Capcom Japan can't take it anymore
 

Behold, a website that doesn't tell us anything at all! :O!

http://www.capcom.co.jp/2d_kakutou/

2D Kakutou means 2D fighter, and the site basically says "the first original 2D Capcom fighter in 3 years is coming soon". Which got me pretty hot indeed! ;o It most likely can't be Street Fighter which is Capcom USA property. The main website specifies that it's an arcade title, but hopefully we'll see a home version as well.

But who's developing this? Because most of the 2D guys are gone by now. Bengus and akiman both left/got fired/disappeared, and they were the best of the best--akiman does freelance work though so they might be able to recruit him. From what I've heard though the relationship between Capcom and akiman isn't too awesome (the developers of the Final Fight remake on XBLA wanted to use him, but Capcom said "no").

Anyway, this is super exciting news! Speculate away!

Little to nothing of substance to speculate with. Flames must be a central point though, I mean... there was fire in the promo, right?

wow... those fire effects were amazing! Seriously though I haven't seen a trailer this bad since... I can't even remember when -_-

It'll most likely be HD and it COULD be Street Fighter 4, as I speculated earlier. However, since they're announcing it as a CAPCOM "original" 2D VS. fighter, it could also mean that it's a whole new series. We'll see "soon", if they feel like keeping their promise.

Capcom did say last E3 that they were working on a new 2D fighter. Since then everything else has been 100% speculation. At least now we knoe that one does exist, too bad it took a year just to get an announcement. At this rate we'll all have PS4s and Xbox 1080s before the game comes out.

That was before this was announced, and like I said it's unlikely that it's a Street Fighter title, and it obviously isn't the HD game. I really hope they'll develop a whole new fighting game but I'm not too hopeful on that one (since it seems they count Capcom Fighting Evolution as their last "original 2D fighter", and there isn't too much original about that).

Hopeful or not it doesn't matter because Capcom said that this IS a new 2D fighter IP.

Therefore it also can't be a new SF game unfortunately.

My hope: They take Marvel vs Capcom 2, make due without the Marvel license (since they don't have it anymore, so they'd have to drop the Marvel cast), beef up the Capcom side with 15-20 new characters and put the game back in the glorious resolution of the CPS2 with online play. That would make me a happy little gamer for the next couple years or so.

But I hope this is BIG, whatever it is. 2D fighting needs a good kick in the nuts to get it going again.

I wish there was a Rival Schools/ Project Justice update, Just one more.

For real, Rival Schools was given a shitty chance in North America. Heck they just started a comic book last year of RS, so why wouldn't they do something with the games? Makes little sense.

Till this comes out I'm content with my imported versions of Guilty Gear XX Accent Core -JAP and King of Fighters XI - PAL ( <- So Good! ), both which also release in NA this year.

Best news I've heard all day. Don't let me down, Capcom. And by "original" fighter I hope they mean one that's not based off an anime.

Sounds like great news. Capcom also made a anime-based 3d fighter called Kenichi awhile back (not too old but fun). So we're getting awesome fighting games from them. Glad to know they still have the heart to make 2d games =].

Well, opinions on what constitutes the Japanese definition of "original" varies greatly. Like I said I'm pretty sure their reference point for the "3 years ago" statement is Capcom Fighting Jam, and I don't know if you remember that roster, but it had one original (as in never-seen-before) character. So whether this "original" is a new franchise, which I admit it implies, remains to be seen.

I hope its something totally new or an update to Rival Schools/Project Justice. Chance of that happening isn't great, considering the others are 3D, but you know, wishful thinking. Also, FLAMES. I recall the title of Project Justice to have something about fire or something, but I dunno.

Moero! Justice Gauken was the original name for Project Justice and "moero" means "burn!" (I THINK...not sure the literal translation, but it's definitely alluding to that).

Project Justice never got a chance. It came out as a $20 game on the already-dead Dreamcast. From what I hear, it's nothing noteworthy as a competitive game...Basically Roberto > Everyone, but I think it's a blast in casual play (mind you, I don't know any actual series PJ players). A next gen update (with online play) would be quite awesome.

Developer troubles! Noo! 2D version of the cancelled Fighting All-Stars please. TEE HEE. Go ahead and make a bunch of new 'original' characters or whatever (they'll all be Ryu clones anyway, or school girls... or Ryu AS a school girl), just let me pile drive them to victory as Mike Haggar in Metro City.

Will I get things thrown at me if I start cheering for another Darkstalkers game?

Only if you will accept a Darkstalkers game that wasn't character-designed by akiman. :o

But a real Darkstalkers sequel with proper HD art? That would be super hot.

Well it's an original game so it's not going to be Darkstalkers.

The only reason why Rival Schools is squeeking by is because it was always in 3D and never 2D before and while this new game is supposed to be original, it's getting by on Surasshu's theory on the Japanese' definition of "original".

Maybe SF4 there rumors on EGM.

http://gamers-creed.com/?p=195

It looks like Midway will never learned their lesson when they flopped with MK:Armageddon . Maybe they might redeem themselves. Give the fighter's their own signature fatalities

I'm pretty sure EGM's mention on KOF is XII and Maximum Impact 3 (360 and ps3). We're all still in the dark whether or not KOFXII will be on ps2 or moved onto the next generation console. They did say that want to make KOFXII the ultimate 2d fighter. With Capcom showing SSF2THDRemix I really don't know and now the rumored SF4? This is turning to something great. It's another year of great fighting titles :).

I never said it was THE HD game(not SF2HD), I just speculated that the game will be HD based(new HD beat 'em up). See the difference? If not, re-read until you do.

This is some awesome news! I hope it really is a brand new property. I'm tired of seeing the same franchises over and over. We need new blood. HD would be nice, but I don't know if the Japanese arcade market would pay for a 2D HD fighting game cabinet. The most popular 2D fighters now (Melty Blood, Arcana Heart, Guilty Gear) aren't HD.

If not though, I hope it's a Gyakuten Saiban fighting game. I call Mayoi/Maya!

Well if they were intending to have a console release they would be smart to program it to be HD from the start instead of having to rehash it later. Doesn't meant that the cabinets HAVE to be HD. Also considering the ridiculous price of the 5 LCD panel Arcade cabnet setup for Tekken 6, I don't think that $$ will be a problem for Japan.

But yeah, lots of possibilities is what makes this news so great.

According to Insert Credit (here's the article), am-net thinks this new fighter will be based off of Capcom's Sengoku Basara series (Devil Kings!? WTF?), which is based on the Warring States period of Japanese history. So, what this rumor really means is that Capcom's new fighter is far from original; it's based on historical figures. The rumor also says that it's co-developed with Arc System Works (Guilty Gear, Hokuto no Ken, Battle Fantasia).

If it's co done with Arc then it could be a really awesome game as long as their creativity doesn't collide with one another. As for the Devil Kings thing, it totally sounds like a random thing spewed from the rumour mill.

Ah, fair enough. The way you phrased it, it could go both ways. At least if "HD" could mean "SSF2THD", which as you can see is a pain in the ass--most of my friends and I call it HD. I sure hope it's HD seeing as this isn't 3 years ago! But you're right, it's not really guaranteed to be. But if it's not, that'd be a really ridiculous choice.

Here's something mildly interesting: If it were true, I'd know all about it. Our office is responsible for the SF IP.

I guess it's safe to say it isn't Street Fighter, with the lack of Capcom USA and this. I'm glad! Warzard 2 plz lol

Arc Systems is involved? That reminds me, what happened to the "Sammy vs. Capcom" project? Sol vs Dante would be pretty cool to watch.

Sammy Studios was purchased and made High Moon Studios and then purchased by Vivendi Universal. So I think that all thoes transitions probably blew the hell out of any colabrative possibilities for the time being.

Yeah, if you don't follow the link I attached. :p

Ayways, bygones. ^^

Even if it's not SF4, which, as you mentioned, it most likely is not, there's always hope ;). Besides, it's been a while since they released SF3. Even if it isn't SF4 this time, it's bound to be announced later on.

I've aquired new hope for 2D games now with the introduction of high definition graphics(clear enough for ya? ;)). I'm hoping to see a lot of new HD 2D games being announced by various other companies, not just CAPCOM.

Well I've been surprised with this PS2 generation of all the 2D games that have actually brought these 3D behemouths to their knees. These games are (mostly) beautiful, which simply puzzles/excites me as to what companies like Capcom, Sammy, SNK, NIS and Atlus will be able to do this PS3/360 generation.

Games like;

Odin Sphere
Grim Grimoire
KoF XI (PAL not JAP)
[and more...]

Probably the things that I want 2D fighters to do this most this gen are...

1) Guilty Gear's next installment to have animation as fluid as SF3
2) For any or all games to have sprites as high res or higher then GG's
3) For an original impressive fighting series. (both a 2D one and a 3D one)

I'd pay to see a new JoJo fighter.

I really hope Sammy stays out of this one. Guilty Gear has more or less become the inspiration for doujin fighters, and while long combos and air dashing were fun for a while it's getting old.

In terms of what? Sales? Content? Fanboyitis?

Until I see more information on this game, I really don't care about it. Hopefully it'll turn out good, whatever it is.

I noticed that a lot of doujin games were similar (air dashing, double-jumping as a standard). I thought the depth and comparative balance of Guilty Gear has made Capcom's later fighters look pretty limited. Roman Cancels were the best fighting game mechanic I've seen in recent years...They take ages to learn and get used to, but they open the door for so much fun stuff to pull off. Sammy's issue is they may have used all their best chickens in Reload (or Slash or whatever), so it'll be interesting to see if they can pull something new out of their hats. I'll gladly take GGXX with a new set of characters to learn, new music, and online play that doesn't suck. I have some faith in Capcom's new fighter, but I don't have a large number of choices either...

http://img396.imageshack.us/my.php?i...3939189kv3.jpg

Rumors about it being the Sengoku Basara fighter are true. I'VE NEVER BEEN SO PUMPED ABOUT NOT BUYING A GAME, THOUGH!

Outta here.

Interesting. I never played the Sengoku Basara series, but this should be some fun regardless. I don't see Arc System Works' name anywhere on that scan, so maybe they aren't involved after all?

Well that certainly killed the hype.

Wow that game looks very Guilty Gearish.


And I know absolutely nothing about the series they're basing this off of so my excitement level has not changed.

I'm just praying Scorpio doesn't go around screaming "MY LORD!!! MY LOOOORRDDDD!!!"" every fucking time you pick or fight him. He was one of the better characters from Devil Kings, but really, probably the most annoying.

I also have no idea what Sengoku Basara is, but I have to say that I'm not hugely excited by the screenshots on that scan. I mean, I'm still excited to get a 2D fighter, and one that hopefully adheres to Capcom's extremely good balance and flow, but these character designs don't really wow me and the screenshots look too much like an adjusted Guilty Gear.

Hopefully something comes along to change my mind though!

@guyinrubbersuit
The quote of yours of what I said earlier was in refference to frames-per-second. However Odin Sphere did five game retailers a run for their money to keep it in stock when it came out. ;)

But yeah, I can officially say that this is the most disapointing news I've heard in a while.

I wouldn't say that's bringing 3D behemoths to their knees but it is a good thing to be sold out. Sure most games can't say the same, but they generally have enough stock to go around.



So what is Sengoku Basara? I take it it's never been officially translated for the States?

Actually, it was. It was known here as "Devil Kings". A "man vs. army" type of game, like Dynasty Warriors. I never liked those type of games, but Devil Kings was pretty addictive. The characters were charismatic and the game had some hilarious moments.

I was kinda hoping to see SF4, but this doesn't look that bad either. As someone already said, it looks totally GuiltyGearish...

So this is going to be a fighting game based on a non-fighting game series? One that's kind of obscure to begin with? I really wonder about Capcom sometimes.

Capcom USA is pretty consistant with good games. Then of course there was Clover who never had a bad game. But yeah, Capcom Japan is hard to predict at times.

Quoting myself.

Everyone in Japan, even if they haven't played the Sengoku Basara series, knows at least a little something about the Sengoku period. Non-Japanese gamers like us may know nothing about it, but it's not like this game is intended to be played outside Japan anyway.

It looks more Arc than Capcom, so I'm skepical already.

The official site is now up: http://www.capcom.co.jp/basara-x/

Music isn't terrible but it sounds like something from Naruto, traditional instruments aside. Theme song by T.M. Revolution (EDIT: This is the same song used for the original Sengoku Basara).

EDIT: Also interesting (to me, anyway) is that this games runs on Namco's System 246 hardware, which is basically a Playstation 2.

Yeah, Sengoku Basara was translated (poorly) into English and released as Devil Kings. They entirely removed the story and meaning of the first game, and just made it a mindless hack n slash Dynasty Warriors clone.

I own Sengoku Basara 2. I haven't played much of it, but it's basically the same thing as Dynasty Warriors. Go through a level killing thousands (literally thousands) of guys, make your way to a boss, kill the boss, gain experience and move on.

It has the whole RPG shit of "levelling up plus items plus techniques plus abilities" which makes for replay value. I guess a fighter is simply based off the previous two games.

(There's also a Sengoku Basara monthly comic.)

Pretty badass website they got there. The title design resembles Megaman ZX which isn't a bad thing . I only hope we get more characters in that roster because 10 is not enough =/. Overall it aint too bad. I still need to see some videos and all that stuff. I haven't played a recent 2d fighter since games like MBA Cadenza,Hokuto no Ken , Arcana Hearts and GG:AC is getting boring..etc.