Holy SHIT. UCLA student tazer'd by police for not showing ID -- VIDEO INCLUDED
 

http://dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=38958

HERE IS THE YOUTUBE VIDEO

HOLY SHIT.

This is why I love cops. :)

This is why I hate cops.

Wow, just wow. Stuff like this makes me wonder how humanity has gone on for so long.

Police brutality FTL. He was leaving, there's no need to grab him and Taser him.

I love how the guy brought the Patriot Act into this.

Also, the comments on the video on YouTube are hilarious, from both sides of the argument.

And from people like this:

Then again guys... It's Los Angeles. Police beatdowns are like souvenirs down there.

Ya, that's stupid. Horrid abuse of power, but this line: "Here's your Patriot Act, here's your fucking abuse of power," kind of makes me glad he got tasered. Ten gets you twenty that this fucker was wearing a Che shirt.

I don't understand the mentality of the cops over there. If someone isn't willing to cooperate, talk with them. You shouldn't have to hurt them or scare them into giving information out against their will. It goes against everything you've been told as a kid.

The police were in the wrong. I'm sure talking with the student would have resolved the issue. He wasn't a threat, and he shouldn't have been tased over something so trivial. Period.

To be fair, he was being tazered fo no reason. That's enough to make anyone pretty fucking angry.

Double Post:
http://cbs2.com/local/local_story_319101652.html

More information here.

Hey, I guess that validates the unnecessary use of the Taser, right?

Watching that made me physically sick to watch. What I'm wondering is, was he refusing to stand up, or was he physically unable to stand up because of all the electrocutions?

This is one of the reasons i'm glad i'm no longer in the states. American cops are the lowest of the low.

*tazer*
Get up
*tazer*
stop struggling
*tazer*
He's not getting up
Tazer him again. . . .

I love how someone asked for their information

I want your badge number
come any closer and i'll tazer o-o

Friend linked me to this a few minutes ago, and lo and behold a thread already here.

I didn't really feel bad for the guy when I initially watched the video. After reading the article and finding out why the dude was getting tasered, a teeny bit of sympathy wedged it's way into my heart-meat. It was clearly an abuse of power, but I kind of understand where the administration was coming from. That doesn't exactly warrant shocking a student with a taser, but maybe punching him in the nuts or something?

http://dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=38960

More information about this.

According to the article above, that's ILLEGAL. There better be some fucking investigations or some shit.

Those tazers got some long batteries, damn!

Well, presuming they are using standard rechargeable batteries, which probably hold a charge of up to 1000mA (1 ampere) though reading the Wikipedia article on Tasers it is likely they use a 9V battery too. Since a shock of 2.1-3.6mA is sufficient for "stunning" it's likely those batteries could go for a VERY long time without fully discharging.

There couldn't be any possible way to look the student up in a database? What a flagrant abuse of power by the police.

That is why I hate cops who abuse their power.

Yes, because AMERICAN cops make people disappear from their houses over night and they're never seen alive again. AMERICAN cops are the physical threat behind a political wing that serves only as a private murder corps. Jesus, Iwata, you're exaggerating just a little there. Some American cities have a reputation for police brutality, but nothing that can compare to countries you're currently very close to, mate.

Yeah, keep in mind, this is in LA. Rodney King hello.

Edit: Also, lol China. It's actually possible to abduct someone in the middle of the night like that in the US if you do enough paperwork. It's a shit load of paperwork though.

I GOT AN F ON MY PHYSICS EXAM! DAMN PATRIOT ACT!

SERIOUSLY

Guys, I think you're overlooking one crucial point here. This is LOS ANGELES. People here in California are savages but in Los Angeles they're cannibals. UCLA may be a "prestigious" university but that doesn't mean that the students don't know how to properly initiate violence at the drop of a hat. Trust me on this. If the police took action on the guy there's a good chance that it's one of the pricks I've run into on my numerous visits to the campus who are a little too militant for their own good.

Japan, buddy. They don't need to kidnap you in the middle of the night in China since their capital punishment policy gives the law enforcement pretty much supreme authority.

In Russia, you could dissapear anytime & anywhere :)
Thank gods Finland is "the least corrupted country", even with our neighbour.
Please don't move here.

I'll say it again. Rodney King.

Didn't they revise (or are in the process of revising) that policy? I was hearing a lot about it on NPR a while ago, but I don't think I heard about the conclusion to the issue.

Notice how Deni said countries "close to you". gb2/reading/

I'm sorry if I want to try and inject humor into the thread.

Last I checked capital punishment was still a pretty standard procedure in China, but it's been about a while since I last heard of someone actually getting executed.

I hope that kid sues for a lot

Looking at a name like that, cops must have thought he was working for terrorists.

Good work cops. You're doing our country PROUD! BEAT THOSE TERRORISTS![/sarcasm]

Actually, nobody does. That shit is stupid and petty and nobody honestly cares.

Oh god, so many of the assholes from my High School go to USC, it's not even funny.

Yeah, but USC is nothing BUT assholes. :/

I know a few people who've mysterously vanished from society after an altercation with Humboldt county sheriffs and their infamous night raids. I dare your ass to travel to garberville and fuck with the police there. I've even had a friend tazed and arrested at Folsom street Fair by a chick cop simply because he yelled at a dude getting arrested by that cop that his " situation sucked ".

My opinion on police forces are based on personal experience and i've been to HK and mainland china and the cops didn't seem half that bad. Yes, i know that the Chinese have mobile death vehicles and trample over peoples civil rights all the time, but i've never experienced it and you also have to take into account that China has nearly 4 times the amount of people then america does.

Wait, so because China has more people, it's ok for them to have "mobile death vehicles and trample over people's civil rights?" And dude, just cause you haven't experienced it, doesn't mean that it's ok.

How is Deni right about everything in this thread?! Unbelievable.

You've never experienced police brutality in China.

You've experience police brutality in America.

Therefore, police are more brutal in America.

QED.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

I never said it was ok or good for what they are doing. I'm vehemently opposed to all forms of capital punishment. I'm simply saying that before you use China as an example for police brutality, you need to take into account that they have 1 billion more people then america. As it is guranteed that if America had the population of China, they would have equal capital punishment and police violence rates as China does nowadays.

It isn't a fair argument to say one country is far more brutal then another when the countrys in question have a population gap that nearly exceeds the 1 billion mark.

So, Iwata, since you obviously know... How high does the population have to be in order to justify the type of police violence that the Chinese use?

I fail to see how the level of population is a factor in the ethical question of police brutality.

The vid is disgusting. Nothing more than a bunch of cops pissed off that they didn't go to college. Why couldn't they be elsewhere fighting some crime... I'm sure there's a meth lab somewhere that they could be busting up.

Don't you mean "blowing up?" After all, after this incident, that's probably an equivalent amount of police force required for breaking up a meth lab.

Too true! If it requires 8 guys tazering the hell out of a kid to get him to leave the library, I'd hate to see what happens if you get pulled over for a speeding ticket.

I'd bet if you keep books overdue from that library, those dudes will give you the chair.

When someone tries to use china's use of capital punishment as a reason why china's police force is more brutal then america's. Population is a huge factor to take into account when discussing such things like capital punishment and using it to gauge the brutality of the police force.

That video disturbed me. And I felt so bad for the students, who were visibly upset. And I can't believe when that one guy in the white shirt was talking to the police officer and trying to reason with him (albeit angrily, which is understandable) and ask for his badge number, the officer threatened to tazer him.

What IS tazering, exactly? Clearly it hurts a lot... That was such a disturbing video. Though... why the HECK would the student not leave after being put through that much pain? Was he not physically able to? And weren't some people offering to carry him out and the police refused?

So disturbing. But it's almost kind of cool how the students got together into a mob and a few stepped forward and started yelling at the cops. Clearly they couldn't jump them or anything, or all of 'em would get tazered.

A Taser is a "less-lethal" weapon which delivers a minor electric shock to someone through a dart or pair of darts (small suckers) attached to wires. They have a trigger to allow the user to deliver the shock, which is usually just enough to incapacitate ("stun") the victim.

A tazer is a gun-like apparatus that fires dart-like electrodes that basically elecrocute the reciever of these darts with a certain amount of voltage that incapacitates the victim for a period of time.

Having talked to various victims of tazers, getting tazed takes away all your sense of balance. So you really can't stand up at all for at least 5-10 minutes after the last voltage charge you're body recieved.

It's actually the amperage that does the trick, not the voltage.

Yeah I was being sarcastic. Cops like this are the worst, and the main reason people hate the police.

Also.
In 2004, China performed 3400 executions, accounting for 90% of executions worldwide. Last I checked, China didn't account for 90% of the world's population.

While China does not have 90% of the world's population, 34000 executions is small in comparison to its population. Singapore actually has the largest executions per population size.

And topic, god that video fucking creeped me out.

Still, compare that to the 50 the US executed in 2005. The ratio of executions to population isn't even close. If I'm not mistaken, the US has one of the highest execution rates in the world, too.

Although the U.S prison system currently is over-packed and funding is sparse. if the U.S had to take on extra 1 billion citizens, all the 3,370 inmates on death row currently, wouldn't be alive for more then two days.

China may not have 90% of the world population, yet they are the largest country in the world by 200,000 million people with 1.3 billion citizens unlike the U.S's tiny population of 300 million.

Now lets take a look at the number of incarcerated prisoners within each country.

US - 1,962,220 criminals
China - 1,428,126 criminals

If the U.S had to take on an extra billion citizens, it is easy to gurantee that the capital punishment would reach the current numbers that china are showing, if not higher.

This seems irrelevent, because China never magically took on 1 billion extra people.

As for the video, it was kind of disturbing to watch. I had a feeling the kid was trying to prove a point to the police and not fully cooperating, but not to the point where a taser was anywhere near necessary.

It reminds me of what I saw around here when Michigan State's basketball team lost in March of 2005. After the game, a lot of students were leaving to head home, and police were already lining the streets. They shot off tear gas into crowds to prevent riots from starting, which effectively huddled students into bigger crowds, where more teargas was dispensed. Police then yelled for people to go home while filling paths home with teargas.

As wrong as the cops were, I can't help but think how much better off that guy would have been if he didn't pull that Ghandi shit. If that happened at a LA high school someone would have probably pulled out a gun or started a riot. Is there not a law in California that allows the citizen's arrest of anyone committing a criminal act?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizen...#United_States

What does that have to do with this, though?

Chief of Police,
Karl T. Ross

kross@ucpd.ucla.edu

I don't know about you but I feel we should send all send him an email with our thoughts.

Double Post:
http://www.ucpd.ucla.edu/ucpd/contact.html

Sorry for the DP, wanted to add that.

How was he doing anything criminal?

Also isn't the function of a taser to constrict someone's ability to effectively control their muscles (IE: running away, etc) for a period of time (~15 minutes) so they can can make an arrest more peaceful? So isn't tasering him, then asking him to stand up immediately after, say a little, counterproductive? Basically they started the tasering when a police grabbed him, and now they're commenting that he "resisted arrest" when he refused to stand up after the fact.

Something tells me these guys were just trigger happy, panicked and in the heat of the moment, when adrenaline pumping, handled the following situation very badly. Also by the name of the guy, he seems of Middle Eastern descent (my own assumption) so that probably played a role as well.

HE'S A TERRORIST. ZAP HIM.

This reminds me of an incident which occurred here just last week.

Derek Hale, a 25 year old marine veteran who served two tours in Iraq and had no arrest record, was sitting on the stoop of a rowhouse down in the city talking to a woman and her two children. It was somewhat cold that day, so he was wearing a hoodie with his hands in both pockets. Suddenly, an unmarked black SUV and an unmarked sedan pull up in front of him and six uniformed officers get out. They all point their weapons at him and demand that he place his hands over his head.

Before Hale is able to comply, one of the officers tazers him. He immediately begins to convulse and his right hand comes out of his pocket, shaking violently. After the first tazer pulse ends, officer again shout order for Hale to put his hands over his head. His body still shaking, officers tazer Hale a second time. He slumps over and vomits to his left while convulsing.

Bear in mind that at this point no officer has made any attempt to approach Hale in order to physically restrain him. Bystanders are appalled at what is occurring. One shouted at the officers that their actions were 'overkill'. The police told him to "shut [...] up, or they'd show him overkill."

After the second pulse ends, Hale rights himself. He is tazered a third time. Violently shaking, both Hale's hands are now visible. He begins to lean forward when the nearest officer decides that Hale is now an immediate lethal threat and puts three rounds of .40 S&W into his chest, killing him instantly. In his pockets they found pepper spray and a swiss army knife.

When asked if Hale ever threatened the officers at the scene, Master Sgt. Steven Elliot replied "In a sense, when he did not comply with their commands..."

Wow. I guess not complying with officer's instructions when they are pumping 50,000 peak Voltage through your body warrants three rounds in the chest. Nothing short of completely fucked up.

I went and looked up the news story for this.

Jesus christ, just reading that has me feeling incredibly furious. They murdered that man in cold blood. And they're all going to get away with it too. You know, cop brotherhood, good old boy network, that sort of thing. It just makes me sick to my stomach.

Devil's advocate: for every 1 bad cop or story of police stupidity, there's probably 500 positive stories out there.

I know, but the bad ones just seem to stick out so horribly, especially cases like this.

Those numbers are irrelvant to the discussion of capital punishment. Not everyone in prison gets executed. The US justice system has far, far too many people, and we have one of the largets prison popluations in the world.. Boo fucking hoo.

That still doesn't have anything to do with capital punishment.

Devil's advocate 2: and there are also infinite different ways of telling the same story.

One of my best friends is a cop, and it helps a lot understanding how complicated some cases are. When it fucks up, it's rarely entirely blamable on an individual of either sides.

As for the video, it was disturbing indeed, but we couldnt see shit. The question of wether or not he was actually able to get up or not is crucial, there.

I was just about to post something similar. There ARE cases of abuse of power and police brutality, but I for one greatly appreciate the service policemen do for us everyday.

The video was disturbing, but I have no idea what happened before. I have a feeling the kid was giving the police a hard time before he was tazered. Probably not enough to warrent the tazering, but I doubt he was being delightful and fully compliant with them.

The victim looks like he's in a computer lab or a library. Why not knock the freaking cop out. He's loud and obviously has some sense of hostility. I'd of gone for it. Knock the cop onto the floor, get the tazer, take him back to the hippie days. Would of been fairly easy too. The cop notices he's getting surrounded by a crowd, a sense of uneasiness would be the only tool that victim needed. Because, the cop would be thinking:

"What if I get ganged up on? Can I report them all? I don't know all of them. This guy is loud. I wanted to see your ID buddy, but noooo. Who do you think I am? Uh oh, more people."

Hahaha too bad there were like 8 cops.

Pretty disturbing video. I'm not sure about what to think about this though. I mean there seems to be a vital part missing. When the guy who filmed this got up because of the screaming, we already saw the dude lying on the floor. I'd like to know why he got tazered because that's not in the video.

What they did by asking for his badge number was probably the smartest thing they could have done. If I'm not mistaken, an officer must produce his badge number when asked. After that, it's a simple matter of showing the video to the right people, and this asshole would go down.

What part of serve and protect don't those thugs understand? I didn't see a single person who enjoyed that little show! Well, besides the lucky fuzzball who got to show off his shiny new Lawgiver 3000...

"Hey, fellas! Lookiee here! I'm a RoboCop!"
"Doug, you God damned nerd."
"Here man, ya gotta try it!"
"Whoa, cool! Hey look! I'm Luke Skymaster!"

It's times like this that YouTube really comes in handy. Somethin' tells me the right people are gonna see this video. Just a hunch. :P

Wow, that video was extremely disturbing for me. Plus, what was even more infuriating was the ways that these particular cops handled this situation.

I don't know too much about cops in America, but based on the replies that I've read here, they were certainly in the wrong for using the excuse that this particular guy was such a threat to society (by not showing ID and on his way out of the building) that he deserved being shocked multiple times to the point that he was physically unable to walk.

I was wondering what this is about, since one of my distant friends just invited to be on a facebook group which was something like "those who are disgusted by the UCLA's actions". At first, I thought it was pretty weird to get this out of the blue, but this is terrible!