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Final Fantasy Phoneteen Dec 13, 2006 12:51 PM

Ivalice Alliance - Tactics (PSP), Revenant Wings (DS), Advance 2 (?)
 
Square-Enix has announced a new series of games to expand upon a previously established universe, not unlike the World of Mana and Compilation of Final Fantasy VII series. This time, it's the world of Ivalice which first appeared in Final Fantasy Tactics. The first title under this expansion is actually Revenant Wings, which has its own thread and is properly explained there.

The second of which is a port of Final Fantasy Tactics on the PSP, which will see various updates-- most important of which are two new Jobs being made available. Others include new movies and such.

Lastly, there is the (not-so-)mysterious "FFT A2". Which everyone and their mom suspects is Tactics Advance 2, so yeah.

Source

JazzFlight Dec 13, 2006 01:37 PM

Please Vagrant Story 2, please Vagrant Story 2, please Vagrant Story 2...

I really hope the world of Ivalice comes into its own. I want to see concrete connections between games. This could be a great spin-off world from the typical Final Fantasy "new world every time" system.

Taisai Dec 13, 2006 01:45 PM

Ogre & Ivalice games - Matsuno = mediocre stuff.

Andrew Evenstar Dec 13, 2006 02:23 PM

Oh my GOD FFTactis PORTABLE@!?#$!@#!# I will get a PSP for this game alone when it comes out.

Cirno Dec 13, 2006 03:20 PM

This will probably be the third PSP game I'll invest in (FFT), assuming it's ported over here. A portable FFT would be all kinds of win.

Are those updated cutscenes, by the way?

Kostaki Dec 13, 2006 04:12 PM

Continual "ports" of games to the PSP simply isn't the way to go about getting people interested in either the games or the system. If they add more than "two jobs" to the game, such as an expanded storyline (which it clearly excels in) then I might have something to be interested in.

Everything else sounds nice I guess, but the way they're releasing more low budget games like this is adding more fuel to the fire that they need money for FFXIII badly. I guess Dragon Quest IX is part of that now too.

Hindman Dec 13, 2006 04:31 PM

I am offended by the Jump Pirate heiling Hitler in that bottom-left blurb.

Matt Dec 13, 2006 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Kurado
Are those updated cutscenes, by the way?

They look like it.
Most of the story in the game was done with in-game sprites and pop-up text boxes.

Metal Sphere Dec 13, 2006 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by JazzFlight
Please Vagrant Story 2, please Vagrant Story 2, please Vagrant Story 2...

I really hope the world of Ivalice comes into its own. I want to see concrete connections between games. This could be a great spin-off world from the typical Final Fantasy "new world every time" system.

Exactly, I'm glad they finally picked the right world/series to expand. This is awesome news, especially the new things added to FFT. Hopefully there's more new stuff revealed as we get closer to its release date.

IMO, it would be nice if they have one game "series" take place in the FFT-era Ivalice and another around FFXII's time. Damn, this has got me saving for a PSP now. =(

Final Fantasy Phoneteen Dec 13, 2006 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Kostaki
Continual "ports" of games to the PSP simply isn't the way to go about getting people interested in either the games or the system. If they add more than "two jobs" to the game, such as an expanded storyline (which it clearly excels in) then I might have something to be interested in.

But... but it has a spiffy new logo.

One thing people might be able to get excited for is a new translation, as we all know the original was atrocious. They might even get the dude who did Vagrant Story's and (I think) XII's.

Metal Sphere Dec 13, 2006 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Generic Badass
But... but it has a spiffy new logo.

One thing people might be able to get excited for is a new translation, as we all know the original was atrocious. They might even get the dude who did Vagrant Story's and (I think) XII's.

Alexander O. Smith

That would be awesome, and even a slightly updated FFT port is better than nothing.

Inhert Dec 13, 2006 05:24 PM

port with extra can be fun, but now that the ps3 will offer ps1 emulation and even emulation on psp, I don't know if some new Cut-scene and 2 new job will be enough to buy it for 40$ or take the ps1 emulation for like 5$...

the other game seem good thought ^^

I read here (yes it's in french) that the new FFT will be name Final Fantasy Tactics : The Lion War (Shishi Sensô in jp) and they didn't said on which system it will be and then therw will be Final Fantasy tactic A2 Fûketsu no Grimoire, which they are suppose to give more detail in the nest few day, I think FFTA2 will likely be FFT advance 2 like someone said before.

I more interested in inal Fantasy Tactics : The Lion War which I think could be more like the original FFT then the GBA one

Metal Sphere Dec 13, 2006 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Inhert
port with extra can be fun, but now that the ps3 will offer ps1 emulation and even emulation on psp, I don't know if some new Cut-scene and 2 new job will be enough to buy it for 40$ or take the ps1 emulation for like 5$...

the other game seem good thought ^^

I read here (yes it's in french) that the new FFT will be name Final Fantasy Tactics : The Lion War (Shishi Sensô in jp) and they didn't said on which system it will be and then therw will be Final Fantasy tactic A2 Fûketsu no Grimoire, which they are suppose to give more detail in the nest few day, I think FFTA2 will likely be FFT advance 2 like someone said before.

I more interested in inal Fantasy Tactics : The Lion War which I think could be more like the original FFT then the GBA one

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Square-Enix has announced a new series of games to expand upon a previously established universe, not unlike the World of Mana and Compilation of Final Fantasy VII series. This time, it's the world of Ivalice which first appeared in Final Fantasy Tactics. The first title under this expansion is actually Revenant Wings, which has its own thread and is properly explained there.

The second of which is a port of Final Fantasy Tactics on the PSP, which will see various updates-- most important of which are two new Jobs being made available. Others include new movies and such.

Lastly, there is the (not-so-)mysterious "FFT A2". Which everyone and their mom suspects is Tactics Advance 2, so yeah.
The Lion War is just FFT with some new stuff, but it's for the PSP. FFTA2 is probably for the DS, like Revenant Wings.

Inhert Dec 13, 2006 05:54 PM

oh I see I thought Lion war was a new FFT

Final Fantasy Phoneteen Dec 13, 2006 06:38 PM

Interesting. That article gave the subtitle of the new Advance game, being "Grimoire of the Impure". I didn't notice anything like that in the scan.

EDIT: Oh, there it is.

Inhert Dec 13, 2006 06:53 PM

wasn't there a big book like a grimoire in FFTA?

Metal Sphere Dec 13, 2006 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Inhert
wasn't there a big book like a grimoire in FFTA?

Yes, Marche's (sp?) brother opens up a thick book that happens to be magic and it drops them into that world. Looks like another game revolving around a book.

Matt Dec 13, 2006 11:29 PM

Is there any time line for the world of Ivalice?
I've been under the assumption that it's something like:
FFT -----many-years-later----> FFT:A -----> FFXII

RPG Maker Dec 13, 2006 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt
Is there any time line for the world of Ivalice?
I've been under the assumption that it's something like:
FFT -----many-years-later----> FFT:A -----> FFXII

Each game has nothing to do with each other. Only thing in common is the name Ivalice and a few other things.

Metal Sphere Dec 14, 2006 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by RPG Maker
Each game has nothing to do with each other. Only thing in common is the name Ivalice and a few other things.

Not really, he's actually got the timeline (as it's commonly believed) to be kind of wrong. It's:

FFTA > FFXII > FFT

I don't know where I heard this, but I've heard that FFT takes place in Rozzaria.

Cobalt Katze Dec 14, 2006 12:09 AM

FFTA series takes place outside of the of the timeline technically, since it's inside a book based on the world of Ivalice :p

FFT taking place inside Rozzaria would make sense, since it's all locations that aren't in XII's Ivalice. From what I gathered, Rozzaria seems to be some kind of fantasy version of Italy :p I could certainly picture Al-Cid riding off on a moped going 'ciao'.

Final Fantasy Phoneteen Dec 14, 2006 12:11 AM

Tactics Advance I believe isn't even a part of the real Ivalice, and is based on the children's experiences with Final Fantasy (I suppose it would be XII). Aside from that, we would have to assume that XII is a distant prequel due to Moogles and perhaps even the Bangaa and Viera going extinct by the time of Tactics.

As for Vagrant Story, that's a little trickier. Most assume that it's sometime between Tactics' Middle Ages and Alazlam Durai's Late Ages, but no one's certain.

Metal Sphere Dec 14, 2006 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Cobalt Katze
FFTA series takes place outside of the of the timeline technically, since it's inside a book based on the world of Ivalice :p

Heh, good point. But remember, it was a book. Could it be that they were living in the Ivalice that the book described? It may have been a magical history book/grimoire.

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FFT taking place inside Rozzaria would make sense, since it's all locations that aren't in XII's Ivalice. From what I gathered, Rozzaria seems to be some kind of fantasy version of Italy :p I could certainly picture Al-Cid riding off on a moped going 'ciao'.
Not to mention, according to the Wikipedia entry for the game, FFT was modeled after the War of the Roses. That'd seem to fall in line with the name.

Also, found another little link, though it may mean nothing:

Spoiler:
Mustadio and his father's last names are both Bunanza, possibly descendants of Balthier and/or the rest of the Bunansa family? Mustadio uses guns if I'm not mistaken and his father is very much into machinery.


And Vagrant Story would have to take place before FFXII, or at least during, since there are numerous entries in the bestiary that refer to the 'Naturalist Merlose'. Callo Merlose, maybe?

Cobalt Katze Dec 14, 2006 12:51 AM

Callo Merlose was Vagrant Story, not FFT. Which would place VS prior to XII.

No. Hard Pass. Dec 14, 2006 12:54 AM

Oh motherfucker. Now I have to buy a goddamn PSP. This game had best get released here. If they fix the translation, FFT is one of the greatest games ever made.

Metal Sphere Dec 14, 2006 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Cobalt Katze
Callo Merlose was Vagrant Story, not FFT. Which would place VS prior to XII.

Ah, whoops I put 'Tactics' instead of VS. Yes, VS is before XII, that's actually one of the first "clicks" that when through my head when I was filling the bestiary.

Final Fantasy Phoneteen Dec 14, 2006 02:07 AM

I had just chalked it and the Bunansa name up as little nods to previous games, like the Riskbreaker Guild Rank and Montblanc.

Xaekid Dec 14, 2006 02:07 AM

Oh damn...

I need a PSP. Like, soon.

Metal Sphere Dec 14, 2006 02:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Generic Badass
I had just chalked it and the Bunansa name up as little nods to previous games, like the Riskbreaker Guild Rank and Montblanc.

Ah, it's probably just that. Some others include the Espers themselves being the Lucavi of FFT, albeit with slightly different names. Queklain becomes Cuchulainn (hell his subtitle is almost the same in both games, Impure somthing something), Hashmalum becomes Hashmal, Altima becomes Ultima, etc...

I believe Velius is Belias, but that may be stretching it. The Zodiac and gem associations are still the same in both titles, as is their jobs and ranking amongst them (Hashmal brings order/regulates, Ultima's the leader). The games are clearly linked. Even FFTA is linked, so it's not fictional.
Spoiler:

Al-Cid Margrace invites Ashe to his family's vacation spot in Ambervale. This location is the final stage in FFTA, and in that game it is the summer home of the royal family. Supports both the Rozzaria connection and the FFTA world as actually having existed.

Final Fantasy Phoneteen Dec 14, 2006 02:28 AM

That connection to Advance is easily explained by the fact that the world is crafted by their experiences with Final Fantasy, like I said. A child's outlook could easily explain why the rather grotesque Seeq are absent and why the Judges are considerably more benign than their XII counterparts. Hell, it would make Montblanc fit in all too well, since he is exactly the same in personality and career choice.

Also, Belias is extremely similar to Velius when romanizing, so it isn't a stretch in the least.

Dark Nation Dec 14, 2006 02:38 AM

This is the time line (Oldest in chronology story-wise) as it has been most likely hypothesized:

FFXII ---> FFXII:RW ---> FFTactics ---> Vagrant Story.

This new game = No Idea, obviously. Looks like SquareEnix finally realized people luv Ivalice. I admit I've warmed to the whole 'world', although its very close to the overused medieval fantasy which I abhor. Luckily they deviated far enough to make it enjoyable.

Also to those who might be confused, FFTA was the Equivalent of Super Mario Bros 2 (Doki Doki Panic! in Japan) or Legend of Zelda - Link's Awakening:
Spoiler:

It was all a dream.

(Bonus: Both in Link's Awakening and FFTA, it could be argued that you play as the villain, since you ultimately destroy the dream world).

Cetra Dec 14, 2006 02:41 AM

Wonder if they will add new battle maps and nerf Thundergod Cid in the PSP version of FFT.

No. Hard Pass. Dec 14, 2006 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Cetra
Wonder if they will add new battle maps and nerf Thundergod Cid in the PSP version of FFT.

I don't think you can dumb down Cid because of the story. I always liked that you heard about how all powerful he was, and he could take out entire batallions, so if you got him and he was weak? Bah. I hate it when they do that in games. I.E. Magus.

Metal Sphere Dec 14, 2006 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Generic Badass
That connection to Advance is easily explained by the fact that the world is crafted by their experiences with Final Fantasy, like I said. A child's outlook could easily explain why the rather grotesque Seeq are absent and why the Judges are considerably more benign than their XII counterparts. Hell, it would make Montblanc fit in all too well, since he is exactly the same in personality and career choice.

Spoiler:

IIRC, the book itself is actually magic and Marche's brother's dream/desires could simply have them viewing the book's contents through the filter of his mind. This becomes more pronounced as the story goes on and they realize that the world isn't real. So, IMO, it's a dream interpretation of some actual time in the book. They've even got the Salikawood as a location, or at least wood from that area as an item.

I like the idea that the book may actually be FFXII with all the "icky" removed.


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Also, Belias is extremely similar to Velius when romanizing, so it isn't a stretch in the least.
Thanks for the heads up, I sort of wondered if they weren't actually one and the same due to both having the same gem.

And VS wouldn't take place that far ahead of XII, since it frequently cites 'Naturalist Merlose' in encounters with certain monsters. That would put it sometime before XII. Or if you don't to view this reference in this light, it could be an ancestor, but Merlose is a she in the entries.

Someone explained it well in the FFXII thread that FFT takes place well after the others for various reasons (absence of other races, airship graveyard, etc).

Either way, this is all very interesting.

Torte Dec 14, 2006 03:26 AM

"Gasp!" - Drowning in the flood of cash cows here!

Dark Nation Dec 14, 2006 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Metal Sphere

And VS wouldn't take place that far ahead of XII, since it frequently cites 'Naturalist Merlose' in encounters with certain monsters. That would put it sometime before XII. Or if you don't to view this reference in this light, it could be an ancestor, but Merlose is a she in the entries.

That's the problem isn't it? As I said it was only a Hypothesis. There's evidence for VS taking both far ahead and far behind the other two games.

But I wonder: Where would Lea Monde be located in Ivalice in relation to other places?

Final Fantasy Phoneteen Dec 14, 2006 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Metal Sphere
[spoiler]And VS wouldn't take place that far ahead of XII, since it frequently cites 'Naturalist Merlose' in encounters with certain monsters. That would put it sometime before XII. Or if you don't to view this reference in this light, it could be an ancestor, but Merlose is a she in the entries.

Oh right, I forgot to mention that.

Do the people mention Merlose in the game, or is it part of the narration (be it spoken by no one in cutscenes or part of item descriptions and the like)? I can't recall, but if it's the latter, it doesn't necessarily mean it's giving away a general time period. As you might recall, the game quotes Alazlam in the very beginning.

Dark Nation Dec 14, 2006 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Generic Badass
Oh right, I forgot to mention that.

Do the people mention Merlose in the game, or is it part of the narration (be it spoken by no one in cutscenes or part of item descriptions and the like)? I can't recall, but if it's the latter, it doesn't necessarily mean it's giving away a general time period. As you might recall, the game quotes Alazlam in the very beginning.

The only definite pieces of information which relate to the other games would be the following:

- (FFXII), Ivalice uses the Old Valendian Calender, which would indicate that Valendia no longer exists as the time of FFXII.
- (VS) There is a Temple of Kiltia, which the religion can also be found in FFXII in Mt. Bur-Omisacse as the Temple of the Gran Kiltias, which would suggest that either the Religion still exists, so that it used to beforehand at some point (The Cathedral could be Kiltia in name only, and be home to a different Church organization).
- (FFT) The Kingdom of Ordalia is the location of Rozzaria (FFXII) on the Ordalian Continent, while Valendia is where the current Arcadian Empire is situated, on the Valendian Continent.
- (FFXII) The rood symbol found on the cape of the Judges is also the same kind (Subtle difference in Design) found in Vagrant Story.
- A.J. Durai is also the narrator of Tactics (duh).

Some of this info might be unconfirmed. This is a combo of what I know, and what I was able to gather.

Final Fantasy Phoneteen Dec 14, 2006 03:01 PM

Okay, now The Magicbox is reporting that Crystal Chronicles: The Ring of Fates takes place in Ivalice.

lol whut

Cobalt Katze Dec 14, 2006 03:50 PM

I think someone forgot to sleep before posting the news? The Crystal Chronicles take place in their own world, what with their own unique races and such.

Metal Sphere Dec 14, 2006 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Nation
The only definite pieces of information which relate to the other games would be the following:

- (FFXII), Ivalice uses the Old Valendian Calender, which would indicate that Valendia no longer exists as the time of FFXII.
- (VS) There is a Temple of Kiltia, which the religion can also be found in FFXII in Mt. Bur-Omisacse as the Temple of the Gran Kiltias, which would suggest that either the Religion still exists, so that it used to beforehand at some point (The Cathedral could be Kiltia in name only, and be home to a different Church organization).
- (FFT) The Kingdom of Ordalia is the location of Rozzaria (FFXII) on the Ordalian Continent, while Valendia is where the current Arcadian Empire is situated, on the Valendian Continent.
- (FFXII) The rood symbol found on the cape of the Judges is also the same kind (Subtle difference in Design) found in Vagrant Story.
- A.J. Durai is also the narrator of Tactics (duh).

Some of this info might be unconfirmed. This is a combo of what I know, and what I was able to gather.

Awesome compilation, DN. I think the Kiltias have been around before, as the Stilshrine is actually a temple.
Spoiler:
It's mentioned in the game, that Raithwall and the Kiltias were friends and he had him put one of his treasures there.


About the location of Lea Monde, got any guesses? I don't remember any bestiary entries mention anything about it, or even hint at it (I've already caught a Red Wings reference in the Aeronite entry).

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I think someone forgot to sleep before posting the news? The Crystal Chronicles take place in their own world, what with their own unique races and such.
Yeah, that'd actually be a negative, IMO. Chronicles had a very interesting world, and a very thin story that had to do with memories. I enjoyed the style of the world and the races, so much so that to force it into the world of Ivalice would be strange.

It also wouldn't click with the first game's story, because miasma =/= mist.

Cobalt Katze Dec 14, 2006 06:51 PM

I actually thought that the "in the distance" view of Giruvegan looked extremely similar to the same far-off shot in Vagrant Story of Lea Monde. They're both places rather surrounded by water too... but once you go inside Giruvegan, it's clear that it's very dissimilar to Lea Monde. Which made me sad slightly.

Final Fantasy Phoneteen Dec 14, 2006 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobalt Katze
I think someone forgot to sleep before posting the news? The Crystal Chronicles take place in their own world, what with their own unique races and such.

In their defense, there hasn't been anything to confirm that this takes place in the same world. Outfits are similar, but nothing concrete. From what the article says, this game is actually fairly dissimilar to its predecessor-- the story takes more of a central role (focusing on two siblings and having a theme about family), crystals (and presumably miasma) will be nonexistent, and strategy is now considered in battle (having the high ground will cause additional damage, for example).

But, on the other hand, this wouldn't be the first time Magicbox has misquoted or even flat-out wrongly stated information on an upcoming game. I'm also pretty sure I saw a Yuke in a recent screenshot, which wouldn't fit into Ivalice unless they add the original Crystal Chronicles world. Still, I don't think I'd be against the series being added into that universe.

Metal Sphere Dec 14, 2006 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Generic Badass
In their defense, there hasn't been anything to confirm that this takes place in the same world. Outfits are similar, but nothing concrete. From what the article says, this game is actually fairly dissimilar to its predecessor-- the story takes more of a central role (focusing on two siblings and having a theme about family), crystals (and presumably miasma) will be nonexistent, and strategy is now considered in battle (having the high ground will cause additional damage, for example).

But, on the other hand, this wouldn't be the first time Magicbox has misquoted or even flat-out wrongly stated information on an upcoming game. I'm also pretty sure I saw a Yuke in a recent screenshot, which wouldn't fit into Ivalice unless they add the original Crystal Chronicles world. Still, I don't think I'd be against the series being added into that universe.

Well, it still wouldn't work, since Clavats aren't humans it seems, they'd have to explain the Yukes. Not to mention the complete absence of references to any FFT/VS events, people or places. It really seems like they'd be shoehorning it into that world.

I'm calling BS on them for the moment, unless this somehow takes place in the distant past.

JackyBoy Dec 14, 2006 11:13 PM

I truly hope SquareEnix have the common sense not to fuck with a legendary game like Final Fantasy Tactics. An updated port for the PSP is incredible news so let us hope they handle this properly and not turn it into a bullshit mockery that ports so often turn out to be. It would be nice if the PSP version offers a bit more flash for the visuals, but if not, use of the original graphics will do just nicely. This is one of the extremely rare cases where even I would say graphics don't mean a damn when you're talking about a game like Tactics.

Kostaki Dec 16, 2006 12:06 AM

Crystal Chronicles DS has been confirmed to be in Ivalice as well.

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Originally Posted by RPGamer.com News Article
The story takes place in the now-familiar world of Ivalice where the twin protagonists Yuri and Chierinka reside. While four races occupy this version of Ivalice, none have been specifically mentioned. Family and fraternal love play a major role in the game's story, but crystals are no longer a significant theme. Like its predecessor, all of the battles in Ring of Fates are action-oriented, with graphics rendered in full 3D. The level of terrain and position of the characters will affect camera orientation, but the player's view is most often a zoomed-out overhead perspective reminiscent of The Legend of Zelda series. In addition to battle skills like "atttack" and "magic," players can now utilize a "jump" command, although details surrounding this remain unclear.

Mitsuru Kamiyama, director of Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles for the Gamecube, returns to direct the DS incarnation, and Toshiyuki Itahana returns as character designer. Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: Ring of Fates has no scheduled release date, but is currently 60% complete and will be released for the DS alongside Final Fantasy Crystal Chronicles: Crystal Bearers for the Nintendo Wii.

Source: http://www.rpgamer.com/news/Q4-2006/121506a.html

Make of it what you will.

EDIT: RPGamer has retracted the Ivalice portion of the article, so I don't know WHAT the hell is going on anymore lol.

Muzza Dec 16, 2006 12:23 AM

I'm sure that's gonna seem very strange to serious FFT, FF:CC etc fans. I think they should have left FFCC:CB in whatever land FF:CC was set in. But hey, this is just some random babble coming from a person who shamefully has never played the main games mentioned in this thread. (Soon, though. Trust me, I do want to play FFT)

Xaekid Dec 16, 2006 02:12 AM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...id/LionWar.jpg

I just love the new logo. :D

No. Hard Pass. Dec 16, 2006 04:07 AM

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Wow... that's really nice.

Metal Sphere Dec 16, 2006 09:37 AM

Ok, I see the Onion Knight job on the right, with a summoner and archer in the back. I was looking to find the other new addition in there, but I guess not (unless it's that Ninja/Samurai one above the N).

Taisai Dec 16, 2006 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Kostaki
The story takes place in the now-familiar world of Ivalice where the twin protagonists Yuri and Chierinka reside. While four races occupy this version of Ivalice, none have been specifically mentioned.

Source: http://www.rpgamer.com/news/Q4-2006/121506a.html

The source was already edited, so just a misunderstanding of the reporter?

Be it true or not, whatever. I love the mediaeval atmospheres that Matsuno and his followers created, but I'm not a fan of the world Ivalice in the least, especially when it's just Star Wars-esque like FFXII. The Vana diel (FFXI's world) is much more attractive IMO.

Jagged Dec 16, 2006 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Kostaki
Crystal Chronicles DS has been confirmed to be in Ivalice as well.



Make of it what you will.

That's pretty much BS. Not of the articles in Jump mention that, so I have no I dea where this came from.

BTW, Matsuno actually has never mention that VS takes place in FFT not even the VS Ultimaina.

From GAF:

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Also some FFT PSP info:

- New episodes, jobs and characters
- Wifi battles (not confirmed for online)
- Movies have no voice
- Narrator is Wakamoto (!)

New Screenshot:
http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20061215/fft02.jpg

Logo (large):
http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20061215/fft01.jpg

Metal Sphere Dec 16, 2006 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Taisai
The source was already edited, so just a misunderstanding of the reporter?

Be it true or not, whatever. I love the mediaeval atmospheres that Matsuno and his followers created, but I'm not a fan of the world Ivalice in the least, especially when it's just Star Wars-esque like FFXII. The Vana diel (FFXI's world) is much more attractive IMO.

Go shoot yourself. Just kidding, but Vana'diel better than FFXII's Ivalice? I think not. If the game had a day/night cycle it would've been icing on a game that had a fantastic world. I'm just disappointed that they threw out CC's world in order to fit this into Ivalice.

Oh, and here's more reason to get the PSP version of FFT:

http://watch.impress.co.jp/game/docs/20061215/fft02.jpg

Damn.

Wow, took a little too long. =/

zzeroparticle Dec 16, 2006 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jagged
BTW, Matsuno actually has never mention that VS takes place in FFT not even the VS Ultimaina.

While that statement is true, there are a lot of points where it implies that VS takes place in Ivalice. The evidence mostly comes from:

- The fact that Ashley Riot is a member of the Valendian Knights of the Peace. There is a separate continent named Valendia in Ivalice.

- Durai being the historian/chronicler in both of those games.

On my end, I'm looking forwards to seeing Ivalice take on a darker atmosphere as seen in FFT and VS. Anything like what came out of FFTA would just ruin it entirely.

Rock Dec 16, 2006 03:10 PM

I'd be interested in a complete map of Ivalice with all the continents and locations that appear in Vagrant Story, Final Fantasy Tactics and XII. Does such a thing even exist?

Metal Sphere Dec 16, 2006 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Rock
I'd be interested in a complete map of Ivalice with all the continents and locations that appear in Vagrant Story, Final Fantasy Tactics and XII. Does such a thing even exist?

Isn't the background of the FFT PSP website a map of Ivalice? We don't even need a map, as XII lays things out pretty well:

To the west of the Sandsea is Rozzaria (continent of Ordalia?)
To the south of Rabanastre is Kerwon
Dalmasca is on the Galtean penisula (IIRC)

As for Archades, didn't someone mention it's in Valendia?

Taisai Dec 16, 2006 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Rock
I'd be interested in a complete map of Ivalice with all the continents and locations that appear in Vagrant Story, Final Fantasy Tactics and XII. Does such a thing even exist?

Nah, there aren't any official map that covers multiple Ivalice games AFAIK, though some fans created it on a temporary basis, like this or that. As the FFXII world was once ruined by the catastrophe, I suppose the configuration of the earth's surface would be different.

Soldier Dec 16, 2006 04:58 PM

http://www.gamevideos.com/video/id/8042

Damn. If every single cutscene has been redone with cellshaded graphics and voice acting, then this is a guaranteed day one purchase for me. These are the kind of games that can save the PSP.

Pokey Dec 16, 2006 05:26 PM

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Please Vagrant Story 2, please Vagrant Story 2, please Vagrant Story 2...
That and a Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together remake and I will die a happy woman.

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I truly hope SquareEnix have the common sense not to fuck with a legendary game like Final Fantasy Tactics. An updated port for the PSP is incredible news so let us hope they handle this properly and not turn it into a bullshit mockery that ports so often turn out to be. It would be nice if the PSP version offers a bit more flash for the visuals, but if not, use of the original graphics will do just nicely. This is one of the extremely rare cases where even I would say graphics don't mean a damn when you're talking about a game like Tactics.
Fuck yes, this is exactly it. I'm a little worried about the cutscenes though, because (1) It'll give them an excuse to change around some plot details, and (2) The style of the game itself might make things look a little too cartoony. FFT was brilliant in using in game sprites to act out gritty dialogue, and I really want to see that kind of atmosphere kept intact. But I guess I saw this coming, anyhow. Although i'm glad the translations going to be fixed. (I'll miss "l...i...t...t...l...e....m...o...n...e...y" and "Defeat Dycedarg's Elder Brother!" a lot though :()

Hachifusa Dec 16, 2006 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SOLDIER

Oh, my. I was expecting just a regular rehash.

It's amazing that they actually made the style exactly as it was in the original.

At this rate, I will be re-buying a PSP.

Hindman Dec 16, 2006 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Jagged
That's pretty much BS. Not of the articles in Jump mention that, so I have no I dea where this came from.

The reporter that wrote that pretty much sucks, perhaps evidenced by the fact he's sourcing the notoriously bad translations of MagicBox. I called the no Ivalice thing on their forums, citing that Ivalice appeared nowhere in the scans and so they edited the report. Of course they won't give credit or mention that though. That's not how RPGamer rolls.

Kostaki Dec 16, 2006 08:10 PM

I guess if they want to write something then retract it that's their decision, I was only calling what I saw at the time.

Even so, I doubt I'll be buying a PSP for any of this, as the only thing the PSP still continues to offer are ports of game titles. Soon as they release a unique Tactics title for the PSP I might be inclined.

I edited my original quote post of that article to indicate that Ivalice was retracted from it.

Sarag Dec 16, 2006 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Pokey
I'm a little worried about the cutscenes though, because (1) It'll give them an excuse to change around some plot details,

That's the beauty; the plot was so confusing that you wouldn't even notice any changes, unless you're some weird obsessive fangirl.

Hindman Dec 16, 2006 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by a lurker
That's the beauty; the plot was so confusing that you wouldn't even notice any changes, unless you're some weird obsessive fangirl.

QFMFT.
Plus, as I'm sure someone has already said, here's hoping for an improved translation. But even without that, those added anime scenes will enhance the story a lot on their own.

And, just as a backup, even if it would change the story in some noticeable way, guess what? The old story still exists too, right there on the PlayStation. It's not going to overwrite your memory of original FFT playthroughs or plotlines. You can have both. Now, that's just *if* anything's even changed, though.

RPG Maker Dec 17, 2006 02:12 AM

Final Fantasy Tactics Advance 2 confirmed for DS.

Dark Nation Dec 17, 2006 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by RPG Maker
Final Fantasy Tactics Advance 2 confirmed for DS.

O RLY?

Source of this "Confirmation"?

Taisai Dec 17, 2006 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark Nation
O RLY?

Source of this "Confirmation"?

I hear they announced "FFT A2 (btw, not Advance2) on DS" on the theatre in the Jump Festa 2007.

Kostaki Dec 17, 2006 02:32 AM

If that turns out to be true, I'll have to toss a hearty lol out to Sony because the PSP will effectively have become the port bitch system. I guess Playstation Portable sounds quite becoming at this point.

It's also another title in Nintendo's hands, which will add even more fuel to the "Square defecting to Nintendo" fire that's been raging lately.

Of course, this doesn't take into account that FFTA1 was fucking horrible either, and that the Tactics sub-franchise really deserves something better like a PS3 or Wii release.

Dark Nation Dec 17, 2006 03:14 AM

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Tactics sub-franchise really deserves something better like a PS3 or Wii release.

As much as I'd like a Wii sequel, it will likely NEVER happen.

The only Final Fantasy to hit any Nintendo System has been Crystal Chronicles, which is like a spin-off series, and Tactics Advance, which is Tactics Ogre Advanced, but with Final Fantasy IP.

If they DID however make the sequel for the Wii... I don't know what to think.

The PS3, I'm afraid, would sacrifice Gameplay and/or the Game's soul/uniqueness for Sony regulations in their games (Compare to how Sony Computer Entertainment America (SCEA) has an active policy against any 2D game, or EA in general).

On the flip-side, the Wii port would probably have subtle censorship, such as mature content references, which is typical of Nintendo (I have a feeling they released Conker's fur day just to say that policy was not actually true, have a steak to feed the sharks, as it were).

Now then: What would/does the sequel entail story-wise?

Metal Sphere Dec 17, 2006 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark Nation
As much as I'd like a Wii sequel, it will likely NEVER happen.

The only Final Fantasy to hit any Nintendo System has been Crystal Chronicles, which is like a spin-off series, and Tactics Advance, which is Tactics Ogre Advanced, but with Final Fantasy IP.

If they DID however make the sequel for the Wii... I don't know what to think.

The PS3, I'm afraid, would sacrifice Gameplay and/or the Game's soul/uniqueness for Sony regulations in their games (Compare to how Sony Computer Entertainment America (SCEA) has an active policy against any 2D game, or EA in general).

On the flip-side, the Wii port would probably have subtle censorship, such as mature content references, which is typical of Nintendo (I have a feeling they released Conker's fur day just to say that policy was not actually true, have a steak to feed the sharks, as it were).

Now then: What would/does the sequel entail story-wise?

FFTA getting a Wii sequel? Now that's far fetched. The games will likely continue on their handhelds. Not to mention that the game was pretty average, and wouldn't exactly wok well without a complete revamp. Might as well make a new game for the Wii.

I agree with DN that if it did show up on it, there would be lots of "you can't do this" or "show that" for the title. PS3 would be out of the question, for the reason stated before (handheld only). If it did show up on that machine, it'd likely end up as the most gorgeous FFT-based game to date, but with the shitty gameplay+story of FFTA.

FFTA2 for the DS is completely reasonable and expected.

Kostaki Dec 17, 2006 04:57 AM

In that case, I'm all for Square getting into talks with Nintendo about a Wii release Final Fantasy Tactics. I doubt they'd even think of telling Square they can't do something, considering it would be another step up for Nintendo.

Besides, being able to point on the screen where you want your characters moving to, among other things, sounds likes fun. There's probably a host of possibilities that a strategy game could provide that Wiimote, that would add some much needed immersion.

Torte Dec 17, 2006 06:27 AM

Yeah when they said there was another FFT game, platform TBC, I was already pretty damn sure I knew the answer already. I guess I was right. So many great announcements for the DS have been made since last year that I've become desensitised to them now lol!

As for PSportable// that's a classic right up there with DS Phat. Credit

Hindman Dec 17, 2006 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Kostaki
If that turns out to be true, I'll have to toss a hearty lol out to Sony because the PSP will effectively have become the port bitch system. I guess Playstation Portable sounds quite becoming at this point.

Heh ^^
Am I the only one totally okay with this, though? I think the port of FFT looks freaking amazing and I can't wait to play it. Plus I already know I'll enjoy it--I've wanted a handheld port of FFT for a long time. Add in those anime scenes, new jobs, and a *hopefully* better translation? Score. Most of the ports that have made it to PSP are games I'd like to play handheld, fortunately.

Black Mage Dec 17, 2006 03:31 PM

In regards to the second page of this thread:

I couldn't find a particularly good image of it, but I still rather prefer the original logo.

http://www.finalfantasytactics.info/fft/images/logo.jpg

The new one isn't bad, though.

Dark Nation Dec 18, 2006 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Metal Sphere
FFTA getting a Wii sequel? Now that's far fetched.

LOL. No I meant Final Fantasy Tactics (PS1) getting a Wii Sequel. Since (Last I heard), there wasn't a console chosen for the FFTactics2.

FFT = PS1
FFTA2 = DS
FFT (Port) = PSP
FFT2 = ???

I think the best decision for all would be for it being on the PS2, but since both Sony AND Squeenix are Graphic Whores (For both bad and good), they'd want to push for a PS3 Sequel with real-time magic casting or something.

However, Nintendo has new management as of late, and maybe that will indicate allowing FFT2 on the Wii. Afterall they did have the Resident Evil titles (Notably RE4, game in my signature right now), and Red Steel as a launch title for the Wii, both of which are much more directly violent then any Final Fantasy title.

Cetra Dec 18, 2006 12:57 AM

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The PS3, I'm afraid, would sacrifice Gameplay and/or the Game's soul/uniqueness for Sony regulations in their games (Compare to how Sony Computer Entertainment America (SCEA) has an active policy against any 2D game, or EA in general).
Will this false information ever die? The PS2 happens to have more 2D games than the Gamecube and XBox had combined. This policy was something completely fabricated by someone because they were upset some obscure Japan game didn't make it overseas.

Metal Sphere Dec 18, 2006 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark Nation
LOL. No I meant Final Fantasy Tactics (PS1) getting a Wii Sequel. Since (Last I heard), there wasn't a console chosen for the FFTactics2.

FFT = PS1
FFTA2 = DS
FFT (Port) = PSP
FFT2 = ???

Final Fantasy Tactics 2? The only games that were announced were FFT:TLW and FFTA 2, for the PSP and DS. FFT2 would likely be on one of Sony's consoles, although if it's on the PS3 it'll likely end up in 3D.

But there hasn't been much in terms of concrete hints towards a FFT2 coming.

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I think the best decision for all would be for it being on the PS2, but since both Sony AND Squeenix are Graphic Whores (For both bad and good), they'd want to push for a PS3 Sequel with real-time magic casting or something.
The PS2 would be the best bet, as they're already quite familiar with the hardware. Not to mention the console's shown it has its share of SRPG fans waiting for anything to come down the pipe.

A PS3 FFT would mean they're bringing the games to the forefront, rather than something on the side.

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However, Nintendo has new management as of late, and maybe that will indicate allowing FFT2 on the Wii. Afterall they did have the Resident Evil titles (Notably RE4, game in my signature right now), and Red Steel as a launch title for the Wii, both of which are much more directly violent then any Final Fantasy title.
They'll still ask for things to be removed from any FFT game that shows up on their console that's remotely as dark as Tactics. RE4 and Red Steel were both calculated moves to break the image of their consoles as toys/childish.

BTW, Cetra's right. I've long heard about this 2D restriction business, and it mostly comes from bitter ToD folks but many other 2D-philes can't seem to leave that horse alone.

Dark Nation Dec 19, 2006 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Cetra
Will this false information ever die? The PS2 happens to have more 2D games than the Gamecube and XBox had combined. This policy was something completely fabricated by someone because they were upset some obscure Japan game didn't make it overseas.

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BTW, Cetra's right. I've long heard about this 2D restriction business, and it mostly comes from bitter ToD folks but many other 2D-philes can't seem to leave that horse alone.
Hmm, that may be so, but aside from Capcom Fighters, I can't think of any other 2D Games on the PS2 (They might be 2.5D, meaning 2D gameplay but 3D graphics, but I was referring to purely side-scrollers or what-not). However If its really just a case of bitter fans spreading rumors then I'll investigate more thoroughly the validity of such claims in the future. (Honestly its unlike me to spread rumors :p ).

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Originally Posted by Metal Sphere
Final Fantasy Tactics 2? The only games that were announced were FFT:TLW and FFTA 2, for the PSP and DS. FFT2 would likely be on one of Sony's consoles, although if it's on the PS3 it'll likely end up in 3D.

I could have Sworn that a FFT2 was announced as being in pre-production. I guess this shows one should not post in the morning when they have class the next day :tpg:

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The PS2 would be the best bet, as they're already quite familiar with the hardware. Not to mention the console's shown it has its share of SRPG fans waiting for anything to come down the pipe.

A PS3 FFT would mean they're bringing the games to the forefront, rather than something on the side.
The main reason I'm thinking that a PS3 Sequel would be more likely is that Sony wants to push hard on their new hardware, and given the industry-wide pattern of slowly dropping support for "Legacy" Hardware once a new console comes out (A 1-2 Year Transition from my perspective), it would be beneficial to Sony (and Squareenix) that they have a capital franchise's "Next-Gen" debut on their new machine. However Squareenix has shown that its still developing for the PS2 and for Nintendo hardware, so it could go either way. I'm just trying to think from their vantage point.

I asked before but I'll ask again: What would the possible story-line for Tactics2, or FFTA2 be?

If FFTA2 is as cheesy as Marche's friend from out of town opening the same book and then all of them getting sucked in again, well I'll LOL at that.

Cetra Dec 19, 2006 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Nation
Hmm, that may be so, but aside from Capcom Fighters, I can't think of any other 2D Games on the PS2 (They might be 2.5D, meaning 2D gameplay but 3D graphics, but I was referring to purely side-scrollers or what-not). However If its really just a case of bitter fans spreading rumors then I'll investigate more thoroughly the validity of such claims in the future. (Honestly its unlike me to spread rumors :p ).

Well off the top of my head there is also Guilty Gear as well as practially every NIS game released along with a few Atlus titles. But think about the idea of this policy logically. What exactly does Sony have to lose by licencing a 3rd party localized and published 2D game on their platform? Sure there might be a general assumption by 3rd party publishers that a 2D game might not sell well in the American market, but this has nothing to do with Sony themselves. This is a choice made by the 3rd party publisher which is completely independent from Sony.


Anyway with more regard to the topic, after seeing the CG work for the PSP version of FFT, I really would not mind a PS3 FFT game that utilized a real-time version of that CG for in-game graphics. It does an excellent job in staying true to the FFT art style.

Final Fantasy Phoneteen Dec 19, 2006 03:19 PM

Alright, this is fucking retarded. Champions of either camp need to take this clash of the titans elsewhere.

Metal Sphere Dec 19, 2006 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Dark Nation
Hmm, that may be so, but aside from Capcom Fighters, I can't think of any other 2D Games on the PS2 (They might be 2.5D, meaning 2D gameplay but 3D graphics, but I was referring to purely side-scrollers or what-not). However If its really just a case of bitter fans spreading rumors then I'll investigate more thoroughly the validity of such claims in the future. (Honestly its unlike me to spread rumors :p ).

The bold part is pretty much it. There's definitely more 2D titles on the PS2 than the others, one I can name is Alien Hominid.

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I could have Sworn that a FFT2 was announced as being in pre-production. I guess this shows one should not post in the morning when they have class the next day :tpg:
Heh, don't sweat it. I avoid posting early in the morning due to bizarre typos and fuzzy memory.

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The main reason I'm thinking that a PS3 Sequel would be more likely is that Sony wants to push hard on their new hardware, and given the industry-wide pattern of slowly dropping support for "Legacy" Hardware once a new console comes out (A 1-2 Year Transition from my perspective), it would be beneficial to Sony (and Squareenix) that they have a capital franchise's "Next-Gen" debut on their new machine. However Squareenix has shown that its still developing for the PS2 and for Nintendo hardware, so it could go either way. I'm just trying to think from their vantage point.
Nah, their position is likely the same as always during this transition: The old hardware is on the way out, it's had a good run, how about giving the new guy a run? Then it's up to the developers to decide what platform will be best for their title.

You can see SE's approach by looking at where their games are going. The SE leaving Sony is some of the most overblown stuff I've heard in a while, when all they're doing is healing the work on the relationship they've always had.

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I asked before but I'll ask again: What would the possible story-line for Tactics2, or FFTA2 be?
Tactics 2, I have no clue as the original wrapped it up nicely. Unless you change the time period/area where the game occurs. One could have a game that takes place during the time when the technological age came to an end and the era FFT takes place in begins with the last scene being St. Ajora becoming Ajora's host.

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If FFTA2 is as cheesy as Marche's friend from out of town opening the same book and then all of them getting sucked in again, well I'll LOL at that.
Damn, that is alternately incredibly cheesy and possible. Though if they do that, there should be constant trashing of said character for throwing them back into that mess.

Pokey Dec 28, 2006 10:07 PM

FFT PSP port webpage up. (Japanese only)

Includes:
-Story Info
-Character Info (Delita, Ramza, and Ovelia)
-3 wallpapers
-A direct feed of the Jump Fiesta trailer!!

http://www.square-enix.co.jp/fft/

Sometimes the flash doesn't load up, if that happens, try downloading the japanese flash player or just restart the page.

Anyway, i'm impressed with the trailer now that we have a good quality version of it. I like the 'cross-hatch' effect in the cutscenes as well, but i'm hoping they don't sacrifice vibrant colors for an antique feel. It's also confirmed that they will remaster the entire soundtrack, damn.

Jurassic Park Chocolate Raptor Dec 28, 2006 11:39 PM

If it's remastered in the same vein as the "remastered" Valkyrie Profile PSP port soundtrack, you probably won't notice much. I dunno if that means they'll be reprinting the soundtrack YET AGAIN, either.

Pokey Dec 29, 2006 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Colonel Skills (Post 352886)
If it's remastered in the same vein as the "remastered" Valkyrie Profile PSP port soundtrack, you probably won't notice much. I dunno if that means they'll be reprinting the soundtrack YET AGAIN, either.

Well, there is a new piano version of 'Hero's theme' in the Jump Fiesta trailer. I think some of the main tunes will have a complete overhaul whereas others will simply be tweaked as you said.

Dunno if this has been posted or not, but here are all of the current famitsu scans. They renamed the Oracle to "Auger"..anyone know what that means in context to the job class itself?

Taisai Dec 31, 2006 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Pokey (Post 352846)
It's also confirmed that they will remaster the entire soundtrack, damn.

It's just the new rendition of Hero's Theme is confirmed.The only official reference to the music is that it will be basically the same as the PSX version, aside from some tracks which maybe FMV sequences will need.

TetraShadow00 Jan 7, 2007 01:48 AM

Complation Reply:
 
Alright, Regards to the "First" Half of this Thread:

NOTE:The following, is speculation and assumption;

CREDITS:
Up until this forum, I never even heard that Vagrant Story (VS), was related to Ivalice. The subtle details referring to Final Fantasy Tactics (FFT) and Final Fantasy XII (FFXII), were missed by my lack of consciousness.

The reference of Final Fantasy Tactics Advance (FFTA), in the thread, was also very helpful, because the scenario of a "Kids Point of View" never occured in my mind, Until Now.

Also I must credit those who inputted information here. (I'm new, so I would've have "Quoted" or given them more... "Specific" credit, I apologize)

Anyways...

Someone had been Looking for a Whole Map of Ivalice?

MAP:

Here's the Screenshots for Both Games: (FFT and FFXII)

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b6...FFTIvalice.jpg

http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b6...alice_FF12.jpg

Details:

Rozarria was on the west side (Ordalia;FFXII)
-There is another Piece of land (FFT) west of Ordalia
--Someone mentioned that FFT took place in Rozarria
---If I recall all land in FFT was under "Rozarria" land.

Archades was all of the northeast (Valendia; FFXII)
-Referrence from VS, states it took place in the kingdom* of Valendia

This evidence shows, that each game only showed "Half" of Ivalice, as the other half was irrelevant toward the plot

CHARACTERS:

Alazlam J. Durai
-He is the famous historian of Ivalice.
--It is mentioned (wikipedia) that he began writing the history of "FFT" 400 years after the incident.
---This brings up the fact that, VS, because of the qoute by him, must've taken place after 400+ years after FFT
----In FFT a non-playable character named, Olan Durai existed; He was the adopted son of Cidolfas Orlandu.

Bunanza Family
-The crafts man of FFXII and FFT have a common surname
-- All of use some kind of "firearm" as a weapon
---The inconsistancy is that; Mistudio and Bersordio (Father) were in Rozarria
(East of Archades, FFXII)
----While Ffamran (Balthier) and Cid Demen Bunanza are met in the Archades end of Ivalice

TIMELINE:

FFXII used the "Old Valendian Calender"
(Referring that Valendia already existed before FFXII, consider VS)

As FFT was in it's "Middle Ages"

Wikipedia, states:
The common "important" date was when St. Ajora formed a new religion*
-This takes place about 100 years after FFXII.
-Parrallel to this time, In FFT, the same event occurs:
--St. Ajora forms the Glabados Religion, This was 1200 years before FFT

Meaning, FFXII was before FFT

My question is, does that mean; After FFXII, Ivalice reached a "Dark Age" and the races asside from Hume become extinct? Also, Would Airships have become lost technology? (Keep in mind, FFT took place in "West" Ivalice, and FFXII took place in "East" Ivalice (Map assumption))

VS also took place in a mideval time.
-But Valendia must've existed before FFXII, because there would be know Valendian Calender, nor the "tombs" and references in FFXII.
--This doesn't imply that it was VS's Valendia. The tombs were the of another era of Ivalice, not in-game

Lastly, FFTA, began in an Urban timeline, And if recall it was only a town* named Ivalice. And the actual world was only a created from the imagination of children. Al-Cid Margrace invites Ashe to his family's vacation spot in Ambervale. This location was in FFTA;it is the summer home of the royal family. This supports that, Rozarria did exist in FFTA, and the connections are justified.

Keep in mind this was all read from a book, and perscieved from a child.
And because of its Urban beginning it meant it was far pass the medeval period of FFT or FFXII or VS.

The only name that has surpassed all the years is Alazlam J. Durai.
The book was an ancient book called the Gran Grimoire.
(This was only a copy. There were a few others)

The Gran Grimoire was also found in VS, (But the Gran Grimoire was the town intself?)

Someone stated:

Because they are children, they did not perceive the "darker" side of Ivalice, it was of a child's dream and game, nothing more. The children would have not meddled with such political and warlike affairs.

My Timeline goes as Follows:

FFXII,FFTA* ~1-2 years~ FFXII-RW ~1200 years~ FFT ~400+years~ VS ~Centuries After~ FFTA*

*FFTA began centuries after, but the children's perception is paralleled with FFXII

Now, for the "Second" part of the thread:

To me, the PS3 sucks. There too much power being put into it.

Also, FFT was never a full-front game. It was still a sleeper, and it should remain that way. FFTA was disappointing at first, because the Ivalice "I loved" was gone, but as FFXII joined in, It rekindled my joy. (FFTA still isn't my favorite)

FFXII was probably the most popular "Ivalice" game yet.

But I'd still like the "tactics" games to remain on handheld. Just because games involve thinking and strategizing, should be best taken on the road.
(It took me 70 hours to beat FFT, and I'd wish i could've taken it elsewhere)
(Like Fire Emblem, or S.R.T or Ygddra Union.)

All that asside.

FFT A2, Grimoire of the Sealed Hole = DS
FFXII-RW = DS
FFT:TLW = PSP
FFT2? = PSP

Just to keep it uniformed.
Nintendo got the "A's"
While,
Sony get the other* kind?

I think I'm forgetting something... Sorry...

Xaekid Jan 17, 2007 08:05 AM

So...

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- Square Enix revealed new details in Final Fantasy Tactics: Shishi Sensou for PSP, in addition to the Onion Knights, the game will also have the job class Dark Knight, and Balthier from Final Fantasy XII, as a playable character in the game. Balthier will play an important role in the game.
From: The Magic Box.

EDIT: I got a little more from here

Balthier
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5..._122_417lo.jpg

Dark Knight
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...ader396285.jpg

Wish: I hope Dark Knights have a lot more than just Dark and Night Sword as their abilities.
LOL moments: #1: Gafgarion, you are no longer unique. #2: Now you can really make Ramza a Dark Knight zomg!

Cobalt Katze Jan 17, 2007 03:19 PM

Awesome :o Okay now I really need to get a PSP haha.

Balthier a major role in the game? So I guess it's not like how Cloud was included in the original.

Metal Sphere Jan 17, 2007 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobalt Katze (Post 366570)
Awesome :o Okay now I really need to get a PSP haha.

Balthier a major role in the game? So I guess it's not like how Cloud was included in the original.

Oh shit, Mustadio's got motherfucking competition. Hell their last names are >< close to being the same as well. Maybe he's part of an elaborate sidequest they put into the game?

I'm definitely liking what I'm seeing here, pretty much solidified this purchase.

TetraShadow00 Jan 18, 2007 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Metal Sphere (Post 366665)
Oh shit, Mustadio's got motherfucking competition. Hell their last names are >< close to being the same as well. Maybe he's part of an elaborate sidequest they put into the game?

Y'no, They are suppose to have the same last name... The only difference is the z's and s's also maybe tha a's and u's... but... Thats all done by the translator...

Also, what i've heard/read/know... is they are of the same family... and gah... Square surely is trying to confuse people...

What I'm trying to say is that... Under the impression of the timeline from the director (courtesy of wikipedia)... FFXII takes approx. 1200 years BEFORE...
(READ MY HOURS OF WORK IN THAT WHOLE COMPILATION)

ehe... but to have Balthier be an extra such as cloud was during the game... maybe a replacement cloud?... then it's plausable...

though in my preference... it would be nice to form a "Team" of all my favorite characters... which does include Cloud and balthier.

Anyways... Square likes being inconsistant... and I'm slowly getting irratated... Um... Am I forgeting something?

Oh, Mistudio does have compitition... I mean... Balthier's slick looking shirt totally beats his blue overalls and yellow shirt... ahaha...

Metal Sphere Jan 18, 2007 03:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TetraShadow00 (Post 366993)
Y'no, They are suppose to have the same last name... The only difference is the z's and s's also maybe tha a's and u's... but... Thats all done by the translator...

Bunanza vs Bunansa, not too far apart. I'd wait for the game to see if they kept his name as it was in FFXII or not.

Quote:

Also, what i've heard/read/know... is they are of the same family... and gah... Square surely is trying to confuse people...
FFXII doesn't give us enough information to even come close to this. All we have is the last name similarity, as well as their fathers being present in the story along with their firearms use. It could simply be a nod, especially considering the distance between where both pairs live.

I always just considered Balthier and his pops, and his use of guns as a nod to Mustadio (just like Leamonde Entite) rather than somehow directly connected. Who knows? He may be made part of Mustadio's family in order to fit into the world. Sounds like a possible sidequest to me.

Quote:

What I'm trying to say is that... Under the impression of the timeline from the director (courtesy of wikipedia)... FFXII takes approx. 1200 years BEFORE...
(READ MY HOURS OF WORK IN THAT WHOLE COMPILATION)

ehe... but to have Balthier be an extra such as cloud was during the game... maybe a replacement cloud?... then it's plausable...

though in my preference... it would be nice to form a "Team" of all my favorite characters... which does include Cloud and balthier.

Anyways... Square likes being inconsistant... and I'm slowly getting irratated... Um... Am I forgeting something?

Oh, Mistudio does have compitition... I mean... Balthier's slick looking shirt totally beats his blue overalls and yellow shirt... ahaha...
It's just a cameo, simple as that. Balthier's design does beat the pants off of Mustadio's, as well as his attitude in general (ole Musty is comic relief, for heaven's sake). Anyone know where I can get a scan without the goddamn text all over it? The Balthier art is damn good avatar material.

No. Hard Pass. Jan 18, 2007 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cobalt Katze (Post 366570)
Awesome :o Okay now I really need to get a PSP haha.

I will agree with you the moment they announce a US release. Up until then, I'm being a curmudgeon and assuming they won't bother gracing us with this.

Cobalt Katze Jan 18, 2007 03:13 PM

I don't see any reason they wouldn't... I mean, we're getting Chocobo's Storybook Adventures or whatever the US title is. To localize that and not FFT?

eriol33 Jan 18, 2007 09:19 PM

Man, reading this entire thread makes me want to buy PSP for the sake of playing FFT only. :(. But why PSP? why?? I really hope SE will port this to NDS instead of PSP. -__-

Xaekid Jan 18, 2007 11:56 PM

DS is getting FFTA2 so it's gonna be even. D:

eriol33 Jan 19, 2007 12:15 AM

There is no way I would compare FFTA with original FFT. Seriously, I was disappointed with the system of FFTA, things would have been better if they keep FFT job system which I think is perfect already.

B.K. Jan 19, 2007 12:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metal Sphere (Post 366665)
Oh shit, Mustadio's got motherfucking competition. Hell their last names are >< close to being the same as well.

Apparently, in Japanese, their last names ARE the same. I wonder if Mustadio is a descendant of Balthier.

Metal Sphere Jan 19, 2007 03:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eriol33 (Post 367584)
Man, reading this entire thread makes me want to buy PSP for the sake of playing FFT only. :(. But why PSP? why?? I really hope SE will port this to NDS instead of PSP. -__-

This isn't going to happen, that's for sure. I think after SE's done running through the Nintendo FFs (remakes, ports, etc...) they'll start on the later titles and start tossing them on Sony consoles. At least, that's how it looks at the moment.

And while FFTA was no where near FFT, the DS is still getting a new FFT, so they are even in that sense.

Edit: New shots of FFT, and revamped artwork. Definitely snagging these.

Xaekid Jan 19, 2007 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eriol33 (Post 367764)
There is no way I would compare FFTA with original FFT. Seriously, I was disappointed with the system of FFTA, things would have been better if they keep FFT job system which I think is perfect already.

While I definately agree that FFTA was not as good as the original, what I tried to say is that at least both systems are getting a "new" Tactics game each. Hence they are even.

And yeah, I'm hoping that FFTA2 will be a lot better than the first, system and story wise.

TetraShadow00 Jan 22, 2007 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by B.K. (Post 367766)
Apparently, in Japanese, their last names ARE the same. I wonder if Mustadio is a descendant of Balthier.

This was my point... in japanese Mistudio and Balthier DO have the same name... And it's the translator's decision of making it S/Z...

It really won't matter which they use in FFT:TLW... cuz the translator will probably be different...

And... Besides the confusing storyline of FFT...

FFT... does surpass FFTA in all aspects...

Does anyone know if the Onion knight has other abilities that differ from squire/chemist... (I mean the branching system)

Also... Did anyone use the "Job Point" -> "Job Mastery" cheat?
Y' think they'd have fixed that?

Ah, Um... FFT A2 is gonna about hu? JW...

Chip Jan 26, 2007 11:25 PM

Damn, reading all these up made it all clear to me :o Now my time is very much split between FFTA and FFXII :o

I never really enjoyed using Cloud in FFT x____x Is it just me? :o

Kaelin Jan 27, 2007 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chip (Post 373902)
I never really enjoyed using Cloud in FFT x____x Is it just me? :o

I didn't enjoy using him either.....he just seemed really average overall for a hidden character. I was hoping for a lot more when my friend who told me he was in the game stated he had his limit breaks and everything. If I'm remembering correctly, and I'm probably not since it's been so long since I last played the game, his limit breaks had charge times like normal casting spells and the problem with that was that it was too easy for his opponent to just leave the square he was targeting thus amounting to a big waste of time when he limit went off and there was nothing there to hit.

Omnislash124 Jan 27, 2007 09:07 AM

Damn.

Now I need a PSP too? Previously, I had no interest in the PSP at all, but if this proves to be true, I don't think I can hold myself. If only it were on the DS, life would have been good. Damnit Square, making me buy a PSP.

Chip Jan 27, 2007 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaelin (Post 374123)
I didn't enjoy using him either.....he just seemed really average overall for a hidden character. I was hoping for a lot more when my friend who told me he was in the game stated he had his limit breaks and everything. If I'm remembering correctly, and I'm probably not since it's been so long since I last played the game, his limit breaks had charge times like normal casting spells and the problem with that was that it was too easy for his opponent to just leave the square he was targeting thus amounting to a big waste of time when he limit went off and there was nothing there to hit.

I wonder if Square would take him out on the new one?

Omnislash124 Feb 1, 2007 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chip (Post 374164)
I wonder if Square would take him out on the new one?

That or at least make him a bit stronger. I mean, come on, you already have Orlandu, why couldn't Cloud be better? Cloud sucked balls in the original.

TetraShadow00 Feb 5, 2007 11:04 PM

Well, with the appearance of Balthier... I assume they would replace Cloud... since he isn't the hot new Final Fantasy "Icon" currently...

as FFVII was back then, FFXII is now...

Manny Biggz Feb 6, 2007 12:40 AM

We all know the only real reason to get Cloud is to get Beowulf, and the Dragon along the way.

TetraShadow00 Feb 8, 2007 01:27 AM

Huh?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Manny Biggz (Post 382451)
We all know the only real reason to get Cloud is to get Beowulf, and the Dragon along the way.

Refresh my memory... My party had all the secret characters... but... I think i'm forgeting something...

Can you tell me the "secret character" or the "special sprited" units...

Theres the siblings... mistudio, agrias, orlandu, ramza... and i think those are all you get by story...

Then there's Beowulf, Cloud, Dragoneer lady, Worker 8, am I missing people? It's been a while...

Omnislash124 Feb 8, 2007 07:29 AM

You forgot Rafa and Malak from the story.

EDIT: Oh, wait, the siblings....

Anyways, You really are missing Rad, Alicia, and Lavian. Oh, and Boco.

ADDITIONAL SPAM: Meliadoul(or however you spell it) was there too.

No. Hard Pass. Feb 23, 2007 04:58 PM

If anyone cares, Final Fantasy Tactics PSP is getting localized. It's available for preorder through EB games.

The Plane Is A Tiger Feb 23, 2007 05:08 PM

That's good to hear, although I would've been shocked if it wasn't localized. One step closer to forcing a PSP out of my wallet.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omnislash124 (Post 384689)
You forgot Rafa and Malak from the story.

He said the siblings, but he did leave out Meliadoul.

Omnislash124 Feb 23, 2007 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tritoch (Post 398648)
That's good to hear, although I would've been shocked if it wasn't localized. One step closer to forcing a PSP out of my wallet.



He said the siblings, but he did leave out Meliadoul.

Yeah, I might need to get a PSP now too. Damnit Square, why not everything on one system?

Yeah, I realized that after I read it again today.

I do consider Rad, Alicia, and Lavian Special characters as well as Boco. That brings us up to 15/16. There's one left and I can't remember who it is.

No. Hard Pass. Feb 23, 2007 05:17 PM

Have we mentioned the Dark Knight, yet? He's in your party for a few battles.

Final Fantasy Phoneteen Feb 23, 2007 07:27 PM

Gaff Gafgarion. He probably doesn't count.

eriol33 Feb 23, 2007 08:31 PM

No, not Gafgarion. But Byblos.

Xaekid Feb 28, 2007 01:33 AM

Quote:

Japanese retail sources have revealed updated release dates for several titles, including the PlayStation Portable version of Final Fantasy Tactics.

Gyakuten Saiban (Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney) 4, Capcom, DS, April 12th
Tengai Makyou (Far East of Eden) III: Namida - Best Version, Hudson, PlayStation 2, April 26th
Final Fantasy Tactics: Shishi no Sensou, Square Enix, PlayStation Portable, May 10th
Shining Wind, Sega, PlayStation 2, May 17th
Layton Kyouju to Akuma no Hako, Level 5, DS, TBA
Source: RPGFan

If this is true we might get this game by let's say... Fall?

Time to cross fingers.

Goubot Mar 1, 2007 11:51 PM

Square-Enix better not halfass this as they've done with some other ports. They have a pretty prime opportunity to make the game nigh perfect by fixing up the translation (and they've done it with the other games, which gives me some hope), and any new classes/characters or whatever is just icing.

At any rate, portable FFT is too good to pass up.

Metal Sphere Mar 14, 2007 06:22 PM

Wow, it looks like Final Fantasy Tactics: The Lion War will have multiplayer along with the other new stuff mentioned before (2 new jobs, Balthier, cutscenes, other things I'm forgetting):

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Famitsu reports that the PSP Final Fantasy Tactics remake has a long awaited feature, multiplayer battles. Before multiplayer matches start players can set up options like trap placement or entirely removing them from the field. When battles begin one side’s forces are highlighted red and the other side is blue so you don’t mistakenly hit your own squire. Something interesting to note is that multiplayer battles have a set number of turns. If both players fail to defeat each other after the turns run out the battle ends. This is probably a good to decision because a turn number forces players to fight and prevents people from running in circles with the bard’s “Move + 3” skill to avoid defeat.
http://www.siliconera.com/index.php/...-the-lion-war/

Xaekid Mar 14, 2007 10:12 PM

I wonder if there's a new character incoming. In a recent picture there's a small silhoutte besides Balthier. The kanji says "who is this character?"

Some people say it could be Llednar from FFTA. Could it be...?

Damn I want this game so much. I'm all over.

Metal Sphere Mar 14, 2007 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xaekid (Post 413434)
I wonder if there's a new character incoming. In a recent picture there's a small silhoutte besides Balthier. The kanji says "who is this character?"

Some people say it could be Llednar from FFTA. Could it be...?

Damn I want this game so much. I'm all over.

Wow, Xaekid, are you sure? That would be pretty crazy to bring someone from a completely unconnected game
FFTA:
(FFTA isn't real)
. BTW, one link's down and the other leads to some site.

No. Hard Pass. Mar 14, 2007 11:09 PM

Kind of looks like Ashley Riot from Vagrant Story to me.

Xaekid Mar 14, 2007 11:15 PM

Gonna host the pictures in my Photobucket account.

Silhoutte & Llednar

And yeah, I would agree that adding Llednar would be kinda weird but... who knows.

@Denicalis: That would rule. :D

Metal Sphere Mar 14, 2007 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xaekid (Post 413470)
Gonna host the pictures in my Photobucket account.

Silhoutte & Llednar

And yeah, I would agree that adding Llednar would be kinda weird but... who knows.

@Denicalis: That would rule. :D

Wow, so that's another secret playable character besides Balthier? Honestly, you can't really tell. The general look definitely clicks with Llednar, but it looks like whoever it is has one arm uncovered.

It could be Vaan, who knows.

Tuigi Mar 16, 2007 01:34 AM

hope they fix the bit whit Velius where they ask you to save BEFORE fighting him and he ends up killing all your team. So many games had to be redone because of that :(

Xaekid Apr 9, 2007 07:10 PM

Wooo the forum is back!

Anyway, new info and pictures, the new character was revealed. It wasn't Llednar after all but it's from FFTA (FFT A2 in this case)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...kid/up1086.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...d/fftpsp16.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5...4145232vr8.jpg

Scan, artwork for Luso and finally, the japanese box art.

Pokey Apr 9, 2007 10:16 PM

I really like the vibrancy of the japanese boxart, but it's just...too damn busy. Get rid of some job classes, put maybe one or two antagonists in place (Vormav, Weigraf, etc.) and, uh, put the entire centre focus for Ch.3 and 4 in there as well (Alma) and we have a winner.

Aside from that it's pretty good, sure beats out the old PSX boxart.

Jurassic Park Chocolate Raptor May 10, 2007 03:15 AM

So, apparently, it sucks mad, unadulterated balls.

Now which of you folks didn't see this coming from a mile away?

The Plane Is A Tiger May 10, 2007 03:26 AM

I was actually expecting this to turn out fine since it really should've been a simple port job. Didn't expect sound effects to get worse than the electric guitar grass flute, but arrows make beeping sounds now? What the hell. FFT just wouldn't be the same game without its glorious music either, so that's a major disappointment.

One less reason to look into buying a PSP in a few months, I suppose.

Jurassic Park Chocolate Raptor May 10, 2007 03:34 AM

Well, TOSE's games are such a toss up. Stuff they actually DEVELOP like Super Princess Peach, Rocket Slime and the GBC Game and Watches turns out pretty fucking awesome, but their hack port jobs always have something wrong with them. Lenneth, Chrono Trigger on the PS1, and Final Fantasy 4 on the GBA being among the worst of the bunch.

I guess if one thing can be said about FF4DS it's that it probably won't be broken as all get out, at least.

Rock May 10, 2007 05:13 AM

It's a shame you're probably better off playing the PSX original on your PSP than buying this port.

I'd still like to hear some more "official" reviews, though.

Inhert May 10, 2007 11:51 AM

since when everyone base their conclusion on one guy on some random board? >.>

Valkyrie profile, beside the little slowdown was a very good port, so I don,t see why FFT should be worst...

I guess I'll wait and see when the game will be release here...

No. Hard Pass. May 15, 2007 12:17 PM

FFT PSP to be released in NA

Now, we just have to wait and see how much they fucked it up by adding in Balthier and the million other changes they've made in order to use the best game they ever made to pimp their new games.

At the bare minimum they best fix the damn translation.

Inhert May 15, 2007 02:58 PM

the only thing that bother me is the quality of the port... I heard that there some slow-down... I don,t know how bad is it but I hope it's not too bad...

No. Hard Pass. May 15, 2007 03:19 PM

It's a turn-based tactics game. Who cares about slow down?

JazzFlight May 15, 2007 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Denicalis (Post 434164)
It's a turn-based tactics game. Who cares about slow down?

I certainly do.

I mean, just check these videos:
http://www.gamebrink.com/news/957-Fi...or_On_PSP.html
PSP version on Top, emulated version on bottom.

There's no sound for the knife coming through the ground anymore, and it takes about double the time. This is pretty much the case for ALL action animations. Ugh.

Sword Familiar May 15, 2007 03:34 PM

Wow, that sucks big time. Good thing I still have the original for the ps1.

No. Hard Pass. May 15, 2007 03:39 PM

Wow. The slowdown didn't bother me so much there, but fucking with the sound? O, that's just weak sauce that is. Good god, that translation best be fucking brilliant or I'm not touching a PSP purchase.

Luceid May 27, 2007 08:12 AM

I'm certainly a FFT fanboy, but not fucking stupid. That slowdown was annoying, very to tell the truth. If they don't fix this, and soon, the release of FFT for the PSP is gonna be a major dissapointment and failure. And if that happens, well, Square should lose a good portion of people, I'd say.

We'll see what my wallet says about this.

Xaekid May 31, 2007 08:54 PM

Well, I'm annoyed they managed to screw the game with those details. However, there are really cool new features and that'll have to do it for me.

I mean, I bothered to finish FFIV Advance... >_>

Lacerta May 31, 2007 09:56 PM

Some of the new items in the game can only be obtained by fighting against others, and since there is no Wi-Fi, that means you have to find a buddy with another copy of the game. Or I guess you can use that one program to fake it... what's it called... X-Link Kai?

The slowdown is annoying, but of course I bet S-E is probably going to just say "The game is running perfectly normal like any other PSP game" because it's making money due to the Final Fantasy name. The only hope is that this gets fixed in the US version. After a few hours though you will be more bothered by the sounds of the spells than the slowdown itself.

The sad thing is, even for those with hacked PSPs and running the game off the memory stick... the lag is exactly the same. None of the slowdown gets removed =o

The new arrangements for the CGI is nice, but the music and sounds are a turn off. It's of course the same stuff from the PSX version except TOSE decided it would be smart to remove the echo filters that added the realism to everything (and made it sound less choppy and retarded). The sad thing is it sounds worse through headphones than without.

So instead of sounding not like a MIDI, it sounds like a MIDI.

Xaekid Jun 3, 2007 01:00 PM

Quote:

(Reader Question) Are there any plans to fix the supposed slow down from the Japanese version of Final Fantasy Tactics: The War of the Lions?
Charlie: The slow down is not really bad, but what little there is in the game is out of our hands.
Source: RPGamer

Well... damn. >_>

Lacerta Jun 3, 2007 02:21 PM

This reminds me of that one e-mail someone had posted (In Japanese) from S-E that said the game was running just fine.

It seems now they have changed to "Well yeah the lag is there but we aren't going to do a damn thing about it."

It is funny because they have the pressure to fix all of the bugs in the game if they wanted to, no matter who it was that did this game (TOSE, or S-E themselves, or some other place that might have been outsourced), they just really do not want to because they know it is going to sell anyway. It might not sell to everyone like hotcakes, but it will sell to enough fanboys.

Forsety Jun 10, 2007 06:04 AM

Well, that was also addressed to the localization team not the development team and so when they say it's "out of our hands" I'm sure it has nothing to do with them being lazy but more like everything to do with them just being unable to do anything about it.

It is a shame... but FFT had such a bad translation that I could still see myself getting and enjoying the port if it was spruced up enough. Plus, based on everything I've been reading they did add a lot of extra stuff, including new battles with story segments for old characters. Definitely a plus, since that may help alleviate the awkwardness when guest characters join and suddenly fade from importance in the storyline.

Xaekid Jul 10, 2007 10:00 AM

*Xaekid starts casting Raise*

There have been some news lately, kinda weird nobody posted them. D:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v5.../fftboxart.jpg

According to Siliconera the american version of the game will retain almost the same boxart, hell, I would say that they even improved it.

RPG Land has some new english screenshots right here and finally...

Quote:

FINAL FANTASY TACTICS: THE WAR OF THE LIONS
Platform: PSP system
Genre: Tactical RPG
ESRB Rating: T (Teen)
Release Date: October 9, 2007

FINAL FANTASY XII: REVENANT WINGS
Platform: Nintendo DS
Genre: RPG
ESRB Rating: Not Yet Rated
Release Date: November 20, 2007
It's official.

Added FFXII Revenant Wings since it's part of Ivalice Alliance.

Xaekid Jul 31, 2007 11:16 PM

A taste of the new VA for cutscenes: http://www.us.playstation.com/Media/...=ILC-RSS-Media

Gah! I can't wait, 2 months more...

Black Mage Aug 1, 2007 06:30 AM

Wow, so instead of fixing the ridiculous slow down and sound issues, they spent all this time recording and adding voice acting to the previously unvoiced cutscenes? Looks like their priorities are in order.

As for the actual voices, they aren't too bad. I can't say any one of the characters sounds like I imagined though. Agrias was probably the closest to my "interpretation". Oh well.

Rotorblade Aug 1, 2007 06:35 AM

There is very little the localization team is going to be able to do about a shoddy port on the part of a Japanese company. They basically said it was out of their hands anyway.

Hindman Aug 1, 2007 09:03 AM

The only voice in that video that I had a problem with was Ramza's. Delita's could have been better, but I realize it also could have been worse.

Also, a very in-depth hands-on preview containing 3 (or 4) exclusive videos:
http://rpgland.com/games/fft/lionswar/preview.html

Slayer X Aug 1, 2007 09:18 AM

As long as the VO isn't as bad as Magna Carta, Baiten Caitos, or Tales of Symphonia I ain't gonna complain.

As for the port stuff. The guys at IGN had a hands-on with FF: Tactics -psp at the Final Fantasy anniversary party and they said that all the loading issues during spells and what have you have all been fixed.

Forsety Aug 1, 2007 09:24 AM

Wonderful news if true but I am still a tad skeptical. I guess we'll see.

The voice overs aren't bad. In fact, I rather like Agrias' voice but I think that new dialogue for Delita was supposed to replace "Blame yourself or God" so that sort of makes me ">:o". Oh well, still shaping up to be worth my money, especially if they fixed (or even just improved...) the lag issues.

Rotorblade Aug 1, 2007 09:30 AM

I think we can expect more changes to the dialogue, though I was hoping for that line. I did feel like my friend did upon playing Final Fantasy 6 Advance. "THAT'S NOT HOW IT WENT!"

I think I can live without "Blame yourself or God", considering the rest of the source material isn't exactly up to snuff.

Forsety Aug 1, 2007 10:18 AM

As much as I could complain, all things considered I entirely agree. The translation in the game for the most part was absolutely horrible so I can live without a few classic lines if it means cleaning up the rest of the poor dialogue in the process. :)

Nick Aug 3, 2007 11:47 AM

I actually like the cinematics. They look like the original art and the voice acting isn't bad. While I don't have a PSP I'll definitely be watching them some way or another when the game drops.

Jurassic Park Chocolate Raptor Aug 3, 2007 10:46 PM

This is old news, but I didn't see it in the thread here.

Anyone else picking up the FFT Trading Arts figures?

I'll be getting a box of 8, and I hope I get all 5, as unlikely as that is.

Nick Aug 4, 2007 12:55 AM

Wow, why is Balthier in there instead of Mustadio or Beowulf. :(

Jurassic Park Chocolate Raptor Aug 4, 2007 08:11 AM

Trading Arts lines usually have a secret/unannounced figure or two (or sometimes like the Ivory stuff from the Star Ocean/Radiata Stories set) that could very well be Moose or something. I don't know for sure and it's all speculation though.

I'd like a figure of him, though.

Xaekid Aug 25, 2007 01:40 PM

1up's preview about The War of the Lions:

Quote:

The Japanese version of the game sold respectably in May, but it suffered from a number of notable shortcomings. The most frustrating was the constant slowdown that plagued the battles; seemingly every small action caused the PSP to stutter briefly, and many visual effects (particularly those from magic spells) caused the game speed to slow to a crawl. The U.S. edition of the game doesn't completely smooth over these issues, but they've been dramatically reduced; now the technical issues are about on par with the minor slowdown exhibited in the PS1 release and are no longer distracting.
Sweet.

Quote:

Disappointingly, the one other technical flaw of the Japanese version hasn't been addressed: The game's sound still lacks the reverb of the PlayStation original, giving the excellent score by Hitoshi Sakimoto and Masaharu Iwata a slightly flat feel.
Not so sweet. :/

And finally, a little taste of the new localization:

Old
Quote:

You have a mission! As you know, barbarians are rapidly increasing here in Gallione. The traitorous Death Corps detest the royal family. We cannot overlook them. We will begin exterminating these traitors. By order of our Master. Larg's Knights stationed at Igros Castle and many other groups will participate. Your duty is to support the flank. Specifically, you'll go to Igros and help guard it.... Cadets, ready your swords! A gang of tortured thieves is trying to sneak into this town. We'll begin preparations now to keep them out of town! Come with me! This is the frontline of operations! That's all! Prepare immediately!
New
Quote:

The Order of the Northern Sky has an assignment for its knights apprentice. As I'm sure you're already aware, the number of brigands roaming Gallionne is on the rise. Among them, the Corpse Brigade... a seditious lot with a grudge against the Crown. Rogues such as they must be dealt with. The Order has been commanded to undertake an operation to eliminate the Brigade -- an operation of a grand scale. We will not be acting alone. The Order will be joined by, among others, His Excellency Duke Larg's royal guard, stationed at Eagrose. This will leave Eagrose Castle undermanned. Your task will be to proceed there, and support us from the rear by bolstering its defenses.... I've just received word that a band of thieves routed by our knights flees here to Gariland, seeking refuge. We will move to stop them, and finish the task of our brothers. You, young apprentices, will accompany us. This is but a squall before the storm of battle. Prepare yourselves at once! Dismissed!
Gah, October can't come fast enough.

Hindman Sep 8, 2007 11:02 AM

Oh hey English gameplay videos:
http://rpgland.com/movies/fftlionswarenglish1.mov - Blizzaja
http://rpgland.com/movies/fftlionswarenglish2.mov - Ifrit
http://rpgland.com/movies/fftlionswarenglish3.mov - healing

http://www.rpgland.com/content/media...tlionswar1.jpg
http://www.rpgland.com/content/media...tlionswar2.jpg
http://www.rpgland.com/content/media...tlionswar9.jpg
http://www.rpgland.com/content/media...tlionswar4.jpg

I haven't seen reports of the slowdown being reduced anywhere except 1Up, and that preview's been up for a while now. So I'm remaining cautiously optimistic.

Final Fantasy Phoneteen Sep 8, 2007 12:14 PM

Wow, it's jarring as hell to see the Hokuten referred to as the Order of the Northern Sky. And yes, I am aware that hokuten literally means "north heavens".

EDIT: What the fuck is with that button command? I don't remember that.

Lacerta Sep 8, 2007 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Generic Badass (Post 500931)
What the fuck is with that button command? I don't remember that.

There is a button input thing on multi-player battles to deal more damage against an opponent.

Not sure if that's the same thing in the screen though.

Xaekid Sep 8, 2007 02:20 PM

Checking the recently released videos, the slowdown is not as bad as the japanese version. However is not as good as the original version either.

And I think that sequence is when a character falls into a trap (that were previously set by your opponent in VS mode) you have to input it without mistakes in order to avoid being affected by the trap.

Metal Sphere Sep 8, 2007 03:02 PM

Anyone seen this scan yet? From what I've heard, Vaan and Penelo are going to show up in FFTA2.


Final Fantasy Phoneteen Sep 8, 2007 03:38 PM

I hadn't actually seen it, but Magicbox reported on it last week. I like the designs, and the fact that Vaan is wearing a real shirt now.

Rotorblade Sep 8, 2007 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Generic Badass (Post 500931)
Wow, it's jarring as hell to see the Hokuten referred to as the Order of the Northern Sky. And yes, I am aware that hokuten literally means "north heavens".

I see that even the noble order of the Internet cannot rid itself of... oh. So I suppose that Nanten knights would be "Southern Sky." I think it sounds better already, but that's because Hokuten and Nanten remaining in the original seemed so jarring to me considering the setting.

Looks like they're running with Balthier as a mentor for Vaan, which works well considering "lol wear a shirt, fag." I like the design, unfortunately I can't say the sprite styling of Tactics Ogre holds up well. The original Final Fantasy Tactics has me spoiled rotten, graphics wise.

That and I hate Final Fantasy Tactics Advance, but hey, honesty and stuff.

Hindman Sep 10, 2007 09:48 PM

A few FF Tactics A2 screens
http://www.rpgland.com/content/media...09/ffta291.jpg http://www.rpgland.com/content/media...09/ffta292.jpg
http://www.rpgland.com/content/media...09/ffta293.jpg http://www.rpgland.com/content/media...09/ffta294.jpg

Metal Sphere Sep 11, 2007 01:32 AM

Ah, looks like the Gria are the all female dragon race people were talking about. And the Seeqs look goofy, even moreso than they normally do anyway.

Xaekid Sep 28, 2007 01:12 PM

Final Fantasy Tactics A2 TGS 2007 Trailer:
YouTube - FINAL FANTASY TACTICS A2 - TGS 2007

Metal Sphere Sep 28, 2007 02:30 PM

Wow, that was pretty damn slick. I saw Scathe in there too, and on that note I have to say that the spell effects are much improved from the previous game. Looks like some more folks will be appearing in this one according to this scan:

Spoiler:

Xaekid Sep 30, 2007 08:49 AM

Well, what a pleasant surprise! I wasn't expecting to see Al-cid again, I kinda was expecting Montblanc (don't know why) though and it's nice to see him back.

I was browsing the official site the other day and got to check the jobs that will be available for each race.

Hume: Soldier, White Mage, Thief, Black Mage, Archer, Paladin, Fighter, Ninja, Illusionist, Blue Mage, Hunter, Samurai and finally, one more to be revealed.

Bangaa: Dragoon, Bishop, Warrior, White Monk, Defender, Gladiator, Templar, Master Monk, Cannoneer and one more.

Nu Mou: Beastmaster, Time Mage, White Mage, Black Mage, Illusionist, Sage, Alchemist, Arcane Mage and one more.

Viera: Fencer, Archer, White Mage, Sniper, Elementalist, Red Mage, Assassin, Summoner, Magic Fencer and Green Mage.

Moogle: Black Mage, Gunner, Animist, Thief, Mog Knight, Juggler, Gadgeteer, Time Mage, Chocobo Knight and Magic Gunner.

Seeq: Berseker, Ranger, Lanista and one more.

Gria: Hunter, Raptor, Bastard and one more.

Dark Nation Sep 30, 2007 10:48 AM

Just a quick/dumb Question: Tactics Advanced 2 IS for the DS right?

Metal Sphere Sep 30, 2007 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark Nation (Post 509811)
Just a quick/dumb Question: Tactics Advanced 2 IS for the DS right?

Yup, though I'm disappointed at the number of jobs for Seeqs and Gria. They'll have to be pretty fucking awesome jobs or else they'll be pretty useless compared to the others (and boring if they have one or two really good jobs, and the others are crap).

Final Fantasy Phoneteen Sep 30, 2007 11:07 AM

I don't even care if the jobs suck, I will use a Seeq.

Metal Sphere Sep 30, 2007 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Generic Badass (Post 509823)
I don't even care if the jobs suck, I will use a Seeq.

You sound just like me and Bangaas. Technically they suck badly compared to the other races in the first game, but I used one because I liked it. Otherwise I might as well make a team with nothing but Viera and Hume.

Rotorblade Sep 30, 2007 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Metal Sphere (Post 509201)
Looks like some more folks will be appearing in this one according to this scan:


Concerning a character in the this scan of yours:

Spoiler:
I have to say... Al-Cid as an NPC? Goddamn it I hope not, it'd be yet another waste of a good character. Hoping he's playable.

Metal Sphere Sep 30, 2007 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rotorblade (Post 509855)
Concerning a character in the this scan of yours:

Spoiler:
I have to say... Al-Cid as an NPC? Goddamn it I hope not, it'd be yet another waste of a good character. Hoping he's playable.

Spoiler:
It looks like he is, though it might just be the computer controlling him for those battles (I know, I know it's unlikely). Hopefully you can have him join just like the special characters in FFTA. Looks like he'll be a Hume gunner or have some exclusive skills based on firearms.

Dark Nation Oct 1, 2007 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Metal Sphere (Post 509819)
Yup, though I'm disappointed at the number of jobs for Seeqs and Gria. They'll have to be pretty fucking awesome jobs or else they'll be pretty useless compared to the others (and boring if they have one or two really good jobs, and the others are crap).

Thanks for confirming. I kinda got mixed up on which of the Ivalice Alliance games were for the DS or for the PSP.

Speaking or Races, Given that there was a 'new' race in Revenant Wings (Those Winged People as seen in the Scans), I wonder if they'll throw one of them into TA2?

Also,
Spoiler:
Al-Cid as playable or even as an NPC in your Party is a welcome addition and yet another reason to pick this up in the future :D

Metal Sphere Oct 1, 2007 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark Nation (Post 510264)
Thanks for confirming. I kinda got mixed up on which of the Ivalice Alliance games were for the DS or for the PSP.

Speaking or Races, Given that there was a 'new' race in Revenant Wings (Those Winged People as seen in the Scans), I wonder if they'll throw one of them into TA2?

Also,
Spoiler:
Al-Cid as playable or even as an NPC in your Party is a welcome addition and yet another reason to pick this up in the future :D

Possibly, but the chances of having one of those from a race that hasn't been covered like the Gria and Seeqs are kinda low. Which gets my mind thinking of crazy unlockables like new races in secret areas.

Spoiler:
Damn, seems like in most places where I've put up that scan and the news, people go crazy over Al-Cid. Didn't know he had so many fans, though that could be folks who think he should've had more than 2 or 3 scenes in the game.

http://i20.tinypic.com/5djugx.jpg

Now I'm wondering if we might see some folks from the previous game, or at least references to them.

Rotorblade Oct 1, 2007 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Metal Sphere (Post 510303)
Possibly, but the chances of having one of those from a race that hasn't been covered like the Gria and Seeqs are kinda low. Which gets my mind thinking of crazy unlockables like new races in secret areas.

Spoiler:
Damn, seems like in most places where I've put up that scan and the news, people go crazy over Al-Cid. Didn't know he had so many fans, though that could be folks who think he should've had more than 2 or 3 scenes in the game.

http://i20.tinypic.com/5djugx.jpg

Now I'm wondering if we might see some folks from the previous game, or at least references to them.

Regarding secret character again:

Spoiler:
A strong point in the Ivalice games, at least with Tactics, Vagrant Story, and XII, is that there are always a strong supporting cast of characters. Al-Cid really was well done in the XII, and I felt that his character would have benefited the game with more of a presence. I love the robust worlds we see in this whole project, though. My disdain for Tactics Advance aside.

Dark Nation Oct 1, 2007 02:40 PM

Spoiler:
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though that could be folks who think he should've had more than 2 or 3 scenes in the game.
That would be most fans I'd guess, including myself. I really do feel though, even with my fan-glasses off, that Al-Cid's role was too short in the game and he should have had at least a few more scenes, if not showing a bit of Rozzaria in the process. Oh well... perhaps his limited appearance was due to the team shuffle-up and the main producer getting sick? (IIRC The game was delayed half-way due to some Team Management situations or something)


Also @ Rotorblade: Tactics Advance took place in a 'fantasy' Ivalice, so its not Canon to the normal universe, where-as Tactics Advance 2 IS in the same universe, with of course the bonus characters and Cameos of which their Canonical Stature can be ignored at one's leisure.

Peter Oct 1, 2007 02:42 PM

Spoiler:
Where do you guys see that he'll be a NPC? He does have a unique job, Agent, and its abilities will be geared towards supporting the female members of your party (Reception and Escort), but this doesn(t mean that he isn't playable during the game, much like Agrias and Orlandu had unique jobs.


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