What do guys notice in a girl?
 

I'm not sure if this in the right place, so sorry if it's not.

I want to do a poll (I can't really make one though for this) about what guys notice in girls. I'm not generalizing to just the preppy girls from high school, but the girls who take all the time with putting on make up, the girls who go to tanning salons, who get their nails done every other week, who takes the time to pick out the perfect fasionable outfit. Guys- do these things (make up, tan, hair style, nails, outfit, etc) make you notice a girl? When see a girl who's your friend, your girlfriend, or any random girl, are these things that make you take a second look or catch your attention?

If not, what does?

If you don't mind, give me your age or if you're in high school or college or not in school at all.

Girls- Do you do these things? Are there other things you do? If so, why? Is it to get the guy? Is it for you because it makes you look beautiful?

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I'm a casual dresser. A T-shirt and jeans does it for me. I'm not a make up person at all. I hate it. I believe it makes my skin worse. So I take extra care of it so it doesn't look bad. I use to have mild acne and so my face isn't pure but it's not cratered and scarred. My hair is naturally really think and wavy. I straighten it but I do it for my benefit. If it's not straightened, I have to pull it back. I can't leave my hair down when it's not straightened. So I straighten so I can leave it down. This isn't for beauty, it's because I don't like having it up constantly, especially in the winter. I couldn't care less about my nail color. I was interesting in tanning but the risk of skin cancer was a turn off.

I find myself the average girl- dress casual, blonde, blue eyes, hair pulled back or down (straightened), no make up.

Its late here, and I'll try to formulate an actual response tomorrow, but I just ran across this link to a video summarizing the start-to-finish process that a model goes through before ending up on the cover. Its no wonder why our perception of beauty is what it has become.

Ageed. I don't like that guys judge a girl from the outside. A friend asked me one day how many guys do I believe have passed by me, judging me by my looks, being turned off because I'm not a make up wearing, preppy dressing, skin cancer begging, popular girl when we could've had so much in common but he will never know because he judged me on the outside. And I told her I didn't know... because they judged me.

Me: 21, at University, currently seeing someone. Three part time jobs, which in the fall normally add up under than 15 hours a week. Come Spring, can be over 30 hours a week.

What do I notice first? Body frame, face, hair; in that order. Oh noes, shallowness; sorry, but I have to be attracted to them. Its not just looks, personality is actually MORE important, but its easier to judge looks first. Plus, some girls are great at projecting a false personality

Makeup? light makeup at max, anything more is actually a negative imo. The only one that actually makes a positive difference to me is eye makeup.

Tan? Doesn't matter. I find both tan and pale hot. If they do have a dark skin color, I prefer for it to be uninentional actually. Personally, tanning is a waist of time and resources, both short term and long term, especially with potential medical problems. Oh, and tanning beds are as bad as, if not worse for you, than the natural sun, so... I wouldn't say no to a girl who did in ignorance, but if she still did... the lack of concern for personal health would be a turn off.

Clothing? I don't always notice when girls have matching things, but when I do, I find it cute. I notice with the girls im already intrested in, seeing, or friends with. If I don't talk to you, I probably won't notice.


In my first serious relationship, I liked being the hero at first... but that shit grew into a nuisance real fast. Saving the day and all is nice every now and then, but being a hero everyday is a pain.

I guess I should've added I've been in a relationship for almost 2 years. I'm just honestly curious if all the things girls do is a waste of time or not.

I don't judge boys on looks because a lot of the greatest boys are the average looking ones. I ran into an old middle school friend and I didn't tell him but he looked better in middle school but we are friends. I don't like to judge people on looks =/ I've faced reality- I'm not going to marry an Orlando Bloom. I'll befriend anyone as long as they're respectful and not a complete ass.

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Badonkadonk.

Personality is for people who can't fuck hot chicks.

Great -_- This is going to be in the sewers because of you!

Don't worry about SCHWARZE-7, he's just pretending not to be a fatty.

Oops.

As to what I notice, it depends on which angle I see the subject from.

Nope, sorry Devs. I notice ass, hips, and legs. God save me from long legs that look like they could wrap around my head seven times over.

Speak of the devil!

Damn she's ugly.

Alright, I'm 22 and I'm in a relationship going on 2 years yet it doesn't feel that long sometimes. What would I look in a girl? The first thing would probably be the ass and leg region. I'm a sucker for some sexy smooth, cheerleader type thighs. Think Chun Li, since that's the first time I can remember being attracted to legs.

I like darker features like dark hair and skin, while copious amounts of make up can ruin it for me, or the wrong shades as displayed in the image above. My girlfriend does wear make up but I still find her very attractive even with little to no makeup on. I also enjoy it when she doesn't do much to her hair. It's naturally curly but she likes it straight while I like it curly, of course she does both and I still compliment her on it.

I also like nice sized breasts. Not too small and not too big. As long as it fits the body type. Which I don't mind skinny or large girls, I tend to go for girls who have a little bit of meat and I don't mean super fat girls, just some extra meat.

So yeah I am attracted to looks at first as I'm always thinking about sex, however when it comes to a relationship there should be more there to keep me interested besides sex. My girlfriend can certainly handle both duties. ;)

I guess a bit about to counter balance this, I dress in black band shirts, wear jeans, black shoes, have long brown hair which I typically keep in a pony tail, wear glasses and I'm chunky. I usually haven't found many girls who expressed interest in me, at least to my face or I might've been oblivious to it in the past, so at the time I didn't think too highly of my appearance.

It's pretty naive to ask what a guy notices - he has a dick, what the fuck do you think he notices?
If you're too thick to get it, this is pretty much what Denicalis said above, though in less words.

Of course, every desperate faggot in the book is going to come in here and claim they don't care about breast size or body shape or clothes or make-up - and same goes for girls. Get over yourselves. I look for all those because they turn me on. That doesn't mean I am a shallow fuckstick that picks females based on looks - it means that I am acknowledging my sexuality by saying that I want to fuck a hot female.

I'm also equally turned on by a girl that is funny, in control, studying something that challenges her, has self-respect and self-esteem, can lead me, knows where she is going beyond a job after university, can debate passionately and intelligently, and doesn't need to be the centre of attention to feel accepted - I am acknowledging my need for intellectual stimulation in a relationship by saying that.

Now you'll say that a girl that has both of those is incredibly rare and I'll slap you before you're done. There are plenty of girls like this - it takes a bit of self-confidence and personality to approach them and they are by no means rare. Equally, there are plenty of guys like this.

It's just a matter of not being lazy. A lot of guys (and girls) would be far more attractive if they stopped being so damned lazy and got their shit together. Started reading books, going to the gym, and getting good grades. Nothing is less attractive to me than a girl that has the potential to rock my socks off but is squandering it aimlessly by being lazy and unfocused.

Morons that claim to "look for personality only because looks are skin-deep" are just as shallow themselves. I have a dick and I am turned on by a nice ass. There is nothing wrong with that. It's wrong to be turned on by that ass regardless of the brain that is attached to it, true, but saying that I shouldn't be attracted to it at all is brainwashed hogwash.

As far as make-up goes, I prefer the girls with little to no make-up. A girl who realizes her beauty without make-up is worth more than one that does wear it. To reinforce my argument, I just picture growing old with someone who ages in harmony and no matter what, retains some essence of her stunning younger looks. Compare that to a old woman who has more paint on her than a Picasso.

I am trying to think of two real-life examples. Elizabeth Taylor is my vote for the whore with too much guck on her face. And I guess Mia Farrow would be the one that just seemed to accept that fact that people get old...only she did it perfectly.

I notice their eyes, hair and ass, in no particular order. I like girls that don't wear too much makeup, natural beauty is HOT.

what I look for for is how good a girl can be inside first, rather than outside first. it's what led me to my first wife, whom I'm happily married to now

Your first wife? Are you planning on getting a second one sometime soon or what? Here's a tip: Never refer to your wife as your "first wife" if you're planning on keeping her.

First, the face.

Of course the face.

Then the body.

Personality only comes into equation when 'long term commitment' dilemma begins.

When meeting a girl for the first time I obviously check out the features, but then soon after, get to know their personality and sometimes personality can make a big difference.

I agree with Yume, I've known a lot of really hot girls who when you get to know them have horrible personalities and from then on have become physically ugly to me.

Anyway, the first thing I notice is eyes and hair, after that I look at their body and obviously if it's nice then bonus, but if their face appeals to me then their body pretty much doesn't matter, I can't stand too much make up as this usually signifies vanity to me and in my experience vain women are pretty snobby. I like the natural look, maybe a little eye make up.

I usually go for girls with dark hair and pale skin, gothic looking. Mmmmmm gothic :drool:

One thing I can't understand is how some guys can be completely only attracted to clothes / make-up etc, for example I met an ex of mine at a party and she'd only just come in from work so didn't have time to get "done up", anyway I thought she was beautiful even though she had no make-up on etc... and a friend of mine was saying "hmmm she's ok, nothing special" but then a few weeks later he saw her in a dress with some make up on and he was going "Jesus! She's so fine...", but I didn't notice any difference tbh... well I COULD but it didn't really matter because she was still just as pretty.

The point I'm trying to make is make up and all that crap doesn't really matter at all.

yeah, that was kinda thoughtless, no my wife is what I meant, cause I love her with every ounce of my soul, and would never leave her no matter what. thanks for pointing that out

For the record: I'm 20 and not in school.

Hair first. Always hair. Followed closely by face and then body. I don't much care about T&A except in their relation to the overall shape and ratios. I'm sure there's something very mathematical there, but I don't care to decode it. I find skinny girls to be a turn-off, if not because they look like they might break off in the breeze, then because I'm skinny too and the grinding of bones would get... painful. :P

I find vanity to be something of a turnoff, so makeup is usually a bad thing, imo. The exception here is when it's done for effect and not to disguise the natural (natural is always beautiful, folks). Covering blemishes? Go fuck yourself. Goth and likin' the crazy eyeliner? FUCKING GO FOR IT!!! Deviations from the "norm" are probably my biggest turn-on!

I personally find tans to be a huge turn-off as well. It's natural or nothin'. If you're sportin' golden brown skin in the dead of winter, you look like a fuckin' tool, and if you ask I'll tell you as much. There's nothing so repuslive as someone who'd sacrifice their own body and health for something as trivial as a tan. It's your temple, so fucking treat it as such.

I find it pretty cool when a girl puts some thought into what she wears. This is the exact opposite of fashionable or trendy, mind you. Fashionable/trendy folks don't put thought into what they wear, they just follow the herd, and that's the difference. If you can dress like nobody else and pull it off, you win. Bonus points if you designed and/or made the clothes yourself. Putting care and thought into your appearance is a plus, so long as your body doesn't suffer for it.

Finally: There's nothing sexier than thinking for yourself, and there's no bigger turn-off (for me, anyway) than someone who's got nothing better to think about than her own appearance.

I am 22, in University and currently single.

I look at the overall impression, which includes face, hair, and body. If I am not generally attracted to them, then I probably wouldn't look twice in terms of relationship stuff.

If overall attraction ensues, then I would proceed into talking to this woman. Then who she is as a person applies to whether I would pursue her or not.

Remember, its about first overall impression, not about how much makeup she is wearing or not.

Well I'm in a class that studies relationships. I'm happy with the guy I'm with and I'm not looking for anyone else. Just the topic of why guys judge a girl based on looks comes up everyday in class and that guys are shallow. That's when my friend asked me how many guys judged me by my looks and didn't get to know me when we could've been a great couple. Also, the preps or other girls who spend so much money on nails, hair, tanning, new clothes all the time... is it all a waste because don't care? Or they do it for themselves to make them look beautiful... so they are insecure about their looks.

Well, if you spent the whole summer out enjoying yourself and your skin is a tell-tale brown as a result, I like it a lot. I don't really have much of a preference in terms of skin color, so long as you aren't harming yourself in the attempt. I think natural is beautiful, and anyone who covers up their natural features with makeup or chemical/artificial tans looks pretty stupid to me.

I totally agree with you on the point of creativity and talent. That's not often a first impression kinda thing, but it has a huge effect on me when it is. You can see some signs of that in the person's manner and style of dress, though, which is why I like fashion so much. For me, clothes are an artform, and if you can be creative in the way you present yourself, there's a good chance you're creative in other fields as well. Artists, to me, are by far the most attractive people on this planet. If you've got no interest in the arts, I've got equal interest in you. :P

The first thing, the very first thing I notice about a girl, before I notice anything else, her figure, hips, breasts, hair, legs, etc, is the manner in which she smiles. I can tell a great deal about someone's character simply by observing their smile. Anyone can have a great personality, but the true nature of their character will always shine through.

I like women with nice legs. Not too fat or too skinny, but somewhere in-between. I also like women that are naturally attractive, makeup is also good on women, so long as they don't use too much. The face itself has to have a good shape, and not look disproportional to the rest of the body.
I also like women with a bit of something to them. I'm not overly keen on thin women, I like women with curves.
As for hair, well, any colour really so long as it has some length to it, I don't like women with short hair, don't know why but I just don't.

Ditto. Forgot about that, as I meet very few girls with short hair. Short hair on girls is generally less attractive imo.

Psychology shows that while guys may be more shallow concerning in it for looks, alot of girls arn't exactly in it for love either. Girls tend to look at things from a more practical and secure aspect. Guys actually score higher on 'romanticism' scales than girls on average.

Guys tend to believe more in love at first sight, one true love, only one girl as the 'one', and etc. They just also tend to want to have a little more fun time than the opposite gender.

EDIT: Sorry, Devo. I didn't realize it was you, though I should have guessed. SIGH. ;_;

Third edit: Age 25. Fulltime student, fulltime employment. In a relationship.

Whoa, whoa, whoa. At the risk of lurker and Devo coming in here and screaming at me, it's generally pretty well known that women are more conscious of their physical appeal than men are.

Why would women be more conscious of their physical appeal? Well, thats pretty much the thing that can be argued - is it what they're trying to attract (and the competition thereof), or is it for themselves - just to look beautiful?

I think you're looking too deeply into what DWA said.

Girls are shallow too - for different reasons.

On a level - I agree with her. This is coming from a reasonably heavy-set woman who is not considered terribly attractive. I once had this BEAUTIFUL friend - absolutely devastatingly BEAUTIFUL - who said she was jealous of me. "Men have to like to you for whats inside you, not whats outside."

Whether or not women are interpreting the message that men send correctly, it APPEARS that men do pass up a great opportunity based on looks alone. "She's not cute enough" or "not up to my physical standards," you see. That can be misconstrued as "shallow" by some - and to a degree it is. But you can't blame a man for BEING a man. He is interested in the goods he sees laid before him. Unfortunately, he is not that excellent at seeing much else sometimes. (Examples in Angst.)

You may be able to argue it, Enceph (I THINK you're Enceph. Can never tell with these CHANGE YOUR NAME weeks), DEVO, but I am sure you can see what she's saying. Men will dismiss a woman based on her looks more often than not.

I'll notice a somewhat-attractive natural looking seductive mature women over a made up hot chick, anyday. I'm naturally drawn to these types of chicks for some reason. I've notice that the curves of hips has a lot to do with how much I wanna fuck too. But, seduction happens on levels way deeper than what a girl looks like for me. Right down to that sex voice to how they sensualy move their body against mine. The feeling of curves against me blows out what she looks like by far (as long as she's not ugly) because I'll began to trans into fuck mode and stop caring about what things looks like.

Chicks who focus mostly just on looks are a psychological turn off because the plesure I get out of being with them usually is not worth my fucking time, money, or effort. They usually are immature, bitch waaaaaay too much, and haven't got a clue as to how to hold their own weight.

Oh and I'm 21, live by myself, plus I work and go to college full time.

In a physical aspect, I find myself attracted to a girl with full hips, a full ass, average-sized breasts, medium complexion, a little shorter than myself, long hair (brunette or red), bright eyes, and a bright smile. I don't find 'face-hiders' attractive, either with makeup, heavy glasses, or other means. Any makeup beyond a little eye shadow and some natural color lipstick gets to be a big turnoff.

Personality wise, I'm attracted to artists with the ability to think independantly and have a strong desire to learn. A girl who is responsive to physical affection and has a healthy self esteem is a big attraction.

How we care for our own appearance--in dress and hygene--is a reflection of how we regard ourselves. Despite what you might think, its a first impression, and first impressions are critical. Personality is a major factor in attraction, but you can't wear your personality out on your sleeve. You have to actually talk to people to figure out their personality and I somehow I don't think you go around talking to every random stranger that passes you by to get a feel for their personality. More often than not, you probably use a first impression to decide whether or not you want to engage a person.

Why the fuck do people keep posting their age and whether or not they're in college? Is this somehow related to what you find attractive in others?

Anyway, it seems I usually have initial interest due to the level of physical attraction I have toward said person. Then I date her for a few months and find out she's a dumb bitch, and we break up and I cry. Not really. I'm very picky though. But I'm not as picky about looks as I am about personality.

But, yea, I'm all about the ( . )( . ) at first glace.

Probably because the original poster asked for it, so people assume it's relevant. Now in return, I ask you:

Why the fuck don't people read the original post before responding?

I hope your girlfriends aren't as picky about reading comprehension as you apparently are about looks and personality.

I've noticed the ones getting cocky are the ones who seem to not be reading the first post =/

A few months? Are you kidding there? Two weeks top(if deception is involved), and I can tell. Normally, its closer to 3-4 days. I haven't been involved with any 'dumb bitches' as I weed them out rather quickly, before they're even on the list of possiblities.

O SHIT. My bad. I give my apologies.

Three sentences of reprimand! Impressive!

Despite not having gained any experiences when it comes to dating so far, I have to say that I prefer the more innocent looking type of girls. Personality and stuff like that is important too, in my opinion as important as the looks, since I also want to talk with her and share some interests here and there, but of course I'd also rate a girl on the basis of her looks. However, don't give me any tarted-up girls with faked fingernails or scruffy one's. In addition to this, I don't like big breasts. :tpg:

And yet another post at 6 AM. Perhaps those late times affect my posting quality negatively, who knows.

Thank you sir, saved me from typing a paragraph. I'll make it up to you some time. :love:

And we just got through talking about reading comprehension. I had such high hopes. There were four lights sentences.

Not gay men. HAH

not to big, but not to small boobs. then after thats settled, is her face ok or is it an abstract painting. then ill see if shes nice around others. if she passes my 1st check then we are a'okay!

You used a colon in the 2nd sentence thus making the 2nd and 3rd "sentence" a singular compound sentence. Three sentences.

"I HAD SUCH HIGH HOPES."

I agree, though I'm mostly picky about girls when it comes to conversation. I need to be able to talk to them about stuff, whether it be religion, politics, music, etc..... I like people with opinions.

The replies are interesting but I have another question- Do you guys believe the things girls do- make up, tanning, nails, buying new clothes, etc- is a waste of time and/or money?

Probably means in proportion to her figure. A 'C' size would probably look a lot different on Paris Hilton than Aunt Jemima, if you catch my meaning. I doubt you can make a set size decision.

Tanning seems the biggest waste out of those. I mean come on, just do things outside if you want a tan. Nails/makeup, meh, if she wants to use it that's fine, if not that's fine. New clothes: not a waste of money unless you buy something every 5 seconds to keep up with the latest trends.

That's what I mean. The girls who buy clothes every so many weeks to get the new in boots, trendy top, etc.

I agree. I am not usually very impressed with fake n bake, and outside tanning (just laying in the sun in a bikini) can be pretty harmful as well. Makeup and nails doesn't affect me for the most part, and new clothes isn't a problem as long as a fortune isn't spent every week.

I have a question for you men...

If you see a really pretty girl, are you intimidated by their looks?

If you see a girl all dressed in designer clothes, are you intimdated by their status?

No and no. A pretty girl is still just a girl. A girl in designer clothes just has money. I don't see the point in being threatened by either.

apparently... guys think I'm intimdating....

but would you approach a pretty girl in designer clothes?

Flara, from your picture, I'd agree that you're a pretty girl. But hardly unapproachable. I've yet to meet the girl who's too pretty, or too well dressed for me to talk to. It's just talking. And if I never ask a gorgeous, well dressed girl to join me for a drink, I'll never wind up dating a gorgeous, well-dressed girl, now will I? Guys who are intimidated by a girl's looks are too shallow for their own good.

That's why the best way to be is to have no sense of fashion and not even be able to identify designed clothes. Then there's no way you'll be intimidated by them!

Either that or they themselves are pig-ugly. I can imagine that for munters, approaching someone good looking could be intimidating as you know that right off the bat they're unlikely to give you the time of day. Any of the resident ugly brigade care to confirm/deny this?

Thanks~ :) so I guess it's not my problem that I'm good looking lol

no sense of fashion scares me.............

Though, Flara, to be fair... you're an asian in America. You immediately get the Team Asian guys running to you on principle. I have seen some absolute munters get good looking cats because they're asian. It's ridiculous.

I live in Canada btw
maybe it's because i go to school with 500 chicks.... (I major in Fashion Design)

That's the beauty of it; now the shoe's on the other foot, and you're too afraid to talk to me.

Edit: America, Canada, whatever. The point is you're an Asian on another continent where like 60% of guys are rice chasers. In retrospect, 60% might be conservative. In any case, it's a lot.

Fashion Design in Canada? You're not in Toronto, are you?

I bet she is, and I bet she goes to York, haha. There's not much else.

There's a fashion design school there, too. I can't remember the name of it, but a friend of mine graduated there a year ago.

Oh there's that Academy of Design or something, I had a friend who went there for a bit.

You're stating the question in a biased manner that steers the person towards a specific answer that you want to hear.

And you are pointing out the obvious.

york shmork... nopes
fashion design schools?
there's many in toronto and i do go to one of them hehe
oop i think im off topic.....

I''m drawn to a girl's personality first, actually. I like someone who is assertive, friendly, and optimistic. Their sense of style, eye contact, and body language are things I look for, too.

Physically, I do like eyes, but I like smiles better. I generally prefer slightly older girls, because I've been told that I am very mature for my age.

(I'm 19 by the way).

*porno beat*
Deni putting on his moves.

I find girls with better fashion sense more approachable. At least you have a good conversation starter along the lines of "I like your pants, shirt, etc."

So you'd date a girl who was ugly and a complete cunt because she's a talented writer? Yama, you're a fucking joke lately. It's like you've decided that you have to try and be this esoteric entity, reigning high taste down across the boards. What, did you finally get around to Philosophy 100 this semester? Seriously, get a grip and chill the fuck out. We get it. You want to be deep. That's fine, but be a tad realistic.

Telephone ice cream was a good joke though.

But could you not simply approach the pretty girl, strike up a conversation, and then split if you realise she has all the intelligence of a hamster?

Thats what I do :)

23, in university.
I like to dress whatever I want, usually the clothes that I can roll over and over on my bed (Big T-shirt & shorts),lol. By the way I always on my uniform.
I don't like the way the guys flirt on me so I like to wear casual clothes, even though there're some guys bother me.
I believe that the good relationship shoul start in polite and respect way. So I don't have any interest in flashy guys who judge the woman on her clothes.

No it's not. Not every girl is doing this to target the opposite gender.
It's got to do with personality, self-respect, mirror-looking and comfortability.

Not being psychic, the only thing I have to go on when I first see a woman is her physical appearance.
Fair or not, people judge one another by looks and success. While looks can be deceiving, it's the only thing we have to go on. A woman with a firm body often *suggests* one with self control/respect. A woman in fine clothing suggests success and/or intellect.

It's the same with women judging a guy pulling up to the coffee shop by his car. If the guy is wearing nice clothing while driving a nice vehicle, chances are he has a good job and thus a good provider. At this point the woman probably won't mind talking to the guy to learn more, as she already knows he possesses at least one of the qualities she is looking for. This goes the same vice versa of course.

While almost every man does want a partner with a good sense of humor and a positive attitude, it can still only go so far in my eyes. While I do not expect supermodel beauty, I still want someone who has respect for their body.

For the Statistics.
23 - Recent Grad working in Career Job.

Further to my post above, I like women who have long hair and have it down, rather than up. Women look better (well, to me they do) with their hair down.

Also I forgot to mention:

I'm 23, and working. No school for me.

1- If looks can be deceiving, then why don't some people get to those who aren't 'hot' or 'sexy'? What's wrong with the average looking one? It's one argument that came up in our class. If you know that you can't always base someone's personality off their looks, then why do you do it? It is human nature but why not just TRY to get to know the girl that's not as pretty?

2- How does a woman in fine clothing suggest intellect? I disagree. I wear the most casual comfortable clothes I can yet I graduated with over a 4.0 GPA and so far my grades in my classes (I'm at the University now) are straight A's. It may show success... she has money and can afford or she could be going in debt with her credit card(s) while shopping.

If being pretty or not being pretty is not realted to a good personality, then why go after someone less pretty if they have the same chance of having a good personality.

No, he lives in Colorado City, Arizona, where everyone runs a construction company and has multiple wives, and comes into Best Buy every Sunday asking "Do y'all have any AH-pods left?"

Ahem.

DWA, there are a few things I've realized lately about how women perceive men, and they kind of translate the other way around too - I just never realized it.
First of all, though... a person is born with what they've got. You're either ugly, attractive, or average. Duh. Most people are average-looking, very few people are truly UGLY, and about the same amount are naturally breathtakingly beautiful. Learning how to WORK with what you've got to MAKE it look more attractive is key. This is evidenced by all those celebrities and models that look like crap before they're fully awake. And the fact that I had no style at all when it came to clothes, and now I get compliments left and right on how well-dressed I am. Which has nothing to do with expensive clothing, cause I can't afford that. But it does have to do with distinctive style.

Before I go any further, I must stress that my favorite type of woman looks like this:
Between 5' and 6'
Anywhere between 120-180 lbs (e.g. not toothpick-thin, but no huge fat-rolls... just average)
Butt that's there but not huge
Boobs that are there but not huge (B-C cup, anyone?)
Nice teeth (not perfect teeth, just teeth that are taken care of)
Natural hair, longer is usually better, down not up, ponytails are hot
Little to no makeup
T-shirt and jeans or something equally comfortable, something that suits her if she meets the above characteristics.

Simple and natural. Yum.

Style isn't defined by expensive clothes, it's defined by how what you wear looks ON YOU, to other people. My advice to a girl would be much the same as my advice to a guy - if you wanna know what to wear, get someone of the opposite sex who has STYLE to take you shopping FOR YOU ... try on everything they suggest even if you're not sure of it.

So what do guys look for in a woman? The same thing women look for in men. Style, confidence, fun. If you're energetic and passionate, sufficiently unique compared to most, and you've got a generally appealing style, you can seem attractive - and then if you engage in entertaining good conversation, you can't do much more. If I meet a girl like that, I'm sold.

As for beneath the physical... well, you can't judge a woman based off of anything beneath the surface until you get to know her, so it's impossible to say what guys LOOK FOR that way. However what they like to come across when getting to know a woman, is in a way exactly the same as the physical - stylish, confident, fun. Energetic. Passionate. Unique. Intelligent.

Well, except those guys who just want sex and don't want to talk. Then you need to have a good body and no personality.

1- Because an average person blends in, and thus is why they tend to be overlooked. When you are walking by a group of women, chances are the first one to catch your eye will be the one that stands out more. While walking down a busy street, I will study those whom I deem most interesting, since the time i have to study is limited.

As for sexy, it's a natural thing to be first looking at the one that is attractive, it's human biology. It doesn't mean that the very attractive one will be the one I speak to. On the other hand, chances are I won't be speaking to the one in the corner wearing the sweat pants either. This isn't because I think she is ugly or unintelligent, but simply because she won't draw enough attention to get my mind to think about her, unless she seems out of place. In which case I would probably crack a smile and wish I could do that sometimes. As Ayos stated, confidence is key. Those with confidence make it known, and often dress for it.

2- It depends upon your definition of intelligence. I know some extremely intelligent people whom have no idea that there exist pieces of clothing that don't portray some video game character. While you are right in saying that a woman dressed in very fine business attire may just be putting on a show while driving up her credit limit, she could also have a very good job and lots of success. Same could be true for the one wearing jeans. That is why we will talk to people, and even date them before getting into a serious relationship. That girl sitting in the corner wearing sweatpants may in fact be a super genius with an excellent job, but what has she done to draw any of my attention? There are different types of intelligence, it doesn't mean that you cannot succeed without straight A's in school. It all depends on the field you are in.

You asked what it was that I noticed in a girl. I just stated that although I know as well as many that looks can be deceiving, that it is all we have to go on. Most people dress to express themselves.

I agree. People dress to express themselves. I dress casually, expressing I'm layed back, pretty much worry-free, relaxed, wanting to have fun... but when I see a girl who's dressed in those fasion outfits (that cost a lot of money) it's like "i'm high maintence". I don't know. Those girls dressed like that, at least when I was in high school, had the most "It's all about me" personalities. Then they got the boys and it's like "How? They are too into themselves" It's strange to me. And if it's because they aren't like that around their boyfriends, why the mask?

One day in high school this guy was like "There is no way you are the same person at home that you are in school" but I am. I'm the same person online that I am offline. I don't like wearing masks.

Judging by the description of yourself, I would have judged you as a laid back person contempt with the way things are going, with not much desire for anything to change. I would probably also figure you to already be in a relationship. I'll be honest though, the "wanting to have fun" part would be the last thing I would figure someone of your description. Rarely do I meet outgoing women whom dress in plain clothes. those in loose comfortable attire are generally conservative and laid back.

As for the expensive high fashion ones, my mind screams *stay away*, fortunately it's rare that this wrong. It's those that dress in more professional clothing that interests me.

But then again, this was suppose to be a question of WHAT do I notice about a girl, not try to theorize the difference between how one dresses and their personality and life style.

I think that girls make up and get enoticeable to "enchant" guys. So they womanise cuz there's a plenty of beauties. People are unable to detect the inside => they focus on the apparent.

Long legs, large breast, bared midriff are all very nice but what really knocks you over is a smile

zergkiller likes Amazons with only one large breast. Me, I prefer that my females keep both of them, but if one is gone, I can make do. Because there are plenty of other great qualities in wemon. :)

Marking for post of the year reasons.

physically....I think that guys subconsciously pick girls who are healthy...full breasts and nice hips indicate fertility and could be a factor in what guys notice first about girls.....personally I notice eyes and smiles - i also like girl with chipmunk sorta lookin cheeks...makes them look cuter - personally speaking of course lol

When i first meet a girl, i see more of the face and hair and smile. Then it depends on personality from there. Not trying to be shallow, just it's how it works for me.

You know, I actually think clothes do play a part in basic attraction. The way someone dresses is important to me. I'd probably be more attracted to someone who is able to dress in a way that matches and accentuates their natural figure.

Also, I wish people wouldn't call themselves or others shallow when what we're talking about here is first impression attraction; you're not going to know if she's a bitch or he's a bastard just by looks.

I agree with thinking that how you dress is a big part of attraction. I don't want to be talking or approaching someone who looks like crap. Looks play more of a part in things than people want to admit. I swear when I ask people what they look for in the opposite sex they always say things like good personality, but how are you supposed to know if that person has a good personality right off the bat anyway.

You're definitely more likely to approach a person who looks good as opposed to looking crappy. I know it sounds mean, but I hardly meander my way to people who just do not look good. Granted that I hardly pull myself together to make myself look smashing anyway XD. I just about never put on makeup, and I tend to just throw on the t-shirt that's on the top of the pile each day. Hypocrite anyone? XP

Thanks for the link ElectricSheep I thought that was what happened but it's nice to see video evidence for a change because it's so easy to confused reality with fiction these days.

They say beauty is in the eye of the beholder however seems people go with what's generally accepted. As a guy it's easy to get drawn in on looks I won't deny it, I know people who will try and further their careers on looks and there are celebritys who aruguebly failed at everything else and have made a name for themselves just on those same 'looks' and guys fall for it hook line and sinker *cough* Paris Hilton! *cough* at the end of the day looks are only a bonus which leaves us later anyway, it's more about your sense of style and personality.

If anyone finds it hard to believe how overated woman looks can be just look at the internet! How much of the traffic is porn?! XD it's all a mixure of animal instincts and bloody confusing fantasy with reality. I think how much attention you pay to looks is to do with who are the kinda people you want to attract.

*donates two pennies* =3

What a person wears is a big role. I mean, if you find a guy with dirty clothes, or a girl that's dresses pretty slutty... your relationship isn't going to last so long. Why? A dirty look would eventually bring irritation, and a slutty look would eventually result in losing trust.

I mean, I know I wouldn't want my girlfriend dressing all slutty, or with a short skirt to a party. Sure, she can dress as pretty as she want, but not slutty.

What I notice on a girl is not her looks. Honestly, I can date a fat girl for all I care. So long as her person-hood is pleasant to be around with, I'm happy. And yes, I've dated a girl well over my weight. But she had the prettiest smile I've ever seen, yet.

My way of thinking, is the following: A girl can be very pretty and attractive, but it's her way of being that would make her the most beautiful of all.

a long beautifull well kept head of hair! Youve got that and you already have my attention...I dont know why im a sucker for girls with long hair.

I took a class on the subject of "hot" and what I can say is that it's the media's unfair portrayal of women. Barbie, for example, is physically impossible. And anything that I can say would be not to try to be those girls on TV. You just can't win, and us guys think it's kind of icky.

I like long hair as much as anybody on this forum, but I like shoulder-length hair, too, mainly because it looks nicer and shows a sense of style, something that I like very much. And of course I drool over the few "perfect" girls around, but by perfect I mean the following:

-Having an air of entitlement. You can't have me = :O. Just don't be too aggressive.
-Having a sense of style (Doing something either simple or different, both is awesome). Most of all, make sure you're comfortable in your clothes, because if it's restricting anything, we just can't relate. Obviously.
-Not looking like they chuck, sorry to say, but that's usually kind of gross. I like them thin, but not breakable.
-Smile, darn you! That's one for the money, right there. Many a girl I stopped liking because they looked like they were having a bad day, 24/7.
-Not pretending to look pretty, like the girls that put on their makeup with a paintbrush just looks scary. And it's true-us guys don't notice makeup very much. Out school had a "no-makeup day" and nobody looked any different.
-Nothing revealing enough that we feel naughty looking at you. If it was in Men in Black II, don't wear it in public.

Personality wise, we love:
-Smarts
-Respect (but not submission)
-Humor
-Yeah, we'll listen to you, but listen to us every once in a while, too.

The best advice I can give is to be a step or two below perfect. Don't do your best. Perfect just alienates us.

Just remember: you can't please all of us, but if there's one you suspect to looking at you more ofter than not, find out pronto and ask him out. We're much too scared with all the big jock-types to even give a try. Waiting will only give you sadness.

Written by a knowlegable High Schooler.

Hmm.

Strictly on looks
First of all I like when girls dress like girls. Not like a man, and not like a whore. There's a ton of stuff in between so seeing a girl in baggy pants and a tshirt is annoying. First things I notice because they're what I like best would be: 1. Hair. I'm not as obsessed with it being long on girls anymore, even see a few girls with really short hair that I can consider hot. Don't like it too thin though, thick is always good. Tend to stray towards anything but yellow blonde. After that just the general physique of the girl. Mainly chest, not too big or too small. Waist, which as long as it isnt huge I don't care too much about. A little ASS is nice, but ultimately one of the last physical things I care about. I notice height a lot, but could care less really as long as she's shorter than me. And as long as she takes care of her face I'm not too critical about looks.

Personality
Willing to show her sense of humor. Nothing forced, and not too uptight. Sometimes I love serious/angry girls because of the challenge, but this gets old quick if it goes on too long. Other than that I like a girl that isn't fucking ignorant, and that is outgoing but can stick around home with me too.

Of course, not all of this is necessary for me to be happy.

I really like this definition. It's not so much that guys only care about 'looks'; they care about whether or not a girl can take care of herself. Or about total intellectual giants, but a girl who lolzhatesreading isn't worth much of a damn.

I'd imagine it's the same with women on men, too.

There are still some guys out there who I am SURE don't care about intelligence and only looks, and vice versa, but those are jackasses and losers, respectively.

Laziness is the ultimate turn-off.

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i agree with the theory of "face then body"

Obviously I notice physical features first, because I see them before I talk to them, unless it's somekind of odd arrangement like I know them through friends and talk to them on the phone or through e-mail, first.

I think a lot of it has to do with the way a woman carries herself, too. Personality is part of that. Shitty personality is obviously a deal breaker. Being shy is fine, but sometimes being really nice makes it hard for me to perceive their feelings, which is sort of a turn off. Then again, being intelligent and open is really important to me, it's something I strive to foster within myself.

I can't really say one way or another on make-up, some girls make the make-up work really well for them. I don't think anyone should hold it against a woman (or a man for that matter) trying to compliment their appearance. If it's a dating situation, it shows that they care enough to present themselves. Another obvious point: wearing a lot of make-up in most cases is a huge turn-off.

I can point to one recent case with someone I know from work, she has a badass personality, but a lot of the guys at work don't find her attractive, for whatever reason (I personally thought that she had a cute face and great hair, but...). She came to the Christmas party we had for the command, and she was absolutely stunning. She had a just a little bit of mascara and some eye-shadow/liner, but she cleaned up better than anything I could describe in words, it made me weak in the knees when she came up and greeted me.
I guess it's because she and I got a long so well at work, and like I said, she's a little badass, so there was already the personality click.

Hair is another big thing with me, I tend to like women with rich color, whether it's blonde, black, brown, red like hair that makes you want to run your fingers through it, before you kiss her. I'm also kind of not picky about whether it's long or short. I do find the hair the conceals one side of the face very attractive and playful.

As far as body, I'm not terribly picky, although I do like a good pair of mammories, but that's not always the case. Big boobs can look ridiculous, too. Curves to compliment the frame, I guess. I don't like fat frames, pudge is nice actually, but the "Yeah, I just ate six cheeseburgers... for breakfast" look doesn't do it for me. Partly because I used to be heavy, and I lead a more active outgoing lifestyle, now, so I'd want someone who'd like to that kind of thing. Plus, she's gotta look nice in fishnets and leather, because Rocky Horror isn't the same without them.

Yeah, I am kinda picky, more picky than I probably let on. Then again, I know women are, too. I know I get judged by my looks, a lot (because I'm not the most attractive guy around, no matter how much I work-out or dress to impress, there's no cure for a jacked-up face). So, I try to make up for it by being fun to be around (and sensually satisfying).

Legs, face and hair. Personality-wise, really laid back and independent. Those are the basics for me. The rest can come and go depending on the girl for all I care.

lol long-winded posts r boring

Eyes. Those are the first things about them that draws me in. And what will keep me drawn in is thier type of attitude. The ones with good sense of humor get my attention pretty fast.

Decent looks are a must, but for me the most important thing is that they have an 'edge' or darker side to their personality. By edge I mean things like they're reckless, or slightly obsessive about something or both. They also need to be creative rather than practical, or else our conversations seem to go out of sync about 3 minutes in.

I just wanted to stop buy and agree here. Her post was obviously not thought out very well. This "Hot subject" goes both ways. SO before any gender bashes the other, think about how you and/or your friends live your life/lives.

When I first meet a girl (or just see one walking down the street), I first notice if she has a cute face. Everything else is just secondary; however another thing I factor in is in fact, her clothes.

I'm not saying that girls need to dress in skirts and a tank top all the time, not at all. I do find it extremely unattractive when a girl takes little care of her appearance when she dresses. If you look like you just got out of bed in the morning by wearing baggy sweatpants and shower shoes, then it tells me a little about your personality. If you can't put a little effort into your appearance, then I don't see how you'd put more effort into a relationship/personality.

Noticed more recently I have a lot of respect for the hourglass shape. A girl can even be slightly chunky but if that shape is there it's nice to me.

Looks of course. Everyone does it. If you deny it, you're lying. Yes personality does count, but what catches your attention initially is how a person looks. After all, you can tell a lot by how a person carries himself or herself. The thing with looks is, it isn't everything. Yeah if someone looks good they'll get a lot of approaches, but if you're an idiot with an annoying personality, no one's going to stick with you.

Looks matter. It's what gets people's attention. But it's also important to have an attractive personality so you're able to keep those who you've attracted by your looks.

As for something more specific regarding what I notice with looks, they have to have a good face. If they have the hottest body in the world and have a messed up face, it really kills it.

I'd have to agree with your friend Sass, I simply adore you for who you are by personality.


As for me, I'm lazy. I don't do my make up everyday, I have my hair in a ponytail 96% of the time because I don't like it in my face (I believe it's the cause of my acne). My clothes are shit because I can't afford to replace my wardrobe every season and I'd rather save up that $100 to go travel someplace or buy a gift for someone like a family member or my boyfriend.

Yet, my boyfriend finds me attractive (so he says). I noticed he has a thing for my rear end than my bust, which is good considering I don't have much on my chest. He's half Mexican, if it explains any of the butt-fetish.

What I do put effort into though, is keeping the "natural beauty" look. I'm religiously using ProActive as if it would someday rid of all my zits and break-outs. I wash my hair with conditioner instead of shampoo everyday to keep my hair shiny. Of course I shampoo every other day, but I also follow up with conditioner on days I do wash my hair with shampoo. I brush my teeth after every meal and floss every night. I go to normal waxing sessions with my manicurist (I get manicure/pedicures maybe like twice a year as opposed to my bi-weekly waxing). I'm a very hairy person and I'm not afraid to admit it, so I wax it as often as I can possibly afford it (trust me, the girl who's getting weekly manicures still would be spending LESS than I would in a year).

This is so true. Obviously it doesn't happen to me anymore now that I'm married and older, but when I was younger I sort of developed a complex about this very thing. I got burned so many times by guys who pretended to be interested in me just long enough to get a date with me, but it would turn out that they really weren't interested in anything I had to say or in learning anything about me. And I was never even that good-looking. I can only imagine how shitty it must be for those drop dead gorgeous women. If I had looked like that, I think I would have uglied myself up on purpose every time I left the house just to fool all the assholes who only wanted to get into my pants.

I don't know if I speak for most people, but I'd like to delve into the psyche of the human mind...I think every person individually have multiple units of attraction possibilities. For the sake of clarity, lets assign a point value system to it. For instance, for me: A woman with exceptional physical features could equal the same amount of points as an average looking woman with exceptional artistic talents. In short I believe people just want something special in their partner whether it be in looks or talents. So to answer your question, I look for something special in a girl that stands out above the rest. I guess you all hate me now haha.

You know it's interesting. I've come across so many people who think eyes are the greatest thing ever. It's also a deeply romantic concept of staring into each others eyes aka into their souls.

I've never found eyes all that attractive or meaningful. I feel like I'm missing out on something here ; ;