, 2007 05:26 PM

cecil's character traits are gullability, guilt, lack of awareness for danger. Look, it was an early SNES title, characters didn't have personality back then!

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Originally Posted by Avalokiteshvara (Post 551542)
That's why they advanced it a few hundred years, so cecil's descendant could team up with the ninja-summoner of eblan and go dungeon crawling around all the old haunts to discover that Zemut, brother to Zemus has awakened and is out for revenge.

That's retarded though because Cecil's son is out adventuring with a ton of old fogeys. Who the hell would want to do that? one, maybe two old farts per party roster please.

Theodore lol

Infernal Monkey Dec 15, 2007 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by The boss of Square-Enix, like, last week
There's a misconception that we rely only on Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest, while these titles only make half of our business. It's just that people keep asking for new installments.

Who the fuck asked for this then?

"Do you know what'd be cool Yoichi Wada? A sequel to Final Fantasy IV! That would be SO COOL even COOLER than Final Fantasy X-2: THE REVENGE"
"We'll get right on it! For mobile phones"
"No Yoichi Wada I want it on a gaming machine!"
"Who said anything about it being A GAME?"
"Oh Yoichi Wada, hahahhahaha"

*Still frame, credits roll*

Borg1982 Dec 15, 2007 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by a lurker (Post 551546)
cecil's character traits are gullability, guilt, lack of awareness for danger. Look, it was an early SNES title, characters didn't have personality back then!

And I'm sure that a game where Kefka destroys the world & the plot along with it is any better?

That, and most of the characters don't have anything to do with the plot.

If you can't understand the main character then you don't get the game at all.

I understand Terra but don't sympathize with her a bit because it's not an exciting storyline often.

Infernal Monkey Dec 15, 2007 03:19 AM

Often? Well yeah, that's because it's an exciting storyline all the time! NON-STOP. It is like a record borgy, right round round round.

Borg1982 Dec 15, 2007 03:30 AM

If the game had been about the War of the Magi instead of the years after that, I would have been glued. The plot itself seemed to be brewing into something big but it was destroyed along with the world in the snap of a finger.

No. Hard Pass. Dec 15, 2007 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Borg1982 (Post 551812)
If the game had been about the War of the Magi instead of the years after that, I would have been glued. The plot itself seemed to be brewing into something big but it was destroyed along with the world in the snap of a finger.

Yeah, if only they could have gone to the moon. Would have been so much better.

Infernal Monkey Dec 15, 2007 04:52 AM

Damn right it would have been better with a little moon exploring, perhaps a moon monster and some moon people who (moon)walk back and forth all day long outside their moon houses in a moon town. On the MOON.

I hope S-E's next RPG is set on the moon. I hope it's a Rad Racer game. That's the best kind of RPG.

Dark Nation Dec 15, 2007 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Infernal Monkey (Post 551834)
I hope S-E's next RPG is set on the moon. I hope it's a Rad Racer game. That's the best kind of RPG.

This is actually not a bad idea.

RAD RACER: LUNA LAPS

Borg1982 Dec 15, 2007 06:47 AM

2 things that are sad here:

1. People who hate FF4 are IN A THREAD ABOUT FF4.
2. People are saying how bad the sequel will be when absolutely nobody knows what the hell its going to be like. Maybe they are just mad it's for cell phones and are creating excuses to hate it so they can make themselves believe its bad to not get it.

Zuare Dec 15, 2007 10:38 AM

I just wish Square-Enix would stop continuing stories for games that already had good endings. Not only are the sequels usually bad, but it kinda ruins the story of the original game too.

No. Hard Pass. Dec 15, 2007 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Borg1982 (Post 551860)
2 things that are sad here:

1. People who hate FF4 are IN A THREAD ABOUT FF4.
2. People are saying how bad the sequel will be when absolutely nobody knows what the hell its going to be like. Maybe they are just mad it's for cell phones and are creating excuses to hate it so they can make themselves believe its bad to not get it.

Except that both Lurker and I like FF4. So, you know, you fail there. Also, this thread isn't about FF4, it's about FF4-II. So, you know, you fail there.

Also, please name me a single cell phone game with a rich storyline that isn't just random jap filler. Oh yeah, you can't do it, because it doesn't exist. It's never existed, and it won't in the immediate future. There are size constraints, there are display restraints, and there are design restraints to working on a cel phone. The fact you think this is anything but a cash grab is laughable. Go rock your fanboyism somewheres else, we like a certain amount of basic logic in our posters here.

Dark Nation Dec 15, 2007 02:30 PM

I have to agree with Deni on what he said above.

My job is currently to test Cellphone games, look for bugs, make sure they pass Carrier Tests, and other things. I can't disclose what exact games I'm testing (Non-Disclosure Agreement)... but I have not come across anything remotely in-depth, even on the newest phones (LG's Razr, for example). All of the games I've tested so far have been SHIT. The ONLY reason that Square Enix is apparently making Cellphone games is because its a Japanese company and the Japanese are one of the highest (If not #1) Cellphone users, and they usually have the most advance handsets which allow for minimally fun cellphone games (From a gameplay standpoint on Before Crisis, it was a nice move to have the phone's camera be built into the story-line, because you create new Materia (Which allows Magic & other things) from taking pictures of various items, and judging by the primary color of whatever you take a photo of, it creates a Materia of that color), with few exceptions to that (Before Crisis looks to be one of these, as in somewhat fun).

The games I've seen are usually very easy or not very long, but the cellphone as a platform for games is a poor one, if you're dealing with anything complex (Such as an RPG or anything graphically intensive). I'd like to say its good for quick puzzle games or something, but honestly until the hardware and carrier restrictions loosen up (Google's Android may be that key change) and we (USA, Europe?) get the same kind of hardware around the same time that the Japanese do, all the games coming out for Cellphones will generally be crap.

tl;dr: Cellphone games are SHIT.

Now, I understand WHY Squarenix is making Cellphone games period, but what I don't get is why they would make it exclusively for the cellphone. I mean, shouldn't the recent string of DS Remakes and Ports on the PSP indicate that those handheld devices are the place to go for Old-School Final Fantasy?

At the very LEAST, another version of this sequel on the DS or PSP would make this news much much easier to take in.

tl;dr: This is a bad business decision.

Lacerta Dec 15, 2007 03:02 PM

It's not like this game will ever make it to America anyway, so we'll never get to play it.

It also doesn't help that the phones under the DoCoMo provider in which S-E designs their games for can run almost at the speed of a normal (i.e. not overclocking the games) PSP. Japan has some wild supercomputer phones that literally can pretty much do it all (Breathalyzer in your phone, probably useless but they have it on there).

Obviously the reason they chose to make it mobile exclusive is because it's very cheap to design for, the consumer base in Japan is xbox hueg, and they don't have to pay as much overhead to release this game for people to buy. Common sense man, goal of a business is to make profit. It's cheap to make a game for a cellphone, so why not create some for some quick change?

At least, they have stated in the past they would be willing to port any of their "mobile-exclusive" games to the DS if they feel it would be worth putting on the market -- AKA if it will make them more money. They're doing it with the mobile game Front Mission 2089 that came out way back in '05.

It's kind of stupid, but at the same time their cellphone games don't move at the rate of slug ass like ours do (now if only they weren't just plain ass). By the time we manage to (if ever) catch up, Japan will use cellphones to perform everyday life functions.

Oh wait they pretty much already do :(

We'll see a DS port, in like 2010+, and by then no one will really care.

Borg1982 Dec 15, 2007 03:13 PM

With the way some of you speak, you all come off as FF4 haters.

So I didn't fail anywhere if I perceived you guys as haters. You sure did a great job coming off as such.

No. Hard Pass. Dec 15, 2007 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Borg1982 (Post 552007)
With the way some of you speak, you all come off as FF4 haters.

Oh, you're just precious. So saying there was a single aspect of the game that made me balk means I came off as someone who hated the game? So I suppose if I say that I don't like my girlfriend's choice in shoes, I hate her? Because yeah, that makes a whole bucket full of sense, that does. Lurker said that Cecil isn't a super strong character. And he's not. Doesn't mean she doesn't like the game. The problem with you is that you think you have to love everything about something in order to appreciate it. It's called critical thinking, you should give it a whirl some time.

You're especially laughable when earlier in this very thread, I expressed frustration with SE alienating people who liked their older works. I.E. people who liked FF IV. I.E. me.

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So I didn't fail anywhere if I perceived you guys as haters. You sure did a great job coming off as such.
Actually, it means you failed to perceive the situation properly. So, you know, you failed there. But again, good hustle out there.

Borg1982 Dec 15, 2007 03:36 PM

Regardless, it's retarded that everyone responded to the news with hatred. Yes, I know, every cell phone game sucks, but if FF1 (a game from 1987) is an excellent video game, surely they can do a better job than that times 100000 for FF4-2... so ya never know what can happen.

No. Hard Pass. Dec 15, 2007 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Borg1982 (Post 552016)
Regardless, it's retarded that everyone responded to the news with hatred. Yes, I know, every cell phone game sucks, but if FF1 (a game from 1987) is an excellent video game, surely they can do a better job than that times 100000 for FF4-2... so ya never know what can happen.

Yeah, except if someone was to bring out the original Final Fantasy right now, I'd say it was sparse, lacked depth and suffered from a lack of playability because in context, it wouldn't stack up.

And the problem is yes, we do know what can happen. We've seen what Square does with cell phone games. They're not very impressive. So no, they probably can't do a game that's a hundred thousand times better than FF1, because they're doing it on a very limiting medium. They've castrated themselves before they even start. FF IV is loved for being a deep story with interesting characters. So they went somewhere that limits the amount of story you can show and used a story that wrapped up very nicely as their launch point and a game that didn't really -need- a follow up, I might add. So really all they can do is cheapen the existing game with a faulty follow-up.

"Why would everyone respond poorly to a widely loved game getting raped and thrown on a terrible medium with little to no chance of success? I mean, guys, it's unfair to assume something is going to suck just because all signs point to it sucking."

Get real, son.

Borg1982 Dec 15, 2007 03:50 PM

It is indeed sad that it's for cell phones. I have no idea of SE's track record with making cell phone games since I've seen none. Maybe I was being optimistic from the start but I may have no reason to be. If it's a nice, simple FF game with a smart menu and decent story, that is the best we can hope for.

Nall Dec 15, 2007 03:53 PM

I think there are very few people on these boards who hate FFIV for any reason. We're all roughly the same age group, we all have the love for the old stuff, It's personally my favorite FF ever, but this announcement is kinda lukewarm.

Square is probably just trying to cash in on the new FFIV DS remake, but I'm at least glad the game isn't a *direct* sequel. I mean, it's not like it could have been, but at least this way the story won't really be "messed up", just expanded upon in a way I don't think anyone really asked for. The original FFIV won't really be affected by it at all unless Square tacks on some ending to the remake to tie the games together or something (think Chrono Trigger PSX - Square, don't get any ideas!). Even If the game is totally bad, you can just choose to ignore it; us Westerners may not have any other choice. Like was said, there's a market for this sorta thing in Japan, and, for better or worse, this is a Japanese game for Japanese gamers.

Of course, I don't *know* the game will be terrible, just going by every other cell phone game I've bought, RPGs included. Prove me wrong, Squeenix, prove me wrong!

No. Hard Pass. Dec 15, 2007 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Borg1982 (Post 552026)
It is indeed sad that it's for cell phones. I have no idea of SE's track record with making cell phone games since I've seen none. Maybe I was being optimistic from the start but I may have no reason to be. If it's a nice, simple FF game with a smart menu and decent story, that is the best we can hope for.

No, it fucking isn't. You're basically saying as long as Square does the bare fucking minimum, we should be thrilled.

No. I expect them to be the best in the business at what they do. They have the resources to be extraordinary in their work, and the fact that people are willing to let them slide by with bare minimums is why they keep giving us just that. A smart menu and a decent story is NOT the best we can hope for. We can actively hope they pull their collective heads out of their asses and give us a good game.

Megavolt Dec 15, 2007 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Borg1982 (Post 552007)
With the way some of you speak, you all come off as FF4 haters.

So I didn't fail anywhere if I perceived you guys as haters. You sure did a great job coming off as such.

I didn't see any FF4 hating. I did see you going off on a tangent by launching into your usual vendetta against FF6.

FF4 had one loose end and that was Kain's quest to find himself. That this so-called sequel seems to ignore that and simply jump to the next generation screams "tacked on story for the sake of milking the franchise". And the fact that it's for cell phones seems to seal the deal.

Borg1982 Dec 15, 2007 04:05 PM

What I meant to say was:

We expect garbage.
We want a very, very good game because they have those resources.
Since it never happens, I am hoping to god the game will be 7.5/10 ... which is better than what we expect.

Dark Nation Dec 15, 2007 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Megavolt (Post 552032)
I didn't see any FF4 hating. I did see you going off on a tangent by launching into your usual vendetta against FF6.

Exactly. I did a quick look of the thread, and his first post brought up complaints in regards to FFVI, which BEFORE his post, FFVI was not mentioned at all.

Borg, if you have some sort of issue against FFVI, then make a journal entry about it. It has no place in this thread, which is about a sequel to Final Fantasy 4, NOT 6.

Anyway, the phone from the picture is the FOMA 903i (FOMA if you might recall, was the brand used by Cloud in Advent Children, specifically the Panasonic FOMA P900iV). Its also using (Possibly some variant) of BREW, which is short for Binary Runtime Enviroment for Wireless, and is an application development platform for Mobile Phones. There are games that use BREW at my work, so its certainly able to be ported over to the US, should Square Enix go that route.

If they do, they have the option of releasing it themselves, or outsourcing to a third-party publisher, such as Namco Wireless, EA Mobile, or THQ Wireless, among others.

Here's a pic of the phone itself (& Link)
http://www.3g.co.uk/PR/Nov2006/NTT.gif

Three major questions remain: Will Square Enix make with a DS/PSP Version,will the game even see the light of day across the Pacific, and why... why make a sequel?

I just don't get it. Are they strapped for cash more then we might have thought? I thought they were doing pretty successful with Dragon Quest IV, VIII, Final Fantasy XII, etc., Oh well, I guess not much can be answered at this point.

The Plane Is A Tiger Dec 15, 2007 04:32 PM

I'm actually pretty relieved to see that this is only for cell phones. That means it'll never see the light of day outside Japan and will be almost instantly forgotten after its release.

Like many others have already said, FFIV ended about as conclusively as a game can. Having a sequel now just to cash in on the DS remake is nothing short of retarded (no, not business-wise of course). I'd much rather ignore little Theodore's existance and move on with life.

Borg1982 Dec 15, 2007 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Nation (Post 552044)
Exactly. I did a quick look of the thread, and his first post brought up complaints in regards to FFVI, which BEFORE his post, FFVI was not mentioned at all.

Lurker was trying to diss FF4 (When he shouldn't be in the thread in the first place if he hates it. It's called flaming) so I used his own game against him to state how that story is any better considering all of its failures.

Dhsu Dec 15, 2007 05:04 PM

I wouldn't underestimate the capability of Japanese cellphones...those things probably double as dishwashers and mind control devices at this point.

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Originally Posted by Zuare (Post 551914)
I just wish Square-Enix would stop continuing stories for games that already had good endings. Not only are the sequels usually bad, but it kinda ruins the story of the original game too.

I'm not sure how that works. At worst it ruins the games after it. And in that case you can ignore them. :P

I hope the game is about the inevitably apocalyptic consequences caused by the freaking MOON suddenly leaving the planet's orbit.

Also I need the source for that Samus Ouendan pic.

valiant Dec 15, 2007 06:00 PM

Hm which Dshu's post reminds me that this game could turn into the dreaded "Major Mask's" premise. The evil moon is about to bombard the world, thus contributing towards an inevitable apolcolypse. Then we have Fusoya and Golbez saving the day, flying in with their Space Whale.

The Plane Is A Tiger Dec 15, 2007 06:29 PM

Squeenix needs to release "Golbez & FuSoYa's Space Whale Adventures" that plays like Einhander with the trippiness of Silhouette Mirage.

Infernal Monkey Dec 15, 2007 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Denicalis (Post 551976)

Also, please name me a single cell phone game with a rich storyline that isn't just random jap filler. Oh yeah, you can't do it, because it doesn't exist. It's never existed, and it won't in the immediate future.

Eh, mobile phone gaming is bloody huge in Japan. DS/breathing style huge. Just because the things are an absolute nightmare to try and play on doesn't stop them. There's a shit load of story heavy adventure games on them. I have no doubt some wallies have put some exclusive RPGs on mobiles with the same tired storylines and heart-wrenching plot twists over there to rival any of the rubbish we get in big budget console games!

"No way! The main characters best friend turned out to be a bad guy! This is perhaps the most shocking thing to happen to my feelings while on the train.. today!"

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Originally Posted by Dark Nation (Post 551858)

RAD RACER: LUNA LAPS

I wish to subscribe to your magazine!

Sarag Dec 15, 2007 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Borg1982 (Post 552052)
Lurker was trying to diss FF4 (When he shouldn't be in the thread in the first place if he hates it. It's called flaming)

I think I would know what flaming is.

And furthermore, I was only saying that FF4 was very much in the style of the late NES / early SNES era. I did not see you refute me. I guess I won.

Frozen Memories Dec 16, 2007 11:22 PM

While it's somewhat infuriating hearing about Squeenix cashing in yet again on the Final Fantasy franchise, the fact that it's for cell phones makes the whole game pretty much worthless to worry about.

If they decide to port it to portable consoles... then it may be a bit much.

RainMan Dec 16, 2007 11:49 PM

I will not be playing this. Final Fantasy IV, for the SNES, is how I wish to remember it. I won't be wasting my time playing the cell-phone edition.

Monkey King Dec 17, 2007 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Borg1982 (Post 552052)
Lurker was trying to diss FF4 (When he shouldn't be in the thread in the first place if he hates it. It's called flaming) so I used his own game against him to state how that story is any better considering all of its failures.

So, all that time I spent in the Star Ocean 2 remake thread chuckling about how godforsakenly bad the original's translation was, that was just trolling on my part? It's entirely possible to be aware of and point out the flaws in something you like.

Give me some time and I could rattle off a whole list of problems with FF6. That Vanish/Doom bug? What was up with that? lol lazy programmers

Borg1982 Dec 17, 2007 04:00 PM

"cecil's character traits are gullability, guilt, lack of awareness for danger."

This is called trolling. If he knows those points are unfair to the game and is saying this anyway, it is trolling.

If he thinks the points are true, he's wrong. The main character does not just simply walk into danger because he doesn't know what he's doing. He's not gullible while doing it.

Little Shithead Dec 17, 2007 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Borg1982 (Post 552052)
Lurker was trying to diss FF4 (When he shouldn't be in the thread in the first place if he hates it. It's called flaming)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Borg1982 (Post 553120)
"cecil's character traits are gullability, guilt, lack of awareness for danger."

This is called trolling. If he knows those points are unfair to the game and is saying this anyway, it is trolling.

Your dictionary needs a major update.

Seriously.

Pro-Tip: What I'm doing to you is flaming. Flaming you for how dumb you're being.

Django! Dec 17, 2007 04:41 PM

Again.

Fuck Square. I hope they go under with the increasing development costs.

Frozen Memories Dec 17, 2007 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Django! (Post 553149)
Again.

Fuck Square. I hope they go under with the increasing development costs.

I almost completely agree with that. With all the medicore and rehashes they have been doing, it's really disheartening.

Oh, to the comments about Cecil's character traits.... In my opinion, if you look at a lot of RPGs (particulary old-school ones), most main characters have those traits. I mean... If the main character didn't feel guilty, get himself into trouble one way or another every once and a while, and didn't care about the danger, we wouldn't have about 80% of NES and SNES era RPGs. That, again, is just my opinion though.

Sarag Dec 17, 2007 08:12 PM

No memories, I totally agree. Especially in that time period where nintendo games in general were starting to break away from their NES roots (have no idea about genesis games). It's just truth, it's not a bad thing or a good thing, it's just the way it is.

Borg is just butthurt because I am right. Case in point: Cecil going to the moon to kill the root of all of mankind's hatred. The dude is on the moon, you have him running scared as much as anyone's ever going to be. Therefore, I am not trolling and it is you who is trolling.

mortis Dec 17, 2007 08:28 PM

A direct FFIV sequel? Bad idea. It's not like FFVI where the world needed to be rebuilt after defeating Kefka.

However, one that is generations later is plausible. Yes, it is a cheap way to cash in on the legacy of a great game, but they have been doing that for some time now. And a business IS made to make money, where the opinions (and dollars) of the many outweigh the few (usually).

FFIV, especially given thetime and era of that game. Now, I didn't get to fully appreciate it-I played FFVI first and THEN played FFIV, so I was a bit more spoiled with FFVI. However, the game itself is decent, the storyline is decent, and has been so popular that it was been ported twice (with some additions) and now being remade. Can't argue that.

I dunno if I would like to see this ported to an NDS or PSP. Preferable, I'd rather them just go ahead and wait into the future, until they have 'remade' FFV and FFVI (you know it has to be in the cards), and when (or I guess if) they make some 'sequels' to those games, place them all together as some sort of sequel game to those three. Granted, it would never happen as they would want to get the most out of each game, but with the idea that the sequels themselves would be short and limited (unless they totally remade them), it would seem weak to pay whatever amount for a 10 hour sequel.

Dark Nation Dec 17, 2007 08:35 PM

mortis reminded me of something: I wouldn't mind playing a FFVI Prequel, detailing that War of the Magi that so gets referenced so much. Make it a Tactics-based game on the PSP, it'll sell very well in Japan, and enough in the US from Old-school fans to break even.

RainMan Dec 17, 2007 08:47 PM

A prequel to FFVI seems a lot more plausible than a sequel. There really would be nothing left to do in a world AFTER Kefka.
I think a prequel would be a best case scenario; Fleshing out the 'War of the Magi' story-line could work fantasticly, not only in creating a new expansion of an intriguing but little mentioned story, but to give greater scope and definition to FFVI as a whole.

To make the battle mechanics like FFT? I wouldn't mind that at all either.

Will any of this ever happen? Probably not. I have absolutely no faith in Square-Enix anymore.

Sarag Dec 17, 2007 09:30 PM

FFVI the sequel: sim city oh or OOH civilization

come on you know it's brilliant.

Elixir Dec 18, 2007 07:30 AM

I don't really care about FFIV but being released for cellphones is a dumb idea. They can't localize it now, since practically nobody bothers with cellphone games (n-gage?).

It's not like they ever had any intention to.

RainMan Dec 18, 2007 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by a lurker (Post 553310)
FFVI the sequel: sim city oh or OOH civilization

come on you know it's brilliant.

Heh. Yep, you took the words right out of my mouth, Lurker. I was going to jokingly mention a city simulator in the case of a 'sequel' for FFVI but I found it rather ridiculous at the time. (prolly cuz I was still sober) Strangely enough, it makes more sense now. However, rebuilding the world doesn't seem nearly as exciting as tearing it apart. :D

Django! Dec 18, 2007 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Frozen Memories (Post 553164)
I almost completely agree with that. With all the medicore and rehashes they have been doing, it's really disheartening.

Oh, to the comments about Cecil's character traits.... In my opinion, if you look at a lot of RPGs (particulary old-school ones), most main characters have those traits. I mean... If the main character didn't feel guilty, get himself into trouble one way or another every once and a while, and didn't care about the danger, we wouldn't have about 80% of NES and SNES era RPGs. That, again, is just my opinion though.

One of the more endearing character traits for Cecil, at least for this gamer, was that the setup for his guilt was a bit more legit. He was lied to, and his actions eventually lead him to killing a poor girls mother, and then the entire town. He was a soldier doing what he was supposed to do by order of the King, and then realizing the consequences of his own actions.

If anything, FFIV was more advanced, character wise, than some of the more recent RPGs. His romantic ties were already well established. He was already a high ranking and powerful character at the beginning of the game, and the first half of the story involves his rejecting that power and starting anew. Unlike some of the later Final Fantasy's, IV's story didn't rely on on a soap opera love story to keep you interested in the characters, it focused on redemption and taking responsibility.

The entire series, save for Tactics, has pretty much been down hill since.

nanaman Dec 18, 2007 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Django! (Post 553634)
One of the more endearing character traits for Cecil, at least for this gamer, was that the setup for his guilt was a bit more legit. He was lied to, and his actions eventually lead him to killing a poor girls mother, and then the entire town. He was a soldier doing what he was supposed to do by order of the King, and then realizing the consequences of his own actions.

If anything, FFIV was more advanced, character wise, than some of the more recent RPGs. His romantic ties were already well established. He was already a high ranking and powerful character at the beginning of the game, and the first half of the story involves his rejecting that power and starting anew. Unlike some of the later Final Fantasy's, IV's story didn't rely on on a soap opera love story to keep you interested in the characters, it focused on redemption and taking responsibility.

The entire series, save for Tactics, has pretty much been down hill since.

I agree with all that you said. The FF series have been going downhill pretty much since the SNES era, except from FF Tactics (to PS1) which is one of my favorite FF games.

And yeah, I've totally lost hope with Square Enix nowadays, they haven't made anything real good in the recent years except Dragon Quest Monsters: Joker which I totally love, but I'm a DQM nut and the DQM games are so simple that it just can't go wrong. And well I have to say the FFT port to PSP was pretty good to with the rewritten dialogue and added CG movies. Dang, I thought I wasn't gonna find anything to bring up, but well anyways, except from those two I can't really think of anything real real good like from the SNES era.

And seriously what the heck is up with these cellphone games!?! The cellphone must be the crappiest "console" ever to play games on. The controls are usually unbearable, the screen is so damn small and the speakers usually suck ass. Why can't they just make it to the DS or PSP which both are real handheld gaming devices?

Django! Dec 18, 2007 07:21 PM

Can me make a distinction between Square and Enix still? I really enjoyed Rocket Slime, and I'll probably pick up Dragon Quest IX when it's released.

Zuare Dec 21, 2007 02:50 PM

Screenshots:

http://i7.tinypic.com/8fdibu9.jpg

Source.

mortis Dec 21, 2007 05:39 PM

Is it me or am I seeing 1.) reused graphics (hence the title of the link you gave us) and 2) Cid?

Dark Nation Dec 21, 2007 05:41 PM

Wow, this is really starting to look like a quick cash-grab. Interest is seriously low now.

Nall Dec 21, 2007 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by mortis (Post 555464)
Is it me or am I seeing 1.) reused graphics (hence the title of the link you gave us) and 2) Cid?

Woah, that's Cecil, Rosa, AND Cid in the second pic. You can also see Theodore at the bottom of the first one; the top guy is simply "Nazo no Otoko" or "Mystery Man". So it really *is* a direct sequel... Unless of course the second screen is a flash-back or something.

FFIV: The Next Generation.

Sarag Dec 21, 2007 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mortis (Post 555464)
Is it me or am I seeing 1.) reused graphics (hence the title of the link you gave us)

Probably on the monsters, I'd have to compare it to the last 2d FF4 remake to know for sure. Which one was that?

Quote:

and 2) Cid?
Cid, Rosa, Cecil, and some schmuck soldier or something with Theodore.

THEODORE?!

Zuare Dec 21, 2007 08:45 PM

It seems those pics were originally from this site and there are more of them:



Is that Amano artwork new, or from the original?

Nall Dec 21, 2007 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by a lurker
Probably on the monsters, I'd have to compare it to the last 2d FF4 remake to know for sure. Which one was that?

FFIV Advance was the last 2D remake.

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Originally Posted by Zuare
Is that Amano artwork new, or from the original?

It Looks new to me. That must be Theo at the bottom there, which means he's Cecil and Rosa's *son*, not some distant descendant, which also means the game itself takes place only a few years after FFIV. I wasn't expecting Square to go this deep with a cell phone game, but it looks like this is the real deal FFIV-2.

...And is anyone else getting an "RPG Maker" vibe off these pics?

Lacerta Dec 24, 2007 01:38 AM

To preserve the tables~



Dunno if this has been mentioned yet:
  • Obviously a direct sequel -- 17 years after FFIV
  • Will include all the original characters
  • 16-bit 2D Graphic style
  • Is going to be released in chapters with the first being free

They're serious about this. If it will actually turn out the way they want it to turn out no one can really say.

At least you get the first chapter for free!

Dark Nation Dec 24, 2007 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Nall (Post 555549)
FFIV Advance was the last 2D remake.

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/8...advancenr3.png

Unless you mean for FFIV by itself, in which case never mind.

Frozen Memories Dec 24, 2007 11:20 AM

Oh geez... Rosa looks sick (Plot device anyone?) in that artwork in the mag. Also, Rydia's outfit has lost a few pieces.

It looks like they are actually serious with this. Although the story and FF nametag are immediate ripoffs and are kinda ruining one of the best FF's, it looks like they are actually putting a little more effort into it. Guess we'll never really know though.

So, I'm waiting for the announcement of "The Complilation of Final Fantasy IV", including, but not limited to, a jumping action game involving Kain.

Lacerta Dec 24, 2007 12:29 PM

There's already a jumping action game with Kain.

In the form of a mini-game in FFIV DS.

Nall Dec 24, 2007 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Nation
Unless you mean for FFIV by itself, in which case never mind.

Yeah, just referring to FFIV. Lurker wanted to know if the graphics were from that or the original, but I can't really tell from these pics.

As for the new art, it's actually pretty good (old grizzled Cid in particular), but I still can't get over why this is happening. Why now? Why not 2 years ago when FFIV advance came out? Or seven years ago with FF Chronicles? I think Square just got bitten by the money bug again and decided to make yet another FF its own franchise.

Frozen Memories Dec 24, 2007 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Lacerta (Post 556694)
There's already a jumping action game with Kain.

In the form of a mini-game in FFIV DS.

Well, I got pwned.

mortis Dec 24, 2007 07:39 PM

As memories of FFIV start to come back...

Spoiler:


Didn't Cid die with his airship?



And I guess Rosa might suffer from 'Megaman Syndrome'. While it doesn't show her abilities, her HP is back to a level 1 or 2 character.

Megavolt Dec 24, 2007 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mortis (Post 556875)
As memories of FFIV start to come back...

Spoiler:


Didn't Cid die with his airship?


Nope. If you look around in the dwarves castle after you regain access to the underworld, you find him recovering in a bed, although I think he shows up either way in the Tower of Babil event.

Shively Mar 30, 2008 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Monkey King (Post 551396)
A sequel how??? The ending was THE END. Unless the next game was FuSoYa and Golbez's crazy space adventures, I can't see how they'd get a direct sequel out of this. I mean, I know the suits want to squeeze profits out of everything that was even remotely popular in Squeenix's stable, but this is really reaching.



Evil has a way of returning....

At any rate I am VERY upset that they would not release it on something different, even a GBA or DS would have been better than this stuff.

Sorta reminds me when they left Link to the past out of the gold edition of Zelda for GC just so they would milk it out on another platform. In the end I guess its better they release it than to never release it at all.

Manny Biggz Mar 30, 2008 06:13 AM

Is there some form of emulation that can give us a chance to play this someday?

OberonAxelay Mar 30, 2008 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Manny Biggz (Post 589403)
Is there some form of emulation that can give us a chance to play this someday?

AFAIK, there isn't. But maybe with all these Mobile titles that S-E is throwing out there, someone will take it upon themselves to create one.

Either that or hope that S-E ports them to the DS, kinda like Front Mission 2089 (which really isn't a port but more of an enhanced remake/sequel.)

Hindman Apr 2, 2008 08:47 AM

Edit:
Crap. wrong thread. Sorry >_<


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