The Military.
 

I know we have some men and possibly women here at GFF serving in the Armed Forces.

So what I want to know is...

What country you are currently serving for, what particular branch, and MOS/Rating (your job). Have you ever seen action or deployment into a hostile area? So far what has the experience been like for you?

I recently re-enlisted into the United States Naval Reserve as an RP. There is an extremely high chance I will see duty in Iraq or Afghanistan and should we engage in a war with Iran, I will probably be deployed there as well.

I'm enlisted with the United States Marine Corps but I'm not technically a Marine yet I'm in the Delayed Entry Program and I probably won't be sent to bootcamp until around September or October. I can't wait until I get to go I've been waiting my whole life for this. This may sound kinda weird but I really wanna go to Iraq and kick some insurgent ass it'll sure beat the hell outta going to College.

Hey pie, that's pretty awesome. When I graduate next year, I'm enlisting too. Are you headed for Parris Island or San Diego?

I'm going to Parris Island I'll see ya on the other side. Semper Fi brotha.

Oohrah! I'll be there next year or so.

Also, this is an interesting read about the military. They're lowering their standards to accomodate the weaksauce of a youth we have today. It's interesting because a lot of teenagers think they'll screw around in school and just join the military after graduating. Unfortunately, the military is specifically weeding those people out.
http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/news/sto...23.htm&sc=1152

Kinda, Im currently in ROTC...im not sure if i want a comission though, if i accept one, i will be a 2nd lieutenant in 3 years though...but my ROTC isnt the same as other ROTC, its exactly like an Academy, but...not an acadamy... if that makes anysince. Here is a picture from our first marching compition, we got first place out of the 32 oufiits!...im in there...some where....i wonder how many ags will see this XD
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...m/IMG_1244.jpg

Fight for Canada, woo.

Part of the army, infantry, under Private II rank and pay (hehe). It's been about a year and a little over a half now I think.

I haven't really seen action other than through excersizes, I always want to take pictures when I go, but it never seems like I have time to, always busy and stuff, and it feels awkward =/.

Anywho, being part of the reserve force gives me a lot of time to work with a nother job. Only have to work one day a week part time, and one full weekend a month for an excersize. Once in awhile we have some really big excersizes that last like 10days too.

Hey kids, nobody likes wannabe Marines.

I'm getting a Scholarship to go through Air Force ROTC. Should be good, I plan on flying, as pretty much everyone who joins the Air Force (and is smart enough to realize that only officers fly) wants to.

Be nice stealth. Don't want to scare the kiddies off from the military.

I'd love to fly as well... Just go the whole 6'2" thing and 20/400 vision going against me :/

Hmmm well I guess that's not such a terrible thing since the conduct of the US military is supposedly directly correlated to the values and standards of the U.S as a nation. Like my recruiter Sgt. Marquez said "The reason we have weight restrictions is because we don't want some fat shit Marine guarding an embassy and some fucking German or something walking over and being like HEY!! WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT?!?!"

Well Man_of_Pie if you can make the cut for the Marines, all the more power to you.

Well I wouldn't be in the DEP if I didn't make the cut.

The DEP isn't shit. So don't think because you are a DEP that you will make it through training. My suggestion is that you get yourself into shape. Exceed their physical requirements before you go there so you can focus on the training, not how bad the smokings are.

Hah. A few words by airplanes can't deter my resolve.

I respect your opinion but I feel I already got what it takes to get through Bootcamp. I hate to toot my own horn but I do half marathons 13.1 miles so running is no problem for me, I go to the gym and pump some iron whenever I can and on top of that I do Judo/Jiu Jitsu and Karate training. So my goal is to basically go to Bootcamp and prove to myself and everyone else that I'm the best there was and ever will be and then go out and kill some insurgents.

Hey Greykin, what rifle do they issue you guys?

As soon as I'm done with college it's straight into the US Airforce for me. I want to fly something/anything. And if I don't get to fly, I hope I'll get to do something fun with electronics/computers. On a side note: I intend to find out if the USAF really has a Stargate program....:biggrin:

If you are that fit, make sure you can do 70-100 pushups, 100-150 situps, and a 3 mile run in 30 minutes. I believe the Marines also test you on pull ups.

You have no idea what it is like over there do you? Geez kid. Either way, best of luck to you. Maybe one of these days we will serve together.

Double Post:
Pilots, tough gig. I take it you are short?

I can do 70 good pushups, at least 100 situps, I have ran a 3.7 mile cross country course in 26 minutes, and I can do 13 pull-ups (Sorry for lack of parallel structure). Of course, by next year, those numbers are going to increase.

Thanks I'll look forward to serving alongside you.

Right now C7A1's, which is basically the M16A2..... or A3, whichever has the weaver rail.

The A3 does. I wasn't impressed with the M-16A2 that I've used in the past... the rifle just doesn't have the same sturdy feel to it that the old M-14s had.

Those aren't to shabby. I'd know what the requirements for the pull-ups are, so you might want to look into that :P Make sure you have some fun in training. There will be a lot of hard asses/dipshits there.

Just so you know, at my brother's graduation, they did a 4 mile run in 20 minutes. Pretty much in front of our eyes.

Also, half of boot camp is physical, the other half is mental. Going in with a pissy ass arrogant attitude is a sure way to get your DIs pissed at you and the rest of your platoon. The DI's job is to break you down both mentally and physically. Arrogant people have a harder fall when they fail.

I'm sure you two will make good Marines some day, don't get me wrong, but you aren't Marines just yet.

Hey, good luck to you. I can't imagine OTS will be incredibly tough for the AF.

Quoted for truth.

Hey Stealth, what branch is your brother in?

He's in the Marines.

Some how I expected that. I will have to meet Marine standards as well for my CREST training.

But I have at least 8 months to get myself into shape, it is going to be tough but I know I can do it.

This thread is so full of testosterone I'm starting to grow hair on my chest just reading it.

This probably doesn't count, but I'm a military wife. My husband is a Major in the Army and has been deployed to Fort Jackson, SC for almost two years now...training up those kiddies to ship 'em off to Iraq.

Best of luck to all of you, and thanks. =)

I'm around 6 feet actually. Anyone know the max height? If I can't fly real planes, it'd still be a kick to fly predator UAVs.

Thanks man, even though I have a few more years of college to power through first. Grrrr.... I can't imagine OTS would be hard either...but...who knows. All the guys I've talked with went in as enlisted men and not through OTS.

Is it just me, or are you always riding your husband's accomplishments?

Well, it will be harder than enlisted boot camp, that's a given. But it's also not saying much. We are talking about Air Force boot camp. ;)

Why on earth would you even say that? I'm very proud of him, but I don't "ride his accomplishments." Also, are you married? It's not easy being a military wife and I sort of consider it my patriotic duty that I've held down the fort while he's been gone. And by the way, it's not easy.

I don't drive around with one of those "Army Wife: Toughest Job In The Military" bumper stickers, but it really is a team effort. Asshole.

I don't see how my being married could make me see how tough it is being a military wife. And I don't mean to be offensive, but I've read more about your husband and what he does than anything about you.

But on a more serious note. I've heard stories about guys that go off to Iraq only to have their wives or girlfriends cheat on em or something. It takes a special kinda woman to stay with your man through that kind of thing.

What you said was very offensive. You'd better get on your knees beside your Thomas the Tank Engine bunk beds right now and pray to God that your future wife never finds out you said that. Listen, I'm not under any delusions that I have it tougher than he does, but fuck you if you think that raising three kids (basically) by yourself, two of them being teenagers, isn't hard. He's been away from home more than he's been at home over the last ten years that we've been married, and IT IS HARD.

And maybe the reason you've heard more about my husband than you have about me is because I'm prouder of him than I am of myself.

Did I say raising kids was not tough, because I don't recall that. Maybe if you'd stop raging for a minute. And quite frankly, I have more important issues to worry about than what my future wife might think about something I said in my past.

But to get back on topic, I'll just stop.

I'll be damned...I just had to google it when I read it:
http://i.walmart.com/i/p/00/05/07/43...AV_500X500.jpg

On a serious note: It does take a special kind of woman to stay with a man who is not always there. Alice, I'd like to thank you for being that kind of a woman.

May I interject here? I've never been a military wife, but I do live in a very big military city, and yes, it is hard on the wife as well as the husband that is in the military. (Hi Alice!)

For those of you who are already in the military or are planning on going in, I commend you. :)

I'm currently serving the US Airforce. My job is in telecommunication/satellite and maintaining electronic equipment, mostly the fun stuff.
I haven't been in any hostile action yet (just 5 years worth of training, so I'm not complaining), but I will be ready when it happens.
What's it like? Well in my profession you don't get to fly jets, we ride in C-130's instead =p. Seeing as that my unit resides in hawaii we use them a lot. But my work environment can be either hectic or laid back* as the purpose of my job is to transmit data and maintain that equipment.

* Oh and when I say laid back I mean sticking my nose in 1000 page service manuals, I think my unit calls them TO's (technical ordinances.) Other services might know them better as TM's or technical manuals. If you use equipment, especially the expensive toys TO/TM's quickly become your favorite book.

Kairyu ~ I edit TO's for a living and I see C-130's every day at the base in my city. We call them technical manuals because we do them for Honeywell, who in turn is doing them for Boeing.

Ever heard of the 5th Mob? Big communications group here at RAFB.

I'm usually not good with names, its a wonder I can remember the hundreds of acronyms in need to know.
Anyway, did you mean the 5th Combat Communications Group in Robin's Airforce Base? If so, I was there for a few a weeks after 9 months of tech schooling :). It was for going through their MOPP school, which is basically a fun version of basic training.

Imagine having to defend a base (with 15 or so other people of various rank) on your own for 3 days, against your instructors. We got to use smoke bombs, M16's with blanks, and nightvision equipment. Oh yeah, you can be taken prisoner. That is if you're crazy enough to ignore orders and play rambo against ex-marines.
On the first day it really did look like we were playing a real life version of Call of Duty.

I've been reading up on it via the web and haven't found a detailed enough explanation. So if any of you military blokes know, could you explain to me exactly HOW super-cruise improves efficiency and negates the need for after burners on the F-22? I know that's totally off-topic but I have a special interest in jets.

I believe the reason to use super-cruising is to reduce heat exhaustion. Large heat signatures while afterburning was a problem with fighter jets. So to improve the f-22's stealth capability was to use super-cruising. There is one disadvantage I believe, and that using it too much can damage the engine or literally melting the exhaust fins.

I'm sure there was more to it, I'm just remembering stuff off the top of my head.

When my friend enlisted in the army, he went straight to boot camp for 6 weeks or so. He got like a month break and then he was shipped off to Iraq. He's a tank driver now. He does like patrols in Baghdad which sucks with all the recent activities going on. I hope he is well.

My Dad, my granddad, and my great grandad have all served in the military. My grandad did every jump in WW2, and my dad was a marine for a large majority of his youth, till he met my mom.

My dad, whos the hardest working man ive ever met, said the marines taught him to never do a job half way. My dad is also the most physically fit man ive ever met. Im not talking about being a meat head, im talking about endurance and physique. Hes in his late 40's and lifts, boxes, and does cardio almost every day after work. He attributes this all to the things he learned while in the marines.

Ive always held those who serve our country in the highest regard. Ive even considered joining myself many times, but my dad and mom always insisted I go to college. It still never hurts to show respect though.

Im not saying that everybody who joins is a hero, but it still takes a certain person to get the job done.

i live in a Super high-density military area: Southeast VA. it's home to the largest Naval base in the world.

I salute and thank all the men and women who are serving oversees and in the states! they sacrifice themselves to make America the best country in the world.

Wow looks like there was some bickering during my absence. Anyway…

I thank everyone for their support of those who serve the military.

Alice, I thank you for your sacrifice in support of your husband’s career. I am getting married in 4 months so I can understand what it is like to be away from loved ones for long periods of time.

Kairyu: I have a friend going into the Airforce for the same thing you are doing right now. I think he has some misconceptions as to what it is you guys do :/

Ouch, like what kind of misconceptions? I'm sure their recruiter explained it fairly clearly >_>. Heck my recruiter almost talked me out of it when she kept mentioning how much physical labor was involved (she wasn't kidding, but I do enjoy it anyhow.)
But my job isn't the most glamorous. Half the time I'm in a small box configuring modems and transmitters.

Finnish defence (hah) forces. Army is compulsory here for men, by the way. Served 9 months, which I was assigned to. I toured around Europe doing secret undercover missions in Italy, France, Russia and Estonia doing these very secret operations called Military Tattoos. They're so secret even I don't know what the hell we were doing there.

Now I am happily in reserve troops that get promptly into the battlefield if one comes. Only I'll be doing those secret missions again, this time in home soil, though. My reserve rank is the local corporal, which roughly equals a commended private in the US.

I hate the army system.

So your like an E-2 or E-3 in the American military system. Sounds like you don't like it too much.


Kairyu: My buddy seems to think this is a real layed back job were he can fuck around most of the time/drink on the job :/

Have you considered being an Officer once you get out of college? O-1 pay is better than E-6 pay.

Im always running the idea through my head, but Im not sure how things are gonna work after college. Ive got too much going on right now.

I'm in the USAF. After being in for 10 months, I finally get to go to my first duty station. I'll be going to Nellis AFB, though I'll be assigned to the 11th recon squadron, which is at Creech AFB. (They're real close to Las Vegas). I'm an E-3 Imagery Analyst. That means that I look at the take from the spy drones, satellites, recon flights, and whatnot and count tanks. I'm going to be going to another 3 month long school as soon as I get to Creech though. I'll be trained as a sensor operator for the Predator UAV. This means I'll sit next to the pilot and operate the camera on the thing, and point the laser at any targets we launch the missiles at. The squadron I'll most likely be assigned to after I finish the training deploys 3-4 months of the year to Iraq or Afghanistan.

Hoorah Intel.

Was particularly interesting hearing several people mention Robins AFB, and in particular the 5th Combat Comm Group, especially since I'm at said base and part of said unit. I personally help maintain a deployable airfield systems package which keeps aircraft from smashing into each other and lands them safely even when visibility is poor at bare-base locations. We're preparing to do another practice deployment next week, in fact, which is pretty much our mission until we deploy again... train, train, and train some more.

Har har har fun stuff, did you ever find out when you are leaving for your schooling or did you get your flight physical yet?

Hey Parn how long have you been in the service?

Well I think that depends more on who his supervisor is rather than the job he applied for ;).
But compared to the Army's workcenter I would almost say my place is laid back, but I wouldn't go as far and say you can drink while on the job. I never heard of anyone doing that =/.

Ok so it is sort of what he has heard. Care to give any inside information that I could pass on to him in his decision in joining the Airforce?

I don't know where he gets his information from, but since I just finished a 14 hour day with lot more of those on the way after this weekend, I can safely say that the Air Force isn't all fun and games. And it shouldn't be, either.

To answer your earlier question, been in for three years. I enjoy it. PT five times a week and standard military duty hours for me at Robins AFB. Most people here in the 5th CCG cry and whine about PT all the time, especially over the rucksack march, but I think they're lazy pussies. A rucksack march is a walk in the woods. There's some serious irony when you have people in a Combat Communications Group having trouble carrying a 50 pound rucksack. My opinion is that if you can't handle PT, get the fuck out of the military.

I always have too much work and not enough time to do it, which I find to be a good thing since I prefer to stay busy. I practically don't have a supervisor though, since I'm one of the most knowledgable individuals on the equipment. All the sergeants just let me do my thing and never have to ask/tell me to get to work, and knowing that I have that kind of respect is a good feeling.

Unfortunately, they're aiming to cut a lot of people out of the Air Force, and my career field is one of the ones that's having major cuts. Cross training isn't looking all that swell either, so it's looking like I'll have to seperate. Considering the blue-to-green program at this point, and perhaps put my skills to use in the Army. I know I'd make rank faster in the Army at least... we'll see.

Yeah if you don't mind the PT then the Army wouldn't be that much different... I believe you'd have to go to some small basic training for the Army but it is only like 2-3 weeks, nothing compared to the real deal.

Why would they be cutting you if they think you are so knowledgable? :/ seems counter productive, you'd think they would want to keep the hard workers.

BTW we had people bitching about a 30lb ruck on the 3k, 5k, and 8k forced marches in the Army. People just like to bitch, as long as they do it leave 'em be.

The cuts are the result of choices made by the officers much further up the chain. The farther up the chain you go, the more politics that are involved. There are a few major things wrong with the way things are currently handled in the Air Force, and I've made my point of view clear each year when they have you fill out those useless climate assessment surveys, but nothing's ever happened.

One of my biggest pet peeves is the EPR system. Airmen are graded on a scale of 1 to 5 on various aspects, and just about everyone gets all 5's, which is lame. Also, entries regarding what individuals have done are put on the EPRs and are extremely vague, which I hate a great deal. For example, I could work my ass off for countless hours helping with equipment setup while another co-worker could pass a tool or two, then sit on his ass all day, yet both of us could have this same bullet on our EPR:

"Assisted in ASR setup, providing air traffic control for an entire air base wing"

And he could justify having said bullet because he passed some tools, and technically, that IS assisting with the setup of the equipment. It's sleezy as fuck though, and it continues to happen all over the Air Force. With EPR bullets emphasized to be vague, this kind of crap will never stop.

The end result is that you have lazy fucks getting the same EPR ratings as the hard workers. The Air Force has to make personnel cuts, so that issue combined with the inability to filter out the lazy garbage from the actual workers who earn their pay, results in valuable personnel being cut.

Insightful. I think some of these problems are common to all of the branches. The Army has its fair share of shitbags and worthless bums but usually at some point they get found out and stuck on shit duties or smoked... either way it is nice to see some punishment inflicted on them.

I'm home on RAP right now, I'll be checking in to Nellis on the 27th. I SHOULD be in the April 10th class. emphasis on the SHOULD.

Hurry up and wait? Anyone? Really that is one thing that always really bothered me about the military, the inability to keep deadlines.

Project X: Managed some leave I can see, any idea how often you will be getting that?

I get 30 days of leave a year, how often I can use them, I don't know. I have the RIGHT to 30 days of leave a year. USING them is a privledge. =)
>.<

It's the same with Army OERs. Over time, the ratings system has become warped beyond belief. Now, if an officer gets unlucky enough to have some old school rater when it comes time for OERs and he receives an accurate, honest score (like a 4, for example) on something as opposed to the blantant lies that most raters are handing out by giving all fives, his career is basically over.

Summary of branches:
Airforce: Part of their pft or pfa or whatever the fuck they call it is your waist size... nuff said. Oh and their bootcamp is 6(7?) weeks long... hey let's be cool and say we are hard.
Navy: Too many jokes are possible... so we'll go with: When I was on a frigate based out of Norfolk, I saw a navy chief that was fatter than my grandmother... and she weighs about 350 pounds.
Army: Tons of money, tons of weapons, lacking in lower intestinal fortitude with a slight pinch of "WE'RE THE ARMY" syndrome... Oh and the Rangers aren't hard, they are the <u>exact same thing</u> as the Marine Corps with the exception of the title...
USMC: Stupid, ugly, lethal. Best looking uniforms. Least amount of money, weapons, equipment and full of bitching... and most professional when push comes to shove. No one joins USMC reserves with no expectations of going to war like *cough* the army *cough*.

If you want to be hard, don't pretend to be. If you want some advice before you go to bootcamp, just remember that the worst part is the fuck fuck games and as soon as someone takes charge and leads the rest of the douches and gets some order, they'll fuck up less and you'll push less, unless of course you like the quarterdeck in which case by all means be a sheep and follow.

Oh and don't lock your knees out... and stay hydrated... unless you prefer the silver bullet...

Oh and someone said earlier that they watched the boot grads run 4 miles in 20 minutes... physically impossible. There isn't a boot class <u>on this planet</u> that could run 4 miles in 30 minutes, let alone 20. Just b/c some of em managed to weasel their way through boot, doesn't mean they arent still fat nasties.

Oh and Parn, are you sure you arent a Marine in a chair-nazi's body? You should go through the real blue-green program instead of the blue-[tan] program. If you keep up the bitching about the branch you'll win a medal in the chairforce... and offered a beer in the Corps.

ROLF!!!

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Sure, why not, with the exception of two groups you overlooked. SEALs and Delta. They're two of the world's finest special operations groups, I'm pretty sure both of them cross-train with the SAS. Even though these two outfits are not very large parts of the branches, you can't just make sweeping generalizations like that. I interpret what you said as basically "EVERYONE BUT THE MARINE CORPS IS A BUNCH OF PUSSIES HOO-AH GET SOME."

Marines are cocky because they usually can back up their talk with action. You almost sound like you took his comments personally, heh...

As far as Air Force PT goes since it was brought up, it's a cakewalk. I listen to people bitch and moan about it regularly, and half of the complaints are in regards to the waist measurements being unfair or whatever. 99.9% of the time, these comments are from fat, lazy individuals who make every effort to get out of PT if they can manage it, and regularly down a Big Mac with a side of Diet Coke. 30% of your score is waist measurement. 10% is push-ups, 10% is sit-ups, 50% is your run. I don't know what moron came up with this PT test scoring method, but I'm sure he went to college for four years. I've seen lazy scrawny fucks who make a regular diet out of Little Debbie score higher than a few others who are built like tanks but lose points for not having a super thin waist.

Personally, I missed a perfect score on the test by 9 seconds, running a 9:45 1.5 mile run, which ticks me off since I had tested on a day where it was below freezing two months ago. Felt like needles being jabbed into my lungs, that sucked... if I had run on a day with reasonable weather, I'd have made better time. 57 push-ups and 59 crunches in 60 seconds, respectively. Yeah, I'm tooting my own horn here... but hey. The Air Force gets referred to as the Chair Force for a reason... there's a lot of lazy fucks in it. I pride myself in not being one of them.

Ok, Harmonica, this is the part where I call you out. You is stupid. Yes, I'm perfectly aware of the SeALs, Delta Force, all the EODs, Green Berets, Force Recon, Commandos, etc the list goes on. Did I mention any of those in there? Nope. I'm perfectly aware of the shit they go through. Now what I was trying to point out before you ass-u-me-d is that the branches in general exhibit these characteristics.

Also don't be a jackass and use the wrong chant if you don't know what it is. The _army_ says Hooah. The Corps says Oorah. Before you make fun of someone, do it right.

And Parn, while I don't really respect your branch or your judgement in choosing braches (hah sorry had to), you seem like at least a semi-intelligent coffee champ.

And yes, Chairforce pt is a cakewalk. I had a roomate in the Airforce and they actually played duck duck goose for PT to build AWARENESS... Yea... all respect for Airforce = dead after that.

Oh and while we're bein thugs, I'll drop down my pt scores ha: 1.5 mile 8:47 - 2 mile: 12:20 - 3 mile: 18:47 - 1 min push: 70 - 2 min push: 105 - pullups: 15 (and yes, elbows fully locked out - 1 didn't count) - 1 minute crunches: 98 - 2 min crunches: 167 - army curlups (2 min): 89.

And yes I have taken every branch's pft. Don't ask why b/c it is way too long of a story.

Not old enough to enlist yet but I'm in Air Cadet right now.

I'm turning 17 in a couple months so I'll submit my application for the Air Force in the near future.
I don't know why I want to enlist - no particular reason besides wanting to be a pilot. And I guess the military is a different path from what asian parents want their kids (especially - short,wimpy looking girls like me) to do (ex. lawyer, engineer, doctor type career) I was surprised they actually said yes.

Shinimegami: You do know that you need to be an office to be a pilot, right?

Hey tweeter, wanna tell everyone where the saying "Jar Head" originally came from?

Harmonica: What are you so butt hurt about? I thought his post was funny. Are you a part of one of those branches he was making fun of? My guess is Army. Am I right?

Sure why not champ, since I know you are expecting me to answer this wrong.

Jarhead does NOT come from their haircuts like everyone thinks (with their high and tights, it appears to be a jar with only coloring, hair if you will, on top and clear, stubble if you will, on the sides.

HOWEVER, the real reason they are called jarheads is because of WW2. Now I'm sure plenty of you are going: NUH UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH NEENER NEENER NEENER THAT'S WHERE THEY GOT DEVIL DOG CAME FROM!... Ya... you'd be wrong again, that was from Bella Wood (sp?) in WW1 when the Marines showed up and raised absolute Hell and the Germans basically shit themselves and called them Teufelshunde which basically means "Devil Dog".

BACK TO MY MAIN POINT: Jarheads are called Jarheads because they were remarked by other branches (foreign and domestic) to fight with some unparalleled proffesionalism that they more or less put their emotions in a jar and didn't let them out.

And in case anyone else was wondering, Oorah also came from WW2. The Raider's battalions were stationed on submarines (not all obviously) and when a submarine dives, it makes a very loud AAAARRRROOOOOOGGGGGAAAAA noise. The Marines, being natural assholes of course, thought this was funny and would make fun of it by responding to commands and such by saying arooga which later evolved into oorah.

Oorah is NOT a derivative of a Turkish word for "kill" despite popular belief.

Wanna test me a little more champ?

edit: fixed my grammar b/c damn it sucked.

lol I didn't think you would get it wrong. However there is more than one "right" answer to that question.

Have you been deployed or seen action yet?

Who said I was in any service?

And there really isn't more than one right. The answer you asked for was where it came from. A description of someone doesn't usually come from several different sources but from one and is later rumored to be from others, as is the case in question...

My bad, I assumed since you have PT'd with the services that you were in one of them.

There is a reason why people still argue about the source of Jarhead. It did not however come from other countries, Marines got that name from the Navy.

Donkeys? Here is another one... I found a couple others, one involving the leather collars of the old uniforms, "leather neck". I've heard another from an old Navy vet who said that it came from the fact that the marines used to be the people who had to take the admirals piss jar out and throw it overboard. Then again most people believe it comes from the lost of the Marines. As for your explanation, I can not find any support for it. I'd love to see any sources you have for it.

I never heard about jarhead that way. I hear Marines got it because some jar company during WWII began making helmets to support the war effort.

Also, I hear leathernecks came from the strip of leather Marines wore in the 1800's to prevent blades from getting into their jugulars.

Well, one of the many problems of the internet is you can't really tell people's intents. The guy seemed arrogant to me. I'm not a part of the Army, but I do have a lot of respect for anyone that serves their country, and disparaging other branches seems sort of disrespectful.

Naw don't worry about it, all the different branches give each other shit. That is the way it has always been but the fact is when we all meet out on the battlefield we work together like brothers. I thought what he said was funny, I see this shit all the time. Don't take it seriously, this from someone who is a member of the Armed Forces ;)

Gumby's right. My brother talks shit about the Army ALL the damn time, and I can't tell you how many jokes are targetted towards the Air Force. It's all in good fun though.

The Marines send their Imagery Analysts through the Air Force's course, so I got to go through my tech school with all but one of the NCO's being Marine Sgts and a PFC-turned-LCpl. That was a rather.....enlightening...and interesting, experience. At times I wished I would have talked more with the marine recruiter rather than the Air Force one. THEY, at least, can follow a simple fucking order.

Though from what I hear, new Marines are being less and less respectable, and lazier. Must be a fucked up generation.

First off I AM arrogant. But you can't be passive and expect to get your points across here.

Second off, what you hear is wrong. Marines are not any less respective.

And finally, I learned of the definition of jarhead through several classes of military history taught by Major Charles Preston (USMC), as well as Captain Trent Gibson (USMC) for those naysayers.

Maybe not all, but the ones at Twentynine Palms sure are dicks.

You also don't have you to arrogant to get your point across.

Sure you do. And the ones at 29 Palms probably just don't like you. If EVERYONE is a dick to you then it's probably a hint. And besides, how happy would you be (or are you) to be stationed in the MIDDLE OF THE DESERT for 3 years?

Ya, I win again.

I can see you're a very one dimensional person. And who ever said they were a dick to me?

umm didn't I just point out that the branches give each other shit for no other reason than they can?!?

Shit people, argue somewhere else over something so petty and common.

so much arguing going on here :boxing:

It's true. The Marines hate the Army and hate the Navy twice as much. They have acronyms such as FTA - fuck the army and FTN - fuck the navy and they throw it around everywhere. squid, zoomie, and a whole lot of other words to describe members in other services.

What is funny is that it is the Navy that pays their checks.