X-Men 3
 

Looking forward to it? Think that they're dragging it on a bit? Discuss here my friends.

Personally, after reading a few articles in a couple of film magazines, I think it should be a pretty good film. I thought that they did well in the 2nd, it turned out to be better than the first even (in my opinion). Think this one could be even better than 1 and 2?

Yes, I am quite looking forward to it. I loved watching the second one and the teaser got me even more excited for it.

The new trailer premiers next Monday during the 2 hour 24 special. I can't wait to actually see some good movie footage.

I'm concerned that it's going to be pants and kill off any chance of further films. I thought the first two films did a good job of establishing a universe, but I think it's a shame Bryan Singer moved on (though yay for Superman).

It has potential, that's for sure, but I think Brett Ratner might not have been the right man for the job of developing that potential. I also think they've might have tried to cram in too many characters as there seems to been annoucements every other week that a new character has been cast for X3. Oh well, we'll find out soon enough I guess.

The one thing that I'm worried about (based on pictures and the teaser trailer) is that there are too many mutants in this movie. This might be the last X-MEN movie and because of this FOX tried to put in as many characters from the comics as possible. 'Cluster Fuck' is the term that comes to mind.

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I can't wait for the movie. The event that Magneto loved to foreshadow in the first two movies ("hay lets delcare war kthxbye") appears to actually be set into motion with X-Men: The Last Stand. That gets a plus in my book; it's a nice way to kinda wrap things up.

This image pretty much speaks for itself. Anything Ratner is attached to, I have no interest in.:mad:

Juggernaut

There are multiple things wrong with that photo, but I cannot pinpoint any of them.

I wonder what X-Men they will introduce. Which ones haven't they covered yet?

I loved the first two movies, so I will definitely be seeing this one.

The X-Men are the stupidest characters ever, so the film will only be decent at best. Although the first two films were enjoyable, they were awful adaptations of the comic. Ugly black jumpsuits, Rogue as a 9-year old, Senators turning into stupid blobs, etc. And now, Bryan Singer has left to ruin Superman.

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I liked him in Snatch, and Lock Stock, but that is disturbing.

I hope the movie is good though, I still want an X-Men 4 with GAMBIT. He was great in the old X-men animated series, and who doesn't love doing the "Royal Flush!" in the Capcom Fighting games?

I think it's official that this will be the "last" X-Men film, and that they're treating it like a trilogy. Here's a quote from the director:

Who knows about spin-offs, though. They are planning a standalone Wolverine film with Hugh Jackman.

As for X3 itself... Eh, I really don't know what to expect. I agree that they seem to be jamming way too many "new" characters in one film. I fear the introductions of the mutants themselves will outweigh the plot - like, "Hey, fans! Lookie! It's Beast! There's Angel! There's Shadowcat! We don't even need a decent storyline!" We'll just have to see, I guess.

All this coming from a guy who apparently reads the Mary Jane comic book.

Fucking LOL, Megalith. You're as queer as the day is long.

archangel, i think gambit might be in it, and beast

Behold and weep.

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/8...susmet28fy.jpg

I was really hoping this image was a joke. No amount of "well he's different from the comics" makes that picture ok.

Gambit was removed from the script after one of the guys from Lost turned the role down.

Beast, Shadowcat and Juggernaut are new.

I love it when dumbasses from the internet who know little to nothing about how film production works posts a picture like this and says "OMG S0 RONG".

Five will get you ten he looks like that because it's an FX costume, so they can use a physical reference for "shine spots" as well as digitally paint over it in post-production instead of just making Colossus completely CG.

bleh, i liked gambit a lot from the cartoons... that's too bad.

Much like Venom or Carnage - Ive never understood this huge overt attraction to Gambit. He's not a very interesting character as a whole.

Do you know which actor from Lost was going to play him? I'm trying to picture one of them as Gambit but it's not working >_>

Well, its a rumor on the internet, so it doesnt have much weight

Right you are. Gambit sucks balls. Not a very interesting character, and he could get his ass handed to him by pretty much every other marvel universe character including dazzler and jubilee.

I hope they do some forced perspective to make juggernaut larger than life. I always pictured him to be about 12 feet tall.

Dude, I think he faught Charlie Brown and Charlie Brown beat his ass so hard, Gambit was burping farts for a week.

Well, see, things in comic books don't translate well to film. (Anyone else remember the Generation X TV movie? Ooof, gut punch. Was worse than the Nick Fury TV movie with David Hasselhoff). But the reason Juggernaut is *SO* huge is that it's suppose to play off of his sibling's handicap. Notice how Juggernaut is strong and stupid and Charles Xavier is crippled and smart. Not very subtle, but it comes across as such in comic panels.

I don't know how film productions works, but that does look wrong. It looks terrible. I would wager that most people aren't familiar with how film production works. That does not make them a dumbass. Furthermore, I'm not 100% sure on where this image was released. If Marvel themselves released it, why not apply the after-effects to the image so we know how it will look in the film? If this was simply a leaked photo that is something else. His pose seems to say otherwise, though.

Then you should not have spoken.

Uh, did you bother checking the X3 offical site? No? GUESS IT'S LEAKED THEN, DUMBASS.

Golly, Ms. Anderson. You're an angry lady.

Have you seen the old X-men animated series? Gambit was THE MAN in that show. He was always hitting on Rogue, and it was hilarious. Of course he isn't the most "powerful" mutant, but he brought the humour.

He's also really cool in the Capcom fighting games. Not so hot in Marvel Vs Capcom 2, but he was a solid fighter in X-men vs SF, and MvC 1.

Pfft, all the great lines were by Wolverine or Magneto or Apocalypse. (I'm still surprised about how many great smack-talk lines they wrote for Wolverine without being able to swear. They're plain awesome.)

the trailer for this is suppose to make it debut on TV during the 24 TV Show slot from 8pm-10pm PST.

They're not going to do that for what is a sole publicity photo meant to be a preview. This isn't a flim frame.

Man, reading through this thread, and the laundry-list of new mutants, I start to get very nervous. I hope they'll be confined to bit parts or background roles, like the hundreds of schoolkids in X1 and X2.

I just wish they could introduce some musical continuity into the series. I like John Powell, but three composers for three movies in a series? I suppose they can't very well hire Michael Kamen again, though.

I dont like what im seeing so far. I also don't like the idea of this being the last movie...

I want a movie with apocalypse :P

The first two kind of disappointed me, but I'll probably still end up seeing the third one. I got all girly giddy when I saw that Tucker from Flash Forward was playing Angel. Boy, were those the days.

Well for those interested a new trailer for X3 airs tonight at 9:36pm EST during the 2 hour "24" event.

I'm really hoping this movie is just suffering of bad PR and that the final product will surprise me, but after reading parts of the script on AICN I really have doubts this can get anywhere near good. :1zhelp:

Is it going to be a theatrical trailer, or what.

I'll just download it after the nerds put it online 5 seconds after it airs. I don't want to catch any part of 24 by accident, since I've only seen the season premiere.

Echolyn, I'm putting you on ignore for being an annoying fucking moron. Also for the colorcoding on your text.

That said, I'm going to watch this movie when it comes out. Not because I expect it to be good or anything, but because I know I'll have ten bucks for a movie and popcorn this summer.

At least, I hope I'll have ten bucks for a movie and popcorn this summer. >>

It appears to be the theatrical trailer. I quite liked it, but I'm a sucker for the style of the movies.

Enjoy. (Please, HD, come online soon.)

Theres alot of people around who always complain about what storylines they do in comic based movies. People bitched about Spiderman not having Venom, and now they complain about it. People complain about X-men...wanting obscure storylines that no one would care about...or Apocalypse, which I agree Apoccy would be cool, but you know if and when they do a movie with him...nonstop people will complain that he doesn't look right, or it doesnt follow the comic story. Comic nerds piss me off sometimes...especially the ones that are so obsessed they know things like Stan Lee's social security #.

itll probably be pretty good... but I want sentinels and the rise of apocalypse >.>

I dont give a shit if its accurate, I just want it.
I actually find, that when they change things, it can be more intresting.

I agree, I would like to see those as well. Especially the sentinels, and if they are going to make up characters and mutants....don't make them the main focus...but more like secondary characters.

I thought Sentinels were supposed to be in X3?

The involvement of certain mutants depends on the plot, for one, as well as each character's involvement with each other.

If a certain mutant (and in Spiderman's case, if a certain villain) doesn't add anything to the story and the relationship between the characters, then he/she is not really needed anyway.
In both Xmen and Spiderman's case, each character has to add to the continuing story of the movies that preceeded it, as well as put in something new.
Putting in characters for the sake of pleasing everyone would create a mess of the movie/movie series, especially considering how far out the backstory for each of them is.

Wow, the X3 trailer makes it look like a b-movie.

Well, I'm just happy that this movie is finally including two of my favourite X-men characters (i.e. Beast & Archangel ^___^ ). I'm not expecting anything fantastic though (I find if I go into a movie with low expectations, I'm pleasantly suprised... which sure beats going into a movie with high expectations and then feeling ripped-off) and I'm certainly not expecting it to surpass its predecessors... however, I hope they at least make a solid sequel, and that they actually explore the whole Phoenix-saga, and not just ignore it in preference of a mutant-free-for-all (I believe someone mentioned the phrase "Cluster Fuck" before :p )

Wow, chill out. All he said was that he didn't like a picture from a movie. So because he doesn't know specifics about film production, he's not allowed to comment on a picture? That makes you the dumbass for simply stating that, not him. You're one of those know-it-all idiots that think everyone knows about everything and when someone makes a mistake, it automatically warrants flaming from pretentious idiots like you. I bet you were abused as a child. Go whine to your abusive parents or something. Whore.

wow I like new trailer,but I want to know what happen for most xmen is look be evil.

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In what way? i thought it looked ok. a lot of special effects, but nothing that suggested it looked like a B-movie to me.

They made a pretty good trailer, we'll see how the real thing plays off.

megaliths a hater. His opinion is based solely on that.

Absolutely. I don't expect you to make any sense of logic but lets put it this way - if I wanted to know something specific about the Battle for Little Round Top, I'd ask a historian not a physics professor. Make sense?

If I wanted to know something about a movie - I'd ask someone who knows about movies (myself) and not fucktards on the intarweb (Megalith, you).

I fail to see how being logical, intelligent and constructive in my posts makes me a "dumbass". If anything, my intolerance toward stupidity is a fucking gift to you.

"Know-it-all idiots" is an awful analogy. They contradict each other without them being witty or sarcastic - which makes me wonder how much you understand the language you post in. Are you in an "English As A Second Language" course? Perhaps that may explain your inability to fathom what the fuck you are saying.

I bet your father pulled you out of your mom's demon cave/womb by your umbilical cord using his teeth during an oral sex session. Then he ate the placenta. Shoe-fucking, shits-for-smarts, cross-eyed, jamrag-eating cockbiter.

First of all, this is a forum where everyone is free to voice their opinion. You didn't ask him about anything so he's free to say whatever he wants. You're so dense that you're not even worth anymore attention from me and you're not even worth finishin this senten...

I really enjoyed the first two films so it's quite likely X3 will be a DVD purchase. My knowledge of all things X-Men isn't that great, who is the guy with the wings? I don't recall that character from the animated show. Still no Gambit? I always thought it was odd he wasn't apart of the series.

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough last time? This time I'll lowball it with a quote you might remember: "The ability to speak does not make you intelligent"

So, by leaving, you're dismissing me? All you're doing is not posting further stupidity on my internet, for which I thank you. I honestly wish more people would know their mental shorcomings and not even bother saying anything at all.

Warren Worthington III was a reoccuring character on the X-Men cartoon. He originally went to Muir Island in Season 1 to find a cure for his mutant condition, only to be turned into one of the Horsemen of Apocalypse. After a battle over Stonehege, the newly dubbed Archangel vowed to end the life of Apocalypse and returned to the series a number of times.

Has anyone else seen the clip Huge Jackman took with him to Leno? It was very, ehhhhhhh. It looked kind of lame and i dont know....I'm a little worried. :-(

Oh good Lord, I saw that clip. I thought Colossus looked like garbage and the Sentinel...the blockheads from Gumby are more menacing.:lolsign:

Check it out for yourselves everyone...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7aHf5rDwas

Oof, yeah. While Colossus looks alright, the Sentinel head looks awful. I'm warry that this is going to be TOO comic booky for its own good - Wolverine coming around from behind the Sentinel head is just silly. Hello Superman III!

Not as bad as you guys described it, but the Halle Berry's acting really seemed forced and sounded cheezy. I'm definitely a little worried about it now.

Colossus looked awful, is he supposed to be T1000 now? The Sentinel looked alright, and reminded me of a Transformer, but the scene where they just put in 2 spotlights might work in the comics, but looked real dumb on screen.

Personally, I feel like the clip's from an unfinished cut of the movie. It just has that feel to it. The score sounds off and the floodlight eyes are a little hokey.

I got that feeling too... if it's not, then this production is in REAL trouble.

Crap, the sentinels are in this movie? I liked them in the cartoon but I can't see how they wouldn't be a joke in live-action. It's also too bad they didn't ditch Halle Berry when they had the chance. She was ready to jump ship on X-Men 3, but after the whole Catwoman travesty she apparantely found she wasn't in as high demand for higher-budget projects as she supposed.

Still, this movie will be cool. I'm ready to see Jean Grey make her return. And I didn't think Mystique's makeup could be topped, but Beast looks even better!

I'm pretty sure I'ts a Danger Room session.

Also, I hope it's unfinished. Colossus looked way better in the 2nd movie than in this clip. But there is only about one more month till this movie is release so do you really think it is? And if so, why bring an unfinished clip to promote the film?

It's not unheard of. The movie does have a release date of May 23, so it wouldn't be too off the mark to think that the movie's not 100% complete yet.

Besides, The Da Vinci Code showed off from pretty early footage with a temp score from The Ring. You don't get much more unfinished than that.

You know, I keep thinking that if they're gonna elevate characters (like Colossus) from the previous movies they oughta bring back Jubilee. I'm probably in the minority here, but I think she's spunky and cool, and she only had like 5 seconds in X-Men 2. More than anything I'd like to see Rogue start kicking some ass; what use is power absorbtion when you can never use it?

Colossus did look horrible in that clip. Damn. That was some shitty CG.

Yeah, going from the dialogue, I would find it hard to figure that it's anything else but them training.

im happy as a pig in mud about x3..but im pretty pissed that

1. this is the last xmen movie
2. the director changed
3. i heard a rumor that they are gonna branch off and make seperate movies bout wolvie, magneto, prof x and others..thast TERRIBLE

This page contains links to not only the 7 minute preview that recently aired on Fox, but also some recently released clips from the movie. What are your thoughts on, primarily, the 7 minute long preview?

I personally liked it, mostly because it offered a bigger glimpse into Kelsey Grammer's portrayal of Beast.

The way it's cut presents the movie fairly well though that bit with angel seemed a little overly cheesy. Still Colossus maintains the crappy look from that other clip and generaly speaking it's hard telling if the overall levle of quality is going to lean towards the bit from that earlier clip or what they're showing in the 7 minute teaser. For the moment I'm going with "cautiously optimistic." Kelsey Grammer seemed to be doing well enough in the role from what they showed of him though.

Well, this movie is going to suck eggs.

Everything seems forced, contrived. As if its simply going out of its way to be big and bad without anything to stand on. The way this is looking, this'll be way worse than the first X-Men movie.

I just watched the 7 minute long preview and I must say I did enjoy it. Maybe the things they showed prior to this were just bad representations of what the movie will actually by like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ8mk...20Last%20Stand

Halle Berry is going to kick ass in X-MEN 3!!!! They got her doing stuff in this movie instead of standing around being eye-candy. I'm a big fan of Halle, a Groover.

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I was watching one of the commercials for the film and it had Iceman vs. Pyro. Now, I only saw the Phoenix saga on the FOX animated version of X-Men, so does anyone know who wins that battle?



So, if anyone could give me some info either by PM or here (if you want to risk using spoilers) then I would SERIOUSLY appreciate it.

The movies and the comics are such polar opposites in so many ways, they barely connect to each other. While the Pheonix Saga in the cartoon was pretty spot-on in terms of the original story - they even animated panels from the comic for the cartoon - X3 only has Jean as a "greater entity". Thats as far as the connection goes.

(As for X3 - Iceman doesn't die - but something does happen to Rogue)

Try Wikipedia. It has answers to most comic book questions.

The 7-minute preview went decently well with me. I did think that Angel's wing looked about as fake as the angel wings in the end of Kevin Smith's Dogma. But in general with superhero movies, I have accepted the large gap between what I imagine in my mind and what comes up on screen. The plot of the film still seems very dodgy to me, especially if indeed the Sentinels on in the films. I also noticed that almost nothing of the Phoenix plotline was in this preview.

Thanks for the response. From what I saw from the Marvel Comic special they had where they identified the characters, it does seem far off base (Iceman is suppose to be in his 20's and never really dated Rogue according to the special). From what it sounds like, it seems as though the director may have tried to incorportate WAY too many things in the film.

I'm not a fan of chick-flicks, so reading this statement from the director has me worried: "“My input really has been just trying to make a more emotional film. A film with more heart and more pathos.” Hmm. Ratner is in talks to return for a spin-off film about Wolverine."--Source

I think the first 2 X-Men films had a good balance of "pathos" (wow, someone else knows that word) and butt-kicking action, which has me wondering if they are just showing some of the action parts from a movie that could easily go sappy if he overboards on the emotion.

Bobby Drake has been with the X-Men since it's original inception back in the 60s. Rogue came onboard in the late 70s(?) after a stint with the Brotherhood Of Evil Mutants. She absorbed the powers of Ms Marvel which is where she gained her invulnerbility/flight/strength - they covered this topic in an episode of the cartoon.

try mid-ish 80s. That's when Rogue joined. It was in Uncanny X-Men 171.

Ah, you're correct. I remembered the cover but got the date wrong completely.

I like that episode of the cartoon series, if it's the one I'm thinking of. Anyway, I knew the comic book was out in the 60's, but the profile they gave for Iceman when he was created was that he was in his 20's (not that he was written in the 80's but that was his age when the series began supposedly). It was on the History Channel in case someone else caught it.

Thanks to Darko, I was able to hear the X-Men 3 score a couple days early. (I tend to get score CDs weeks in advanced but my editor sometimes keeps the really good ones for himself, the jerk)

I didn't know what to expect from John Powell - drumloops? synth? - but it wasn't this. This is really, really wonderful. The theme for the X-Men is bigger than Ottman's and the motif for Jean/Phoenix is beautiful and unrestrained. Lots of anvils too - think Don Davis, not James Horner. By the film's finale ("Phoenix Rises"), the score reaches Lord Of The Rings perportions. I know I still have half the year left but this is probably the best action score of 2006.

Seriously?

I enjoyed Ottman's score, thought it was well done. But if you're right and it is better, then I have yet another reason to see this movie. While an excellent score cannot save a bad movie, it can still make it bearable and in time, it will result in me purchasing the soundtrack.

Is there a way you can upload it?

I'm curious, has FOX ever bothered to market the cartoon series on DVD? If they have, anyone know where I can get my hands on a copy? I can still remember in elementary school, coming home and turning on the X-Men cartoons so long ago. I'd love to see them again.

As for The Last Stand, I'm looking forward to it. The 7 minute trailer on Dell seemed just fine with me, but I'm more interested how they'll translate some of the various new characters into the film (As I recall, Colossus was in love with Kitty Pryde). I can only hope that it'll be a good film and I'll get my moneys worth.

I dont think so, never as a complete series at least. I'm pretty sure, however, that you can buy fan-made dvds of the series on e-bay.

Thats too bad. They'd probably make a reasonable amount of money puting them into production too. I'll have to check eBay when I get home later. Thanks.

Its funny you should mention this. I found this link somehow - http://www.mediaenterprises.tv/produ...roductid=16281

Its a rip off though. Don't bother.

The X-Men cartoon plays on Toon Disney last time I checked, along with The Tick, Spider-Man and even Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends.

So we're finally on the same page about a Powell score.

I hope we get do this again sometime!

Whatever, bald man

I thought I was the only person within this generation that has heard of Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends. It's corny, but I still watch it whenever I have the chance. The most recent episode had the X-Men on it and had Cyberia (?) take over Cerebro and Firestar had to stop repressing her memory of her ex and fight him.

Also, Dave McCoy from MSN Movies wrote a blog entry earlier and it wasn't encouraging, but I still can't wait for the film...a little worried, but anticipating the release.

That sucks. What I've found on eBay is encouraging though. Hopefully, I'll get one of the DVD sets to check out all the old episodes. Eventually, I'll have to look on Toon Disney to check out The Tick.

Is anyone really excited about this?

Even after all the few dozen of minutes of crap that's been surfing around?

Hey! Ebert And Roper are going to review X-Men 3 today. Check your local listings.

EDIT: They gave the movie two thumbs up. Over all it was a pretty good episode - they gave a good review for the DaVinci Code but also pointed out its flaws (its better as a movie than a book, a lot of the stuff is far-fetched, the controversy around it is BS, etc) and they gave a pretty glowing review for X3 (Good performances, has some ethical questions that can be applied else where, you find yourself agreeing with Magneto's POV, etc)

That's great. 4 more days till it's released over here and needless to say, I can't wait.

I apologize if this is a little off-topic, but does anyone know who the American Indian person in some of the X-Men comics and "Spiderman & his Amazing Friends" episode?

never saw the show but i'd take a guess and say forge. He's the only native american character I can think of outside of moonstar.

Wasn't there also a fella who was given powers by ancestral spirits who was native american as well? Can't remember his name but I 'm fairly certain he was a really minor character.

I am definitely looking forward to X3. I will be very interested to see how much time is supposed to have passed between X2 and X3. It seems like things will be happening on a grand scale in X3, which to me should mean that quite a bit of time has passed.

I think Rogue is interesting, because she's not really Rogue. I think they morphed the role that Jubilee plays into Rogue's character, so that Wolverine could be a father figure to her. They really need to find a way to remove the lameness of her current state of power in the new film.

I can see how they added Beast and Angel to please fans of the comic book, but I really don't see how they will add to the film in a serious, positive way. (Except that Grammar's acting should be superb.)

Before Jubilee it was Shadowcat/Spirte/Kitty Pryde. They just recycled the same father/daughter relationship from better years.

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Lehah that isn't fair. I am so tempted to see what is in that spoiler. I can imagine what it might say though.

Well, keep in mind of something. The original end of X2 was different - so who's to say anything of changes to X3?

Magneto kills Stryker by impaling/strangling him with chains and Jean just "dies". The part with Stryker "drowning" and the Pheonix thing was a very last moment change to the film - so late that they show Magneto kill Stryker in the comic book adaptation.

I'll have to agree with your review of the soundtrack. I just finished listening to it in its entirety and I came away positively amazed. My attention was caught with "Bathroom Titles," easy, but it wasn't until "Attack on Alcatraz" to the end of the soundtrack that I went, "Wow."

You can't like every song on a soundtrack, of course, but I felt like the true standouts were the finale tracks. There were a couple of good tracks between Bathroom Titles and Attack on Alcatraz (Dark Phoenix's Tragedy, for example) that kept my attention, so all in all, I'd say it's a good soundtrack.

I don't think this movie is gonna be like GREAT!

The action scenes may be awesome, but story wise, i don't see how they can do it. Too many new characters. I love to see new characters, but in the first two, each character was introduced and brought in with some depth. These guys are just gonna show up? I don't like the sound of that, but we'll see. The action can save the movie for me as I am a action geek.

As opposed to the first movie where they introduced Magneto, Logan, Rogue, Cyclops, Professor Xavier, Sabertooth, Toad, Storm, Jean Grey and Iceman?

I'm just not getting good impressions of this movie. It has nothing to do with the new characters, and nothing to do with special effects. I have every confidence that both will be acceptable, at least. It's just the way that the story seems to be getting mangled. I'm not against changes to the comic book continuity, not in any way. The cartoon series managed to "remix" X-Men continuity to magnificent effect. It is simply the nature of the proposed changes that bother me.

I always thought that the Phoenix saga, and the Dark Phoenix saga represented the pinnacle of what I found enjoyable about the X-Men. The fact that the people writing the scripts for this film don't seem to understand the sort of things that made X-Men awesome to begin with is becoming apparent.

It's also becoming painfully apparent that you can't tell the kind of genuinely epic stories that X-Men was famous for through the medium of a series of films, unless they are planned out from the begining. In the comics, Phoenix Saga led to Dark Phoenix Saga, which led to the whole arc with Madeleine Pryor, and the repercussions of that sequence of events were felt for years.

I'm not saying it's fair to blame the films for not being comic books, but it does make me feel a pang. I do believe that even in the medium of film, more could have been done, and should have been.

So true. The relationship was significantly better in the case of Kitty Pryde, too. While I always found Kitty to be a cute character who was rarely annoying, Jubilee isn't on the same level. I'm not saying that I outright dislike Jubilee, but the writers never really seemed to decide what to do with her, until relatively late in the life of the character. She was also more prone to unfunny attempts at humour than Kitty ever was. I regard Kitty's early years with a distinct fondness. I regard Jubilee's early years with mixed feelings. She could be cool. She could also be lame as hell.

I'm also in full agreement with your assesment of Gambit. It's been my experience that liking Gambit is a symptom of being a n00b.

I disagree. Though this is the most expensive and elaborate of the X-Men movies - the deemphasis on "new material" and having "nothing to do with special effects" should force out - GASP - a good story.

You don't find the things that have been changed make you uneasy, then? It isn't that I'm against changing things, but the specific changes that have already come to light seem like changes for the worse, to me.

It just seems to me that the kind of writer who would make those kind of changes isn't the kind of writer I trust to be able to write an excellent story which is in keeping with the tone associate with the X-Men franchise.

It's important to me that the movies should, as far as is possible, remain in keeping with the tones established by the comic books, and preferably the older comic books. There's so much more to what makes X-Men great than just flashy powers and whizz-bang explosions.

I don't think the movie will be a disaster, certainly. I just don't think it will be outstanding, and given how much of a fan I was through the 80s and early 90s, I'd love for this movie to be outstanding.

I don't disagree that movies that are comic book adaptations should feel more like the comics themselves when being portrayed on the screen, however it is not a simple task in doing that translation. Some comic movies try it, and fail at it horribly.

With the X-Men however...I think we shouldn't base the movies off of the comics, but rather the writer's and director's take on the X-Men. Yes, I think The Phoenix and Dark Phoenix saga were amazing stories, but those were sagas, and I think what this new film will do is take the climaxes of those sagas and implement them to the big screen, along with main story. I don't feel Phoenix will play the ONLY major part of the story, of course.



But seriously...all in all...I think everyone in general just needs to relax and enjoy these films and not be so goddamn critical with every little thing and detail. It really has become that...more of a critic/judgement call, than a good time at the movies. I think we should just enjoy the movie, not get all strict. :/

1.) Whats changed?

2.) Story has to involve change. Otherwise it would be boring and no one would bother with it.

Be willing to hear them out is all. I actually greatly disliked X2 when it came out - its a real bastardization of one of the best X-Men stories ever (God Loves, Man Kills) - but I've grown to like it quiet a bit after some time. I ain't saying X3 is going to be Hamlet, either, but you gotta take the good with the bad.

I'd rather another Hulk (overly long, overly intelligent) than another Daredevil (too short, too stupid)

I don't think it's easy to fill 30 years of material into a couple of 2 hour movies. I think the fact that the movies attempt to distance themselves from the comics by being more "grounded in reality" than most of the Mighty Marvel Library is a strong point.

The changes made thus far in the X-Men movies do not bother me at all. They have managed to maintain the essence of the X-Men as well stay true to the characters (though perhaps storm is the exception). In order for the movie to have mass appeal and in order for non-fans to be able to understand the movie, things must be changed. Besides, they have enough hidden cameos and refrences thrown in there to make any fanboy happy.

I thought you said that they were changing the nature of Jean's powers, for one thing. I'd always hoped that they would do something Phoenix related at some point or another. They couldn't do it now, even if they wanted to, could they?

Of course, I will. I'll have my tickets booked for the first night at the local multiplex. I'm only complaining so much because I care so much. It's not going to stand between me and watching the film.

Well, if those are the choices... The latter seems to be what Joe Public wants from a comic book to movie adaptation though. Perhaps not in the case of Daredevil - I don't know how that performed. It's certainly the case that some comic book movies that I would have described as bordering on moronic did well at the box office. It's possible that we disagree, but I have no idea how Blade Trinity managed to avoid losing money.

They can't do so, as Disney also claims ownership to the series; Disney bought Saban, the production company that made the series.

Until the rights mess between Fox and Disney is cleared up, there won't be a DVD release.

Just watched it. It was pretty short. Alot of action, but not much character development

Yeah, the end of the movie is kinda "OR IS IT". Which is pretty cheap considering it has the balls to do what it did for 2 hours.

but you liked it? how is it compared to the others?

I'm going by the novelization, which is pretty terrible in terms of writing. Chris Claremont isn't exactly the most gentle of writers when it comes to lingo and terminology. I can't see the term "frequency modulation" coming out of Jean Grey's mouth.

The story it's self is very much a mix between the previous two movies - it has that b-movie silliness of the first (sans MUTANT MACHINE) while trying to be as epic as the second movie. It seems to mostly work on paper - I'm sure Ian McKellan is fantastic with what he's given.

However, there are some problems. (Ultra minor spoilers, but I won't risk ruining someone's expectations)

Lehah, is the Juggernaut in this one?

You mean like the last two movies which were very successful with general audiences?

Even I like all three movies, and that takes a lot. And it's a trilogy, no X-men 4 will come. Many of the characters, e.g. Kitty, Wolverine, Storm and Angel wll get their own spin-off, most likely, though.

HUEG-ASS spoiler:

Xavier can't move wood, either. His power is telepathy, not telekinesis.

Did you sleep through the last two movies?

Prepare to be disappointed then. And not just at the Juggernaut thing.

As opposed to other half-assed characters from the previous movies like Jason Stryker, Pyro, Toad or Sabretooth?

The movies are known for being too big for their britches. Quit your bitch'n.

Well after I've been anticipating on watching this film for quite some time now, i'm getting a little worried about actually going to watch it. The reviews have been pretty flat, but then again if it's just another typical spectacle driven high concept film then critics won't rate it very high.

I'm not familiar with the comics and their characters, I just enjoyed the first two films. I'm not expecting in depth detail about characters since there seem to be so many new ones, but I hope that the story will have a little depth to it rather than "hey lets blow shit up". So all in all, is it worth going to see or will I be disappointed?

I just want to know why they felt some ridiculous need to more or less "invent" a new character, Quill/Spike, for this movie.

Technically, "Spike" has been the bastard child of the X-Universe for quite a while. He's never truly existed in the comics proper, at least not as a character of noteworthy status, yet he continues to appear in other X-related productions. They tried to push him with that new X-Men cartoon from around 2000/2001 and he never clicked with audiences. They all wanted Wolvie, Kitty Pryde, Phoenix, Xavier, etc, as well they should.

If I had to guess, Spike/Quill exists to fill a perceived gap in the X-roster, one that appeals to youth in that ever-so-cliched manner that actually doesn't appeal to youth at all. Spike is TOTALLY EXTREME HE'S LIKE ALL UP IN MY FACE WITH HIS RIGHTEOUS 'TUDE AND FRESH MOVES CHECK IT.

Executives think we want that shit. This is the same fucked-up logic that causes them to put rollerblading kangaroos on drink boxes.

Now I haven't read the script, so I don't know what purpose Quill/Spike serves in this movie. My guess is "fodder". But why have him there in the first place? Is the character so crucial that it couldn't have been replaced with someone whose already been canonized? If Quill is meant to bite the big one, then I feel they could've at least found a REAL, expendable character. Husk or Northstar comes to mind.

He serves little to no purpose. Like a lot of the random characters they've added to X3 his only purpose seems to be to take up screen time and detract from (semi-)established/decent characters.

A poweful analogy this is. Most excellent, you have done.

I can name a couple of mutants who'd be great to throw into a X-Men movie - but can't we all forget about Generation X? After the original artist left, the series completely shit the bed. (House Of M, my ass)

Kick ass movie. Cyclops is getting screwed in these films, though. I think he totals about 10 mins of screen time in the entire trilogy. I always expected more from him, since he was one of the MAIN X-Men, being the leader and all (wasn’t he?).

ALSO, make sure you check out this link before you go into X3 -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?search=...&v=H746naqMkac

I can’t believe the director decided to put that in. Fucking awesome.

The major comment i've heard (and over half my school watched it, we had a free day after exams the day it came out) was that it was too short and

I really wanted to see more character development, e.g. the Rogue/Iceman/Kitty love triangle, Colossus being more established, Angel actually doing stuff! Juggernaut was way cool though and funny with his accent.


No one really complained about the abundance of mutants, but moreso the lack of Gambit and the loss of Nightcrawler. There was some good lines "Do you know who I am? I'm the Juggernaut bitch!" But some are corny too "cocoon of telekinetic energy".

My major criticism was that after watching the trailers, the entire exposition is predictable and seems disjointed. The ending is obvious and the only real shockers happen in the non-action scenes in the middle.




However, stay behind after you watch the film. There is an epilogue, not so much a trailer which I heard about from friends, so I guess this is relatively reliable

I guess I interpreted things wrong, then. Could've sworn, though. As you can see, I haven't actually read shit of the X-men comics, so I'm basing everything on what I see in the actual movies.

Why was I always under the impression that Beast was a genius scientist and not a politician. And did they refer to him as 'Beast' once in the entire movie?

Yeah, I think storm called him Beast.

I liked the movie. It definately could have used to be about 20-30 minutes longer, since it was lacking in character development. The ending does leave it open if they wanted to continue the series.

One of the CFOs or CEOs at FOX has already greenlighted X-Men 4, according to various news sources.

Only the best trilogies have 4 parts.

But stupid, snide remarks by jerks are not only left to the internet.

Well after seeing the film...I can't say I was disappointed in it, however the 'absolution' of characters were hit or miss with me.

Xavier once said, "There are no pearly gates for the X-Men. Instead, there are revolving doors"

Kickass! This movie was awesome. Like any other movie it had it's good parts and bad parts

Pros:



Cons:

I saw the film tonight. It was actually better than I expected. One point annoyed me, something which displayed a general lack of back knowledge on the writers' part.



Other notes:

It was cool to see Beast actually knock some skulls around. Tapping into his feral side demonstrated a three-dimensional quality to the character, which is more than they ever did for Cyclops.

I never read through a full list of expected cameos, so seeing Jamie Madrox (Multiple Man), Callisto and Arclight was a pleasant surprise. Arclight seems like an odd choice, since she was a rather minor entity dating back to the old Marauders squad. But hey, that's what a cameo is, right?



Wolverine was chased in the forest by the guy who generated bony spikes. I'm going to presume this was the "Spike" character that was quasi-created f the movie. Here's what I don't like: his ability is congruous with Marrow, an established character. Why not thrill fans and simply use her?

I'm then going to presume the youngster who looked like a porcupine was "Flea". Another made-for-movie joke. There's no dearth of mutant villains out there. It would've been just as simple to write in Blob or Avalanche for the part, or "borrow" a good guy to play an evil role (a la Multiple Man). Dazzler, Sunfire or Wolfsbane could've worked in that situation.

Something that left me uncertain:



What I did like was the scene after the confrontation at Jean's house. Logan's grief was actually believable and not overworked.

I'm also not weeping at the lack of screentime for Cyclops. Teamwise, he's an anchor but he's also as exciting as driftwood. The character doesn't emote much and Marsden has always seemed incapable of showing emotion as well. Frankly, all scenes with Cyclops, past and current, have been something of a bore. I'm glad the writing and directing team finally realized this and cut him out early. At least Storm has a semblance of a personality to work with, even though Halle Berry doesn't.

Also, which one was Psylocke and where did she die?

A spoiler would've been appreciated on your list of Con's, KCJ506.

Still debating whether or not I'll see this. The release really snuck up on me. I was looking at the internet this afternoon for show-times for Da Vinci Code and saw the show-time for this listed. Blindsided me entirely. Might just save it for the movie channels. X1 & X2 were nice the first time I saw them. No more beyond that.

My thoughts:

Sorry. I'm trying to edit it and make it so you can hide spoilers, but I don't how.

Use the ]spoiler[ ]/spoiler[ tags.

I'm just going to get to the point: so long as it entertains, it's going to satisfy someone out there. I came away satisfied even though I knew about all the nitpicks die-hard fans were going to have with the movie. I mean, it's a movie, for god's sake. No one cares if so-and-so's origin is inaccurate or isn't according to the book. This is an entirely different universe.

Despite the vast of wealth of interesting plots that have occured in the Marvel universe over the years, Hollywood somehow manages the produce something completely mediocre. Perhaps Mr. Ratner was befuddled by having actors that spoke good english or perhaps, heady with the success of the previous two movies, the powers that be realized that they could serve us shit on a silver platter and we would thank them for the honor.

To top it off, Juggernaut is not a mutant and he's not supposed to remind me of a He-Man villain.

Well about the Juggernaut thing...like soulsteel said...it's a universe based off of the main X-Men universe, and also the writer's and director's interpetation. I mean, how come no one is up in arms because Cain is Xavier's stepbrother?

And yea...Cyc is kind of one-dimensional, but I mean....he really should have had a bigger role. His wife died, and he's in the middle of a horrible depression. They should have tried to focus more on that. One of the things these X movies have is sub-stories withing the main story. It was the same thing in X-2, and I don't see why they couldn't incorporate more depth into those sub-stories, such as the Cyc one.

I saw the movie today. Enjoyable, but disapointing. It missed Singer and his team from the first two movies. Superman Returns better be good to make up for Singer leaving the X-Men. I admit that I don't know a lot about the Phoenix, but didn't Jean have way too much power in the movie? Was her power that high in the comics? I havn't read the Dark Phoenix saga. Anyway, if there is another X-Men movie, I hope Singer and his team come back.

xman25

Well, the comics and the movies are not part of the same continuity at all. Otherwise Rogue would be much older, Storm would probably have an accent and we'd've had the whole Lillandra/Shi'ar Empire/M'Kraan thing for the Phoenix.

Major disappointment.



Also.



Then the aforementioned wasted Psylocke, but that's just because I have a hard-on for her. For some reason she has her Crimson Dawn powers sans the Psychic Knife, but when she uses her "shadow leaping" powers, it looks like she's some kind of Kitty Pryde rip-off. There was barely a shadow on the wall she comes out of.

There were a few good action 'moments,' like Juggs versus Wolverine, but the movie overall just felt like a waste of seven bucks. I couldn't get over how annoying Storm was, too. She just seemed forced into every scene, which would've been okay if her personality and presence were more established in the first two films. This movie just felt like a Storm overload.



At least I got to see a full trailer for Snakes on a Plane and Clerks 2. That Pulse movie (which is yet another Japanese horror remake) actually looked better than it's source material. God, the original sucked ass.

When she was phoenix in the comics I'd say she ranked among the strongest beings in the marvel universe so yeah she was supposed to be that powerful. Regular Jean Grey's always been kind of a puss though.

Ah well sounds like it's going to be an enjoyable enough movie if I don't fanboy off on it. I'm really curious as to why they didn't just make colossus look like he did in the second film though.

I came from just seeing the movie, and I have to say I was disappointed. Perhaps all the good reviews for it raised my expectations far higher than they'd otherwise be. I liked almost every scene with Jean in it, as they seemed very well done, but the same can't be said for the rest of the movie.



On the bright side, I saw a trailer for Snakes on the Plane.

The movie definitely had its bad moments but overall I thought it was good. It was much better than the first, probably not as good as the 2nd. I did feel rather disturbed by it. Who cares if Juggernaut is a mutant in the movies? Lady Deathstrike was a mutant in the 2nd movie, big deal. It makes the world more believable when you leave out cyborgs and mysticism. I saw the movie in Australia, so when the Juggernaut said that classic line, I was the only one in the audience who got it and laughed.



Also, Jean Grey after Phoenix in the comics is not a push over. She’s a powerhouse and by far the most powerful of the X-Men.

I saw the movie tonight and the best thing about it was....

I guess you guys didn't stay after the credits for Xavier? It's pretty much stated as such.
I imagine he takes his inspiration from Quill (one of four, apparently), despite being called Kid Omega in the credits for whatever reason; Kid Omega in the comics was a telepath.

I saw the movie tonight as well. You could tell who had seen the above spoiler by who actually laughed in the theater. Not a lot of people did though.

The movie itself was entertaining.



My biggest problem was the lack of focus and misrepresentation of mutants and lack of screentime for them.



Oh well.

Jubilee has been in all three X-Men movies so far, but been deligated to background bit-player stuff. She didn't even have any lines in the first movie.

@VitaPup
I'm sure you know this but incase you didn't...

I didn't get to see the Snakes on a Plane trailer, wtf? All I saw were previews of that one movie with Uma Thurman and The Omen.

I liked the movie personally. I thought it was a bit better than the second X-Men movie.

I've been reading all these comments and everyone bitches about the same things I did, but no one mentioned the music? it was horrible.

To be honest. Other that at the part you mentioned, I wasn't even paying attention to the music. It was more or less nonexistant to me.

Anybody stay after the credits of the movie?



I loved this movie!

Snap, I didn't see the scene after the credits, and I thought I was fiendishly clever to figure out the thing about
I'd say I was entertained. Sure, it had its flaws but I liked it.
But I would have liked it if

Decent. It was better than X1, but pale to X2.

Id anybody is interested (which doesn't look like, but just in case) here is the original Dark Phoenix Saga as happens in the comics.


The Dark Phoenix Saga

Uncanny X-Men 129: God Spare the Child... (parts a, b, c)
Uncanny X-Men 130: Dazzler (parts a, b, c)
Uncanny X-Men 131: Run For Your Life! (parts a, b, c)
Uncanny X-Men 132: And Hellfire is their Name! (parts a, b, c)
Uncanny X-Men 133: Wolverine: Alone! (parts a, b, c)
Uncanny X-Men 134: Too Late, The Heroes! (parts a, b, c)
Uncanny X-Men 135 Dark Phoenix (parts a, b, c)
Uncanny X-Men 136: Child of Light and Darkness! (parts a, b, c)
Uncanny X-Men 137: The Fate of the Phoenix (parts a, b, c, d, e)
Uncanny X-Men 138: Elegy (parts a, b, c)

actually, thats pretty pimp, thanks vitapup

Ratner has no balls. 'Nuff said.

When did Jubilee appear in this move? I saw her name in the credits but I don't remember seeing her at all.

She was in the background when Xavier showed the Moria video in class.

All I gotta say is..damn..

I was surprised:

I just saw the movie and I loved it! I loved the music too!

My friend just told me what happened since i wasn't that hyped to see it, man after knowing what will happen, I definetly want to wait till the crowds die down before I go see it.

Check out the box office

Wow it even beat Spider-man 2!

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime...ge=open&p=.htm

Letdowns:

Also when is it safe to assume everyone has watched it, because using these spoiler tags is a bit of a bitch

To quote one of the great books of the 20th century - "You're a very pretty girl, so I don't mind your ignorance"

I liked the movie a lot but it haven't impressed me as much as Xmen 2.

Juggernaut was fucking righteous. Methinks some may put too much stock in a character who's around primarily to tear shit up and create some half-assed brotherly feud. Juggernaut tore up the place, and "I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!" was my favorite part of the movie, if nothing else, because it's the only joke that didn't feel forced.

It didn't help, either, I suppose, that the fucking tweens in front of us didn't get "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned."

What a dumb movie, though. Melodrama fucking abounds.

"Are we gonna close the school?"

"But, what, will, become, of us?"

"Hay guys I need a place 2 crash, lol."

"LOL YOU CANSTAY OK WE STAY!"

Crisis averted! 1 minute conundrum!

Angel was entirely incidental. If they pulled this shit they might as well have thrown in Gambit with the kinds of mutants they pulled out from their ass. Fucking Spike? Pawns go first, buddy.

"I kill people with hugs."

Yeah ok.

Yeah. I thought it was pretty funny that they were demonstrating powers. Mangeto was lifting the damn Golden Gate Bridge, Pyro setting things of fire, and Jean Grey disintergrating people. And then, there was Spike. "FWSHIP!"

I thought it was corny, absurb, and randomly changed from night to day when it suited the mood. But it was still good enjoyable summer movie.

Does Juggernaut really say it? This guy insists that he says it at the end of the credits, but I don't want to sit there and watch that to find out he doesn't.

nvm, found this video.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=A6cge738It0&search=i'm%20the%20juggernaut% 20bitch

ya, thats toward the end of the movie, maybe 15-20 min before the credits.


"I kill people with hugs."
agreed.

I enjoyed the movie in terms of action and junk. Having not read any of the comics aside from an X-Men/Teen Titans crossover, I don't have much of a "i hope they stayed true to the comics" mentality. I did watch the cartoon in the past but can't remember any specifics.

Mainly the usage of some characters irritated me...mostly because mutants were underused. Kind of miffed that a bunch of mutants popped up only to be killed (like when three certain mutants just get disintegrated like no one's business at the end).



Action-wise, I've got nothing to really complain about, other than I wished I could've seen more of the other mutants like Psylocke, or seen some of my favorites used more. I saw Jubilee's name in the credits and didn't even remember seeing her in the movie. After seeing Ellen Page as Kitty Pryde, I can't really imagine Maggie Grace in that role at all. I remember when they wanted her to play Kitty back when she was finishing up on Lost. Beast was too great, loved him. I enjoy how his hair seems to defy gravity, hehe. Juggernaut said THE line but the voice wasn't working for me, only because I was so used to the dub voice and the cartoon voice to an extent.

It just wasn't really satisfying character wise. Story was cool, though, with idea of the cure. They certainly left it open enough for another movie with the effects of the cure at the end and the scene after the credits. Local radio DJs kept saying to stay after the credits every chance they got, heh. And now I go to talk to my comic-obsessed buddy to see how much he hated it. I already got a message from him complaining about the portrayal of Phoenix :x

The emotions I felt while entering the theater for X3 nearly parallels the emotions I had going into X2. I thought I was really going to hate the movie. Unlike X2, in which I absolutely loved the movie, X3 left me pleasantly entertained, but I was not fully satisfied.

Anyone who complains about lack of character development, characters being misrepresented or whatever is beating a dead horse. These are the same complaints that have been brought up through each of the X-men movies and there were absolutely no signs of it changing for this one. The plot was actually pretty interesting, and the action was better than I thought it would turn out. Like everyone else, I felt the “j/k” type ending was absurd.

I’m sure many will question what Bryan Singer could have done with the film, but what we have is pretty decent. Supposedly a full hour of footage was cut, so maybe we’ll see some of it on the DVD.

Overall, probably not the best movie to close the series, but that is not the first time people have said that about trilogies that later became classics.

That's got to be the worst news I've gotten this week.

I posted most of my thoughts concerning the movie in my journal. However, I deglected to include this vital one: (Warning: Does contain sarcasm. If you are allergic, consult a physician, who will then laugh at you.)

Woo hoo! Another Wolverine-based movie! Sure brilliance.

EDIT: Could someone please PM me with info about what happens in the bonus scene? (Marketing needs to tell me about these things...)

rocktheparty, where did you hear about that much footage being cut? I think X2 did a good job building up the characters and plot and perhaps that extra footage was much needed to do the same in this movie.

Well, the key word is "supposedly." I do not have a credible source for that. I'm sorry. I guess I'm just really hoping that it is true so that my opinion of the movie can change.

I only mentioned it because I remember reading about it on some comic book message board on Friday when I was reading fan reviews and a friend of mine said something around those lines as well when I was talking to him about the movie. If I remember correctly, some scenes were Juggernaut Vs. Colossus and a Wolverine flashback.

So, I just felt that it was worth mentioning. I wouldn't take it as fact at all.

I went to see the movie again today, this time with my family. While they enjoyed it, they still found the deaths in the movie a little jarring. My father thought the "rebirth" after the credits to subtract from the film (I thought it kind of fit, considering this is a comic book and these are comic book deaths).

After seeing it again, I liked it more than I originally did. The scene in Jean's house was well done and I particularly liked the music that occupanied it. The movie's fun, but it still managed to bug me for many of the same reasons I've already mentioned in this thread.

Something I found particularly surprising about the movie was the complete shift in Magneto's character. In the first two he comes off as a driven man, doing what he thinks is for the good of all mutants. However, in the third he turns into a cruel bastard. For example, in the scene with the convoy, Magneto kills all the cops driving around the truck when he could simply have thrown the cars to the side. For me, this didn't ring true with what Magneto had been doing in the earlier films.

Magneto was practically out of character throughout the film.

Already posted a lengthy review in my journal, but I'll join in the random bitching.

I don't see why everyone keeps saying "everyone dies", when



If there's one death I was upset over, it was



Making part 4 about Mr Sinister and Cyclops might save the series, but that probably won't happen for another 5+ years.

The films are set in too "realistic" of a world to feature anything like the Shadow King or the Shi'ar Empire.

It's got a flaming chick who can atomize people. I think the line's been crossed.

Plus they could always come up with a semi-convincing story for Shadow King. I still prefer Mr Sinister, followed by Apocalypse.

But screw them both, they need a movie with nothing but Sentinels.

Then again, I loved the movie. The effects were absolutely stunning, and captured my imagination on more than one occasion. And heck, it's and X-Men movie. Of course I'd like it. There were far more good points than bad, so I won't even mention them.

Just saw it, and my anger and disappointments has pretty much been mentioned so I won't bother reiterating them. But I wanted to mention that I thought they still could have added Gambit into the story.

The way to do it, I think, is by writing him into the love triangle between Shadowcat, Iceman, and Rogue. If I remembered correctly Gambit and Rogue had a thing in the cartoon (right?), so that could have get things started between the two when Rogue got jealous.

Lol and what was up the Prince look on Arclight? That was so wrong. Man, it was so hard to tell if she was a guy or a girl. I mean if they didn't show breasts I would have mistaken her for a guy, a really homosexual looking guy.

BTW
During Xavier's lecture session, she was the asian girl, I think she was sitting beside Kitty.

In a sea of out of character moments in this movie, Professor X was probably the biggest asshole out of anyone. It was even worse when

I really disagree with that. Professor X was not out of character at all. If anything he was frantic and knew of the danger jean would become. He was right for what he did. As you see in the movie, Wolverine's views of how things should go down was not the most pleasant.

Movie was awesome. Infinitely better than lets say, Silent Hill.

Really loved the last scene when Wolverine walks up to Jean and of course the Juggernaut, bitch.

Yeah, I kept wondering who "That fruity guy with the dumb haircut was" until I actually saw her full view and thought "Holy crap! It's a man-woman!"

Also...

That thing was very, very disturbing. I looked at preview pictures on the web and totally didn't realize that thing was a chick until I read that the character was a woman. :o



Overall, I liked it, but I don't think you'd get as much out of it if you hadn't watched the first three movies. Knowledge of the comics also helps. I looked all the characters up on Wiki first, otherwise it would have been more confusing. I actually don't mind that they didn't develop all the characters - do they in any film? The only thing that I thought was cheesy about having hundreds of mutants is that during the battle at the end, they really didn't show any of their mutant powers, except for the very main ones. So, that scene didn't have impact, for me. Still, a great film.



Also, if they really had a "cure" for mutants, this is how it would pan out in reality:

Professor X was destroyed by a monster of his own creation, which had already killed his surrogate son, and goes on to kill several mutants and many humans.

How does that make the Professor right?

A fist fight broke out during the previews because some parent's kids were using a laser pointer on the screen. Some hillbilly fatass got agitated and went up into the top row where they were sitting and started having words. Then said parent shoves said hillbilly and fists begin flying. I can honestly say I've never seen anything like that at a movie theatre.

The movie was ok. Still, the charade before the movie was more of an event. They totally ruined the Magneto character, and killed off Cyclops needlessly. The action was certainly the best of the 3 films, though.

Too many mutants, not enough story.

How is that his fault? He tried stopping the Phoenix, not letting it make up its own mind. As stated in the film, Phoenix was a crazy, being controled by her unlimited power, not compassion or reason.

However, Phoenix was created by the professor's blockades in Jean Grey's mind. There was no Phoenix when Xavier first encountered Jean Grey, he simply feared that her unconcious use of her power was dangerous and decided to try to block off that portion of her mind. In doing so he created the split personality Phoenix which dominates Dr. Grey in X3.

Thats not true. Perhaps you should watch the movie over again. he states how when jean was young she had a split personality that called itself the Phoenix that let her powers control her. His blocks put the phoenix to sleep.

I'll leave it at this

I did not pay to see X-Men 3 - but I would like my money back

Ill have a greater detailed review when this spastic colon stops

Horseshit. Xavier states that he calls it the Phoenix, and that her unused subconcious powers developed its own personality behind his mental blocks.

Xavier sealed Jean's powers because he was afraid that her inability to control them would harm people, but he did so without her consent, and in doing so creates the Phoenix, and fucks over the X-men.

Yet for this sin, Charles faces no punishment, no atonement. The sacrifice he makes is rendered meaningless by the end credits.

Fuck that shit.

Also, an adendum. I was wrong about Spike. I thought I might have been, but Porcupine is actually Kid Omega, and he has the powers of the fucking Quill. So not only did the movie have too many mutants, it couldn't even get their powers right. They might as well have replaced him with the fucking Toad.

A friend of mine described this movie very poignantly as "the best piece of crap [he'd] ever seen."

As someone who never read the comics, I can't really point out the (seemingly many) inaccuracies, but what I can say is that while it wasn't overtly bad, it wasn't very good either. I hated Storm.
As for the miscellaneous mutants . . . Kid Omega was really fucking lame. At one point, my boyfriend had to lean over and ask me if Arclight was a man or a woman. Vinnie Jones (Bullet-Tooth Tony, bitches!) was awesome as Juggernaut. And Kitty Pryde was adorable!

What the hell was up with Angel's actor? I mean, really. Isn't Angel supposed to be one of the founding members of the X-Men? So what was up with making him look like some kind of dickless soap star?

Also, I really missed Nightcrawler.

Overall, though. Meh. The extra scene at the end kind of fucked up the whole movie for me even more.

Bradylama, seriously, see the movie again. In no such way did Xavier create Phoenix.

I'm not going to pay another 7 dollars to disprove your niggerdom.

Like Logan put it... He caged the beast without there really being reasoning behind it. Thus creating resentment in Jean and making that side of her into the ragin beast.

But at the time that he caged her, she wasn't as violent as she was in the end...

There could've been ways to tame the beast...

The end result being a bunch of dead X-Men and other lesser peoples.

Thus bringing up yet another untouched upon idea, in that sometimes the evil thing to do is the right thing.

Magneto should've been the vehicle for this concept, but that sort of ruins the whole basis of the Suprehero/Supervillain dichotomy.

I thought the ending was kind of weak.. I saw the meaning behind it


But still...come on..

Has anybody considered the idea that Jean's "Destructive Side" was childhood immaturity? There's no suggestion that her lifting everything in the neighborhood is anything more than childhood mischief. There's no suggestion that it's being performed by anybody other than Jean.

Nonono, silly girl. It hasn't failed to provide key plot points, it's up to the viewers to decide!

Nightcrawler who?

I know the game was supposed to reveal why Nightcrawler isn't in X-men 3, but what was the real reason? Internal conflicts, or was Ratner simply incompetent to realize he was the most well received X-man from the previous movie?

Also, could someone tell me what reason the game gives for Nightcrawler's no-show in X3 (so I don't have to play it)?

Apparently leaked versions of the script had two cameos from Gambit. Really, though, who gives a fuck? There's nothing else to suggest his absence other than a lame commercialization tie-in.

It's plot-critical! You have to buy it!

The movie did lack quite a bit when it comes to filling in the plot holes.

Had they cut the ridiculous lines like "She was enclosed in a sphere of psychokinetic energy" and "We're X-men", and use the time to explain the plot better. They also did an extremely bad job animating the atomization which (as powerful as she is) is the only thing phoenix can do. It just looks like they made millions of triangles of random colours at random places and rendered them.

Other than the levitation, and the massive destruction of property. That was El nino.

Here, lets me a list of obvious things that the movie did not cover

That doesn't account for the wall being untouched after he ran into it.

Well, Juggernaut's power is that he's unstoppable. When his power was based on the magical properties of the whatever crystal, it was halfway believeable in that metaphysical sense in that he could defy physics. All of these comic movies are going with the Ultimate Marvel version of things, though, so Juggernaut is a mutant. If Leech is around to suck out his mutant powers, then Juggernaut loses all of his inertia. He wasn't really running that fast to begin with.

I don't know how, though, the X gene would allow him to build up an unlimited amount of force.

That still doesn't explain the lack of effect on the wall. If anyone runs at a wall and hits it, they're bound to dent or scuff it. Not to mention, "dickhead" had a giant metal helmet on to boot.

I think I remember hearing/reading something about Alan Cumming not wanting to be in the third movie or something...I'm glad he didn't because i didn't really like the movie. The whole two different "love" triangles got annoying not to mention how did all this class 3 and class 5 stuff start? So what...are we going to have Super Mutant Level 5 or something?

Super Mutant Sayaijin 3! BULGE GURK FLEX

Juggernaut will send you to the next dimension!

If it was a drywall, you're probably right. I think it was, even. You'd think the walls in Alcatraz would me made of stronger stuff, though.

They're made out of candies man! Get your facts right!

I always thought that Juggernaut wasn't a mutant, I thought he gained his power from a different way, at least in the old cartoon he did..

I've done more running headbutts on school lockers to know that the wall would've had a dent in it.

Correct - Juggernaut got his powers from a mystical gem.

It would've been funny if he revealed that his powers were mystical after crushing Shadowcat and Leech. Hell, the movie was already screwed up, why not?

Juggernaut must weigh, without his "inertia" power, at least 300 lbs. He wouldn't have lost inertia just because Leech drained his powers. Realistically, he would've kept going through at least the first wall he hit until the natural laws of physics stopped him, since there was no "opposing force" pushing back at him.

Really, you have to look past silly stuff like that, though, and just take the film for what it is.

Theoretically, since the walls did look they were made of giant squares (of unknown matieral), they could have been too sturdy for him to go through under normal laws of physics. (It's really hard for me to comment on this because it's one of the most bogus powers, mutant or otherwise, I've encountered.)

Marvel and movie continuity are not the same

Okay, I just realized. WHY DIDN't WOLVERINE JUST STICK THOSE SERUM NEEDLES IN JEAN?

Far better than, "I love you!" *STAB*

Probably because she was tearing everything apart around her - but the attempt should've certainly been made on both Logan and the screenwriter's part.

My question is why they didn't just get Leech near enough to just turn her off. Conceivably she would have sensed him coming, but not if Wolverine was taking up all of her attention.

Professor X called Phoenix a being of pure instinct. I don't think it was supposed to be Jean. Wolverine realized as much. That doesn't explain why she woke up in the first place, since, giving Professor X the benefit of the doubt, he had taken steps to keep her subdued, and all Wolverine really did was touch her.

I just noticied, but if leech was shot with the dart..would he have been like...not mutant any more?

Also, I don't think wolverene touched her, he was about to but she woke up or something like that.

Good question.

Pheonix clearly picked up on Logan's desire to have his way with Jean and jumped on the opportunity.

more fight

But she never seemed to have a problem with Cyclops before. Sure, that could be because Prof X had more time in the past to set up a mental block, but the thing is that he doesn't say anything like that when he finds out she's left. He immediately assumes that somehow Wolverine has released her, which, of course, he hasn't.

POST OF THE YEAR. RIGHT HERE. END OF DISCUSSION. THIS GUY IS AWESOME.

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Dude, he was grinding her for a full half minute after she ripped him open.

Yeah, it took him a minute to realize that what he had always wanted was not what the real Jean would do.

I don't think there's any more to it than that.

Saw it last night. It was terrible, just as I expected. I'll write more later.

Just saw it tonight, but I didn't stay to after the credits, can someone tell me exactly what happens at that scene and what is said?

It's a small scene in a hospital that insinuates that Charles is alive. So... Magneto still has his powers and Charles is still alive. Thus, in 3 years we'll see: X-Men: We were kidding three years ago!

Stupid Rogue, if she didn't leave to go get cured, she could've simply grabbed Phoenix at the end. Or they could've cure needle'd Phoenix. Or that bald kid could've simply stood next to Phoenix. WTF? And was I the only one laughing when Prof X died?

So since the cure is temporary, all the mutants will get their powers back. I wonder if that means Mystique will join the X-men in the next movie to get back at Magneto.

This was posted on an IMDB thread and I thought it was interesting.

Yeah, Rogue was pretty stupid. Cellophane sex isn't so bad...

She literally jumped on him, more or less.



I had to see that film, twice. The first time was with a bunch of local friends and the second time with some univeristy friends who had just come back from their exams. I can't believe I saw that film twice and did not see that part at the end of the film. Next time I'm going to protest the idea of leaving the cinema without having seen all of the credits footage for food.

This is an interview with Patrick Stewart that kind of highlights some of the failings of this movie. Especially concerning the lack of character development and the studio's push to have this film out as soon as possible.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/x_me...ype=videolarge

People on the internet who think that companies are out to ruin their favorite franchises are dime-a-dozen idiots. Obviously, FOX wouldn't have invested at all if they wanted to "ruin" anything; why spend the money?

I'll tell you flat out that nothing had to do with "Singer's sexual orientation". I don't see him being aquitted of child molestation during Apt Pupil ruining his career - why would being gay?

You have to be especially careful of what you read on IMDB these days; it's more or less just another Wiki where people post stuff that they want to see/hear/believe. But unlike Wiki, getting stuff removed or edited once its on IMDB is very, very tough.

I was refering mostly to the later 1/2 of the article where it talks about the phoenix in the prior movies and fox rushing the movie out to theaters.

Singer has mentioned in interviews that the Phoenix was a last minute addition to the script. If you read the comic adaptation of X2, you'll see the originally scripted fate of Stryker (Magneto kills him) - which shows how late in the game some of the changes were made, given that the comic was made from the script and took probably about 5 weeks to adapt, draw, etc.

FOX made an investment. Why should they NOT rush to get a hot property out their doors? Movies are costing more and more money and taking in less and less profit. Sitting on the dailies and rushes does not pay FOX's bills.

This is just the internet telling it's self it's important and intelligent when all it is is some 14 year old thinking he's smart by connecting the dots to things that aren't even there. (I'm not talking about YOU, Im talking about the general "conspiracy theory" internet assholes)

Yes it was definately rushed as I saw in the movies today: A lack of character development, a seemingly forced movement in story and less screen-time for some of the major characters in the prequels. Also, I'm not familiar with the Comic books version, but do the characters die/devolve as quick as they do in the movie? 5 minutes in, Cyclops dies, Mystique devolves half an hour in, and Professor Xavier dies shortly after that. WTH?

Argh, I read about the surprise ending in the newspaper review but forgot to stay. Damnit. BTW, how does it insinuate that Xavier is alive?

I find it amazing that so many people are willing to accept that Cyclops is dead. We never see a body and the fact that every character has to repeatedly remind us that he's dead is more like them shoving a foreshadowing clue down our throats that he ISN'T dead.

I don't know... I suppose if they insinuate that Xavier is alive then...

I don't think Cyclops could've survived that attack from Phoenix. Sure he may be powerful but she was "off the scale" (or so they say). BTW, does he survive in the comic book (or was the Phoenix arc completely warped)?

I don't know if "insinuation" is the proper word given that we hear Patrick Stewart's voice.

Why?

We also don't see what she does, really. Any number of things could've happened after the camera cut away. Theres no evidence to support Scott being dead aside from supposition and third party dialouge.

The movie and the comic are two entirely seperate stories. The comic is incredibly sweeping and epic - the movie is not.

I'm aware of some X-men stuff, but I wouldn't know how strong Cyclops is. But hell if Phoenix can "shake" a whole island like that then what chance does he have?

I forgot to see the Xavier bit at the end of the credits, but okay.

And I agree that your view of the movie. You can virtually feel the lack of love in making that movie. I think I might read to comics to get a better understanding of the X-men world... But where to get?

DOUBLE Post:
Oh wait, I know where to get the comics -_-' duhhh

I don't see her shaking an island during the scene with Scott. It would seem that her powers manifest themselves in different ways.

Recommended Reading

Days Of Future Past
God Loves, Man Kills (Basis for X2, much better story than the movie was. Be careful not to get an AWFUL follow-up of the same name)
Dark Phoenix Saga

I never expected u to be a reader of X-men LeHah, and such a devoted one, at that..

Seeing as ur the one who probably knows the most, can u recommend me some X-men comic series that don't treat us to lots of colorful costumes and a flurry of neverending new introductions (which becomes more and more confusing by the letter)..In other words, the more "mature" ones, if you will?

Im thinking something along the line of Ultimate X-Men and that style, i been a fan since i was like 7 but sadly we didn't get more than 6 issues here in egypt (late issues of Uncanny X-men, i guess, between 234-265 iirc)..

Recommend !

I devoted a long period in my young life to comics. Now that I'm older, while I don't really collect anymore, theres a number of facets to my old hobby that I still enjoy. I love buying the occassional comic to see what an artist is up to - Al Williamson or Sal Buschema, especially.

I already recommended God Loves, Man Kills above. It's a VERY heavy issue that covers racism, religious animosity and ethical questions in a more "worldly" fashion than most comics would. They actually have one of the X-Men scream "Nigger" in one scene.

ok great, gonna check it, but recommend more.. also, do u know what's the last (/released) issue of Ultimate X-men?

Oh and i forgot, do u know any sites that count as good comic book resources? Anything related? Share share !!

I'm not sure if any of those Amazon.com links are for the right titles, given the reviews. However, the COVER is the correct image for God Loves, Man Kills

chaofan, If you want the Dark Phoenix Saga, I posted the entire thing in the comic board here.


Also, If anyone is interested in Days of Future Past, I could also post that up.

The crappy sequel is found here, so no worries.

If you're really seeking to lose the spandex, you could read the Grant Morrison run of New X-Men. He starts with "E is for Extinction" and ends with "Here comes Tomorrow". The plot sorta implodes after the twist in "Planet X", though.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/x-mennews.php?id=4329

Just how many spinoffs are they planning to do? We've got Wolverine, Magneto, and now Emma Frost who hasn't even appeared in the movies. I remember reading about them planning to do a Mystique movie.

Why so many spinoffs and not X4? Damn you Fox.

If Emma Frost gets a spinoff, then damn it I want my Nightcrawler movie.

You know, I really thought that was how they where going to stop her while I was watching the movie, either that or the cure darts....

Though she does say that, she also says "I think I killed Scott." or something along those lines. So I think if an X4 is ever made, it could go either way.

Well as I pointed out before, in the comics, its seems that everyone second person dies at some point or another but gets resurrected/cloned/saved by time travel etc. Even if Cyclops is dead, he may and probably will come back (ala xavier)

I'm not an Xmen fanatic or anything, though I did see the movie. So I'll judge it just as that.

A movie.

I thought it was fairly good. I didn't have any specific character anticipations, so "not seeing enough Colossus" didn't really affect me at all. The dialog was fairly intriguing. The character developments were few and far between, but enough to keep you caring about what was coming next. Obviously the special effects were great.

I enjoyed the uber-powerful Phoenix. I thought there should be more of Angel. I too think that Spike "porcupine boy" was pretty lame. I wish they had done more with Mystique(sp?) and her fallout with Magento, especially since she has played such a key role in the past movies.

Other than that, it was a good spring flick. What more do you expect?


Now lets see what Bryan does with Supes.

A good movie. Compared to the first two, this movie was terrible.

Shit, this movie was pretty much on the level of Supergirl. No, wait, at least Supergirl had Jerry Goldsmith backing it's play.

Any sites that count as good comic book resources? Why not try CBR? That site is truly the only good place to go for comic book information. If you have questions about comics (such as good X-Men titles), register and post in the forums. I'm sure you'll get a few suggestions.

Hmm... that may have come off as a bit too advertisy. Ah well.

No, I'd say it was on par with the Spider-Man Unlimited television series.

Spider-Man Unlimited was actually entertaining and had nice animation, even if it had an absolutely retarded premise. X3 has you ask why the characters and plot are fucking stupid, and doesn't have the excuse of being written for children.

Spider-Man Unlimited didn't betray continuity when it sucked. X3 most certainly did.

I think a great many of the people who put X3 down made up their minds the minute Singer bailed. I was just reading where Ratner was talking about how that guy Knowles from AICN used to praise him for the "Rush Hour" movies but just seemed to turn on him out of the blue.

What's funny to me is that a lot of people complained about the lack of action in Singer's movies and they wanted an all-out mutant vs mutant power slugfest people have been clamoring since the first film. In X3 we get more action and mutant vs mutant fight and a lot of them still aren't happy.

U know KCJ i had the Exact thought running through my head when i saw ppl's reactions to the movie..

Hell, i aint sayin he did a perfect job but for god's sake don't blame Ratner, Fox FOX FOX.. With their idiocy, no they didnt wanna pummel the franchise, they just dont know how to do it with passion AND effeciency, Ratner Obviously has Passion, but lacks professionalism, and hence efficiency..

To be honest the movie stinks of "fan-service", not saying fanservice is bad though, we still love it, but at the right time...

More requesting: PLEASE PEOPLE!! i need a site to DOWNLOAD comics , i cant buy comics since simply there is no source for them (and they cost me more eventually, since i NEVER read them from the PC, i print em on gloss paper, which costs a small fortune but is well worth it.)
Sites to download single issues mainly, since i hate torrenting an entire series only to find it boring...

I think the majority of people arn't aware of the change in directors because majority of people may no attention to direcotrs other than speilberg and ridly scott if even.

I felt 2 was the perfect balance :P

You are retarded. I actually watched the first two movies for the first time in anticipation of this movie because I thought it would be so awesome.

I now know the truth.

Harry Knowles is a fat fucking troglodyte that wouldn't recognize good taste after devouring the African country-sized population required to go into his buckets of Original Recipe.

Holy crap dude. Lighten up. It's the truth. There were people already bashing the movie before Ratner even signed on to direct it.

People who don't like it seem to for one good reason or two somewhat lame reasons.

1.They feel it was really a bad movie overall (which is fine if thats your opinion).

or..

2.They decided they hate before they saw it because they hate Ratner and/or love Singer.

3.They are hardcore Cyclops fans and are not happy with how that one character was handled in the film.

...of course there are some other reasons but those seem to be the three biggest. I liked it for the most part (for the record).

Just wait until Superman Returns comes up and most of the X3 critics will be giving it blind praises.

And you had your gay little montage avatar before the movie came out. Was that supposed to mean I should have expected your irrelevant defense?

How does a pre-developed bias dispute the fact that this movie was objectively bad?

Dude knock it off. I know you're a mod and all, but seriously grow the hell up. If didn't like the movie that's fine. That's your opinion You don't have to jump down my throat just because I liked it.

No, I'm jumping down your throat because you figure that people must not like it based on arbitrary reasoning.

And I don't like the notion of being lumped in a group of critics who will praise the new Superman movie. I can't know for certain, but I don't believe I will enjoy that movie, that is if I go see it.

Back to the topic at hand. From what I've seen, a large amount of complaints are either about plot holes, the section I fall into, or about the misrepresentation or lack of certain characters in the movie. I'm sure there are exceptions, but then that's the case to almost every kind of grouping.

I don't understand what is SOOOO bad about this movie. I mean I can see how you could say "it wasn't great" or "I got kinda bored", but "this movie is terrible!!!" seems to be just overeacting. Sure, it was rushed, needed more character development, suffered some poor pay-offs from good setups, had that horrible "spike" guy. But does that negate all that it did well? The putting X's motives into question, the great bridge sequence, the surprises the fairly compotent Jean/Logan drama, and action sequences were good. Maybe not great but good.

I think that the comic fans just are being a touch too hard on this movie. So many expectations just can't be met. Everybody has the characters they want to see, or see "scene centered" and some of this just can't happen.

I'm not trying to chide all the people that didn't like the movie. But I am trying to say that you should judge the movie by WHAT IT IS, not necessarily what it could/should of been to your mind. I mean all of us can think up a buncha crap that (we think) would make it 20x better, but that doesn't make it a horrible movie.

No. X-men 3 isn't a horrible movie. It's certainly no Silent Night Deadly Night Part 2.

What we're saying is that it is a dumb movie, and bad compared to its predecessors. What you fail to take into account, is that it's impossible to judge a sequel based solely on its own merits when it has to base itself on established characters and continuity. What you're doing is a lot like asking people why they didn't like Godfather Part 3.

No. =/

All of these aspects of the movie were absolutely awful, because they failed to really go anywhere. Magneto moving the Golden Gate Bridge is a cool display of power, but displays of power do not make a movie. Do you think the Star Wars prequels were good because of the cool special effects?

Rogue's choice to get the cure is ultimately pointless becuase the cure itself is only temporary. Will she continue taking the cure like some sex-crazed addict?

Cyclops dying all of a sudden is disorientating, and insulting. It's an awful plot device because it throws away a character that is integral to the X-Men. The professor's death is also meaningless because he isn't dead. There was no sacrifice to be made, the entire affair was pointless outside of getting Wolverine to stop being Wolverine.

The Jean and Logan "drama" revolved entirely around Logan and Jean wanting to bone each other, and then culminating in Logan having to kill Phoenix. This wasn't competent, because Jean wasn't even present throughout perhaps 10 seconds of the film. What this was, was Logan drama. A conundrum specific to Wolverine, not the both of them.

It's short-sighted apologists like you that support this kind of shit. I hate people that don't understand why Greedo shooting first is a problem, and you, sir, are no exception.

I'm not at all a fan of the comics. I've never read them. What I am a fan of however is good movies. Before I went to see this movie I heard incredible praise from nearly every source and it was at that time rated 7.9 on imdb (not that that's a good indicator of the quality of the movie, but that's still a little generous for this one), so I feel it was reasonable for me to assume that it would be as good if not better than the first 2.

In my eyes the first two were good movies, the third was not. it's that simple.

The great bridge sequence? Are you serious?


I'm judging it in comparison to the first two, something I find quite fair because it's a trilogy. I judge a movie based on whether I enjoy watching it. As I said before, with this movie I felt like I was watching one of the cheesey Mystery Science Theater 3000 movies and I did not enjoy it.

I would like to point out that I am basing the movie on what it is. If I take the movie separately from the other two, that makes the who Jean resurrection thing a bit more believable, but a large amount of the problems are, well, still problems.

First of all, I'm not an apologist. Second, I don't support this *shit* because I don't think it is shit. Third, I do understand why Greedo shooting first is a problem (which is why I took the time to copy the THX mastered VHS to DVD digital-format because their wasn't going to be original Star Wars movies on DVD). Fourthly, no the Star Wars prequels sucked for many reasons (dialog and poorly directed scenes being the chief offendors), special effects not being one of those.

Honestly though I just watched X2 a day ago, and there are similar problems in that. Pyro is a pretty "whiny" dead character. Magneto ask him "what can you do?" just like he does in X3. Wolverine drama is again, the "only" drama. Rogue/Iceman drama is not compotent. Cyclops is a "dead" character. As for the "not making sense", how about how Jean dies? She can turn the plane on and hover it when she is outside the plane, yet she couldn't do the same thing from inside it?

I mean honestly if you get really picky you can tear most movies that are these action/drama/fantasy combinations apart because they don't master any of the genres that they dip into. X3 is no-exception to this. Very imperfect to be sure. But enjoyable, yes it is. And that is why I wasn't disappointed by my $7 investment. Because I watched, smiled, felt, and laughed (Juggernaut bitch specifically).

Again, to me, you guys are expecting too much from a movie that tries to be all things to all people, and guess what? It won't be so dont be so disappointed.

Probably the same answer to "Why does her skin change color?"; it's not that big of a stretch.

The largest problem of this movie was the fact that they essentially replaced Cyclops with Wolverine as love angst guy, something that completely ignores the basic personality of Wolverine. Jean's love for Cyclops over Wolverine was already well-established in the last two movies, so it makes absolutely no sense to not have Cyclops be love angst guy as a logical plot progression. "I do it for you!"

Well, I don't really take that as a good answer. Blue is not a natural skin color, an outward sign of being a mutant. Red, though, is a natural hair color.

I've noticed a lot of people complaining about X3 not following the comics when there are movies that didn't follow the comics storylines and a lot of people still liked them. It's okay for the Joker to kill Bruce Wayne's parents or Superman to build his Fortress by throwing a crystal into some snow, but when a modern movie deviates we get relentless complaining.

This is driving me crazy how a lot of people are so pissed off about X-3 not following the comics, when X-2 didn't and X-1 didn't but they were great.. and Batman Begins OBVIOUSLY ignored everything that had to do with the comics and yet people love that movie so I'm confused on that part.

Why are people singling Ratner out for the changes in this movie? For example people are complaining that Juggernaut was a mutant in the movie when he wasn't in the comics: Why weren't there similar complaints about Deathstrike laid at Singer during X2 (she was a human who became a cyborg in efforts to kill wolverine because she wanted his adamantium which she DID NOT HAVE, and she didn't have a healing factor either)?

So they didn't make references between Juggernaut and Xavier being stepbrothers, Singer ignored the fact that Wolverine and Sabertooth actually knew each other before Logan got involved with the X-Men, or the fact that Singer NEVER made any connection between Rogue and Mystique (who was a foster mother to Rogue in the comics) or even the fact that Mystique was Nightcrawler's mother in X2? Or the fact that Jean Grey was a doctor in the first X-Men, Bobby was not a child in training when Logan joined the X-Men (he was an original X-Man) and supposed to be from the South? Or that Mystique was never a flunkie for Magneto, and Striker wasn't a U.S Soldier, etc. I find that hypocritical.

I think the a lot of the biggest complaints at this point are do to it being inconsistant with the feel and overall quality of the previous movies. Admittedly that's bound to happen with a new director and rushed release but that still isn't going to make anyone happy with it. After all while I've heard lots of minor gripes about the previous movies for not following the comics most everyone seems to agree that they're at least decent enough movies. Not so much with this one.

I saw this yesterday. I enjoyed it. The acting was certainly better than the first one. Maybe i'm too forgiving when it comes to movies, but i enjoyed each moment of this movie. It's deffinetly not my favourite comic to movie adaptation though. That's all i'll say right now cause i don't feel like getting in on an argument at the moment.

I'm gonna hafta go with this reason as my biggest beef with The Last Stand. I just watched the first two movies back-to-back earlier today and there was a natural transition between the two. There's just something missing between the second and third movies; I bet you that Bryan Singer had something up his sleeve for part three, and then Superman Returns called. That's just how it feels to me.

Irrelevant. Simply because other movies have gotten away with it because they were actually good movies does not make your strawman any more legitimate. It's not simply a matter of it not following the comics, it's a matter of them not having the same characters.

What, you think people didn't complain about that at the time of their release? The difference here is that people will remember X3's continuity errors with more enthusiasm because this movie was just dumb. Plain and simple.

Sacrifices have to be made in order to forge a consistant narrative within a 2 hour timeframe. We can't expect Rogue to be from the South, or Mystique to be Nightcrawler's momma. These concerns are rendered meaningless by the story that Singer was able to tell, and the fact that he actually got the characters right. Neither things can be said for the current iteration, but looking at context seems to be something you apologists are never able to accomplish when it comes to defending your blind fandom.

You are an apologist. You've attempted to roll over all the elements that made this film bad by trying to highlight the stuff that you think is good. Essentially attempting to apologize for what makes this movie awful by saying that there were a few good parts. You are an apologist.

It doesn't matter if you do or not. It's an allegorical example of people that don't see the big deal in continuity errors.

As for your "problems" with X-men 2.

Pyro is supposed to be a whiny character. He has to be angsty about not being allowed to demonstrate his powers to the fullest. He has a feeling that the X-men are just holding him back, a feeling that Magneto fuels and then capitalizes upon. He's Pyro, he's supposed to be hotheaded.

Simply because the focus of the movie ties in with Wolverine does not make it his "drama." Wolverine has a subplot that the movie dedicates a lot of time to, sure, but the actual focus of the movie, on his unrequited affections for Jean and her devotion to Scott is a drama that involves multiple characters. Cyclops included. While he may not have had a lot of screentime, his presence and interactions form an actual function to the film's plot, and his sudden dissapearance isn't treated as an afterthought.

I don't think you understand how much force is behind a motherfucking dam rupture, but suffice it to say that it sure is a Hell of a lot. Jean is no Pheonix, and while she may have been capable of manipulating the X-Wing, she was incapable of manipulating thousands of tons of liquid force without applying a counter psychic force directly to help shield the X-wing. Limitations to character powers is something that seems to have been forgotten in X3, though. Which is why I suppose you find it so enjoyable. Don't have to thinking so hard. =/

"Why are fans of an established franchise dissapointed with a sequel that doesn't appeal to them in a manner that initiated their fandom? It is a mystery."

I think having seen the movie 2 times now that X3 is a good movie, but it doesn't have the panache that Singer could have given it. Its too short a movie too to end the saga! There's nothing wrong basically with the movie, it just doesn't sting like X2, I was afraid Ratner couldn't deliver like Singer and I was right. Ah well, I just hope these sub movies don't suck, Wolverine and Magneto deserve way more then lousy spin offs as Elektra and alike!

Oh yeah, and Powell's music rocked big time :D

Isn't there a contract signed and dated promising 7 X-Men movies? I dunno, i heard it from knkwzrd.

I'm not entirely sure but if it's true then it'll include the spinoffs too for Wolverine and Magneto. Right now though Fox has no plans for a X-Men 4 in the future and the before mentioned Wolverine/Magneto spinoffs will fill it's place for 2008/9 slots.

FOX confirmed X4 mere days after X3's opening.

With all the spinoffs they have planned we probably won't be getting X4 until at least 2010.

I don't see how that has to do with anything. The spinoffs wouldn't be made by the same director or production teams, most likely.

They did? I had read something about Tom Rothman saying there would be a fourth film after X3's big opening weekend on the MovieBlog I think it was but then Dark Horizons had a statement from Avi Arad stating there would be no X4:
http://www.darkhorizons.com/news06/060530h.php
I fuck up in my wording in my previous post it seems but it's still unclear if X4 is getting the go ahead. Then again didn't Avi Arad just resign from Marvel? I'd imagine they might take a different stance on whether they decide to go along with a fourth film with Arad gone?

Avi's position is a strange one. He's still connected to all the Marvel movie properties, but as a third-party entitity now. Time will tell how much controll he has over future projects.

X4? Ya, ok. They've screwed the future of the series over with the horrible third film. Well, no, they haven't - but if they continue with the same level of quality as the third film, then the series is doomed. They should just hire some of the better comic book writers to make stories for the films.

What, you mean like they did for the Robocop sequels? Great idea!

Who better to interpret Frank Miller's vision than writers that aren't Frank Miller?

Getting X-Men writers to write an X-men movie would still be a bad idea. Comic writers are by and large awful when it comes to writing something interesting.

Truely. That would be like hiring people on the internet to write pretty much anything.

Doesn't it also ignore the fact that comics and films are entirely different media to write for? Comic books essentially give you as much time to explain your fanfiction plot and can be read through quickly. If people had problems with the Architect scene in Matrix Reloaded, they're not going to accept a movie with talking heads for three hours.

I never said that they should write the script, they should just write a story for the screenwriters to adapt. Oh wait, we already have tons of good stories for them to use. Just get Whedon to write the films. He's currently writing a good X-Men book (Astonishing) and he has experience with TV. I'm sure that he could write a good film if he tried.

Am I the only one who thinks that Multiple Man should have gotten more screentime. I clearly remember early set reports stating that there was gonna be a fight between Wolverine and Multiple Man. WTF happened?!

It would be a cool fight because it would allow Wolverine to kill him dozens of times, it would be violent but neverending. Also I thought in the forest scene he was gonna fight Madrox, I was expecting him to randomly kill a dupe, then kill another. Finally after a few I thought he would say something like " Haven't I killed you like 5 times already?"

I'm glad he didn't. Multiple man is a rather stupid character with a power that is too unrealistic. While this might sound silly, making copies of yourself that are wearing the same clothes you are currently wearing is not as unbelievable healing quickly.

Right, because it's the clothes that are important. Not several copies with the exact same biomass, biological functions, and energy usage.

Multiple Man should have his own movie where you see the amount of trouble him and himselves get into.If I remember correctly he sent plenty of himselves over to the East to learn different martial art styles so he could merge back with them to be an instant martial arts master.

That would be the worst movie ever.
Seriously, what kind of interesting history could the man possibly get? He's a one-dimensional (joke unintended) bad-guy.

He was certainly more interesting than all of the new villains (minus Juggernaut) combined.

I don't see how he could be considered interesting given that he has all of, what, 2 scenes and 4 lines?

He was certainly less realistic than all of the other mutants. Combined. I know the comics aren't as realistic as the movie, but I myself am not a fan of the comics (haven't ever read them, so I'm neutral). The jump from a single gene causing extreme mutations to the ability to create clones of yourself instantly is a little large in my eyes. All in all, I have to ask why they chose to include that mutant.

I'm still wondering why the hell did they make Psylocke a villain? Why did they even include her in the movie at all? It's really weird a character that appeared at the beggining in the church, with main brotherhood ones like Callisto and Arclight suddenly dissappeared during the rest of the film until the end, in one of the latest scenes, the lab one. Don't you think?

The problem is they never established to be an important character. They never established her connections with Magneto's cause......or even with Callisto, Quill, and Arclight.....

So her presence makes no sense. It seems they cut out the meat of her character's screentime. Why not cut the character out completely?

Didn't they make a movie like this already?

Multiplicity ? Starring Michael Keaton?

Sure it didn't star multiple man himself.. but the concept was intact

Because by having Joker kill Bruce Wayne's parents, neither character is essentially changed, and the story can go forward without needless explanation. Comics aren't movies; they have less time to introduce and set the basis for a story that will conclude in an hour and a half to two hours. Superman building the Fortress of Solitude with a crystal doesn't change anything about how Superman/Clark Kent behaves as a character nor does it change his interactions with the world. These are alright things to change. Minor storyline changes that in effect don't alter the core essentials.

However, when you kill off not only the leader of the X-Men early in the movie in a back-handed, non-meaningful way, that does change the way the X-Men operate. Not only that, but you kill off the originator of the X-Men, and the person from where they get their morals...those things are changes that do affect the X-Men as a whole, and not in a good way.

Other examples: Having the Kingpin as a black man instead of a white man didn't change the character for me. He was still the Kingpin. However having him brawl with Daredevil in a pointless fight at the end of the movie did change the character for me. He was no longer the crime-lord mob-boss who used others to do his dirty work; instead he was tough-guy thug thrown in for a useless scene. And that was only one of the many failings of Daredevil. I'm with LeHah on this one: I would much rather see Hulk sequals than Daredevil sequals especially if they followed the same formula as the movies that started them.

How about Doom? Changing him to a character that got "powers" the same way as the rest of the Fantastic 4 really detracted from the character as a whole, turning one of the best villains of all time into a two-bit hack character. Doom's major claim to faim was his intellect, and that he created everything he had himself to be able to combat the Fantastic 4 even with their powers. Instead of trying to find a way to explain a background for him that would do him justice, they simply copped out and gave him "powers".

As I said, as long as the core of the character holds true, then the movie works. Batman Begins worked so well because of how they treated the characters in that movie, not only making Bruce "human" instead of the current "god" he is in the comics, but also making him believable. Part of Batman's charm is that he is human in the face of overwhelming odds, and yet he still finds the way to succeed. Batman is not a "Super"hero in that sense of the word. He's more like a MacGuyver, making do with what he's got. And he becomes a much better character for it.

There are parts in the first two movies I didn't like as well, like Rogue for the most part being poorly represented, but overall the characters were well done, not only having main characters (although Cyc's role should have definately been stronger), but side characters/cameos that were there for the fans. In the third movie, they stuck in the side characters at the expense of the main character's story, which detracted muchly from it, making the characters even weaker overall. The difference between Hulk/Spiderman/Batman/Superman and the X-Men is that the former are all single character driven stories. You only have one guy to really worry about. With the X-Men you have many people to balance out evenly, not only explaining all of them, but trying to create a story that makes them all useful. X-Men 3 fails in that respect, by not focusing on what makes the other movies strong. Sure, it's pretty to look at, but special effects does not a good movie make. Someday maybe Hollywood will realize that, and I'm just hoping beyond hope that they don't fumble with the Superman movie. The biggest Superhero Icon of all time deserves a worthy movie to his name, not another "Daredevil" inspired dreck.

I do complain to my friends about the changes to Juggernaut. Me I'm of the opinion that they could have given him his real background, and made him CG like the Hulk to make him more like the true Juggernaut. Besides, Juggernaut is a somewhat more known, and liked, character than Lady Deathstrike is. Sure, it does't excuse the liberties they took with her character (I don't think they should have, at any rate), but the more prolific a character is, the more reason one has in getting it right.

I'm also of the opinion that they shouldn't have made Spidey's web-shooters organic. That changes the character. In the comics (the originals, not today's watered down garbage that Marvel is spewing out), Spidey is an intelligent inventor, a young Reed Richards (I can't remember who described him as such, but the description was there) who was known for outsmarting his opponents just as much as beating them hand-to-hand. By removing the web-shooters, they "dumbed down" the character, making for a simpler story, but also detracting from the character as a whole. On the flip side, giving Green Goblin an exoskeleton instead of a rubber mask doesn't change the character. He still has the Goblin Glider, Goblin Serum and the bombs; he's still just as crazy as in the comics. Some changes are good/liveable, others are not.

Which is why I find the X-Men movies weaker overall than the Spidey movies. They are more flash than about the characters and the story. But even said, the first two movies are miles above what the third one was. The third one to me will probably fall into the same camp as Superman 3 and 4, Alien vs. Predator, Highlander 2 and 4: ie they don't exist.

I don't think X-Men 3 wanted to Follow the Comics Completely. That would Be boring. Making a New Story though would Be more Exhilirating. If people wanted a show to follow the Comics completely they should watch the TV Shows. Spiderman's Web In the movie came with the Package. It was built in. But in the comics and tv show, Parker had to build Cartridges. This is Just like that. If they were messing up the Story too much Stan Lee would've Come in and said "HEY, HEY!! YOU'RE FU&*#$G UP MY STORY!!"

1.) Stan Lee had nothing to do with Rogue
2.) Stand Lee had nothing to do with the writing of any of the movies
3.) I sincerely doubt they'll give Rogue the powers of Ms Marvel. It would be too much for the movie to remain believable.

Isn't the Wolverene Movie supposed to show some kind of link between him and Sabertooth?

(like a month late)

Go read Frank Miller's Batman: Year One.

They ignored far less than you think.

I´m not as educated as many of you in the whole storyline of the X-men or really any comic, partially because there´s just way too much out on it for me to start. But I did really like X3. I remember some years ago we were arguing here about how they butchered a lot of the elements of The Fellowship of the Ring (LOTR) and a lot of people were pissed. I guess it doesn´t bother me because I like what I do know about the comics and I like the movies and I don´t believe they necessarily have to be similar. Ha, most of my X-men education comes from the cartoon, actually. I wonder if it was accurate.

I do wish the first one had explained just a little about the history between Sabretooth and Wolverine. And aren´t Mystique and Sabretooth the parents of Nightcrawler? I think the whole explanation of Juggernaut´s gem, where I think he gets his powers, would´ve been too much for most audiences today. I think,if you try to enjoy the movie for what it is and not make comparisons, you´ll have an easier time enjoying it.

Like Catwoman?

Not so much like Catwoman. More like Dune.

I only compared it to the earlier installment, as I am not _that_ familiar with the comices. Unluckily, the second movie was just miles ahead of this one.

Sabertooth and Mystique were the parents of Graydon Creed, a normal human who was anti-mutant. Mystique got banged by a demon-like mutant to get Nightcrawler.

Ah, okay. I thought it just made sense they´d be his parents, seeing as he´s blue like her and the fangs and other stuff from Sabertooth.

Jaroh, I guess I should´ve mentioned what I said didn´t apply to ALL movies, only the relevant ones. I don´t think it´d be possible to make a decent Catwoman movie anyway, I think characters like that are better off as costars. I think they did well enough in the second Batman.

However, what happened in the comics probably doesn't apply to the movies. They have a lovely habit of pick 'n choose

Yeah, I was just talking about how it was in the comics. I've never been one to give a shit about insignificant differences between the comics and the movies.

According to Wikipedia, the DVD release will contain 21 deleted scenes and three alternate endings. I guess we all know now, where the 20+ minutes of character development went, that could have made the movie a whole lot less bland. But then again, that's what we've come to expect from Fox.

Or, the deleted scenes could be as spectacularly crappy as the rest of the movie. There's really no way to say.