Final Fantasy IV 3D DS
 

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/05/09/fi...-3d-treatment/
http://www.enregistrersous.com/image...509143020.html

As this is my favorite game of all time. I can not believe it. I woke up today with a text from a friend about this news. Rydia, I bet you are excited, along with all of the many FFIV fans we have here on this board!!!!


THANK GOD!!!!

damn, beat me to it.

While this isnt my favorite FF in the series I do have high hopes because it was something I was satisfied with, I hope for some more extras (the wifi-dealy with III).

With this being said, will SE keep on the ball and remake V? I dont believe IV needs to be touched, or anything after.

I honestly hope they put FFV and VI 3d on DS.

I CAN"T WAIT FOR THIS GAME LOL, as I listen to the FFIV ost.

Heh, what makes you think they won't? I wouldn't be surprised if they go all the way up to IX. Like Andrew here, folks are already waiting on the inevitable FFVI DS remake.

Cool. Now I can play it without the bugginess of the GBA version, or so I've been told. I have yet to play FFIII still though. I have it, but haven't touched it in ages.

Am I the only one who finds the sprite-work more charming though? I couldn't possibly imagine FFVI in 3D...I'll stick to the GBA port.

Not at all. Look at Cecil's curvy figure, his hips, his chest - he looks like a fucking woman, and not in your typical bishounen way.

I wasn't expecting this, so it's a nice surprise. =p I actually thought FFVI would have a 3D remake before FFIV since it seems a little more popular than the latter. Those screens look good so far though.

Surprise to me too o__O I like FFIII's 3D remake. Maybe this'll do nicely, hmm? ;3 The re-translation for the GBA version was very nice, so I hope it carries over to this.

You guys are missing the bigger picture.

3D Tellah.

My money is as good as gone.

Fascination with older men?...

Eleo? =(

Wow. I thought I was the only one!

Not another remake!? At least it's 3D, so it had better be laboriously detailed.
Thus, in addition to 3D Tellah, we should: get to whale away on the 3D version of Calbrena, witness the awesomeness of twin magic, see pumped up Rydia summons, etc.

They can only remake it so many times over to steal my money, so I'll just content myself with videos.

So Square has gone and caught the George Lucas bug, endlessly remaking their past hits and setting up a permanent camp in our wallets.

I for one am not biting. I'm a fan, yes, but the spritely version is good enough. It also helps that I do not own a DS :)

Funny, I had considered buying the actual game of FFVI Advanced, but now with this 3D Remake of IV being made, I'm not even going to bother (And I mean actually getting the physical game as opposed to a ROM).

Well, I'm glad I never bought any of the previous versions of the game. The only other good that could come out of this would be later on, a DS 3d Chrono Trigger.

Dear lord no. Tellah is just one of, if not the, greatest characters that has spawned from a Final Fantasy game.

At this rate, I'm going to ignore all the GBA releases and just wait for Square to cave and give us the FF6 remake we all wanted.

And this may give me an incentive to actually play this title.

I want this and I'll want the FFVI 3D remake for DS when it comes out, too. For some reason, I'm thinking they might wait a few years and do a serious graphical update for VI and release it for PS3 or something like that, though. I don't mind having already bought FFVI Advance since that game's 2D graphics have a charm of their own and a lot of nostalgia for me.

What I really want is a sprite version of FFVIII for the DS. Now wouldn't that be grand. FFXII RW's sprites look great from what I've seen of it, so other games should get the same treatment.

*glances at the JPN only DS version of Xenosaga I and II*

I like this one a lot. Since I had the chance to pick it up for the GBA, this probably had one of the better storylines in the FF series...

I'll probably be more interested in it if they could toss in some GBA Extras to the DS version, like weapons you could only unlock if you have the GBA version in Slot 2 or something. Give us something nice so this isn't just another boring remake of the game because you neglected to fix it in the five other versions you release.

Hmm...I wouldn't mind. Final Fantasy IV isn't my favorite Final Fantasy (but it's damn close) Final Fantasy III though...I suppose the graphics and art style was good, but the actual game of Final Fantasy III, IMO, was definitely shortlived. I bought the game only because it didn't come out here originally, and it feels like a return to Final Fantasy I after the train wreck that was Final Fantasy II. Some people might like Final Fantasy II (That's FF2j) but I hated it with a passion. Final Fantasy III felt like a reactionary decision back to Final Fantasy I, but was overshot. I didn't like Final Fantasy III that much.

But back to the point. Final Fantasy IV is a good game, so I'll probably end up picking this up because of the FF Fanboy in me.

That would be amazing. Update the music so that it's orchestrated would be great.

Why would they do that? These remakes are basically licenses to print money, and now that they've got the engine going, I'm sure it won't take much effort* to just churn out remakes of the next two for the DS. If they're going to milk this shit THAT much, and if the general consensus among idiot gamers is to keep buying this shit (as it seems to be, judging by responses to this news here and elsewhere), it'd be stupid for them not to.

* Compared to a PS3 port

They might choose not to release a DS remake because it would create even more demand for a PS3 remake. Many of us idiots probably would buy both pieces of shit, though, as you so gracefully pointed out.

To be fair, the Advanced versions weren't really "remakes" rather than just ports with a few little bonuses. A fullblown remake is another story entirely.

Honestly though, FFIV doesn't have as much potential for a remake as FFIII did. At least FFIII had the whole job system thing they could rework the mechanics for. In FFIV, everyone learns abilities naturally when they reach the right level. Not much you can change there.

As you can see, I'm not too hyped for this one myself. Never was a fan of the original and I don't see it getting much more than a graphic overhaul. Though if they do find new ways to improve it, it might be worth a shot. We'll see.

That doesn't even make sense. They won't do a DS version because they are afraid it might generate more interest in a PS3 remake? How is *more* interest in a project, whether it gets created or not, a bad thing for a company?

Let's assume for a moment they do end up doing both, and you're right, the DS version spurs interest in a potential PS3 version. Then they benfit from having more people interested in picking up the next-gen version due to the exposure the DS game got. It'd be dumb to NOT remake the entire SFC trilogy in either case.

Yes I agree that we need a Chrono Trigger remake for DS. But no more FF please! X1+2 for DS looked pretty and all, but leave them 3D FFs as 3D FFs. What I'd REALLY like to see wrt DS RPGs is SHADOW HEARTS! Judgment Ring modified for touch screen would be f***ing awesome!

I was a bit surprised to see them go right back to FF IV, but it looks pretty spiffy so far. I'd be far more excited if they ported Secret of Mana, Chrono Trigger, or by some miracle translated Seiken Densetsu 3, but seeing FF IV's summons and such in 3D will be nice too. This is one of those games that I never get tired of replaying, and I'm interested in seeing what changes to the story they plan to make.

I enjoyed FFIV a good deal on the GBA. One thing that concerns me is I couldn't really take FFIV seriously if they use the same cute like graphics of FFIII DS. I'd love to see what additions to the story they would make. FFIV's characters are some of my favorite and more interactions between them is a plus in my book.

I'm all revved for it - FF IV was the RPG that cemented my love of the genre - it therefore will always hold a special place in my heart.

Completely uninterested. My emulator runs the game just fine, and the game is more than adequate in it's spritely form. Especially since I've seen what happens when they try to turn Yoshitaka Amano's artwork into 3D. Those tacked-on cutscenes from the FF6 port on the PS1 were... not good.

The sample screenshot pretty well confirms those fears. They're going with that intensely creepy psuedo-SD style from Romancing Saga, which is just going to ruin the whole thing. But I guess Square has realized that people'll buy pretty much anything as long as it's shiny and called Final Fantasy.

You've basically took the words outta my mouth. They are going to fail when they try and convert Amano's (awesome) work into 3D. The DS could never handle the amount of detail the original artwork for the characters have. It's much the same way with the PSX and why they chose Tetsuya Nomura as the new lead designer. The PSX was too weak for Amano and does little to boast Nomura's "skills."

I doubt they would be dumb enough to try converting Amano's original designs into the 3D remakes. I've never been a fan of how he draws people anyway, so I don't want them to attempt it either. His monsters and scenery are gorgeous, but his characters look like anorexic zombies half the time. Still far better than Nomura's, of course. If he had his way all characters would just be color-coded giant zippers with spikey hair.

Aside from Cecil looking a little, er, busty in some of those shots the SD doesn't look bad at all.

I really don't understand why people keep getting excited about remakes of games, when nothing changes but the graphics and a few new dungeons (GBA version). If you're saying that this is a game that you can replay all the time, is it really necessary to get yet another version of the same game, when you have the other versions, or can use emulators to play all three of them if you're to cheap to buy them? The only remake made by Square that was worthy of noting was Romancing Saga (the original game was just awful), since they actually REMADE the entire game instead of just upgrading graphics or adding some random crap.

I like the way they're re-releasing all the old FF games. VII was the first to get a PAL release so I've never actually played anything older than VI (Which I played on the PS1). I'm sure there are also plenty of younger gamers who never played the early one either. I'll probably think about picking these up somewhere down the line second hand or something.

Spoony Bard! Ha ha! This game is going to own! Best Final Fantasy (2D) ever.

wow... wow... here's hoping this makes it to a system other than DS.

I really hope that they somehow remake all the FF's up till IX. Sprite-form or 3D, I don't mind either.

OMG. I just found out about this now because of this thread. My favorite game of all time too!!!!!!!!

Wow, Cecil totally looks like shit on those images :O

Meh, and I haven't even got around buying V and VI for the advance yet. Although FF3DS was a nice addition, I do prefer sprite over polygon. Won't buy this probably.

Although.. Tellah.

FUCKING TELLAH! :tpg:

I wrote that sentence ungoodly. I meant that the choice of not releasing a DS version could make a PS3 version more appealing.

I vaguely remember reading an article on rpgfan.com a few months ago mentioning that SE was intending on increasing the volume of titles they would be releasing and one of the things that they wanted to do was to train junior and entry level programmers out on a lot of the remake titles. If there's any truth to that statement then we can expect a lot more remakes in the future.

I just realized that one of the worst things about FF3 DS was the reduction in total ENEMIES in one battle. Usually, you fight 1, 2 or 3 enemies in one battle. On the NES, there were often 4-9 enemies.

I hope that FF4 is not botched in that matter.

I am MAINLY looking forward to the new cinematics, translation, and overall experience in the best video game storyline I have ever read.

It kind of amazes me how blatant SE's business model has become.

But I'd probably still buy it, even though I picked up the GBA version last year. It's amazing how expensive nostalgia becomes.

If they ever remade these old games for the PS3, I would hope to god that it was all 6 of the early games on 1 disc. However, knowing SE, they'll do a single disc for each game in order to maximize profits.

Me, I'm wanting less remakes and more new games. I guess I am getting the new game part of my wish, so we'll see how that turns out.

Dear sweet merciful toast. My reason to snag a DS has arrived.

Normally, I wouldn't bother giving two shits about a re-re-re-remake, but since FFIV was what got me into the FF series in the first place, I do believe this news gave me a chill.

Here's some more news.

http://kotaku.com/assets/resources/2007/05/ff4web.jpg
Here's the website!!
http://www.square-enix.co.jp/ff4ds/
The piano music is beautiful.

My friend sent me this information below on aim, can anyone confirm?

The original version apparently only included about 25% of the intended script. Thankfully, the DS version will include the remaining 75% of the original concept.


- From: http://www.gamespot.com/pages/news/s...s&subj=6170682

So all they need to do now is make 2D versions of FFVII-X. I'm still waiting for PS3 quality remakes of all the games thus far (pre XIII of course).

New dramatic cut scenes and expanded dialogue? I don't even feel dirty about inteding to buy this game anymore. I really can't wait to see how they improve upon the already massive drama in the story.

Here's some more good info :)

from: http://ds.ign.com/articles/789/789326p1.html

Oh boy, I can't believe I almost overlooked this thread.

I love FFIV; it's probably my 4th favorite after VI, XII and IX. But I just bought it for the GBA ;__; I know that it's pretty buggy and all, but unless the 3D version provides a LOT of good extras or something really special, I probably won't get it.

3D FFVI is crucial, however. Crucial. I will buy VI 20 times if I have to. :(

Trailer is now up at the official site. Click on the Square Enix Party icon! :)

What's the piano track that's playing in the background of the site? I really like it.

Hahaa... The 'Special Trairer' [I wonder if anyone else noticed that?] didn't show anything gameplay related. Just a bunch of FMV sequences with a voiceover, rambling about crystals.

It's an excerpt of the Piano arrangement of "Theme of Love", taken directly from the "Final Fantasy IV Piano Collections" album.

For what concerns this project, I must say I have mixed sensations.
While I'm intrigued by the expanded script they intend to unveil, I've always loved the particularly rudimental sprites of the original. You know, it's like that original 2D engine led the player to conceive the scenes in a very personal and intimate way everytime. The third dimension makes everything a little too... explicit, if you get what I mean.
Anyway, it's pretty likely that I'll end up buying this title too, just to see how the remade story unfolds.

You know, I love the spritely as much as the next guy, but, hey, I'm a faggot for this kinda thing. Plus I've avoided buying any of the rereleases, anyway, so now would be a good time for me to actually own the game.

The first is "Theme of Love" from the "Piano Collections FINAL FANTASY IV" album. The second could either be from that, from "Orchestral Game Music Concert 1" or some other VGM concert.

EDIT: Duh... Too late.

One-Forth...Okay, now I'm interested. I always figured there had to be more to the whole Kain thing.

So this is 25% of the story that JAPAN got, not just the US, right?

Yes. Seems that they had to reduce the volume of the plot, due to time and especially cartridge memory constraints.
Though the doubt remains on whether or not it's all but a marketing ploy...

I'm especially curious about how that will translate in terms of character and scenario development.

OMG!!! Awesome lol. The most important thing there was the 2007 release date. The whole battle outside the tower FMV vid was awesome!!

25% of the story? Sounds like a lot of bullshit to me.

Provided that this other 75% no one has ever heard about is good, I don't really care if it's marketing bullshit or not (which I'm sure it is, at least some). Who knows, maybe now Rosa won't be a completely unlikable ditz!

The new trailer makes me wonder if they plan to include many FMV sequences in-game rather than just an opening movie like FF III had. The first part is Cecil and Rosa discussing him travelling to Mysidia, and that's not really opening movie material unless it's a very extended opening.

On the official site, it seems that they are looking for singers, amatuer or pro, to sing theme of love.

Can anyone translated the requirements and information? I kinda wanna see if I have a shot. :P

http://www.square-enix.co.jp/ff4ds/guideline.html

Xaldin from kh-vids translated the address.


(12th floor Reception)
Shinjuku Bunka Quint Bldg.,
3-22-7 Yoyogi,
Shibuya-ku,
Tokyo,
151-8544,
Japan

What you need:

First you need a profile. Include age, address, contact phone number, mail adress, first and last name, and date of birth

A self promotion sentence

A full body photograph

A Demonstration, either Cassette Tape, CD

And you have to mail to the "Secretariat of the FFIV Vocalist"

(Secretariat is basically international secretary that work in duties around the world.)

I would like to see a Shadow Hearts game or something similar on DS that's more "grown-up," but that is unlikely due to the total, complete kiddie nature of the DS. Probably more likely to see SH on PSP than DS I'm afraid...

FF IV is fine, but why can't Squeenix make some original titles? At least they are working on that FFXII spin-off...

I don't really think a spinoff of another game really counts much towards 'original title' material, either. Still, as long as the games are good I guess that's all that really matters. I've always had a soft spot for FFIV anyway, so this is exciting regardless. The visual design of the game looks a bit weird (like a overly anorexic RS:Minstrel Song) but I doubt it will bother me when I'm actually playing the game.

New scans~
<1> <2>

Good grief, those super deformed characters look really silly. It was ugly and vaguely creepy in Romancing Saga, and it's not working here. Cutesy marionettes do not lend themselves well to serious storytelling.

The idea of an expanded remake sounds intriguing, and it'd be nice to see some of the obvious dangling plot threads resolved. But man, the visual style is seriously off-putting. I just can't take the romance sub-plot seriously if Cecil and Rosa look like Precious Moments figurines.

I dunno, I kinda like the designs. Rydia's hair is too jagged, but other than that I think they look pretty good. Cecil's paladin form is especially nice since his hair's not purple and he isn't wearing an absurd amount of makeup, unlike his CG counterpart.

III DS had similar character designs. It's seriously easier to get used to than one would think.

And it's a hell of a lot better than the soulless disturbingness of those models for Romancing SaGa.

Wow, I can honestly say that I didn't see this coming. I can't wait for this!!

I like the models. Like a decent mix of RS (I never had too many issues with them honestly...) and FF3 DS. It'll look fine on a small DS screen at any rate. Rosa looks cute.

The models are perfectly fine. You'll get used to them in no time and the overall art direction is absolutely fitting. If they manage to tweak the minor annoyances of Final Fantasy III DS, this is going to be an amazing remake. Can't wait for the inevitable Final Fantasy V and VI ones.

Personally I really enjoyed the FFIII remake on the DS and so naturally I'll be looking forward to this. The fact that they're updating/tweaking the story justy adds further to that. It's definitely looking promising, so one to watch.

I'd love a 2D remake, but the models don't perturb me too much. I was a big fan of Yoshitaka Amano's artwork, so semi-girly-looking models don't upset me (unless they get weird on their clothing a la Nomura...).

Dunno if the "25% of the original story got to the game" thing is true, but if it is, we're in for one hell of a remake. The retranslation (both fan and official) seemed to hint at Kain having a thing for Rosa. It'd be interesting if they played that out well =o It would instill my faith back in to Square, even if only for a short while.

Minor?

I think the problem with III was that the DS can't deal with proper models, so everything looks un-aliased and slapped together with a 3D tool.

The screenshots in the scans which Tequila linked are "still images" of characters. It's what it looks like when an actual PV comes out that matters. How they're going to not make them look like wriggly bullshit is beyond me.

http://www.rpgland.com/content/media...4dsart8221.jpg

http://www.rpgland.com/content/media....thumbnail.jpg http://www.rpgland.com/content/media....thumbnail.jpg

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I wonder if FFIV DS will be capable of this many....
http://www.geocities.com/evil_borg/8imps.bmp
...enemies.

Now see, if the whole game looked like that, I'd be happy. Granted it's only the DS, but if Squeenix came out of nowhere and did a really good 2D conversion in the same vein as Odin Sphere and Grim Grimoire, I think I'd die on the spot. Snowballs in Hell, I know, but a man can dream.

I'm reflecting on how silly Golbez looked during that short bit at the end of the original game when they made a player sprite out of him. The graphical limitations of the SNES sort of let you handwave the fact that Golbez was inexplicably 20 feet tall when you fought him, but it's going to look strange with everything being more detailed and 3D - or ridiculous if you're still fighting cutesy chibi Golbez.

Given that the chance Square would do some shit like, say, render any of the older Final Fantasy games into a 2D remake at the level of the animation sneakery of Odin Sphere is... wait for it... a "fan-ta-sy."

So clever. So... gay.

Anyway, I like the way it looks. The designs of Final Fantasy II/IV were a strong point of the game. Aside from Rosa, who isn't all that great of a design visually (in my opinion, torch burning angry people), I really dig the looks of Dark Knight Cecil and Kain. In spite of being "chibi", they manage to come off with an aura of... uh, darkness and seriousness. Really.

It looks good considering the hardware, and I think giving the best effort on what you're working with at the time is commendable. Looking good, Square. Doesn't mean I loved Final Fantasy II/IV enough to play it again, but I'm not gonna hate.

Something tells me that I'll like it. When I first heard about it though, I groaned. That's just because FF III DS left a very bad taste in my mouth at first.

Myself and borg have been masturbating to the new scans.

I'll be damned if Kain doesn't look like Batman. Edit: Or whoever that is that looks like Batman.

I've never really played past the beginning of FF IV, so maybe this DS version will be a good reason to. I like this style of SD characters way more than the Final Fantasy III one, though. I hope they continue using it.

I like the new screens a lot. The Ramuh summon looks nice, seems like all animations are going to get a good upgrade, since the FF3 ones looked rather bleh and boring, admittedly. Cutscenes look very well, too - I'm probably going to get it once it's being released in either English or German.

Hotlinking FTW
http://www.rpgland.com/content/media...76879_ff10.jpg http://www.rpgland.com/content/media...76879_ff09.jpg
http://www.rpgland.com/content/media...76879_ff06.jpg http://www.rpgland.com/content/media...76879_ff08.jpg
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Yang, Edward and Dark Knight Cecil have MP!

wtf. Why does Yang look like a damn Moogle.

I told you Moogles started on FF4 :)

jk

Amano's art is so damn depressing and old looking.

I want a FF7 remake (ya im a fanboy but meh, its a great game and I want to play it in uber 3Dness of prettyness and sexy!). If anyone has any links or info on a FF7 remake let me know, I <3'd that game so much.

Oh and why is it that if you havent played 1-6 your not a fan, but a fan boy? Just because you dont like playing the old crappy sprite games (not crap games, just crap animation) and you prefer games with a bit more visual prowess, does not make you a fan boy, it makes you someone who likes what they like, its a common geek thing that if you dont own all 15 million pieces of memorbilia, have seen the 7000 japanese underground manga's, and eaten the official product food, then you cannot be considered a true fan. Fuck off and die, I like what I like, if you wanna argue then accept the fact that your the comic book guy.

No, it makes you a graphics whore.

That was totally unnecessary in a thread for Final Fantasy IV for the DS.

Anyways, from the shots above, it looks A LOT like Final Fantasy III, which, while the graphics were nice, the game didn't have the kind of appeal that a lot of the other Final Fantasy games gave me (like IV, V, and VI). Hopefully, Final Fantasy IV stays true to the original mood and play the same it did originally.

Also, is that an ATB bar on the bottom screen? Final Fantasy IV didn't have bars I don't think. It started with V. But otherwise, it looks pretty good.

And hell, It's about damn time after Final Fantasy III lacked any use for the bottom screen for half the time you were playing. You actually get a map on the other screen instead of just a black screen.

I like where this game is going. Now we just have to wait for V and VI to follow suit, and we'll have a damn good showing of classic Final Fantasy on one system.

I'll take a V DS, but if I'm getting a VI remake, I'd rather it come for PS3 or PS4 and be in like, 2015. I know this opinion won't be popular, but eh, I would enjoy that the most.

They added the ATB in the GBA port/remake too. I think it was always "there", but in the background.

I don't think FF5 or 6 DS remakes are necessary. Especially in the case of FF6, the graphics were of SNES's best. Same with the music score. Lastly, the storyline was complete the way that they intended it.

With 4's remake, they are doing a form of a "Director's Cut" and redoing the game as it was intended -- great graphics to show the drama and the full storyline that hasn't come into fruition yet. So, FF4 is the only one from the classic games that should be redone.

FF5 is unnecessary IMO because the storyline was complete, and all they would do for a remake is upgrade the graphics and make us pay to play it.

Further, FF7 should be remade on some console like the PS3 -- minimum.

You forget that this is Square-Enix and that FF on DS = instant lots of money. I really wouldn't put it past them. I'd really hope that as they keep enhancing this engine that they eventually make an original title with it though.

I doubt they'll make any original RPG.

Considering they barely advertised their first original IP in years recently it wouldn't surprise me. =/

Why waste the money and effort making something new and original when people will lap up the same stuff over and over?

Makes me wonder how many people own all of the remakes Squenix has thrown out.

Oh I dunno, seems they did well enough when they were putting out original ips all over the place back in the SNES era.

Also a lot of the PlayStation era. They did release a couple of remake packages that I remember there being fuss about, but they also had like, the Parasite Eve games, Threads of Fate, Musashi, Einhander, couple of SaGas, Bushido Blade, Vagrant Story and the like. But I'd say they're probably making more cash on these FF reprints than anything else.

Well in *my* defense, I've skipped the GBA remakes except for FFIV (well I downloaded Dawn of Souls and played for like 10 minutes, but that doesn't count does it?) and skipped the recent PSP FFI & II remakes.

I do admit that I'm a sucker for FF's 4 and 6 though, so yeah, I am a sap and will buy FF4 on DS and would love FF6 on PS4. :D

Saga isn't really a original IP anyway though. They just didn't throw the series at us really before SaGa Frontier. Well, Final Fantasy Legends 1 and 2 were also originally "SaGa" games but they obviously didn't think they were going to do very well without a familiar name tacked on to them, so I'm not sure you can count those. It had already been a popular franchise in Japan well before then, and they still keep up with them in America (not sure about Europe) these days anyway. (We got both Unlimited and Minstrel Song, so it isn't like they were only tossin' them out in the PSOne era)

I would like to see them put some effort into a truly new game but the sad truth is that even if they did... if it does well, you'll just see them churn out sequels for that anyway until they don't sell well anymore. One new original IP isn't going to help, they'll just milk it too afterwards. lawl Square.

Well yeah I know that, but I suppose I listed those mostly because they were tnew to America at that time, and they were something other than Final Fantasy. So you're right, not a new IP so much, but it was something different, so I tacked it onto the list. *Shrug* I probably should have explained myself a bit more originally. Sorry ^^

It really is sad, isn't it? I enjoy sequels, but part of me also wants to preserve the integrity of the original. Such a battle that goes on inside me :/
Part of me wants Skies of Arcadia 2 (I know, not Square, but still)...part of me would rather it be left alone. (And the latter part will probably win out, heh.)

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/6...9311po8.th.jpg

Rydia looks somewhat normal, as does Yang.

Too bad their sprite in-game looks weird (well, Yang's anyway)

Ok, IMO, just about all the CG renders of the characters look HOT, especially Rydia. It makes me wish the DS remakes along with FF6 would be next gen bound instead. Then again, its probably the graphic whore in me spewing this. I prob will get FF4 on DS, once I get FF3 as well... Money is a bit short on my end...

I think Rydia here on GFF might wanna switch avvies to this CG render. I think it would look nice...

Also:

http://www.rpgland.com/content/media...4dsart8221.jpg

I so want a widescreen wallpaper of this.

Regarding new IPs, we do have Last Remnants and Nomura's Subarashiki Kono Sekai (Wonderful World), but from the looks of it, Square isnt paying too much attention to those by comparison either... Sad. I heard Sekai is a really fun DS RPG... Would be a shame to not at least localise it for NA. And Remnants at least looked like its trying something new. Though the Microsoft conference probably showed more of Remnants...

Wow, CG Yang's face resembles my current history professor far too closely. I'm slightly disturbed.

I was hoping that adult Rydia's in-game sprite would have less pointy hair, but it still doesn't look too bad. It would be nice if they'd made it closer to the CG rendering, but we can't have an FF game these days without at least one character with outrageously pointy hair, I suppose.

Provided they set it in a different world, or at least far enough apart from the original's storyline, I would kill for a sequel to SoA.

Wait WHAT? There's gonna be dual-cast spells for people BESIDES the twins?

Fan fucking tastic.

I had actually switched before reading this thread. :p

Her design in this one is somewhat close to what I originally thought she wore. But the new design is much better. I also like the way Yang looks since it doesn't seem like they changed much about him.

I wonder if giving characters a lot of the skills will make this game more like FF6 (*cringes*) ....

Hopefully we get to choose from some and it'll feel great instead of all-out cheap.

Seriously, why are we discussing how it looks. DUAL CASTS.

Because I'll bet the DUAL CASTS look AWESOME!

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New scans!

This may be the first time I actually BUY FFIV. I've played all the other versions on Emulator. Looks Nice... but, on those new scans, what the heck is that white puppet thing with the bowtie?? Looks creepy.

Yeah.... people are speculating on a different board about this, but no idea.

Whatever it is, it's kinda cute. Reminds me of a cross between a moogle and a calcobrena. Maybe it's a new status effect?

Could be the dolls! Luca's evil dolls!

Yeah, the Calcobrena. That was my first thought, or a redesign of the Namingways.

More than likely it's something completely new though. Since there's a screen of one in your battle formation it must either be a new race or a new status effect. Possibly both.

BIG UPDATE: Final Fantasy IV en vidéo

This thread just reminded me that I have FF4. It's the PSX version called Final Fantasy Chronicles. I only ever played it once for about 10 minutes.. So, should I play through the original version first or wait for this one to come out on DS? XD

Yeah, might as well. Get used to what FF4 was in the past , then play the DS one and notice the changes they are going to make. They are adding a lot more.

You have plenty of time to beat FF4, too, it's only September.

Just play the DS version. You don't really need to have played the original. If you DO choose, for yourself, to be knowledgable, play the GBA version.

There is no point whatsoever in the PS1 version. The GBA one has bonus caves. Also, the PS1 has a tad worse loading and stuff. If you can't get the GBA one, play the ROM on SNES.

Oh but what a waste of the nostalgia the game is designed to bring.
A game like FF4, I'd totally recommend playing the original before a remake.

The reason everyone is so giddy is because we've all been through it (some of us like dozens of times--it's my wife's favorite game and she loves doing speed runs) and it's a total classic. Seeing the remake makes us excited because we see the opportunity for something we love to be "new again," to an extent. If you play the DS version first and then backtrack, I'd say you're probably selling yourself short. (Not that it will be "bad" or "inferior," but when the remade one is your first experience...it's just not gonna be good for subconscious bar-setting in certain areas.)

That's all true, but one can't create insta-nostalgia. He missed the game when it was new, and playing an old SNES cart will only make him dislike the game as he will be seeing it from the lens of 2007.

Rather he ignore the nostalgia and play the DS version first, so that maybe later he could go back and replay the original and see what we saw, back then.

With matters so individual/subjective as this one, it's hard to speak for others, but in my case, I'd known about the game, but didn't play it until PSX (and didn't make it very far due to a memory card wipeout), and didn't actually get into it until a couple months after the GBA release. (The wife is a different story entirely though ^_^) And yet this DS version has me fanboying all over the place. But yeah, it's hard to speak for others on hypotheticals like this so...I'm gonna stop before I think so abstractly I end up going back in time.

Better, non 'TGS people are all up in my way and there is crappy sound' trailer!

HOLY FUCKING CRAP @ trailer quality and the voice acting.

Holy shit...

Now I'm interested... BUUUUUT obviously in the US version, they might cut off the voices and add the dubbing(IF they can gather the best VA's..) and it'll suck. This trailer is more than enough to satisfy me now.

Just saw that trailer. There is almost no way I am NOT getting this now.
Is there another place that has that trailer, or downloadable? I want to
get working on extracting screenshots for Avatar/Sigs & such things.

Impressive. Has the Theme of Love song been released yet? Love the vocals.

"Theme of Love" is one of my most favorite Final Fantasy theme songs... can't wait to hear the single.<333

And the trailer is gorgeous. I'm now hunting down a GBA copy of the game to play, sigh.

I just found out that the JP version has voice acting. Horrible English voice actors -- WATCH FOR IT ;____;

New pic of the CG cutscenes. Jesus Christ they made Cecil look badass =D

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But it makes me fear atrocious voice acting all the more.

Full, natural versions of above pictures (Photobucket causes shrinkage, y'know):
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Just got lobbed an interesting idea. If FFIV's voice acting is lousy, then...:
I don't want bad acting perverting an experience of one of my favorite games of all time =O

I fully agree, bad voice acting can haunt you for life (Baten Kaitos). I would like to expect either an option for Japanese voices, or to be able to turn them off, that is unless the acting is good, there aren't many games that had good voice acting such as RE4.

SE won't give you the choice. They're huge on doing dub jobs. And given their track record (FFX and FFXII main characters in particular), I'd rather not leave it up to them.

I just watched the new trailer from early October and DAMN am I impressed. I expected Cecil's voice to be deeper but no gripes. Kain's voice? Awesome. And Golbeze's is even more win.

well FFXII and even FFT (psp version) have really good voice acting at least for me I think FFXII has one of the best English voice acting lately (not the best but one of the best...)

and I think they didn't even started working on the english version so start complaining when we will actually hear the english voice >_>

Man, I'd kill to hear have the single to the vocal version of "Theme of Love". Sounds damn fine. A shame that it'll be English-ized.

Even though it was a different singer, were The Theme of Love's lyrics the same as the Final Fantasy: Pray version?

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So the official Japanese development blog outlined several new features for this version of the game (some of this is old, but it hasn't been posted yet):

* Players may now re-form their party with any character as their leader, just like the original. Only now, when a player enters the menu screen, the leader will be shown on the bottom screen with their personal thoughts on what is going on in the story at the time - sometimes with funny anecdotes.

* An in-game jukebox function has been added with all songs from the game, complete with commentary by Edward.

* New combination attacks can be performed between certain party members.

* Story elements that were not able to be inserted in the original version due to space or time restraints have been added. The overall amount of dialogue has greatly increased.

* It seems that unlike the GBA version, characters such as Cid, Palom, Porom, Edward, and Yang *cannot* be recruited late game. The developers thought this "changed the game too much". "The story of FFIV", Square claims, "was always it's most important feature. The last five characters you control in the original version simply worked very well with each other, and we wanted to preserve those feelings." Characters can now "inherit" skills of any character not currently in the party, giving them new abilities. These new abilities can be shuffled and exchanged in several ways.

* Many towns have been completely re-vamped. Damcyan now appears more "Middle-Eastern", while Fabul is more "Chinese". Eblan has also been designed to look more like a "ninja residence".

* While the polygon count of character models has been reduced from Final Fantasy III DS, more characters and enemies will be displayed on the screen at a time. With new character voices and cut-scenes, the game was barely able to fit on the 1Gb DS game card.

The game is also still on for its December 20 release in Japan.

Wow. Awesome update. Thanks :)

1GB?! o.O
Don't they mean 1Gbit aka 128MB?

And yeah, great update. :)

So we're gonna see a FFIV version of Konoha with a teenager with yellow spikey hair jumping around yelling "Believe it!"

Hopefully the music will receive a good update. I don't know how well it worked for Final Fantasy III. All I know is it's a good thing it doesn't sound like the GBA version. Hopefully they'll also keep this game uncut like in the Playstation version.

Wow, that sounds pretty cool. I was kind of unsure about the inability to change your party members at the end, but I feel better about it with the explanation given.

And combination attacks? That sounds awesome. Hopefully they don't make Palom and Porom's Twin Attack ridiculously useless like it was in FFIV Advance...

RPGamer > Final Fantasy IV DS > Propaganda

Dunno if this is new/old, but it looks awesome. New pics of FFIV. Seems they flesh out Cecil's past. Kain and he were orphans, Cecil having been found as a baby under a tree by the king.

The Shining Force remake tried to make a storyline development and it was a phenomenal flop in my opinion. I hope this doesn't follow, but it seems they're putting a lot of heart in to this. Also, I'm unsure what I think of the custom-character thingie on the final page... =(

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Official box art up.

Yes, you're right, "1Gb", not "GB". That was my bad. :eagletear:

Still, I was very pleased with these updates. I"m looking forward to the game already. I haven't seen anything about a release date outside Japan, but I guess it's still too early. This is a good opportunity to remind everyone that the DS is region-free!

I'm hoping someone cooks up a way to switch out the voice tracks. The JP voices sound too damn awesome to pass up.

Reinhard from LoGH plays Edward/Gilbert. I mean COME ON =U PERFECT VOICE.

Hope that trick I copy-pasta'd a few pages back will work...

SquareEnix would be stupid to not release this outside Japan... and too stupid for hiring bad dub voiceovers. :/

Yes. The quality of voice actors in the US, in comparison to Japan, is laughable. I won't mind if there is no voice audio as I prefer reading the scripts and dialogue anyways.

Where does that "official" box art come from?

The pic was original posted on the True Gaming blog and then uploaded to Wikipedia to replace an earlier version obtained from a separate source. A larger version is also available here. It was scanned and uploaded at TG alongside the Rune Factory 2 box art which, as far as I can tell, is legit as well.

Oh, and here's some news for the new soundtrack!

Well someone did a capture of the PV Theme of Love. Here's the link to the torrent:
伊田恵美-月の明り-Final Fantasy IV 愛のテーマ-[2007/12/05発売](推荐!) æ—¥é¥. - JPFans.COM

anyone can upload the pv please, because none of the two link worked for me in that jp website :\

edit: never mind I manage to make it work

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Best. Game. Ever. Made.

(All versions)

I can't get this to work. Can someone help me.

The link you're looking for is the second one after the group of pictures ("【JPFans.COM】[Pv](2007.12.05)伊田恵美-月の明り-Final Fantasy IV 愛のテーマ-.torrent (17 K)"). The file you get from it has no extension, but it's actually a torrent file. Just open it in any torrent program, or right click and "Open with..." and select your torrent software from the list.

Also, the new Theme of Love *does* have different lyrics than the one featured in Final Fantasy Vocal Collection PRAY (called "Into the Light" on that particular album). The melody is nearly the same, but the new version is mostly a piano piece with violin accompany while the older one had a whole orchestra thing going on. It sounds really good, though!

I did that but it didn't work... I'll try it again. Thanks.

Edit; tried it again, it doesnt work. Can someone upload it for me?

I made an attachment of the torrent.

...or are you having trouble download via torrent? The folder and filename are in Japanese/unicode.

Okay this is like the third or fourth time trying. I download the torrent, it finishes. Then it won't let me view the file. I don't know why. It just doesn't open.

Can someone just upload the .avi file for me? Thanks.

Make sure your codecs are all up to date.

I actually had a similar problem - the file downloaded okay, but I couldn't open it or even rename it. What fixed both issues for me was renaming the long-ass directory it downloaded into (which wasn't a Japanese name, but looked like it'd been forced into alphanumeric gibberish) to something smaller like "theme of love." After doing this, I was able to open the file and it played fine.

YouTube - Final Fantasy IV DS -THEME OF LOVE-(愛のテーマ) MV

Is this all the torrent is?

yes that's it

I see an MTV icon in the upper right on the Youtube.

WTF =U

Edit::

O. Japanese MTV. I guess it isn't bogged down yet with bad shows and hour-long commercial breaks =D

LOL. Japanese MTV is different from US MTV.

When it comes to music, Japanese mean business! XP

New merchandise. I am getting these.

Rydia is going to freak.
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Final Fantasy Compilations

god I'm so importing that kit even if I don't have a ds lite D

I can't get that Livejournal link to load, but is that a DS skin or a special DS? I'm already pumping out enough money to buy these.

It's a DS Skin. If it was a DS I would buy it for sure. Either way I'm buying.

For the music side. Do you guys also think that the soundtrack will be receiving a similar treatment to Final Fantasy III DS?

Like which they had a Black Mage version of the final battle in FFIII DS' soundtrack.

I really hope not. I like the original Zeromus battle.

new Japanese trailer, that is currently shown in some Japaneses stores.

Trailer Boutique - Final Fantasy IV (DS)

the more I see about this remake and the more amazing it seem! I really really hope the English voice acting will be at least almost as good as the Japanese one.

Is it just me, or does the Theme of Love playing through that just highlight how damn sad the story is at times?

Damn that full CG stuff at the end gave me the chills and almost tears.

Such a cool video! Seems like I get more excited about the game the more I read about it.

Y'now, for a "love song", that theme really is kinda melancholy, but it really fits the tone of the game. The schism between Kain and Cecil was always one of my favorite parts of the story, and I hope the new script does a good job with it.

Well I have a gut feeling that this'll do a damn fine job of showing Kain's crush on Rosa. The childhood flashback in the video shows Kain about to pop Cecil in the face, but Rosa shows up and Kain is all "NAW NOTHIN' GOING ON HERE :3:"

I always wanted the game to develop Kain more... =o Most of the characters have some backstory to them. Kain? Well, he knew Cecil before the game started. Then he is converted by Golbeze. Figured there was room for loads of character development there.

Also, in the screen caps a page back, the guillotine over Rosa seems odd... How is it supposed to kill her if she's suspended *vertically*? =o THE BOULDER MAKES MORE SENSE NOW YES?

This game back in the day, is what got me playing RPGS. I'm getting a DS(xmas) just for this game and a couple others.. but man, I cant wait.

If anyone is interested, I saw these.

You're quite late on those.

Deni already bought them and has pictures up. They look quite good. Maybe he'll post them in this thread for all to see.

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I'm glad to see they all look good except for Rosa since she's the one character I don't give a damn about. Mine shipped on the 10th, so they should be here any day.

So far the game is awesome. Opening CG gave me chills. Also, I love the new music for the town theme. Baron, the city, is gorgeous.

The auto-battle is useful, as well as the menu shortcuts to items. The world map so far is well done... The map on the bottom of the screen is good too.

I love it.

I'll have to remember to buy the Accessory Kit when it comes out in two days or so.

Must have fun-sized Rydia screen cleaner.

Yeah, so far, the game is terrific. It looks better than FFIII AND runs smoother. It's also quite a bit harder. Normal enemies take away more damage (even though there's slightly less of them) and the Mist Dragon is pretty nasty. I don't remember ever having to level up on this boss (even less so on the GBA version).

Wait, it's in stores?
My game shop told me it wsn't out till the 20th (like the commercials say).

Or do you be pirating?

Screen cleaner? I just saw a Rydia cell phone key chain thing.

It's a screen cleaner.

You wipe the DS screen with her backside. You can also use it as a cell phone strap though! No one says she has to be purely on your DS (in fact some people even put them on their cell phones to clean the screens on those too).

Oh I see. Hell yes. I'll clean my DS with her Fine booty.

Some of the arranged tracks are very good ("Mystic Mysidia" now uses much more realistic instrumentation, for example, similar to the Celtic Moon version), but "Mt. Ordeals" got killed. It used to be one of my favourite FFIV compositions, and Nakano and Fukui got rid of all the good and moving chords and replaced them with boring ones.

I uploaded three preview tracks for anyone who'd like to have a small insight in the arrangements.

Downloaded the JP version and played for a while. The vocal cutscenes have subtitles, so an undub is a very real thing to pull off =D The voice actors are awesome, and I'm very impressed. Wish I could read Japanese text, though, because lots of menu things confuse me.

One gripe though -- they're sticking with the "newer" Moogle design. There was a moogle for some reason that I talked to en route to Cecil's bedroom (for the Cecil-Rosa cutscene), and it had the long stupid rabbit-ears. Why did they drop the old design? :mad: Whenever I think of a moogle, I imagine the ones that I saw in, like, FFVI and stuff.

Ordeals was one of my favorites... :( :( :( :( :(

Auto-Battle makes me both happy and sad. Happy because I can be lazy and sad because... I can be lazy!

In other news, my FF4 accessory kit shipped today, I wonder when it'll arrive...

where did you guys ordered the accessory kit? I saw it on playasia I was going to get it there, but I just want to know if there's other place to check before ordering it ;)

Speaking of music tracks. The full soundtrack will hit the streets of Japan on January 30. Which's a week behind Lost Odyssey's soundtrack.

For those playing the game via flashcart someone at gbatemp.net is working on a translation patch... everything except the dialogs/story. They should have something ready in a couple of days.

And yes, the game's awesome... except for some "arranged" music track like mention a couple post above. :/

Speaking of translation. Totally had to reload to an earlier save because I was dumb and didn't double check the Decant I used on Cecil.

I don't want him to sing =(

Buh? There weren't ever any moogles in FF4. I guess if they're just gratuitously adding them in, they can look like whatever Squeenix wants, I suppose.

Which gives me misgivings about the game, if they're going above and beyond just doing a modernized remake.

Actually, those 'moogles' might be the Namingways. They could have re-designed them to be more rabbit-like to fit in with the whole Tsuki Usagi story; they do live on the moon after all. I haven't played it yet, but that would make sense.

That's the only thing I can think of. There were no moogles in FF4 but I do remember you can talk to Namingway reasonably early on.

Yes, Gech is talking about our beloved Namingway, now renamed to Mappingway and Damingway.

Deals with maps and camping now.

Whew~ =o Thought it was the new fucked up Moogle form. And I didn't remember those fellows appearing in Baron Castle...

Well you get rewards for 100% maps now so I guess they wanted to dump them on you earlier.

Oh God :( The music for Mt. Hobbs / Ordeals has been absolutely destroyed :(

So freakin' what? I mean the game itself looks really cool.

low quality? or just a different tune?

As someone who enjoyed even the Celtic Moon remixes, I see no issues with any of the remixed songs in the game.

I'm actually somewhat not surprised by the "new scenes" they added, especially when a lot of them were created just so the cell phone sequel could make sense.

lol I knew that '60% of the plot content never got put in' figure was pure fiction.

Tokita still insists 60% of the plot never got put in. However he never stated he would put all 60% into the game.

Yeah most of it is just dumb.

Different sounds/instruments. It just sounds bad.

If it sounds bad? So what, dude. For me I don't buy games because they have arranged music scores or added features. Because if you were to buy a game and all you cared for is it's new features (arranged music, graphics etc...). Then you'd be overal wasting your money and time.

In Nintendo DS, stuff like these are gonna happen. Like when also Square Enix continues the trend with Final Fantasy V then on to Final Fantasy VI. You just have to learn to accept the fact that things aren't gonna be the same as they were in days of old FF games. Even the PSP version of FFI & II has enhanced features as well.

Umm I love the game, I just dislike a song. Relax dude. Also this is my all time favorite game in history and been playing it frequently ever since I was 7 or so. I accept things will be different, however that was one of my all time favorite songs.

I've been thinking about playing FFIV for so long, as a lot of people say this is one of the best games in the series. But I started playing with FFVII (at age 13, when I could fully read an english story based game) so I unfortunatly overlooked the old ones.

After becaming a FF Fan I thought I should play at least FFIV and FFVI, so I started with FFVI and now SquareEnix gives us this marvelous present. At least for me, who was a lot reluctant to play the old one.

Anyway, I was thinking about a year about buying a DS ... This game just made now perfectly clear to me that I need one ASAP !

I played the old FFIV on PS1 just this past summer and it was a pretty good game. At least it wasn't like XII where I got confused and turned the damn thing off after 10 minutes. It's the only pre-FF7 Final Fantasy that I've played (I started working on number 1 for the NES but I haven't gotten very far). I'm excited about this game except for one problem: there's still no release date for the US. :(

There hasn't been a release date announced for this game yet, has there?

I also have to wonder if they have Final Fantasy V and VI in the making for the DS as well.

I should post every week moaning about how there hasn't been a release date yet. I mean, seeing a post in this thread doesn't get anybody's hopes up about there actually having been an American date announced at all!




Seriously.



No :sarcasm: here.



Oh, and I should continue to make speculation about there being a 5 & 6 remake.




I'LL BRING NOTHING TO THE TABLE.

...I'm almost afraid to ask a question now. XD

Anyway, I don't know if this has been brought up before, but, I'm too lazy to look. Could someone tell me, what if the diffculty of the DS version? Is it closer to the GBA version, or the SNES version, or the SFC version, or whatever other versions are out there? If it does get a US release, I want to see if the difficulty is worth my money.

I heard it was MUCH more difficult. Something like Bosses would wipe the floor with you if you didn't pick up on their patterns quickly (i.e. not attacking a boss that hides in it's shell).

Oooo, very nice. My interest for the game is piqued now. I thought they would have dumbed the diffculty, like the GBA version. I'm glad they didn't.

I thought the bosses were quite challenging to begin with in the original. Maybe I was just under-leveled but I remember quite a few bosses that were truly difficult battles (EvilWall being the one that pops into my head.) But if it's even more challenging, I'm looking forward to this. I think recent games have gone down in difficulty, relatively speaking. I enjoy a good challenge. ^.^

I can also recall IV being very difficult from time to time, as well as some dungeons being close to hellish. I remember that tower, was it in the underworld? Good god.

Evilwall FUCK.

That name makes me break out into a sweat whenever it's mentioned.

Gah, you had to mention the frigging EvilWall. I think that's the boss where I'd come full stop and grind for a while until Rydia learned Virus, just so I'd have enough firepower to kill it in time.

I never had a HUGE problem with EvilWall . . . but then I was the tard who always Beserk'd Cecil.

Good that the game won't be made easier. My first experience with FFIV was on the more difficult version. I recall going through the last half of a dungeon without any healing items, MP of 0 for all characters who could use magic, and everyone's HP at about 100 (max at that point of the game was 3000 or so), and no cabin/tents or a save point in sight.

I was very excited for this game to come out and now months have passed and theres not even a word on a US release. I hate Square Enix.

This is quite literally, and based on experience, the best game of all time bar-none. Yes, I refer to this DS one. The original was my previous favorite but it's not the perfect game for all RPG gamers. The DS one is for many obvious reasons:

CGI
Voice Acting
Very challenging enemies and bosses
Unique classes as in the original game
Map System
Decant Abilities to add flavor & usefulness
Dramatic & moving storyline as in the original game
3d graphics

BITCH BITCH BITCH

Hi, why is this game not out yet huh?!

I hate Squeenix too!

Well it's about effing time!
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So the release date is now...July 2008? Freakin awesome, I can't wait. Sorry it's not an exact date yet, wvlf.

Whew, I had heard rumors at a point that the game wasn't going to be released here. Thankfully that does not seem to be the case... yet.

This (If indeed released here) will also be the first FFIV that I''ll actually buy, instead of running on emulator, so only way I could get ripped off is if they do a console 3D version on the PS3 or something :tpg:

Why the fuck does Takashi Tokita has to rain on EVERYBODY parade talking about Chrono Trigger (unless Nintendo brought up the subject)?! Not only that but what this "Josh" person posting his comment is right on the money. WE WANT A CT REMAKE! */rant*

Er, yeah... it's good news to hear that Final Fantasy IV DS is going to be release in North America. XD

NObody's bitching now, and we have approximate release date. I'm happy.

For anyone who's got this issue on hand, who the hell was the other female character pictured in the big artwork piece featured on the first 2 pages of the actual article. I was looking at this Nintendo Power at Barnes and Noble and I couldn't tell who the hell it was. I saw Rydia, Rosa, the twins, all the male characters except for Fusoya and Edward, and some girl who I could only guess was Anna, but I'm not sure. I liked a lot of the screen shots and artwork, but there's no way in hell that I'm buying a DS or another remake. I'm satisfied with the PS1 port, despite its lousy in-game movie and load times. All that matters is that it's harder than the SNES cart. If I want better graphics, I'll just browse fan art and DS screen shots before I forget about it for another several months.

Review link:
FlamingBaby - Final Fantasy 4 DS: A Refreshing Facelift
"The last major change to this version is the difficulty. I can't stress enough how much harder this version is than the rest."

And another:
RPG LAND Game Review: Final Fantasy IV (DS)
"This improved interface augments an already strong battle system, and the added difficulty and altered boss strategies will have even veteran Final Fantasy IV players feeling like this is a new game altogether."

Sounds like the difficulty is up, so you'll probably be satisfied there.

So yeah, I just finally have gotton around to playing the FFIV port for the GBA. Heh, about the time I finally finish it, THIS game will be ready and I'll begin all over again. Then again, maybe I'll just go onto V and VI and by the time I am done, this game will drop in price (it can happen, right? RIGHT?).

Looks cool, and given that I am enjoying FFIV, I'm sure I'll have a blast with the remake. Only thing I don't like is the music remakes as I have listened to some of them and haven;t been impressed.

Got an email from Square today announcing pre-orders on their site and was linked the flash site.


FINAL FANTASY IV | SQUARE ENIX


Probably old, but eh.

Final Fantasy IV English Trailer :tpg:

I feel like my ears just have been raped. Squenix, could you please stop ruining the games that I like and stop doing all these shitty remakes and ports? Probably not, because it's a fucking money carousel that'll never stop.

See, Borg. This is why everyone thinks you're a fucking idiot.

None of those voices sounded all that bad to me. Kain was kind of forced and Rosa might be an issue, but I never liked her to begin with. Wishing she'd shut up every time she opens her mouth won't be anything new for me.

As long as they don't screw up Rydia, Yang, or Cid this will turn out better than I expected.

I think you will find that "the games that you like" are remarkably unchanged unless ninjas are sneaking into your closet at night.

Is that Dan Green doing Kain? Wait, Wiki says it's Yuri Luthenel doing Cecil, so logic dictates, it's that guy who did Count Red in Metropolis.

No they're not. Many of the ports and remakes just don't do the same job as the originals, for various reasons. Sometimes it's graphics, changed design or art, sometimes it's sound/music, sometimes added (crappy) VA and CGI that ruin the original feel of the game, sometimes it's difficulty etc. etc.

Ok I'm going to break this down into very small words then :(

The game you like is old game

New game is new game

New game is copy many much things of old game

But IS NOT OLD GAME

IS NEW GAME

OLD GAME IS STILL THE SAME

NOBODY CHANGE IT

ALL THEY DO IS MAKE NEW GAME THAT LOOK A LOT THE SAME!

OLD GAME STILL THERE!

YOU CAN PLAY!

IT GOOD AND NOT HURT YOU

Oh.

Yeah now I get it.

Old game still do rock yeah.

But NEW GAME STILL PISS ME OFF

SQUENIX GET MONEY OF SHITTY GAME

SQUENIX PISS ME OFF

MAKE SOME NEW ORIGINAL (AND GOOD) GAMES SQUENIX

NO PORTS/REMAKES

GODAMMIT

squenix can no make new thing

they many time try make new thing

always doom get from making

new thing appear

fanboy say "new thing bad" "it bad because it new"

money fall in giant hole, never get back

very sad

squenix say "we never again make new thing, new thing is money fall in hole"

every time a squenix tries to make new thing now

elder squenix say

"remember secret of evermore"

"we must stick to the old ways"

true

but i feel no sympathy for squenix

i want new good game and not old

i do not want to give money for old game in new package

new that suck balls

i want see effort and a good new game

not half ass remake and port

if fanboy want remake

let us kill fanboy

I'm glad I'm not the only one who immediately thought that Dan Green was Kain. If that proves to be true, that's going to be interesting because it could be either good or bad.

I read on Wiki that there's an option where you can turn off the voice acting if you wish, so if you hate the voices you can just turn them off. The game doesn't sound that bad so far, so I can live with the English voices.

Where do they drag these people from? No one even speaks like that. Both Rosa and Kain sound like they are gross caricatures of what a white mage and a morally-ambiguous dragon knight is supposed to sound like.

When will Square Enix learn that stressing how doll like their characters are just alienates us from them?

I know, this portrayal of magic-wielding heroes in a world of fantasy is

SO

UNREALISTIC

Oh, good, I was waiting for this natural follow-up. "OMG ITS CALLED FINAL FANTASY FAGGOT".

C'mon, Pangalin, you know what I mean. A good story can be campy as hell, but if it goes too far it drops from campy to right shit. The only way magic-wielding heroes can be remotely cool in this context is to imbue some realism into them. The Japanese developers understand this; that's why every damn protagonist in a jRPG look like they came right out of a rock band. We, in America, don't have to copy that tactic - it doesn't apply, of course, as our rock stars are boring - but we could stop with giving them voices akin to what some fat nerd gave his character in D&D c. 1979.

Where do they drag these people from, you ask?

Well, I suspect we would need to examine the pool of people available for voice-acting in the role of "morally-ambiguous dragon knight".

The pool of voice-acting talent in the United States as a whole is kind of hilariously small: expecting that what little genuine talent is available is going to ditch their anime contracts so they can go do the third remake of a 17-year-old game is a bit of a stretch. You have to take what you can get, in these instances.

(and what you get, in this instance, is more than up to the task of handling FFIV's mostly paper-thin characters. KAIN ARE YOU BAD. NO I AM NOT. OH HO IT TURNS OUT I AM.)

lolin' at the description of Nomura's shitty costume design as "realistic"

I once had a dream where I had clown shoes and lots of shoulder pads that were actually pouches. I think I was also pregnant, but that might have been a really big pouch. You know how it goes.

Yeah, yeah, I get it. But you know, if they are going to remake a 17-year-old game, you think that they would, I don't know, get the characters a bit more... three-dimensional. It follows that as the game becomes graphically three-dimensional, the characters should, too.

And maybe the problem here is I'm not expecting extremely talented people to take over. Christ, let me do the voice of one of the characters. It's probably not too hard to do better than "My voice is deep I'm a morally-ambiguous dragon knight arrrrg".These characters' costumes bear obvious references to wildly-popular Japanese rock celebrities. I understand that the clown shoes don't exactly elicit the same feeling one gets from appreciating Greek statues; regardless, the characters are made to look like they belong on the streets of urban Tokyo so that teenagers in Japan can relate to them. Since the costumes here have no basis (so they just look ridiculous) the least I think they could do is make Kain talk like a goddam normal human being. And Rosa wouldn't sound like an idiot, either.

But I guess that all of this is superfluous, if I can just turn voices off. =/

I'd like to just mention that both FFIV and Tactics 2 are on Gamestop's shelves and the resident mook said it would be released in July (So, the US)

So, get those Preorders going if you're inclined to so do. I probably will after picking up Ninja Gaiden II, or next paycheck, whichever comes first.

Don't worry Hachifusa, I know what you're saying and I agree with you. I just didn't bother to make a big deal out of it because I had already read previously I could just turn the VA off anyway.

I rarely have a problem with English Voice Acting, but this is definitely outright terrible. Talking Tales of Eternia (Destiny 2) on the Psone terrible; aka, they took homeless people off the street and paid them with the garbage behind a restaurant terrible.

Why couldn't we have, oh, Crispin Freeman + Cam Clarke?

I'm going to take a wild guess and assume this is what you think they SHOULD sound like. Because, like, to be able to bitch about what a person sounds like you had to have had a real-world basis for it right?

YouTube Video

No, Mo0. Stop being silly.

Knights and wizards should look and sound like teenage rock stars! So we can relate to them.

Good lord, that would've been insane. Either one of those voicing either of the characters could've worked out very well.

Well, now we have to wait to find out what the other characters sound like. I'm really interested in hearing Cid's voice.

What the fuck are you saying? PSOne voice acting was awesome.

COME 'EEEEEEEEEEERE, BARNEY!!!

I read these comments (catching up on the thread amid its recent activity) and was expecting atrocious acting.

Y'know, for someone who is a big advocate of leaving the audio-tracks "as-is" (Japanese voice track, no dubbing), the voice acting isn't that bad. Still, I don't like how they are trying to tweak it toward a forced, older English speaking manner.

Oh well. Even if there are some horrid voice actors that haven't been unveiled, there's always the undub. The Jap voice track hit all the right spots, and it sounds like they were trying to match that to the best of their ability (ie: a very, very deep-voiced Kain).

Either way, I don't see what all the ruckus is about. I was afraid they'd grab the same dudes who voice act for almost every fuckin' RPG nowadays. If the voice acting in this bugs you, clearly you haven't seen early PS1 voice actors. Ohh, good lord... :psyduck:

No, knights and wizards should sound like normal people. In Japan they happen to be voiced by forty-year-old rock stars that appeal to teenagers. That's because that's the demographic. In America the demographic they seem to be aiming for is 28-year-old obese nerd who lives in parents' basement.

Stop being silly.

There are, really, not enough facepalms in the world.

Here, I'll try this one more time.

They're not normal people.

Because they are knights and wizards.

That is the whole point of an RPG.

(Playing characters which are not like yourself)

(Characters which are not normal)

That's what the "RP" part means.

Roleplaying by definition requires you to relate to people unlike yourself.

Do you think that Cecil, a Paladin who travels to the Moon, does not sound like a normal person?

Do you think this may be an intentional decision?

But really this argument is pointless because I'm speaking from a position based upon acting, storytelling, and game design

And you're speaking from a position of "LET'S DO WHAT JAPAN DOES"

You know, my only problem with the voiceover is that they're pronouncing Cecil's name wrong.



IT'S NOT A FUCKING OPEN E, DAMMIT. IT'S A LONG I.

Christ, Pangalin. Do you do this banal little list thing in the real world or do you reserve it for people on here?

I UNDERSTAND that wizards and warlocks and dragons and whatever-the-fuck aren't REAL. I EVEN understand that it's an INTENTIONAL DECISION. I'm saying it's a BAD one. I don't say that these characters should sound like that stoner kid down the street. MY ONLY POINT is that since the main people buying this game will probably be people in their twenties that they should RESTRAIN themselves from indulging in CHILDISH decisions.

Clearly, I am NOT saying that we should make them sound like Japan. That is what they're doing and it sucks. I'm saying that rather than copy Japan we should do it the way we would here.

But really this is pointless because I'm speaking from the position that we're talking about what will most acutely stress the story/game for the player.

And you're just being bitchy.

Did you just call me banal in the middle of an argument where you were discussing how a video game remake's voices are incorrect

=( i was hoping you'd miss that.

I don't know about you, but I'd only consider getting that game for the nostalgia value. Weren't most of us children when that game first came out?
And you're being stupid.

Incidentally, there were no voices in the original, so I find no sufficient reason why they can't change the voices to a more subdued tone and keep the nostalgic parts (i.e. battle system) in check.
lol, Mo0! lol, indeed!

Because subdued voices would be boring.




Unless everyone was a stoner.




That would be funny.

You completely missed my point. The fact is, most of us were under 18 when we played that game originally. When we were that age, a lot of us could care less if the voices in, say, a movie (for lack of voice acting in games yet) was hammy. That was how all of our fantasies went in our head, with super macho voices! Why should they make the voices any different when they remake the game and add voices? Frankly, I'd rather see them put forth the effort to add voices to the game instead of just source porting and sprucing up the graphics of the game. Final Fantasy III was a much better game when they released it for DS due to the adjustments they made.

I'm going to hate the voice acting unless it sounds exactly like the voices I imagined for them. Stupid Square Enix, read my mind and get it RIGHHHTTTTTT

Seriously, guys. The voice acting isn't THAT bad. No need to be so SRS about it.

Speaking of which, is there a voice actor list available? I wanna see who voices who and all that for this game.

I looked, but IMDB doesn't even believe that FF IV exists.

It does, but there's a thread on the FF IV page's message board asking why no one's made a new one for the DS version with a VA listing. No actual information yet.

I guess that's what I meant. Shoulda been clearer.

SO! I figured out how to make Hachifusa happy!

SO! Hire voice actors that sound like "normal" people: people with 9-to-5 jobs.


SO! Ignore the fact that occasionally "normal" people actually have voices that would be perfect for a morally ambiguous Dragoon.


SO! Also hire a prostitute. For voiceover reasons. Because it would be perfect.



SO! For Edward.






SO!

Wow, that really helped, thanks!!

Just watched the English trailer. Why does Yuri Lowenthal voice like every single main RPG character? I'm guessing all these publishers contract the voice work to the same company and they just love giving Yuri the main parts every time. He's a good voice actor and all but I want a different voice actor that doesn't sound like Luke. ;_;

Because we have about 20 established VA in America for anime and video games, so you either get the same people over and over who are at least "acceptable" or you get no names who sound horrible and force you to turn the VA off or back to the Japanese track if it's available.

Johnny Bosch is another expert offender, and he's a good VA but does he have to be in every game? Yes, he does. At least until voice acting manages to pay better than slightly better than minimum wage here so more people are interested in doing it. :(

Rockstar don't seem to have any problems getting a variety of voice actors in, the y get several Hollywood A-Listers in fact.

Rockstar's games are more "realistic" or something. Or it's because Rockstar's more well known to the general populace (stick with me here), so it seems OK for someone who makes movies to voice someone in those games (in the genre of "steal shit, shoot shit, blow shit up") than it does in the "niche" genre of "Japanese-style console RPG" which could be "CAREER DEATH AND A HORRIBLE MOVE." I mean, come on. The last time big name people stuck their voices with the name "Final Fantasy" it bombed. (Sup Spirits Within)

That doesn't explain why companies don't hire from outside of the anime VA pool, cuz there's a lot more voice actors doing American cartoons. Rob Paulsen or, fuck, even Mark Hamill would be perfect for some of this stuff.

I think it comes down to, again, how much money they are willing to shell out. It's pretty obvious to me anyway that Rockstar is less bothered by spending more than a lot of other companies seem to be. In the case of smaller teams/companies this is totally understandable (not sure where NIS or Atlus USA would get the funds and such)-- in the case of a monolith like Square Enix I guess it just comes down to being frugal.

Well, it's not like they haven't gone outside the anime box before (hiring fucking BENDER for FFX? AWESOME). Why they don't STILL do it, I don't know.

Maybe they're just concentrating on their other Final Fantasy franchises instead of this one. *cough*FF7*cough*

We've only heard one known voice actor out of this game and there might be more big names in here we haven't heard of yet. It's not likely, but we can still hope.

Mark Hamill = Best damn Joker we'll ever hear.

So, uh, has no one else bought it. =/

Downloaded it on my Cyclo when the ROM was available. Haven't progressed too far, but I'm liking it so far.

I actually like the voice acting in here. o_o

I actually didn't mind the voice acting, but I prefer the original JP voices, so... I downloaded an Undub version for my Cyclo. Like Chaotic, I haven't really had a chance to play much yet, but I know I loved the original so I'll definitely get to it soon.

It's been good so far, however I can see why people bitched about me saying Chrono Trigger needed to have graphics like this...it wouldn't work.

The voice acting is great and I'm going to look up some names when I get a chance. Kain's voice sounds like the guy that did Yami Yugi.

It is definitely harder, mostly due to Cecil's darkness attack being reduced from a multi-target attack to a double damage attack on a single monster.

Pussy. Back in my day Cecil didn't even HAVE a Darkness attack.


</oldmanmode>

Really? I could've sworn he had it on the SNES version, but I never used it because it drained his health. Might be remembering the wrong game though.

After execution of the attack he would lose health. Some people probably didn't notice it because it would kill everyone to notice there was anything wrong with Cecil's health.

Hell, on the GBA version, I didn't know it drained health up until he went yellow into his health bar.

Additional Spam:
Well, hey there Wikipedia containing information about this game. If it wasn't already addressed in this thread before the game came out, this one is more based off the original Japanese Final Fantasy IV, not the Easytype stuff we were getting before.

Final Fantasy II is NOT Easytype.

And NO, he does NOT have Darkness in the SNES version:

From here

People getting the rereleases all confused with the first one that we got.

Well I never played the first release of Final Fantasy IV. Hell, I didn't even play a Final Fantasy until 1999.

The only previous Final Fantasy IV I've played is the PS1 version since it was part of Final Fantasy Chronicles along with Chrono Trigger. A friend of mine kept bugging me to play it and I eventually did. So to all of you people who played the SNES version dubbed Final Fantasy II, I'm sorry for the confusion. I got a darkness attack that hurt all enemies on the screen, you SNES people didn't.

However, it's been said that the SNES version here in the US was much easier while the PS1 version had the original difficulty. The speed demo of the SNES game helps prove that. The final boss didn't use his powerful attack nearly as much as he did in the PS1 version. I shudder to think what that's going to be like on the DS version, but I'm definitely looking forward to the challenge.

Well, yes. The US version IS easier, but it's still not Easytype. Also, the SNES people didn't even get a darkness attack.

I think I can understand this change, actually. The original game didn't allow for you to have that ability past when Cecil becomes a paladin. One of the augments is the Darkness ability, so it'd make sense that they'd change it so it was a little more balanced throughout the game, rather than just the early stages of it. The health loss would become not much of a cost compared to the easy and MP-free damage you'd get on large groups.

Argh I'm pissed off. I just read more about the augment system and learned that I completely screwed myself from getting dual cast. Bah~ Oh well, that skill is for pussies anyways.

I was thinking that I shouldn't use any of them on the party members that I knew wouldn't be coming back. BIG MISTAKE

Just got the game last night. Based on what Miles just said, I read about augments. So you have to min/max augment allocation through three playthroughs to get them all? :(

Also, I just got Rydia, and usually I kill off Cecil at that point and have her basically nuke the rest of the game, because she can, because she's awesome. A big part of that is tents, because they don't revive fallen party members, except that now they do. :(:(:(

I will say that being able to customize your battle menu like you can is pretty awesome (ie. replace "attack" with "rod", and the fact that auto-battle spells defaults to target-all is pretty sweet too. I'm liking that implementation so far.

Oh my god this game is mean. I was climbing the tower of Zot when I ran into a battle ambushed by one of those ice beast creatures along with a few other enemies. The beast did that frost breath move to my party and destroyed them, thus wasting about a half hour of leveling and exploring. Just one frost breath pretty much kills everyone at full health except Cecil (and puts him in a critical state for the other enemies to quickly finish off). This shit reminds me of the SMT series.

Wow, it gets that evil later on? Now I'm really looking forward to getting into the meat of the game. I'm about to head into Tellah's cave and already I can feel a little spike in difficulty. For the first time I'm actually concerned about my item stock.

When I bought this I honestly wasn't sure if I'd end up kicking myself for buying the same game for the third time, but so far I've loved it. The graphics really boosted it more than I thought, especially little touches like the cute way child Rydia looks up at Cecil in the shop menu.

My only real complaint is Namingway's removal. I actually restarted my game the first time because I thought I'd accidentally cancelled out of his name menu. It's really not hard to just skip saying the names in the voice acted lines like most RPGs do it.

Why am I not playing this game as much as I should?! I guess playing the SNES, PSOne, GBA, and not to mention the JPN DS version too many times will do this to me. (been spending too much time "playing" Band Brothers DX too) ;_;

But yeah the DS version is a REAL challenge and I find myself always thinking/preparing in advance everytime even though I know what's coming up. Music arrangement like Mt. Ordeals still annoys me and to be quite honest the English voice acting isn't bad at all (well I'm not far into the game so my opinion might change, though I doubt I'll be switching to the "undub" patch because of it).

Yeah, but all of your characters not being referred to by name would be a little difficult.

I kind of like how they made Namingway so damn interesting in this release, actually.

I finally got around to getting a DS and getting this game. So far I like it, but playing it made me realize that this game really wouldn't come off as a good game to someone who hasn't played the original. The original version is far better and the DS version is only great in that you get to see the game you have always loved get a decent graphic and sound treatment.

What made the original game "far better," and which version of the original are you talking about? I'm curious to see what criteria's being applied here. Was the writing better in the original? Is it too hard now, so that the original's difficulty fit better with the game? Were the 2D sprites better executed than the 3D models?

Obviously it's not any of those things. It was merely "far better" duh.

Knighthawk, if you meant that the game, standing on its own merits, is not of the same caliber as modern RPGs (or games in general) and that a major factor of the enjoyment comes from the fact that it's a remake, then we all agree (most likely). But using a more objective means of criteria, I fail to see how the original (Super Famicom/SNES) release was "far better". It might have made more of an impact back in 1992, but it's not better than the DS game.

But anyway, this game's difficulty is not as riveting as I had originally thought it would be. I'm around level 30 and fighting the Dark Elf and I find the battle very, very difficult. Does anyone else feel that the increased difficulty was not implemented correctly? The game's progression no longer "flows" really smoothly. These random difficulty spikes are pretty annoying.

Oh my god dude, the difficulty is insane. (At least I feel so) I was used to power leveling around Eblan after getting access to the Airship (if not power leveling, going after the Slumber Sword) and I made the mistake to fight one of the flame beasts. Granted the Analyze feature showed it 10 levels higher than me (I was 30-ish) but one Blaze attack and Tellah and Cid were practically gone, another one and it was the Game Over screen. Had the same problem with Tower of Zot and the Ice beasts. I just cleared that last night after getting level 40 with just about everyone only to see that Rosa was left at 26... so the Barbariccia fight sucked big nuts.

My friend was telling me that he was level 75 and getting his ass handed to him on the Lunar surface...

Don't get me wrong, I'm loving this game and it's a challenge, but jeebus. I'd hate to see the difficulty on the remake of 6 (if there is one), so no you're not the only one to feel the wrath of the difficulty.

I need to spend more time on this game. The difficulty is insane, I can't get past the fake king boss. Either that, or I just suck.

I like the difficulty switch. Mostly because it feels more like Dragon Quest in which you're forced to fight strategically, rather than level up to a certain point and just start breathing on opponents with your strongest attacks... Unfortunately, however, now the tedium lies in the fact that you could very well be implementing that same strategy on multiple random encounters in an area, and I just don't find that too terribly exciting either. The balance in these things is a difficult endeavor, I'll say that much.