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RYU Mar 19, 2006 10:11 AM

Xbox 360 Hacked
 
Take it From:
xbox360.qj.net

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PSP homebrew developer Nytrix, from our forums, has confirmed an earth shattering breakthrough in the Xbox 360 hacking scene today. As you know, we earlier, reported on the issue of backup games being playable on the Xbox 360. The author of the video was unwilling to give out the technique that he used to accomplish this feat. However, Nytrix has gone above and beyond and determined the methods used and claims to have duplicated the procedure, along with providing more information on exactly how and why this is possible. Apparently this is only applicable (at this time) on the Hitachi drives that come with the Xbox 360, however we expect to see breakthroughs in all drives very soon. Here is a quote from our forums from Nytrix.


I have figured out how it was done in the video. (the video of the guy playing the PGR3 backup) here's the instructions, I am currently playing Full Auto (Backed up).

It's a modified firmware of the Xbox 360 DVD-ROM drive. As you (should) know, all Xbox 360 executables (XEX files) are signed by Microsoft (with a private key only MS has). This means that if you try to change anything to the XEX file, the signature will be wrong and the file will not boot.

Now ... to protect from booting an exact 1:1 copy of a game from a DVD-+R, microsoft gave each XEX file a 'mediaflag'. This mediaflag tells the Xbox 360 from which media (cd-r, dvd-r, dvd+r, dvd-rw, hdd, dvdxbox, dvdxbox360, ...). Changing this mediaflag in XEX is not an option as it'll break the signature (see above), so ... what's done in this firmware hack is breaking the detection of the disc.


As you can see, he has found the flaw in Microsoft's self professed "bullet proof security" by simply modifying the firmware of the DVD drive to allow backup copies of official games to boot. Now as simple as this may sound, it does require some advanced soldering skills, and will probaby not be within the means of the average person. However, with this astonishing breakthrough, we do fully expect to see Xbox 360 DVD ROM's for sale on ebay with the hacked firmware soon.

Check out our previous coverage of this topic with a video of it in action http://dl.qj.net/index.php?pg=12&fid=5373

[While we do not support piracy here at QJ.NET, we will always cover the news. Reporting on something is not the same as encouraging it - just like reporting a murder on the 10 o'clock news does not encourage you to kill people. A member of our forums has confirmed what was shown in the previous;y released video and shared the resources he used to do duplicate it - without giving an indepth "how-to" that might be construed as encouraging the piracy of Xbox games. It is our belief that this breakthrough is the first step in getting unsigned code and homebrew programs to be executed on the Xbox 360 and is a valuable piece of information that could positively benefit the Xbox 360 Community.]
Is seem is ture.wait and see if ture or not

Newbie1234 Mar 19, 2006 10:28 AM

Very nice. I can't wait to see where this goes.

CileGray Mar 19, 2006 10:36 AM

So much for being 'unhackable'

Jay Fox R.W.S. Mar 19, 2006 11:02 AM

Great. I just want to know how long before we can buy hacked 360s so I don't have to get my hands dirty.

*AkirA* Mar 19, 2006 01:01 PM

Man, I cant wait for the only modders and cheaters to ruin all my games! Onlines just not online unless your getting fucked over.

Musharraf Mar 19, 2006 01:05 PM

So, hacking an online console is possible, then. Aha. This is extremely astonishing, really.

silvervalkyrie Mar 19, 2006 03:49 PM

Well, it was a matter of time. Let's see how long before Microsoft responds; and how.

Neogin Mar 19, 2006 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by silvervalkyrie
Well, it was a matter of time. Let's see how long before Microsoft responds; and how.

Most likely with an update, by downloading it from X-BOX Live.

Sir VG Mar 19, 2006 04:14 PM

They'll probably do the same thing they did when the Xbox got modchipped/hacked: ban you from Xbox Live.

silvervalkyrie Mar 19, 2006 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Neogin
Most likely with an update, by downloading it from X-BOX Live.

LOL. Secret patch.

T1249NTSCJ Mar 19, 2006 05:10 PM

That's great news, another 1up on the PS3. :p
Now if only M$FT will got those systems out there already.

Solis Mar 19, 2006 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CileGray
So much for being 'unhackable'

I don't think anyone ever thought the Xbox 360 would be unhackable.

B4-Hunter Mar 20, 2006 04:32 AM

Well well very interesting how X360 is being fucked since it was released =P First not secured Demo disc and now DVD Firmware hack... NICE!!

Sexninja Mar 20, 2006 05:40 AM

Thanks for heads up Ryu,xbox360 piracy is one of the most awaited things this year.

Eleo Mar 20, 2006 05:51 AM

Wow you say that like it'll now be some kind of holiday. Did MS really say unhackable? Sounds like a marketing thing. But then again, they advertise the same with their WMA/WMV DRM and for the most part it can't be cracked. (The DRM can be shaved off if you have a license but cannot be bruteforced.)

I'm wondering what the response to PS3 will be. They practically have copy protection built in thanks to the fact no one will own a Blu-Ray writer for like a decade.

Oh wait, PS3 isn't coming out for another decade. Nevermind. :doh:

Solis Mar 20, 2006 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by B4-Hunter
Well well very interesting how X360 is being fucked since it was released =P First not secured Demo disc and now DVD Firmware hack... NICE!!

Not really, so far none of this equates to anything for the average Xbox 360 owner yet. From the sound of it the group that came up with this method isn't planning to release the information about it because it doesn't do anything except let you play burned copies of games (while they want to make it so that you can run user-made software on the console). Even then though, the use of this wouldn't be nearly as wide-spread or useful as a mod chip was. When they get to the point where you can install a modchip/firmware hack yourself that lets you run user-made programs and download games to the harddrive, then it will start to take off.

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Wow you say that like it'll now be some kind of holiday. Did MS really say unhackable?
Actually they more or less admitted that the system would be hacked/cracked/modded/etc. eventually, but that they worked to make it as hard as possible to do it. It's been about 5 months and there are still no real mod chips for the system (or real ways to pirate games, since noone's released the method to do so yet), so I'd say they've done an OK job of that so far. But we'll see how long it takes for them to blow the whole system wide open.

Kilroy Mar 20, 2006 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Eleo
Oh wait, PS3 isn't coming out for another decade. Nevermind. :doh:

Would have been hi-larious if it wasn't for the fact that it comes this fall..

Actually, so far I can only see this being used for piracy. It is so far impossible to use any kind of homebrew or games with modified content. (This said, I'm writing this under the assumption that MS fixed the 'bug', which made it possible to use certain products via the Home Media Center...)
This will not benefit me in anyway (yet) but I will continue to watch. The second a chip exists, which allows me to play debug games, I'll get another X360 and a chip like this *snaps*.

Soluzar Mar 20, 2006 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Solis
I don't think anyone ever thought the Xbox 360 would be unhackable.

I still do think that long term, no hack will be practical for the end user. You realise that this is not something which you can easily do in your home, correct? You realise that the equipment you would need is a long way out of the ordinary?

You also realise that MS can patch the 360 at any time, via Live! to render this hack useless? Now tell me this is a giant leap forward.

Eleo Mar 20, 2006 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Kilroy
Would have been hi-larious if it wasn't for the fact that it comes this fall..

http://www.webster.com/dictionary/hyperbole

Soluzar Mar 20, 2006 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Kilroy
This will not benefit me in anyway (yet) but I will continue to watch. The second a chip exists, which allows me to play debug games, I'll get another X360 and a chip like this *snaps*.

The second that there's a chip available that would let me run XBMC360 (which does not yet exist) I'd be interested. I have no confidence that this time will come, however.

Sexninja Mar 21, 2006 02:56 AM

[QUOTE=Eleo]Did MS really say unhackable?QUOTE]

Yeah dude THEY did (watch both videos below).

http://www.youtube.com/watch_fullscr...99&fs=1&title=

http://www.filecloud.com/files/file.php?file_id=3057


Videos are released as proof and with tight PUN..lol

Have FUN!

Solis Mar 21, 2006 09:21 AM

[QUOTE=Sexninja]
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Originally Posted by Eleo
Did MS really say unhackable?QUOTE]

Yeah dude THEY did (watch both videos below).

No dude, THEY didn't. If you'll notice, you'll see that MS never said the Xbox 360 would be hack proof. In fact, here's the article those quotes came from where they said the exact opposite:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4218670.stm

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"There are going to be levels of security in this box that the hacker community has never seen before."

Part of the motivation behind this is to prevent people from using the 360 to watch pirated films or TV shows.

But Mr Satchell admitted no system was fool-proof and that, with enough time and dedication, the security on the Xbox 360 would be broken.

"There're some really bright people in the world with some really expensive hardware," he said.

"I'm sure sooner or later someone will work out how to circumvent security. But the way we have done the design doesn't mean that it will work on somebody else's machine."
So far, this seems to be the case, especially since they haven't found a way around the "individualized" security features. Not to mention I doubt they'll make a hack that lets you use Xbox Live with a console that's modded/flashed/whatever with those components on (and sometimes even if they're off). I think that's by far the most important security that probably noone will ever find a way around.

Spike Mar 22, 2006 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by *AkirA*
Man, I cant wait for the only modders and cheaters to ruin all my games! Onlines just not online unless your getting fucked over.

Haha. That's so true

Jurassic Park Chocolate Raptor Mar 22, 2006 02:22 PM

Yeah, this is bad news for those of us who actually like to play on Live ranked matches. It'll be so fun playing against people with cheats! Akira speaks the never ending truth.

Unfortunate that it was cracked this soon. And here I was hoping it might take a year before this happened. Oh well. People will try so hard to make sure they don't have to pay for things. =\

Jay Fox R.W.S. Mar 22, 2006 02:30 PM

How does pirated games = more cheating?

Jurassic Park Chocolate Raptor Mar 22, 2006 02:45 PM

Pirated games themselves are no big deal, but as soon as mods that circumvent security start popping up, there are the inevitable ones that enable cheating in online matches. And if they exist, asshats will use them. This is the way of the internet.

This whole thing is just a preamble to the eventual online cheating. That's what I'm getting at.

RYU Mar 22, 2006 04:15 PM

Microsoft Comments on "Hacked" Xbox360

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If you have been following our previous reports on the Xbox 360 being hacked then this should be as no surprise. Microsoft has issued an official response to that XBOX 360 firmware hack. It looks like an MS required update will be in our near future...

The core security system has not been broken. However, it is reported that the authentication protocol between the optical disc drive and the console may be attacked, which if accurate could allow people to play illegally copied games. Our security team is aware of this and we are investigating potential solutions to this issue. The Xbox 360 platform was designed to be updated, and we are prepared to respond appropriately should any unauthorized activity be identified.

Everyone should keep in mind that Microsoft invests a great deal of time and effort to ensure that Xbox gamers enjoy the most powerful and exhilarating game experience available today. Genuine and unmodified Microsoft Xbox products provide gamers with the reliability, security, support and dynamic gaming experience that they expect. Microsoft works with a large group of legitimate business partners to sell and service genuine Microsoft Xbox products. Microsoft does not authorize or support any products or companies that modify or change the Xbox console in any way.
I think will be happen, to make new update to prevent play illegally copied

Elixir Mar 27, 2006 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Microsoft
The Xbox 360 platform was designed to be updated, and we are prepared to respond appropriately should any unauthorized activity be identified.

Great Microsoft, now everybody knows your intentions. Now that this is apparent, hackers will begin working on exploits which aren't detectable by security updates. It sounds like any mods for the console will stay underground for a period of time since public exposure == Microsoft kicking into action. Leaving the rest of the 360 owners who want explots, in the dark.

All these goons from xbox-scene, xbox-hq and various dashboard creator websites are getting their panties in a knot trying to crack the xbox 360 and open up a world of exploits, yet the homebrew scene of the original xbox has really died as of late. Why they can't concentrate on the original xbox still is beyond me. It already does everything, except possess games worth owning.

I don't see what the big rush is.

Zip Mar 28, 2006 01:34 AM

there is this bootdisk on ineternet that you can play backups with :(
scene accsess sure owns.

Elixir Mar 28, 2006 01:38 AM

Yeah, there's one on isohunt with quite low leechers for some reason.

The only problem here is that 360 games contain so much data, that it's going to be nearly impossible to download them. When xbox 360 torrents hit, there'll be so many leechers that you won't get a word in. I expect them to range from 8~15 gb a piece.

Tube Mar 28, 2006 10:57 AM

There have already been torrents released of Xbox 360 games since launch, because people realize that eventually they'll have a purpose. And you can't fit 15GB on a DVD, idiot.

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Originally Posted by Elixir
Great Microsoft, now everybody knows your intentions.

Lol, are you serious. What Microsoft said was common sense.

MS: "We can release updates to fix this shit."
Hackers: "UH OH DIDN'T THINK OF THAT ONE."

Jurassic Park Chocolate Raptor Mar 28, 2006 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Elixir
I expect them to range from 8~15 gb a piece.

What Tube said. 360 games are standard DVD9s, most of the time. They won't be any bigger or smaller than the average PS2 ISO.

(Yet another example of what I meant by thinking before you open your mouth.)

Zip Mar 30, 2006 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by BigHairyFeet

You don't need scene acess to get it, it's on scenetorrents and thepiratebay.

I never said you had to, but it sure owns being able to get stuff as soon as they are released =).
And you should be careful about saying names of private torrent sites like that, it can get you into trouble..

El Ray Fernando Mar 30, 2006 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Zip
And you should be careful about saying names of private torrent sites like that, it can get you into trouble..

Wait, you haven't checked out the 'requests' forums before:

http://www.gamingforce.com/forums/gamingforce-trading/

DBCE Slayer Apr 9, 2006 02:02 AM

The 360 was bound to get hacked. It was bound to happen sooner or later.

Zeal Apr 9, 2006 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Elixir
Yeah, there's one on isohunt with quite low leechers for some reason.

The only problem here is that 360 games contain so much data, that it's going to be nearly impossible to download them. When xbox 360 torrents hit, there'll be so many leechers that you won't get a word in. I expect them to range from 8~15 gb a piece.

You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, as usual.

1. The games are out.
2. Most are the same size of Xbox titles if not slightly larger.
3. People have already burned and used them.

Zeo Apr 9, 2006 02:41 AM

I'd just like to add that Elixir is misinformed and makes me LOL.

Tube Apr 9, 2006 03:28 AM

I like how I already called out that guy's bullshit post like ten years ago.

Elixir Apr 9, 2006 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeal
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, as usual.

1. The games are out.
2. Most are the same size of Xbox titles if not slightly larger.
3. People have already burned and used them.

And your point is?

Are you actually saying there isn't 8~15 gb torrents which are hogged by leechers?

Tube Apr 9, 2006 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Elixir
Are you actually saying there isn't 8~15 gb torrents which are hogged by leechers?

If he isn't, than I am.

Zeal Apr 9, 2006 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Elixir
And your point is?

Are you actually saying there isn't 8~15 gb torrents which are hogged by leechers?

See previous message for answer.

RYU May 15, 2006 07:26 AM

Commodre4Eva Releases TS-H943 DVD Firmware Hack for Xbox 360

Shortly after releasing a working Xbox1 DVD firmware, he now presents us with a firmware for the Xbox 360 Toshiba-Samsung TS-H943 DVD-ROM drive. This DVD firmware will allow users to play back-up copies and pirated games in Microsoft's next-gen console.

For the firmware to work, you would need raw/unmodified dumps, patching (security sector on ISO and DVD drive key on firmware), and DVD + DL (double layers) recordable discs. Included in this hack is a second firmware that will allow you to extract the security sector (what you patch on the raw ISO) from an original disc with the TS-H943 drive connected to a PC. However, if you're 360 has the Hitachi-LG drive, this firmware hack will not work. Said drive calls for a different firmware.


but is seem it confirmed by some members on Commodre4Eva forum.link on forum is removed if want file try this link.

http://isohunt.com/download.php?mode=bt&id=11299303

source:
http://www.xboxhacker.net/index.php?...33&topic=779.0

Soluzar May 27, 2006 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Zip
there is this bootdisk on ineternet that you can play backups with :(
scene accsess sure owns.

I'm under the very firm impression that the so-called boot disc is just a hoax. While I wouldn't claim to have scene access, or to be active, I am aware of the scene, and I follow it sufficiently to have heard plenty of sceners calling BS on the boot disc.

CelticWhisper May 27, 2006 02:46 PM

With regard to MSFT patching this via a Live update, isn't that a simple matter of not connecting your Xbox to the internet at all? If there's no cable plugged in, there's no way for those patches to be downloaded. Or just figure out what port Live uses and block it at your firewall.

I never owned an Xbox, so I didn't get in on the modding/hacking fun the first time around, but once 360 can run unsigned code, count me in.

Tube May 27, 2006 03:10 PM

The only way any type of modding on an Xbox 360 would be plausible is if you had a second 360 that you kept unmodded. Because once the mod scene really gets started for the 360, it will become basically impossible to use it on XBL, just like with the Xbox. And a 360 without Xbox Live is useless.

Kaleb.G May 27, 2006 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RYU
you can change between 2 modding on xbox360

You're going to have to use better English and elaborate further, because we can't understand what you're talking about.

DVDRick May 27, 2006 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Tube
The only way any type of modding on an Xbox 360 would be plausible is if you had a second 360 that you kept unmodded. Because once the mod scene really gets started for the 360, it will become basically impossible to use it on XBL, just like with the Xbox. And a 360 without Xbox Live is useless.

Thats not true.
The xbox1 mod that uses the same technique as the xbox360 mod (flashing the drive), is not detected by xbox live and the mod is pretty old now.

Sexninja May 27, 2006 07:09 PM

I want region eliminator.
Wonder why no one has come with region breaker software,hack or modification yet.

I want to play Oblivion but its not region free.
I was hoping to buy Jap version coz its way cheaper than UC one.

value tart May 27, 2006 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Sexninja
I want region eliminator.
Wonder why no one has come with region breaker software,hack or modification yet.

I want to play Oblivion but its not region free.
I was hoping to buy Jap version coz its way cheaper than UC one.

It appears you're under the false impression that region-breaking software is developed with help from the original manufacturer.

RYU May 28, 2006 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaleb.G
You're going to have to use better English and elaborate further, because we can't understand what you're talking about.

sorry for bad english,anyway I mean there way to make dualboot homebrew firmware mod on Xbox360.

http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/...uAbeqimDJg.php

Rock May 28, 2006 02:28 PM

How can a firmware update target the "hacked" flash memory if you can just switch it off so Live only "sees" the original flash? At least that's what makes this mod so special, isn't it?

Tube May 28, 2006 09:52 PM

Also, my idea of a modded Xbox isn't just flashed firmware so I can run "backups". The majority of the fun of modding is in running unsigned code for applications/emulators/whatever, and I don't mean via a fucking optical drive.

DVDRick May 31, 2006 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Tube
Also, my idea of a modded Xbox isn't just flashed firmware so I can run "backups". The majority of the fun of modding is in running unsigned code for applications/emulators/whatever, and I don't mean via a fucking optical drive.

thats where ps3 + linux will triumph this time ;)

Yuna Aug 2, 2006 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Devo
As Tube pointed out it still makes more sense to have two 360s one with a modchip and one clean for live play.

This is indeed a choice to make. It is plain simple, you just have to think if you would copy more than 8 games (which together make the price of an Xbox360), if you would like to have more than 8 games (especially if only to play offline) it is already worth it.

And you would buy original games of the ones that are great at live, just like Ghost Recon, Battlefield,Halo (by far the best - my opinion).

But honetly, if I had money to buy two Xbox360 I would instead buy 1 Xbox360 and 1 PS3 (or a WII).

Ayos Nov 1, 2006 02:43 PM

Okay, this thread is two months old, but I had to revive it to say a couple things...
First of all, check out team xecuter's website (www.team-xecuter.com) for the latest and greatest updates on the 360 modding process. Clearly, it's become easy and streamlined, and they're getting around all sorts of official firmware updates because of their plug-and-play mod capability. Superfantastic.
Secondly, I laugh at everyone who complains about not being able to use Xbox Live, since I almost never enjoyed being on Live anyway, and being a part of the mod community, can play on X-link Kai for FREE.
Which means I laugh even harder at those idiots over at M$ because all they're doing is taking money away from themselves. Why not let modded Xbox users play on Live? Employ something like punkbuster so people can't play when they've modified the game so that they have an unfair advantage. You totally lost your few dollars a month from me, Mircostuft. I hope it hurts your billionaire industry.

EDIT: Also, come on, seriously... I'm not going to say I've never pirated anything, but more recently I modded my PS2 for the express purpose of playing backups of games I legally own, because the discs are becoming more and more damaged. A 360, with games at the prices they're at, is likely to be modded for much the same reason.

Jurassic Park Chocolate Raptor Nov 1, 2006 03:00 PM

People would have taken you seriously up until you said "M$". Now you're a joke.

But, considering that Live has more users, and therefore more competition than the free variants, it's pretty obvious that by that alone, it's the superior service. If you're using something else, and you're not on Live, you won't be able to download whatever game patches, or extra game content arrives until someone gets it to you a different way.

Live is, and will remain to be for a long time, the best reason to own an Xbox. If you didn't enjoy it, I guess that's fine. But if you think some other, free alternative with a fraction of the userbase and support is just as good, I've got to laugh at you.

Lastly, this bit about playing backups always gets me. What the FUCK do you people do? Shit on your discs? Go over them with pennies? Let the dog eat them? How hard is it to take care of what your purchase? Put the damn things back in the case and unless you proceed to step on it, it'll be fine.

YO PITTSBURGH MIKE HERE Nov 1, 2006 03:51 PM

My NHL 2k6 got super scratched and rendered unplayable just from me hitting the TV stand with my foot and shaking the Circle. It's honestly not that hard to ruin games. We need cartridges back.

Jurassic Park Chocolate Raptor Nov 1, 2006 03:52 PM

Well, true enough, the Xbox does eat through games if it's moved around while the game is playing. I"ll give you that. But how often does that happen? How often do you honestly ruin your discs? That's my point.

Ayos Nov 1, 2006 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DELTASABER
People would have taken you seriously up until you said "M$". Now you're a joke.

Dollar-sign is offensive to Canadians? :( uh-oh.
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But, considering that Live has more users, and therefore more competition than the free variants, it's pretty obvious that by that alone, it's the superior service. If you're using something else, and you're not on Live, you won't be able to download whatever game patches, or extra game content arrives until someone gets it to you a different way.
More users, yes. More does not always equal better. I've found far fewer asshats on Kai than I have on Live. I've also gotten patches, content, etc just as quickly, if not MORE quickly, through my er... "questionable sources" as compared to Live. Happens to be the same way I got the US release of Final Fantasy XII two and a half weeks before it came out. In other words, I find just as diverse a player base - excluding the asshats - with many many different opponents, and I get even more content, more soonererer.
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Live is, and will remain to be for a long time, the best reason to own an Xbox. If you didn't enjoy it, I guess that's fine. But if you think some other, free alternative with a fraction of the userbase and support is just as good, I've got to laugh at you.
Actually, I find the best reason to own an Xbox is LAN games with your 1-to-31 best buds. Other than that, I like being able to use it as a console-turned-media-center, with all my music, movies, and games right there on the hard drive. I used to think Live was the best reason. Then I got sick of Live, and found a way that I liked better. Same good experience (with extras) and none of the crap. Yum.
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Lastly, this bit about playing backups always gets me. What the FUCK do you people do? Shit on your discs? Go over them with pennies? Let the dog eat them? How hard is it to take care of what your purchase? Put the damn things back in the case and unless you proceed to step on it, it'll be fine.
It's never been to misuse or carelessness on my part. No, it's always been the dumbasses who were either my friends or related to me that thought it would be superfantastic to shit pennies on the discs and let the dog eat it, or whatever you said (too lazy to read again) and then put it in their console and ruin both my game and their system.
"Pay for me my game"
"NO IT RUIN MY XCUBE"
"Ya bcuz u ruin my game"
"IT RUIN MY GAMEBOXSTATION"
"F U nub."
"U pay for me my halobox"
"GTFO"

I need a safe to put my games in, basically.

Jurassic Park Chocolate Raptor Nov 2, 2006 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Ayos
Dollar-sign is offensive to Canadians? :( uh-oh.

I should rephrase. Using M$ around here is greatly frowned upon and people have a tendancy to not take the post seriously as soon as they read that. It does nothing but make your post look juvinile and stupid.

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More users, yes. More does not always equal better. I've found far fewer asshats on Kai than I have on Live. I've also gotten patches, content, etc just as quickly, if not MORE quickly, through my er... "questionable sources" as compared to Live. Happens to be the same way I got the US release of Final Fantasy XII two and a half weeks before it came out. In other words, I find just as diverse a player base - excluding the asshats - with many many different opponents, and I get even more content, more soonererer.
Leaks of final games on bittorrent isn't exactly the same as, say, the latest patch for Splinter Cell or something, which is released straight onto Live. Slightly different there. The Live alternatives will have most of the content soon enough, which is true. And some other leaked stuff will hit sooner, also true. I guess for the most part that evens out.

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Actually, I find the best reason to own an Xbox is LAN games with your 1-to-31 best buds. Other than that, I like being able to use it as a console-turned-media-center, with all my music, movies, and games right there on the hard drive. I used to think Live was the best reason. Then I got sick of Live, and found a way that I liked better. Same good experience (with extras) and none of the crap. Yum.
It's not always easy to get together large groups of people, especialyl if youre friends all have steady jobs/go to school/whatnot, so I dunno about how often you can pull that off. Fun, sure, but huge LANs are not an often enough occurance in my group to make it worth the price of admission here. I also find that other devices, like a cheap PC, can operate as a much better media center than an Xbox can. Whereas I can have any small computer be a media center, not everything can access Live, which is what the Xbox was designed for really, and why I bought it in the first place.

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It's never been to misuse or carelessness on my part. No, it's always been the dumbasses who were either my friends or related to me that thought it would be superfantastic to shit pennies on the discs and let the dog eat it, or whatever you said (too lazy to read again) and then put it in their console and ruin both my game and their system.
"Pay for me my game"
"NO IT RUIN MY XCUBE"
"Ya bcuz u ruin my game"
"IT RUIN MY GAMEBOXSTATION"
"F U nub."
"U pay for me my halobox"
"GTFO"

I need a safe to put my games in, basically.
You need to severly injure your friends on a more regular basis.

FatsDomino Nov 2, 2006 09:19 AM

Yeah, I will reinforce what Skills said about the whole M$ thing. If I see you using that abbreviation I will ban you from the thread or depending on the level of abuse have you removed from Microsoft's Window entirely.

I'm not kidding.

A reminder to regulars here that if you see such infractions feel free to notify me, Shin, Infernal, or any mod you feel comfortable talking with.

Ayos Nov 3, 2006 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DELTASABER
I should rephrase. Using M$ around here is greatly frowned upon and people have a tendancy to not take the post seriously as soon as they read that. It does nothing but make your post look juvinile and stupid.

Incredible... most other places everyone found it hilarious. I suppose that explains the lack of usage here. I will keep that in mind.
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Leaks of final games on bittorrent isn't exactly the same as, say, the latest patch for Splinter Cell or something, which is released straight onto Live. Slightly different there. The Live alternatives will have most of the content soon enough, which is true. And some other leaked stuff will hit sooner, also true. I guess for the most part that evens out.
Yeah, basically it all evens out. Over half the stuff on Live is patches for the multiplayer aspect anyway, and a lot of those patched issues have to do with Live itself, amusingly. But I will agree there is some stuff I have to wait a bit longer to get... but I'm fine with that. :)
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It's not always easy to get together large groups of people, especialyl if youre friends all have steady jobs/go to school/whatnot, so I dunno about how often you can pull that off. Fun, sure, but huge LANs are not an often enough occurance in my group to make it worth the price of admission here. I also find that other devices, like a cheap PC, can operate as a much better media center than an Xbox can. Whereas I can have any small computer be a media center, not everything can access Live, which is what the Xbox was designed for really, and why I bought it in the first place.
It's been surprisingly easy for me to get groups together, but I know that's not always the case so it's not really a strong arguing point. It's just the best reason to me to own an Xbox. As for the media center stuff, it's true that by itself, an Xbox isn't exactly the best media center - not even the 360, though it was designed to incorporate seamlessly with say, a media center PC. But my Xbox as it is currently works very well as a media center, especially since I updated it with Xbox Media Center as an "operating system." Works even better than my Media Center PC actually :(
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You need to severly injure your friends on a more regular basis.
Agreed. Though mostly my relatives are to blame. Thankfully I don't live with them anymore.


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