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Jujubee May 28, 2007 02:37 AM

Kana Little Sister.
 
Hi, I don't post here very often or make many threads, at all. But I just wanted to spread the word about this very inspiring game I recently played. The Quiet Place seemed like the best spot to post it, since most people here are going through some rough times in some way or another. It's called Kana Little Sister, and its a bishoujo game about Life, Love and Death. Yes it involves some explicit sex scenes like most games of its type, and not recommended for anyone under 18. But in all honesty, this is much more than just your typical hentai text based RPG, in fact the sex scenes only take up about 10% of the game. So why recommend it you may ask? Well, in my opinion it has one of the best stories I've read in any game, period. Because it's an adult game it doesn't moderate itself like some type of fairytale, you'd think someone wrote it based off of real life experiences. But to get to the point on whats the basis behind the game, here are a few details, links with more information and a direct download to the game.

You play as a Taka Todo, a young man with a sister [Kana] suffering from a terminal illness [for anyone against incest, she's adopted]. The game starts out with you visiting her in the hospital which she basically lives at, and flashes back to your early childhood when your relationship started. At first, Taka hated Kana for stealing attention from his parents, but after a certain experiance, Taka realizes she's his only sister he'll ever have and must protect her. The game progresses from early childhood, early teens, on to adult hood. As she gets older, Kana's condition gets worse and you're her only one true friend in the world, so she develops very deep feelings for you. Your parents treat her like a burden and barely visit her, they're workaholics. The two of you grow extremely close but later on in the game you find out some very shocking news. I'm not going to spoil it for you but your sister will need your help now more than anything.

I hope my description was intriguing enough, if not you don't have to take my word for it. Some of you probably already know about this game anyway.

Article Preview: http://forevergeek.com/articles/kana_little_sister.php
YouTube Review: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sy7ZCHRmJ00
Wikpedia Info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kana_Im%C5%8Dto#Endings
Then once you finish the game, heres the unofficial sequel: http://home.alphalink.com.au/~mattlim/kana/

Game Direct Download: http://www.fulldls.com/downloading_games_13967

I hope you guys enjoy it as much as I did.

Paco May 28, 2007 04:04 AM

I know it seems like it COULD go in TQP, but gaming threads should be kept in the gaming forums.

Dhsu May 28, 2007 12:42 PM

She's actually your long-list little brother, isn't she?

Elixir May 28, 2007 12:58 PM

Wait, you're recommending people in The Quiet Place play a japanese PC dating simulator?

Little Shithead May 28, 2007 01:25 PM

Oh, her? Yeah, I know her. It's going to take a while. It happened years ago

Did you know there are three kinds of little sisters? Those that seek love, those that live for pride, and those that can read emotion.

Those are the three.

And her?

She was a girl they called "Kana: Little Sister."

This man was her brother.

He is the man I seek.

It was a cold and snowy day.

The Incestuous Relationship is shrouded in mystery. Everyone is a rapist, and a loli. And no one knows who is a victim, and who is the aggressor.

And what is love?

Jujubee May 28, 2007 01:30 PM

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Wait, you're recommending people in The Quiet Place play a japanese PC dating simulator?
No lol. I was recommending it to people in TQP because of the themes in the game, Life, Love and Death. KLS is very dramatic, nothing close to a happy-go-lucky storyline. It's not really a dating sim, more of a visual novel. But it has six different endings, depending on the choices you make throughout the game. Anyone looking for a simple hentai dating sim with hardcore sex scenes might be disappointed. Personally I loved it, and just wanted to let other people know about it.

Elixir May 28, 2007 01:42 PM

There are literally thousands of visual novels in japan, from PC to PS2, from Tokimeki Memorial to True Love Story 3, the only difference about this one is that it's translated. I'm sure there's other "visual novels" in japan that are interesting too, just not translated into english.

Unless wiki is wrong, it's a japanese dating simulator.

map car man words telling me to do things May 28, 2007 01:50 PM

Personally I loved Kana as well, but I certainly wouldn't recommend it to people who crowd TQP.

Xellos May 28, 2007 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Merv Burger (Post 440910)
Oh, her? Yeah, I know her. It's going to take a while. It happened years ago

Did you know there are three kinds of little sisters? Those that seek love, those that live for pride, and those that can read emotion.

Those are the three.

And her?

She was a girl they called "Kana: Little Sister."

This man was her brother.

He is the man I seek.

It was a cold and snowy day.

The Incestuous Relationship is shrouded in mystery. Everyone is a rapist, and a loli. And no one knows who is a victim, and who is the aggressor.

And what is love?

Good stuff. Unfortunately, I doubt many will notice what you did there. =/

Jujubee May 28, 2007 02:44 PM

I sure don't, care to elaborate?

Little Shithead May 28, 2007 02:55 PM

Oh, it's just some Ace Kana Zero: The Little Sister War.

in b4 nanoha a's combat zero

slayer25k May 28, 2007 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Merv Burger (Post 440910)
Oh, her? Yeah, I know her. It's going to take a while. It happened years ago

That .. was ... awesome .. ;__; I love you! ='D



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Personally I loved Kana as well, but I certainly wouldn't recommend it to people who crowd TQP.
seconded - !

The first time I played Kana... I reached one of the 'Intellectual Endings'
( Ending 4, 'Snow' )

The game itself was quite 'entertaining' and I liked that ending ;)
It made me think "ha.. I guess, I did everything right!"

Well...
Some people said, Kana would be sad...or...something like that..
In my case.. Kana kept me cool..more like cold inside... too bad, eh?

Planetarian.. on the other hand... was so... so sad..
I cried throughout the whole game.. except for the so-called 'sad-ending'...

The Plane Is A Tiger May 28, 2007 03:26 PM

Like Lix said, is there anything that sets this apart from the other hundreds of dating sims out there? It all sounds fairly generic to me.

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Originally Posted by Guest
You play as a Taka Todo, a young man with a sister [Kana] suffering from a terminal illness [for anyone against incest, she's adopted].

Greatest disclaimer ever.

map car man words telling me to do things May 28, 2007 03:31 PM

For one thing it's not a dating sim. But then what you're asking is the same as "is there anything that sets this RPG apart from the hundred other RPGs out there" and pretty much there never is.

It was a touching story with an unusual atmosphere and very different focus from most h-games. But if you're saying you've played so many of them you know them inside out, there probably isn't anything new about it.

RacinReaver May 28, 2007 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Guest (Post 440912)
But it has six different endings, depending on the choices you make throughout the game.

1) Consensual sex (with a minor that's "adopted" aka statutory rape).
2) Gay rape (turns out IT'S A TRAP).
3) Anal rape.
4) Group rape.
5) Scat rape
6) She bites your dick off and kills you (guro).

Jujubee May 28, 2007 06:36 PM

Too bad you wont find any of that in this game, except #1 if you want to put it that way.

Kesubei May 28, 2007 07:47 PM

Ah, I liked this one. The premise is very cliché but the characters are likable. There was an Xbox port in development with a new character design for Kana, but it was predictably cancelled. Too bad, because the story is more enjoyable without the sex scenes.

Infernal Monkey May 29, 2007 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Elixir (Post 440920)
True Love Story 3

Wait wait what, does this have anything to do with the completely retarded/awesome True Love '95?

http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/4...isafullqh6.jpg
- have some sex
- save her life
- have some sex
- have some sex
- work on appearance
- have some sex
- go home only to run into one of the other girls and have some sex

The Plane Is A Tiger May 29, 2007 02:26 AM

Obviously Hakeem must work on his appearance!

Elixir May 29, 2007 03:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Infernal Monkey (Post 441156)
Wait wait what, does this have anything to do with the completely retarded/awesome True Love '95?

Nope, it's a series for the PS and PS2. I played through part of True Love Story 3 even though I couldn't understand anything, before giving up. Really beautiful animation in this game. I wish they'd translate PS2 games like these but.. it just doesn't happen.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_Love_Story

map car man words telling me to do things May 29, 2007 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Kesubei (Post 441056)
Ah, I liked this one. The premise is very cliché but the characters are likable. There was an Xbox port in development with a new character design for Kana, but it was predictably cancelled. Too bad, because the story is more enjoyable without the sex scenes.

I myself felt the sex scenes fit well. They were tastefully made and there was only like two of them, so it wasn't quite like most h-games "removing their sex scenes".

As for the Xbox version, as you said, it was cancelled, but they did release a remake for the PC called "Kana.. Okaeri!" with new graphics and voice acting.

Monkey King May 30, 2007 03:24 AM

Having sex scenes at all seems counter-productive to what they're trying to do with the game, though. They'd be able to reach a much wider audience if they didn't insist on anything explicit, and indeed the sex scenes almost sound gratuitous if that's not the focus of the story. So why bother at all? It just winds up relegating the thing to the same unsavory bin as any other hentai game.

Elixir May 30, 2007 03:44 AM

Since this thread is based on a translated japanese dating sim, I guess this is the best place to ask:

Does anyone (not here, but ANYWHERE) translate japanese visual novels or dating simulators? The ones by Kid look interesting, and there's a fair few which get quite a high score ranking on this famitsu-like website which reviews them critically, so I was just wondering.

It'd be great if there were some patches for PS2 games like this, or PC ones. I know there's a few PC ones but some of the PS2 games just won't see it into PCs.

map car man words telling me to do things May 30, 2007 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Monkey King (Post 441699)
Having sex scenes at all seems counter-productive to what they're trying to do with the game, though. They'd be able to reach a much wider audience if they didn't insist on anything explicit, and indeed the sex scenes almost sound gratuitous if that's not the focus of the story. So why bother at all? It just winds up relegating the thing to the same unsavory bin as any other hentai game.

Well the characters fall in love and have sex (or make love, whichever way you want to put it). It's not a story meant for kids, and not just because it has sex scenes. By your logic, all movies should aim for the PG-13 rating or lower because someone dying, swearing or bleeding is gratuitous.

They did insist on explicit (if you really need to put it that way), it's an adult story probably because of those sex scenes, but then that's what differentiates it.

You have a lot of people saying the really good h-games have such good stories the sex scenes can be removed from the console versions as they are so out of place. I'm just saying the sex scene(s) weren't out of place or tacked on at all here, it was where the characters' relationships came to a point. It sounds to me like Soldier's reasoning for editing out the sex scenes from the Evangelion doujin for RE-Take (though he did do it for his little sister), while I felt they were a bigger part of the whole (and the strange atmosphere).

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Originally Posted by Elixir (Post 441707)
Since this thread is based on a translated japanese dating sim, I guess this is the best place to ask:

Does anyone (not here, but ANYWHERE) translate japanese visual novels or dating simulators? The ones by Kid look interesting, and there's a fair few which get quite a high score ranking on this famitsu-like website which reviews them critically, so I was just wondering.

It'd be great if there were some patches for PS2 games like this, or PC ones. I know there's a few PC ones but some of the PS2 games just won't see it into PCs.

I doubt they're mass-translating them in the way you're hoping, but they've done a few. Mirror Moon translated Tsukihime and Melty Blood, and is currently working on Kagetsu Tohya if I understood correctly. From other Type-Moon works, they recently finished translating Fate/Stay Night (or at least some of the arcs).

NNL translated Wind -a breath of heart- (which was pretty generic) and I recall a few groups working on a number of titles, so there are translators for them, but they're usually stuck in forever WIP or forgotten.

Kesubei May 30, 2007 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Qwarky (Post 441718)
I doubt they're mass-translating them in the way you're hoping, but they've done a few. Mirror Moon translated Tsukihime and Melty Blood, and is currently working on Kagetsu Tohya if I understood correctly. From other Type-Moon works, they recently finished translating Fate/Stay Night (or at least some of the arcs).

NNL translated Wind -a breath of heart- (which was pretty generic) and I recall a few groups working on a number of titles, so there are translators for them, but they're usually stuck in forever WIP or forgotten.

There's also Hirameki, a company that translates visual noves and struggles to sell them. They brought KiD's Ever 17 over here. Visual News has a bunch demos and doujin visual novels translated by their community, if you didn't already know.

Jujubee May 30, 2007 12:01 PM

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It sounds to me like Soldier's reasoning for editing out the sex scenes from the Evangelion doujin for RE-Take (though he did do it for his little sister), while I felt they were a bigger part of the whole (and the strange atmosphere).
I must fail at the internet, since I don't hear about these things until years after they came out [whats next, a sequel to Xenosaga 3? :wish:]. Evangelion was an awesome anime, one of my favorites. As a fan I can't believe I've never heard about this RE-Take. The download just finished so I'm going to start reading it right now. :)

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There's also Hirameki, a company that translates visual noves and struggles to sell them. They brought KiD's Ever 17 over here. Visual News has a bunch demos and doujin visual novels translated by their community, if you didn't already know.
Thanks for the info, I'm going to look up some of their works later. It'll be nice to play another game like KLS.

K_ Takahashi May 30, 2007 12:25 PM

anyways, thanks for the torrent since I hhad no clue an english patch was out :p

RacinReaver May 30, 2007 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwarky (Post 441718)
You have a lot of people saying the really good h-games have such good stories the sex scenes can be removed from the console versions as they are so out of place. I'm just saying the sex scene(s) weren't out of place or tacked on at all here, it was where the characters' relationships came to a point. It sounds to me like Soldier's reasoning for editing out the sex scenes from the Evangelion doujin for RE-Take (though he did do it for his little sister), while I felt they were a bigger part of the whole (and the strange atmosphere).

Is there a scene where you've blown a massive load on your sister's face? If so, I kinda feel like that would destroy any artistic value the game held.

Jujubee May 30, 2007 10:22 PM

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Is there a scene where you've blown a massive load on your sister's face? If so, I kinda feel like that would destroy any artistic value the game held.
No there aren't any scenes like that in KLS. They're actually sensual and have meaning. The characters don't just go 'Hey wanna fuck?' 'Ok!'

Infact, and this may be a minor spoiler.
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You only have sex with two different girls, not a whole harem like most games. Taka's girlfriend and his adopted sister.

RacinReaver May 30, 2007 11:14 PM

Oh, I guess if you're only fucking your girlfriend and your sister you're a pretty classy guy.

That is if we're defining classy as a candidate for the Jerry Springer show.

map car man words telling me to do things May 31, 2007 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by RacinReaver (Post 441968)
Is there a scene where you've blown a massive load on your sister's face? If so, I kinda feel like that would destroy any artistic value the game held.

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Originally Posted by RacinReaver (Post 442125)
Oh, I guess if you're only fucking your girlfriend and your sister you're a pretty classy guy.

That is if we're defining classy as a candidate for the Jerry Springer show.

So you're a classy guy for taking weak potshots at a game you've never played?

Now now RR. Not all of them need to be held in so much contempt (or feared, it seems). They're not great literature, but give 'em a break since they're not all about tentacles and kitchen utensils, even if you seem to want them to be.

Monkey King May 31, 2007 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Qwarky (Post 441718)
Well the characters fall in love and have sex (or make love, whichever way you want to put it). It's not a story meant for kids, and not just because it has sex scenes. By your logic, all movies should aim for the PG-13 rating or lower because someone dying, swearing or bleeding is gratuitous.

Well, yeah. That's why you see rated R movies - because they have death, swearing, explicit violence, and/or sex in them. You do not go to the theaters to see the Terminator because of the gripping plotline, you go to see an Austrian muscleman blow things up for an hour and a half. If your focus is on storytelling, you don't distract from that with titilating content.

The only exceptions that come to mind are movies that are trying to be brutally realistic for a reason, like Schindler's List. Outside of that, you'll be hard pressed to find an R rated movie that wasn't as much about the nudity as it was the plotline.

Simply put, sex scenes aren't a means, they're an end unto themselves. The story would work just as well if boy and girl go to bed together, then it fades to black, like it does in so many other media. Ergo, they're doing themselves a disservice including sex scenes in the game because it detracts from the whole, rather than compliments.

map car man words telling me to do things May 31, 2007 07:56 AM

Maybe it's the European in me talking here, but I still don't see how it's doing a disservice. Sure, you can remove the sex scenes and the story will be there, just as you can remove, say, the references to drugs in Trainspotting or any talk of sex in Y Tu Mama Tambien. But why? Why has the age rating thing conditioned people to think that anything raising the rating is something excessive and gratuitous. The sex scenes don't detract from anything since they're a part of the whole. You follow the storyline, you care about the characters, they fall in love, they have sex, and you're happy for them. They could fade to black, but showing the characters making love makes a much more effective statement about just how the two feel about each other.

It's not a game that would be played by regular gamers anyway. It IS an h-game, it makes no attempt to hide this, it simply is more gentle and honest than what's generally in games of this type (dating simulators as people assumed earlier). The audience is obviously completely different (at least that's what everyone's trying say, apparently).

I'm reminded of Fahrenheit's notorious sex scenes that were cut out from the US version, even though they showed more of the characters' relationships than could be shown without them (though Lucas' and Carla's scene felt far more out of place than the rest of the scenes, or the ones in Kana).

I just don't see how anyone mature enough wouldn't be able to enjoy something like that when it's well told enough. But again, maybe it's just me since I haven't grown up in an American environment.

Jujubee May 31, 2007 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Qwarky (Post 442281)
Maybe it's the European in me talking here, but I still don't see how it's doing a disservice. Sure, you can remove the sex scenes and the story will be there, just as you can remove, say, the references to drugs in Trainspotting or any talk of sex in Y Tu Mama Tambien. But why? Why has the age rating thing conditioned people to think that anything raising the rating is something excessive and gratuitous. The sex scenes don't detract from anything since they're a part of the whole. You follow the storyline, you care about the characters, they fall in love, they have sex, and you're happy for them. They could fade to black, but showing the characters making love makes a much more effective statement about just how the two feel about each other.

It's not a game that would be played by regular gamers anyway. It IS an h-game, it makes no attempt to hide this, it simply is more gentle and honest than what's generally in games of this type (dating simulators as people assumed earlier). The audience is obviously completely different (at least that's what everyone's trying say, apparently).

I'm reminded of Fahrenheit's notorious sex scenes that were cut out from the US version, even though they showed more of the characters' relationships than could be shown without them (though Lucas' and Carla's scene felt far more out of place than the rest of the scenes, or the ones in Kana).

I just don't see how anyone mature enough wouldn't be able to enjoy something like that when it's well told enough. But again, maybe it's just me since I haven't grown up in an American environment.

Well said, I agree entirely. For one thing, if they removed the sex scenes from the game it would have sold half as many. Most people, like me approached KLS just looking for another h-game to play.

Don't read this if you intend on giving the game a chance.
Spoiler:
On my first play through, the last thing I expected to happen was for Kana to die; I kept thinking 'Oh they'll find some way to save the girl like they always do.' But they don't, at least not in 5 of the 6 endings. Games don't usually go that far, the only one I can think of where a main character dies is FFVII, and honestly Aeris's death was weak compared to Kana. Most games have a happy ending where everyone lives happily ever after. But most games aren't adult rated are they? So the developers can't do whatever they want. That's not the case in KLS, they went all the way, throwing conformities out the window, and the only good ending is still quite depressing. Which makes it a very good, unique experiance. Of course people who never played it wouldn't know that, they only bought it for the hentai. So you either love it, or hate it, but at least try it.

surasshu May 31, 2007 11:23 AM

Monkey King hasn't played the game (right?), so he can't really tell whether the sex scenes are doing the game a disservice in the sense that they detract from the story. The sex actually makes sense in the context of the story to me and seems like something that would be weird if it wasn't there. I actually feel that some games are weird because they don't have sex scenes, sex is a natural part of love in my opinion.

But I think his point is the game turns people off because it's marketed as an adult game. You've seen the gut reactions in this very thread by people who have no idea what the game is about. If this was an RPG or an adventure game, nobody would be suggesting that one of the possible endings would be "group rape", I'll tell you that.

In other words, people are condemning the game because of it. That's what Monkey King means by doing the game a disservice. (I think?)

Anyway, the story of this game is really well done, and there's actual some measure of gameplay in it, so I would definitely recommend it, sex scenes and all.

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Originally Posted by Infernal Monkey (Post 441156)
Wait wait what, does this have anything to do with the completely retarded/awesome True Love '95?

Oh man, that game was super awesome! So much lolz!
http://i8.tinypic.com/6bcpgu1.jpg
I wish I could find screenshots of that girl in the trunk...

map car man words telling me to do things May 31, 2007 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by surasshu (Post 442376)
In other words, people are condemning the game because of it. That's what Monkey King means by doing the game a disservice. (I think?)

I can understand that kind of concern, though it doesn't really detract from the whole so much as bring out uncalled prejudice. And that's not really something that's the game's fault or the development team's.

RacinReaver May 31, 2007 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwarky (Post 442240)
So you're a classy guy for taking weak potshots at a game you've never played?

Now now RR. Not all of them need to be held in so much contempt (or feared, it seems). They're not great literature, but give 'em a break since they're not all about tentacles and kitchen utensils, even if you seem to want them to be.

I suppose it just comes from my somewhat recent contempt towards most games that try to have storylines recently. I've pretty come to the opinion that if I want a good story I'll pick up a book since so many games with storylines people praise tend to just be snoozefests for me.

(Although, seriously, what is a H-Game without tentacle rape. I thought that was their whole selling point.)

Also, I agree with MK in I think their use of explicit (or so I'm figuring from how you guys describe it) sex scenes really do limit the audience. I mean, sure, you guys stumbled across it because you were looking for a game where you bang your (adopted) little sister, but I imagine they might have actually been able to expand to people that wouldn't have already played the game if it had been done without the explicit sex scenes.

Also, frankly, I feel like there's a bit of a difference between sex scenes in movies and sex scenes in my video games. Would a scene of Hiro sticking it to Lucia really have any chance of adding to the game? (Though I will say having different 'sleeping' cutscenes for each time you get a new wife in Azure Dreams might have given a reason to actually build up your harem.)

Monkey King May 31, 2007 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by RacinReaver (Post 442500)
Also, frankly, I feel like there's a bit of a difference between sex scenes in movies and sex scenes in my video games. Would a scene of Hiro sticking it to Lucia really have any chance of adding to the game? (Though I will say having different 'sleeping' cutscenes for each time you get a new wife in Azure Dreams might have given a reason to actually build up your harem.)

Bringing up the Lunar series is probably a bad idea, given Luna and Alex's relationship to each other in the first game. -_o

In the end, here's the thing you have to ask yourself: why are the sex scenes there? I can't say I'm completely convinced they exist in Kana just as a logical extension of the storyline. I mean, showing instead of telling is an important literary technique of course, but what are we learning about the characters through sex that couldn't be conveyed through other means?

There's better ways to do it, without venturing into questionable territory.

Taco May 31, 2007 10:23 PM

No matter how young she looks, don't worry, j-list has you covered.

http://wtf.another14.com/age18.jpg

It's awwwwright.

Kesubei Jun 1, 2007 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco (Post 442643)
No matter how young she looks, don't worry, j-list has you covered.

http://wtf.another14.com/age18.jpg

It's awwwwright.

That's not really an issue here. What, do you have something against junior college students?

Elixir Jun 6, 2007 04:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Kesubei (Post 441763)
There's also Hirameki, a company that translates visual noves and struggles to sell them. They brought KiD's Ever 17 over here. Visual News has a bunch demos and doujin visual novels translated by their community, if you didn't already know.

Oh yes, Ever17. I downloaded that but I haven't bothered with it apart from the first 15 minutes. Some girl named You was taking this guy for a tour, while this other person was in some sort of multi-level building with a little girl telling jokes and another tour guide telling them about the building.

It was probably following the story of two people or something, I'm sure I'll get around to it since most games aren't translated of these kinds. I'd like to see White Breath Kizuna translated (the description of it sounds a lot like Kana Little Sister) but I haven't even seen a single PS2 visual novel translated so far. I doubt people will start.


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