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Andrew Evenstar Nov 8, 2006 11:12 AM

Final Fantasy V Advance
 
I don't believe we have a thread on this just yet.

Anyone get it yet, first impressions? I've been busy with work & school but I will get this soon.

I really hope there is no battle lag or battle glitches. I should go buy this today. Final Fantasy V in my opinion is the most underrated of the series.

http://gameboy.ign.com/objects/774/774642.html
http://www.gamefaqs.com/portable/gba...ta/930369.html

Mojougwe Nov 8, 2006 12:13 PM

Battle lag and battle glitches? Do you mean loading times? Because, unless you can play this online in an active network, then I don't think such things exist..... Not on a DS.

Forsety Nov 8, 2006 12:31 PM

No, FFIV advanced had lag and "double turns" glitches in battles. Well, the American/Japanese versions did anyway. Surprisingly, they really did fix it for the European version.

Anyway, As far as I can tell, FFV does not have any of these problems. The worst thing I've noticed so far is that if you skip through menus too quickly the sound might pop. Everything else seems to be just as it should be.

Borg1982 Nov 8, 2006 01:23 PM

What do you mean by double turns?

Yeah i hated the lag though... FF1 GBA was a perfect remake, at least.

Cellius Nov 8, 2006 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forsety
No, FFIV advanced had lag and "double turns" glitches in battles.

Definitely. I hated that.
I didn't even realize V was out already.

Xaekid Nov 8, 2006 02:17 PM

Gonna buy it next week along with III. Hopefully.

Lost_solitude Nov 8, 2006 02:20 PM

meh VI is better worth waiting for.

Borg1982 Nov 8, 2006 05:33 PM

So what is the double turn glitch then?

ALSO: Does anyone have the Europe release ROM for this? I'd love to load up a quest and see how much better it is.

Forsety Nov 8, 2006 05:58 PM

Sometimes after getting a turn, the same character will immediately get another turn. It's uh, awkward.

Just go to the site Dgemu and search for the game, you can get the European version there. It isn't as though it's tremendously better, just that it's the experience I assume they were shooting for to begin with. Aka, less glitchy. They also fixed Yangs hp growth so it doesn't just stop around 6000. =P

jb1234 Nov 8, 2006 06:21 PM

I've played the first hour of FFV Advance. Like the original, it's a lot of fun and the translation is the best I've seen so far. Finally, an FF where I look forward to talking to every townsperson.

Like FFIV Advance, the difficulty has been dumbed down (at least in the beginning) and the characters gain levels like crazy. All the glitches in FFIV Advance are non-existant.

TheKnightOfNee Nov 9, 2006 01:18 AM

I played the Playstation/Final Fantasy Anthologies version of FF5, and I must say, it has been my favorite in the series since then. I 'm glad to hear those dumb FF4 Advance glitches are gone. And jb1234, what do you mean by the difficulty being dumbed down? Which version is this compared to?

Rydia Nov 9, 2006 01:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jb1234
I've played the first hour of FFV Advance. Like the original, it's a lot of fun and the translation is the best I've seen so far. Finally, an FF where I look forward to talking to every townsperson.

Like FFIV Advance, the difficulty has been dumbed down (at least in the beginning) and the characters gain levels like crazy. All the glitches in FFIV Advance are non-existant.

That's disappointing. I would have liked to experience the original difficulty again. It took me quite a while to gain levels in FFV.

Andrew Evenstar Nov 9, 2006 02:00 AM

Yeah what the heck. why is it less difficult? FFV is by far the hardest and most challenging of the series!

That's good they fixed glitches though.

I went to target today, they didn't have it in stock :/

jb1234 Nov 9, 2006 02:50 AM

Quote:

And jb1234, what do you mean by the difficulty being dumbed down? Which version is this compared to?
I'm comparing it to the original SNES release. Basically, I gained five levels in ten minutes, beat the first boss with utterly no problems and I haven't come close to being defeated in any of the battles I've had so far (just past the ship graveyard).

That's not the FFV I remember.

However, just to make sure that nostalgia isn't clouding my judgement, I'm going to stick in the Anthology version and see if it's any different.

Conan-the-3rd Nov 9, 2006 03:14 AM

If my memory serves right, the levels wern't all that important, it was the job levels that served more of a issue

jb1234 Nov 9, 2006 03:25 AM

Huh. Color me wrong. The PSX version of FFV (which should be identical to the SNES) version is quite easy in the beginning as well. Of course, remembering FFV, it gets much harder midway through. I was never able to beat it.

Forsety Nov 9, 2006 12:24 PM

FFV is always easy at the start. I never bother to start leveling at all until I get some job classes, and it's never difficult to manage.

Soldier Nov 9, 2006 04:07 PM

I need confirmation on this.



And this.

Spoiler:
Quote:

Gilgamesh: "Enough expository banter!
Now we fight like men! And ladies!
And ladies who dress like men!
For Gilgamesh...it is morphing time!"


I was saving to buy this at a later time, but this is almost enough to make me purchase it right now.

jb1234 Nov 9, 2006 04:38 PM

I can't confirm either of those two but I honestly wouldn't be surprised. The translation so far is filled with witty dialog and cultural references.

CuteChocobo Nov 10, 2006 09:07 AM

As jb1234 said, I was suprised at this translation of FFV. I find the dialogues more 'bad-assed' and 'cool'... I would believe that the quote by Soldier actually exists. Haven't got that far yet, but let see how I go~ I will post it if I find them ^ ^

Just a question for those who had played PSX version and this GBA version. Is there any dialogue difference? Is the original this witty?

^-^ Nov 10, 2006 09:32 AM

Well, going from SOLDIER's comment, yeah. Some of the dialogue is different, but not vastly different.

Conan-the-3rd Nov 11, 2006 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SOLDIER
I need confirmation on this.

Spoiler:
Image deltacoed for massive damage


And this.

Well, I remember there being some write up for FFIII DS' fighter class that has a simmialr text.
4chan was haveing a gafaww about it.

benuneko Nov 12, 2006 06:31 PM

I'm probably going to go out and grab V and III this week. Hooray! =]

Spatula Nov 12, 2006 07:57 PM

Ya know, I had no intention of getting this FFV anytime soon, but thanks to "Mr Mucknugget the snack eating by Moogles", he pointed out a misprint in a Walmart ad, showing the game was for $16.88. Hell yes. It turns out they were sold out. So needless to say, I got it the flyers and got Best Buy to match the price. Win. I like how this is a great way to get more FF action whilst not near my PS2. When's III coming out? Hope for another misprint!

^__^ Cheap Bastard.

Mucknuggle Nov 12, 2006 08:00 PM

I think that FFIII comes out this month. I saw some GameFAQs losers orgasming over it while I was there this morning. I too hope for WalMart to continue with the misprints (or any store really).

Eclipse Nov 14, 2006 08:56 PM

I was just playing it this weekend, and got to the part after North Mountain in the first world (it's not that far). BUT I just realized I missed the world map, which was supposed to be in a chest? in the ship graveyard. Is there anyway I can get it again or do I have to restart?

Forsety Nov 14, 2006 09:50 PM

It's not in a chest, it's on a table inside one of the ships. You can go back anytime you want, or you can wait until the fire powered ship and get it there. (also on a table in the ship-like area before the actual dungeon parts)

Omnislash124 Nov 14, 2006 09:55 PM

Hmm...At least it's not the atrocity that is Final Fantasy Anthology with the inexcusable load times. Final Fantasy V wasn't my favorite in the series (FFVI was, followed by FFIV, and then FFIX) but it's worth looking at. Are they plainning on bringing the entire FF series onto handheld? Because if they are, I wouldn't mind buying all of them. (Yes, I am a Final Fantasy fanboy).

Hachifusa Nov 15, 2006 02:06 AM

This game is keeping me from FFXII, another awesome game this month. What is this, Square Enix? You're actually producing a lot of solid games for me to add to my collection.

Anyway, the game is clean, there is no loading times, of course, but there is some slight lag, but it's nothing really to whine about. The translation, of course, is incredible - and ripe with cultural references.

A scholar in Walse was telling me that Shiva was locked up in a dungeon somewhere there - "but don't take my word for it: take a look, it's in this book!" I was shocked that they threw a damned Reading Rainbow nod in there, but it's pretty hilarious.

I've met a few others, and I found that the dialogue is a lot more laid-back, and therefore, more real. The characters also have more character: Galuf is more "himself" (an old man) and Faris now talks like a pirate for real - in other words, she doesn't say "yarr" and whatnot, but there's a toughness to her speech that I always assumed she spoke with.

I must say that this was not a wasteful purchase.

Omnislash124 Nov 15, 2006 08:16 AM

So the translations of the names have changed again? I think the original, it was Worus, in the Anthology, it was Walz, now it's Walse? Also I saw that it was a Gladiator in a previous snapshot....Anthology listed it as Beserker. Whatever, I'm just curious as to exactly how much they changed. I might have to get Final Fantasy III (DS), Final Fantasy IV Advance (GBA), and Final Fantasy V Advance (GBA). Damn, I need some non-RPG titles for my DS....

Forsety Nov 15, 2006 03:07 PM

No, gladiator is a new class made especially for the GBA version. The berserker class is in both. Totally different.

Omnislash124 Nov 15, 2006 03:43 PM

Really? Awesome, so they actually added new stuff into the game. I'm definitely getting it now. Along with FFIII and FFIV Advance.

Spatula Nov 17, 2006 02:52 PM

Holy shit. Is Faris a woman. This is the first time I'm playing FFV with a bit more motivation than the emulated versions, so yeah.

Sir VG Nov 17, 2006 03:31 PM

Quote:

Is Faris a woman
Spoiler:
Yes. Bartz and Galuf are a couple perverts too.

Spatula Nov 19, 2006 03:20 AM

Galuf, that sly dog. I'm just running around on the ghost ship graveyard now, not much happening.

Plarom Nov 20, 2006 08:23 PM

I remember the first time I discovered Faris was a woman. It was one of my most joyous moments in my video game history! :edgartpg:

I played this game years ago, and it was by far one of my favorite unreleased RPG for SNES. I've never fully completed any FF game so I figured I'd start now. I was shooting for a 100% bestiary and a complete Blue magic list.. Until I later realized I missed 1 monster in Karnak Castle.

Would you, the HARDCORE GAMER, start an entire new game just for a single monster in your bestiary? I also missed learning Level 5 Death and Level 4 Gravity, however I don't know if I can learn that in other worlds or not..

Forsety Nov 21, 2006 11:53 PM

There is a place near endgame where you can learn every single blue magic spell, so don't worry about that.

Spatula Nov 22, 2006 02:15 AM

Hey, what's the best way for the guys to learn their jobs? I keep switching them around so they can be well rounded, but what's the highest job level? I'm guessing it's 8 since that's how it's like in FFT, but that's that game, and this is FFV, which means there can easily conceivably be differences.

So should I keep switching jobs from one to the next or keep them solid job until they max out that job?

Forsety Nov 22, 2006 02:44 AM

Max job level varies from job to job. Berserk for instance only has 2 jobs, whereas knights have 6. One of the better places early on is probably the caves with the skull eaters; but there are better spots later on (Castle Baal's basement with level 5 death works wonders).

Also, by the time you reach the end of the game, there are infact enemies that can give upwards of 199 AP per battle, so if you are only mastering certain jobs for the sake of mastering them; you can just wait and do it endgame. Focus on the ones you want to use and mix-match skills that way.

CuteChocobo Nov 22, 2006 03:09 AM

Hmm, dunno if its just me or are the monsters are bit tougher this time round?
I remember playing it on the PSX version where the fights are easier.

I have to admit you can level up faster on GBA, but still doesn't change the fact that the fights seems to be harder and harder now -_-"

As for my fav build is to get every character to get "Two Hand" ability of Ninja, then deviate from there :) Where do I get the new class shard? (still can't find it)

Hachifusa Nov 23, 2006 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CuteChocobo
Where do I get the new class shard? (still can't find it)

It depends entirely on where you're at in the game...

CuteChocobo Nov 23, 2006 09:52 AM

I am up to the part where
Spoiler:
the perverted old fart just went back to his era... and I am trying to restore the powers in each meteor so I can go to alternate worlds!


I think I have already gotten majorities of the classes, only the "one new class" that I can seem to find. Do you get that later in the game or have I missed it?

Hachifusa Nov 23, 2006 05:47 PM

If you're talking about Mime, which was the original "final class", then don't sweat it; you have a lot farther to go. If you're talking about the new classes, then I have no idea, as I am actually farther behind than you are in Advance. However, I imagine that the new classes will be around the same time as you get Mime, which, as I said, is very much a late-game class.

And yes, they give the majority of classes early on; you basically have them all (minus Mime+Advance Jobs) at this point.

Congle line of abuse. Or is that conga-line. Or congaline. Nov 23, 2006 06:32 PM

Been playing this on my PSP(emulator), aside from the inability to emulate music very well, it's pretty great (blows the lag-tastice PSX version out of the water).

This game is by far one of the best to play through, the gameplay is difficult enough to be entertaining, the dialouge is ridiculously entertaining at times, and although like most FF game's story being convoluted or full of holes, this one's is pretty good. Simple, strait forward, and entertaining.

I thought I was just going insane when I got 2x turns in a row in FFIV, glad I cleared that up from reading this thread.

Also, this game never fails to suprise me. Just when I think something like Dancer or Geomancer is completely useless I am proved wrong when they do some crazy shit convincing me otherwise. Fun fun fun.

Duminas Nov 23, 2006 07:51 PM

I don't know, I find this really easy at points.

Spoiler:
I'm near the top of the Barrier Tower, about to go wail on Atomos. Everyone's level 25, and things here are cake. Of course, the fact Faris is doing 1500 damage per hit probably doesn't help.


Class composition is probably skewing it a bit, but I use:
Bartz: Mystic Knight with Two-Handed.
Lenna: Time Mage With Red L3.
Galuf: Summoner with White L5.
Faris: Bare with Two-Handed and Berserk.

Just drop a Haste on Faris and watch the carnage. Though, uh, does anyone know when the new classes show themselves?

CuteChocobo Nov 23, 2006 08:27 PM

Hmmm, still waiting for the new class to appear :p

Seems like Duminas is waay ahead of me, so I am waiting for his updates upon where to find the new class :)

Oh btw, just a simple question about Samurai's ability of "Zeninage"... does it cost anything to perform that move? Since it a uber powerful move that even at my lvl 17 I am dealing out about 6000HP damage each use regardless of the enemies armor... so I am thinking there must be a catch to it, but can't figure out what :o

Plarom Nov 23, 2006 11:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CuteChocobo
I am thinking there must be a catch to it, but can't figure out what

The Zeninage move is basically your 'Gil Toss.'

It does ludicrous amounts of damage, but it also uses large chunks of your Gil! I haven't tested to see exactly how much is lost, but I believe it works off a certain ratio.

Also, all of the new classes are found at the end of the game. You won't be able to find them until you beat the game and then load your cleared save file.

And.. If anyone cares.. I did start an entirely new game just to kill a single monster. RPGs tend to bring out my LATENT NERDOM. Luckily, the game quite enjoyable! :p

Hachifusa Nov 23, 2006 11:28 PM

They actually translated it as "Zeninage"? That's amazing; it's such a Japanese name. I was expecting Gil Toss.

Congle line of abuse. Or is that conga-line. Or congaline. Nov 23, 2006 11:32 PM

I wish it was called "Gil Toss" so I knew what I was doing when I used it willy-nilly when I first unlocked SAM.

Hachifusa Nov 23, 2006 11:42 PM

I'm a (used to be a?) nerd, so back in high school I read a Japanese FAQ for Final Fantasy V, and basically already know it.

But, uh, doesn't it tell you in the ability menu what it does?

CuteChocobo Nov 24, 2006 07:12 AM

-____________-" *sigh* Gil Toss...

I have been spamming that command like crazy... Nyuoooo my poor gils...
But thanks for the explaination! I will have to use it less and less now.

Spatula Nov 24, 2006 02:49 PM

Why are pheonix downs 1000 gil? That's a ridiculous price. Aren't they like 250 in the other games?

Jurassic Park Chocolate Raptor Nov 24, 2006 02:56 PM

Wouldn't it be an easy game if you didn't have to rely on white magic and having a balanced party to stay alive instead of spamming items?

It's an important item and it costs a bunch. Makes the early game a bit more difficult. Go figure.

Duminas Nov 24, 2006 03:07 PM

You can use Tents, too--they're a quarter the price of a Phoenix Down, and do a whole lot more for you.

Granted, they can't be used all the time, but be careful and you won't have problems.

evilboris Nov 24, 2006 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forsety
Also, by the time you reach the end of the game, there are infact enemies that can give upwards of 199 AP per battle, so if you are only mastering certain jobs for the sake of mastering them; you can just wait and do it endgame. Focus on the ones you want to use and mix-match skills that way.

Even better, you can master the new jobs Oracle and Cannoner, and get ABP plus and EXP plus secondary skills. They will raise the amount of ABP/EXP you get to 150%. This will possibly be the first time I will bother to get past level 48 in FF5.
You get Oracle, Cannoner and Gladiator after you got all of the legendary weapons form Kuza Castle by the way.
Spoiler:
Once you do, a scholar will mention that an earthwuake happened way down the south. The new locations is an undersea trench, located just below the Town of Mirages.

The new classes blow by the way.
Oracle and Cannoner will unlock you ABP and EXP up abilities, which are possibly the only use I see for them.

Spoiler:
Gladiator is a physical class with moderate stats and the ability to use all physical weapons (ninja knives, katanas, broadswords, bows, everything but staffs and maces). Their special ability is !Finisher, which will either fail, do a critical hit (2x damage), or will hit weak points to do massive damage. The massive damage is 9999pts of elemental damage. The element is dependant on which character you use it with, Bartz has Fire for example (I think). However it fails too often to be useful, especially against bosses. Once mastered, they can use a Blade blitz command, which attacks every opponent - for pathetic damage.
These guys will also attract more random fights, an ability that can be unlocked as you level up the job.

Oracle is a class that can condemn enemies to various fates. This manifests in spells being cast on the opponents after a certain amount of time after condemning. This is almost completely useless as a) they often fail at doing it and b) most of these condemns are too weak or take too much time. Say, 20 seconds for something akin to Bolt2. Doom is the only useful one I saw (certain kill in 10 secs), but again, the actual condemning takes too much time, especially so late in the game when you already have access to more devestating attacks.

Cannoners look like french navy personell from the Napoleon era, and they can, uh, use a cannon to attack. The cannons seem to do more damage then regular attacks by a small margin, but I also saw them doing criticals as often as Monks do (which is very often), and rarely they will also instant kill some enemies (usually ones that would come close to being killed anyway). You can also buy 3 kinds of ammo for these and mix them with a bunch of stuff, but I didnt look into this yet.


By the way, is it only me or were the animations simplified in many attacks? Holy and Neo-Exdeath's Grand Cross thingy seems a lot less spectecular as it did on the SNES.

Spatula Nov 24, 2006 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Colonel Skills
Wouldn't it be an easy game if you didn't have to rely on white magic and having a balanced party to stay alive instead of spamming items?

More the reason to get white mages to learn and level up FAST. Does this mean that if I get a maxed out white mage, I can already have curaga/esuna/raise, or whatever it's called in this installment, or are the spells you unlock story based.

Jurassic Park Chocolate Raptor Nov 24, 2006 10:21 PM

Here's a lowdown of how the White/Black/Red Mages and Summoners work, since I think you've got it slightly backwards.

You buy the spells. Or, in the Summoner's case, earn them. Obviously, the more powerful ones are earned/bought later in the game, such as Arise (Life 2), and Curaga. A few notable spells are found, but can be purchased near the end of the game, like Teleport and Float.

When your active job is the mage job, you can cast any spell in your possession from that school. Level 1 White Mage? Sure, you can still cast Holy. What the "White Level X" job abilities mean is that when you're a DIFFERENT job, and you pick !White as your other ability, you'll only be able to cast up the same level of white spells as is the level of your White Mage Job. IE, You've got a Knight subbing !White lvl 3. You'll be able to cast up to Cura, but not Holy, or any of the other, more powerful spells.

Thus, the higher you level a White Mage, the higher level of white magic you can cast when you're NOT a White Mage.

Works the same for the other Mage classes except for Blue, since their Magic doesn't have tiers. Mystic Knights also work the same way.

Spatula Nov 24, 2006 10:36 PM

Alright, thanks I think I got the hang of it. It's slightly somewhat different than the license system of FFXII, which really doesn't have preset roles, but rather you need both the magick spell from the shop, PLUS unlock the respective spell from the license board, but that's another ballpark. Thanks again Skills. :thumbsupdood:

CuteChocobo Nov 25, 2006 02:44 AM

Prolly a stupid question but whats the difference between a 'tent' and a 'cottage'? I know the price is a mojor difference, but what else -__-"

Forsety Nov 25, 2006 02:56 AM

tent doesn't fully heal you, a cottage does. This becomes much more noticeable the more diminished your MP and such is and the further you get in the game.

evilboris Nov 25, 2006 07:22 AM

Tent gives you around 1000hp and 100mp and cures all aliments and KOs. Cottage heals you TODAMAXXX.

Spatula Nov 26, 2006 03:25 PM

I got up to the part, still very early in the game, where Lenna finds her father's helmet and heals the dragon. LOL.

Why do I love this game. Seriously.


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