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BucPride Mar 2, 2006 03:35 PM

2006 NFL Offseason Thread
 
Since the NFL season ended and the Steelers were crowned kings of the football world, alot has happened. No new CBA and tomorrow starts free agency. By this time Friday, expect to see a completely new NFL with massive cuts around the league if no new CBA miraculously comes through.

What the deal is, is that there will be a salary cap for this season, set at 95 million, taking off the extra 10-15 million which would be added on by the CBA (collective bargaining agreement).

What are the long-term ramifications for the league?
Barring a new CBA, the players either will be on strike or the owners will lock out the players in 2008. The union likely will decertify, and antitrust rules will apply. Also, the NFL draft will go away in 2008 as part of a clause inserted in the current CBA. Players coming out of college could be free agents, with no salary restrictions. Open negotiations, including those for rookies coming out of college, will leave it to the players to get what they can get.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2351462

All the information you need is above.

YO PITTSBURGH MIKE HERE Mar 2, 2006 03:39 PM

What's everyone think about the Steelers chances of getting back most of their championship winning roster? I'm thinking it's not good. Both Randel El and Pro Bowl center Jeff Hartings look to be very hard to sign, and may end up on the market for other teams. This would be a terrible loss, as the anchor of our line and one of the most versatile players in football would be gone. Plus, that would leave the wide receiving core very thin, and we need to find another running back, in my opinion. Duce and Parker simply will not suffice for a championship team.

Dopefish Mar 2, 2006 03:42 PM

After seeing the NHL go through a nasty labor dispute which really changed the game, I would certainly hope the NFL wouldn't go through the same thing, since they've managed to vault past MLB as the most popular sport in the nation. It's definitely curious to wonder what sort of sweeping roster changes come out of this, and we could see a different NFL economy in 1, 2, 3 years time.

YO PITTSBURGH MIKE HERE Mar 2, 2006 04:06 PM

I would really hate to see such a wonderful sport, with wonderful fans and organizations sink to this level. Compromise and quit bitching already.

Dopefish Mar 2, 2006 04:34 PM

BTW, I would mention how much more coverage this is already getting and the league isn't locked out yet, whereas the only coverage ESPN gave the NHL when they were going through this was when they were locked out, when they *ALMOST* had a deal in February and when the deal was reached.

Awesome work ESPN. ;)

stormshadow Mar 2, 2006 04:43 PM

That's only because 99% of the the US could care less about hockey.

Son of Wiseness Mar 2, 2006 04:47 PM

Everybody, I mean everybody I know likes the Pittsburgh Steelers just because the won Super Bowl 40. Why?

BucPride Mar 2, 2006 05:11 PM

According to ESPNNews, the NFL has delayed free agency (which would force teams to get under the cap) by 3 more days. Good news then, as it will give them alittle more time to get their shit together labor wise.

Rollins Mar 2, 2006 05:20 PM

There have been already a lot of reasonably big names that have been cut. Mike Anderson from Denver, Stephen Davis from Carolina, Sam Adams from Buffalo, and Sam Madison from Miami.

Additionally, they seriously do need to get this resolved as soon as possible. Something like this only gets worse with time and might start more fans irritated with these proceedings.

YO PITTSBURGH MIKE HERE Mar 2, 2006 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Son of Wiseness
Everybody, I mean everybody I know likes the Pittsburgh Steelers just because the won Super Bowl 40. Why?

Feel good story, and people always jump on the bandwagon.

Wojo Mar 2, 2006 09:53 PM

I think Randel El already said he was going to go play the for the Bears since that was his favorite team while growing up as a kid. It'll be hard to see him leave town.

Now who is going to do all of our trick plays?

YO PITTSBURGH MIKE HERE Mar 2, 2006 10:18 PM

Hines could pull some off, but he doesn't have the speed Randle El had. Who knows, though. We may be able to grab Larry Johnson (He has always wanted to play for the Steelers) and not even need to run trick plays.

DragoonKain Mar 3, 2006 02:24 AM

Eagles are supposedly very interested in Randle El. I don't want him. He's a jack of all trades, but a master of none. I'd rather have a master of one.

YO PITTSBURGH MIKE HERE Mar 3, 2006 02:25 AM

That last "Master of one" you had worked out pretty well.

DragoonKain Mar 3, 2006 02:27 AM

Guys I'm interested in are Eric Moulds(when cut), Antonio Bryant, and David Givens.

I'd take Randle El if I had to get him, but I'd prefer other guys. Him and Donovan are very good friends, and work out together in arizona.

Wojo Mar 3, 2006 12:26 PM

Just out of curiosity why do you have an MS Painted "X" on your little Philly icon there?

DragoonKain Mar 3, 2006 03:01 PM

Because I'm anti-Phillies at this current point in my life. They've bullied me as a fan for years and after not making the playoffs in 13 years I've grown tired of them as an organization. It shows my displeasure.

I used photoshop to make the X though.

YO PITTSBURGH MIKE HERE Mar 3, 2006 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DragoonKain
#1 fan of Eagles, Sixers, Flyers, Phillies, Allen Iverson, Kain Highwind, Yuber, Pesmerga, Dark Knight Cecil, Berserk, Monster, The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion.

Oh ok.

DragoonKain Mar 3, 2006 04:21 PM

I still love them deep down, but right now I won't support them until they support me, and by support me I mean doing what it takes to build a winning ball club.

Ryuu Mar 3, 2006 07:22 PM

Alright.


The Colts resigned Wayne, but they may not resign James (which may be a horrible idea due to how valuable he is to the team). Though there are A LOT of RBs in the draft this year. We also resigned Brackett (Linebacker) and Brock (Defensive Lineman). Now we're trying to make sure we keep everyone we can - though it looks like we're giving up Vanderjagt for missing that kick...

BucPride Mar 8, 2006 09:09 PM

The owners agreed about 15 mins ago that there will be a 6 year extension to the NFL's salary cap and Collective Bargaining Agreement. With that, about 10 million dollar just got added to this years salary cap. Alot of the details have yet to be released, which we'll find out prior to midnight, but it is now known that teams have alot more room.

As of right now, free agency is scheduled to begin at 12:01 Friday morning.

The Bucs, with this and Derrick Brooks' contract restructure that saved 11 million dollar over 2 seasons, will be able to resign Mike Alstott and make waves in free agency.

Ryuu Mar 8, 2006 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BucPride
The owners agreed about 15 mins ago that there will be a 6 year extension to the NFL's salary cap and Collective Bargaining Agreement. With that, about 10 million dollar just got added to this years salary cap. Alot of the details have yet to be released, which we'll find out prior to midnight, but it is now known that teams have alot more room.

As of right now, free agency is scheduled to begin at 12:01 Friday morning.

Thank God. The push from 94.5 Million to 105 Million will give breathing room to a lot of teams. Also, I was not too fond of the idea of an uncapped 2007...

Well everything is better again in the world of the NFL - let's get to signing those Free Agents.

BucPride Mar 8, 2006 11:01 PM

From the latest details, from the NFL Network, the deal is actually 102 million this year, and 107 million next year. Free agency may be pushed back to 12:01am Saturday.

All in all, the NFL has avoided turning into MLB tonight.

DragoonKain Mar 10, 2006 12:56 AM

There are reports out that Culpepper will be traded tomorrow or soon after, but the team isn't announced yet.

Speculation is either the Dolphins, Ravens, Raiders, or Rams.

BucPride Mar 12, 2006 06:13 AM

The Browns are busy...

"Former New Orleans center LeCharles Bentley agreed to terms with Cleveland -- 6 years, $36 million, with a $12 million signing bonus. The deal makes him the highest-paid center in NFL history.

Cleveland reached agreement with former Seattle wide receiver Joe Jurevicius on a four-year deal worth about $10 million."

They also reached a deal with T Kevin Schaffer.


"Former Denver defensive end Trevor Pryce reached agreement with Baltimore on a five-year, $25 million deal."

Looks like the AFC North will be a real battle this coming season. To check out all the NFL free agency action, check out:
http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork/story/9300482

Ryuu Mar 12, 2006 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DragoonKain
There are reports out that Culpepper will be traded tomorrow or soon after, but the team isn't announced yet.

Speculation is either the Dolphins, Ravens, Raiders, or Rams.


Vikings are doing A LOT this offseason:

"They signed running back Chester Taylor, kicker Ryan Longwell and linebacker Ben Leber after retaining receiver Koren Robinson and safety Willie Offord -- and continued to talk to other teams about trading disenfranchised quarterback Daunte Culpepper." - ESPN.com

They also signed former Giant Jason Whittle.

As for Culpepper, a lot of teams may not try and get him as teams only wish to trade a third round pick rather than the Viking's wish of a second round pick. Raiders may not be trying, though the Dolphins are in the middle - looking at both Brees and Culpepper.



Oh, and the Browns got Widereceiver Joe Jurevicius - great move.

BucPride Mar 12, 2006 03:30 PM

Its now official. Edgerrin James is now a member of the Arizona Cardinals, and Ted Washington (DT) just agreed in terms with the Browns.

Ryuu Mar 12, 2006 03:42 PM

That's good for the Cards but horrible for the Colts.

The Colts need to get a running back in the draft or find someone in free agency 'cause Rhodes is not going to be cut out for the starting position.


Browns also got a punter - I have to say that the Browns are doing a great job this offseason.



Oh and the Redskins got Randel El.

Wojo Mar 12, 2006 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryuu

Oh and the Redskins got Randel El.

Do you have source for this? I cant find anything saying that yet.

JackTheRipper Mar 12, 2006 04:17 PM

This stuff is ridiculous. I think the Cards should better this year.

Ryuu Mar 12, 2006 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wojo
Do you have source for this? I cant find anything saying that yet.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2365504

I got it from ESPN.com. That should link you to the article.

Wojo Mar 12, 2006 08:20 PM

Ahh I see now. Oh well. It was nice having you here Randle El. So long.

JackTheRipper Mar 12, 2006 08:22 PM

Maybe the Redskins will score some points this year. They could have a good chance in that division if their offense was stronger.

BucPride Mar 12, 2006 10:08 PM

Just a few more things to add...

"Vikings | Hutchinson will become highest paid guard in history
Sun, 12 Mar 2006 13:57:15 -0800

Len Pasquarelli, of ESPN.com, reports Seattle Seahawks transition free agent OG Steve Hutchinson (Seahawks) will become the highest paid guard in NFL history with the offer sheet he signed from the Minnesota Vikings. Hutchinson is set to earn $49 million over seven years, with $16 million in guaranteed money."

Ravens | Team reaches deal with M. Anderson
Sun, 12 Mar 2006 19:46:46 -0800

Jamison Hensley, of the Baltimore Sun, reports the Baltimore Ravens have agreed to a four-year contract with free agent RB Mike Anderson (Broncos). The total worth of the deal is believed to be $8 million with a $2 million signing bonus. Anderson expects to take over for RB Jamal Lewis as the team's starting running back

"Buccaneers | Team may offer Ashworth a contract
Sun, 12 Mar 2006 15:18:44 -0800

Jim Flynn, of PewterReport.com, reports free agent OL Tom Ashworth (Patriots) completed his visit with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers Sunday, March 12. Agent Tom Mills told PewterReport.com that he expects Bucs general manager Bruce Allen to extend a deal to his client as early as Sunday evening, March 12."

Well, I have to admit the Redskins are fairly well rounded out (besides the secondary). After looking at their contracts, it evident that they were built to win within the next two seasons by signing guys to long-term contracts. I.e. Portis is making $500,000 this year, next year that balloons to $3,500,000.

The downside to the Redskins is that they aren't overly talented in any one position either. They have a solid offensive line, but it can't dominate solid defenses. Their secondary is good, but can't stop an above average receiving corps. Their defensive line is consistent, but doesn't make many big plays. Their offense is overall solid, but when it went up against our defense in the playoffs, it didn't do squat.

Washington fans should be happy, not cocky, because the truth is that all their secondary needs is a single injury before it depletes, and their offensive line isn't what it used to be.

The problem with Lloyd is that he is the type of reciever that makes the highlight reel catch and drops the easy ones. His work ethic is questionable and he's been called out by Fred Beasley (who is a fullback mind you) as a result. But it seems as if he may be starting to turn it around and paired with a pretty good WR who knows.

YO PITTSBURGH MIKE HERE Mar 13, 2006 12:24 AM

Steelers are fucked this year. We have no offense. Unless we get a good wide receiver who can go for the deep ball, and a hard pounding running back, plan on a long season.

BucPride Mar 13, 2006 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capo
Steelers are fucked this year. We have no offense. Unless we get a good wide receiver who can go for the deep ball, and a hard pounding running back, plan on a long season.

Don't stress about your team yet. We've been in free agency for about 2 days, and the draft is still yet to arrive. I would worry about how my teams going to suck after all that.

The Steelers will get a few good names in free agency. Besides, they still have a great offensive line to work with, not to mention a tough defense. They should still be contending in the upcoming season, barring injuries of course. I'm looking forward to enjoying that Northern division to be one of the best with all the waves the Browns are making, as well as the Ravens, who just signed Mike Anderson as their RB, replacing Jamal Lewis.

Ryuu Mar 13, 2006 12:56 AM

Quote:

Antwaan Randle El (2005) -
Receptions: 35
Yards: 558
Touchdowns: 1
Steelers lost a lot of defense compared to offense: Kimo von Oelhoffen, Ike Taylor, and Deshea Townsend.


Anyways, there some decent WRs that could somewhat make up for Randle El's leaving (though Special Teams and the WR trick plays may need a lot of help now...): Burleson (Vikings), Price (Falcons/Cowboys), Brown (Patriots), Bryant (Browns), etc.

YO PITTSBURGH MIKE HERE Mar 13, 2006 01:01 AM

You just invalidated your own argument. Randle El contributed to a lot more than just the receiving game.

And, yeah, the defensive losses are pretty big, but they are all replaceable. I don't think Randle El is.

Ryuu Mar 13, 2006 03:27 PM

Well yeah, I'm just saying that Randle El did more on Special Teams instead of being an actual second starting WR.

Well anyways, take Bryant off the list of WRs, he's gone to the 49ers.

YO PITTSBURGH MIKE HERE Mar 13, 2006 05:21 PM

Bryant? Antonio Bryant? Bryant Johnson?

Also, Randle El got waaay more than he was worth.

Wojo Mar 13, 2006 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capo
Also, Randle El got waaay more than he was worth.

Yeah I was thinking the same exact thing. I dont know what Washington is planning on doing with him but god 38 Mil and a 11 mil signing bonus? Holy fuck thats a lot.

Lord Styphon Mar 13, 2006 05:26 PM

You expected Dan Snyder to show some kind of restraint with his money?

Wojo Mar 13, 2006 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Styphon
You expected Dan Snyder to show some kind of restraint with his money?

I am just curious to see how Washington is fitting under the cap.

YO PITTSBURGH MIKE HERE Mar 13, 2006 05:31 PM

Yeah, he's basically the anti-Rooney at this point.

Ryuu Mar 13, 2006 08:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capo
Bryant? Antonio Bryant? Bryant Johnson?

Also, Randle El got waaay more than he was worth.

Antonio Bryant.

And yeah, the 31 million and 11 million in bonuses is a crazy amount, though good for him. Definitely a lot more than the 18 million the Bears wanted to give him.

Anyways, I'm guessing the Redskins' depth chart for WR will be Santana Moss, Brandon Lloyd and then Antwaan Randle El.

[Edit:]
Oh, and I guess some important news.


Drew Brees of the Chargers has agreed to a six year deal with the Saints (which means Aaron Brooks will probably be released). Also, Dante Culpepper has been traded to the Dolphins for a 2nd Round Draft pick.

BucPride Mar 14, 2006 02:54 PM

Alot of new QBs in different cities now.

Brees agrees to six-year deal with Saints

Jay Glazer / FOXSports.com
Posted: 5 minutes ago



Moments after the Dolphins got Daunte Culpepper in a trade with the Vikings, free agent quarterback Drew Brees agreed to a six-year deal with the New Orleans Saints.

Financial terms of the deal have not yet been disclosed.

Daunte Culpepper finally has his wish.

FOXSports.com has learned the Vikings and Dolphins have agreed on a trade with Miami sending a second-round pick to the Vikings in exchange for the Pro Bowl quarterback.

The trade is contingent upon Culpepper passing a physical


Jon Kitna also signed with the Lions.

-New Orleans now has Drew Brees
-Miami has Daunte Culpepper
-Kitna is a Lion

Interesting.

Lord Styphon Mar 14, 2006 03:11 PM

I guess the Bengals couldn't remember where they stashed Kitna's agent's number. One has to assume they're looking over available veteran quarterbacks to get a replacement (particularly a cheaper one than Kitna would have been).

Dopefish Mar 14, 2006 03:19 PM

I'm guessing Lions management is tired of waiting for Joey Harrington to come around.

And the AFC East just got a little more interesting.

BucPride Mar 14, 2006 03:26 PM

Oh, the Titans signed David Givens and Kevin Mawae according to ESPNNEWS.

"Cowboys | K. Johnson released
Tue, 14 Mar 2006 13:22:17 -0800

The Dallas Cowboys have announced the release of WR Keyshawn Johnson."

Meshawn getting cut is awesome. Almost as awesome as Owens getting cut right before 4pm today.

Ryuu Mar 14, 2006 06:07 PM

Eagles and Cowboys may end up trading WR without intentially meaning to.

Cowboys want Owens, which is apparent by Johnson being cut. Eagles need a WR and they can get one in Keyshawn Johnson.

BucPride Mar 15, 2006 03:08 PM

Vikings | Team changing uniforms
Tue, 14 Mar 2006 19:46:00 -0800

Sean Jensen, of the Pioneer Press, reports the Minnesota Vikings will be wearing new uniforms for the 2006 season. Steve LaCroix, Vikings vice president of sales and marketing, confirmed the uniform change, although he declined to say to what extent. "We are working with the NFL and Reebok on some exciting changes for the 2006 season. The process is still continuing, but we'll look to have an unveiling later in the offseason for our fans," he said.


Funny, but I don't think it'll help them from sucking.

BucPride Mar 17, 2006 01:57 AM

Cowboys | Report - Owens agrees to three-year deal with Dallas
Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:55:47 -0800

Jay Glazer, of FOXSports.com, free agent WR Terrell Owens' (Eagles) agent, Drew Rosenhaus, has denied a report from KLBK-13 CBS TV in Lubbock, Texas, that Owens has agreed to a deal with the Dallas Cowboys. While Rosenhaus is denying the report, a source close to Owens has confirmed to FOXSports.com that Owens has agreed to a three-year deal and it will not be announced until the coming days.

Shocking news, I know.

Lord Styphon Mar 17, 2006 02:10 AM

As a Cowboy fan, I can't say I'm entirely pleased with this. Even if I didn't remember the star incident, there is still the way he effectively killed the Eagles last season with his complaining. That's hardly the kind of attitude a team should saddle themselves with lightly, even if Owens is probably the best reciever in the league.

On the other hand, Owens would have to live under Bill Parcells, which will hopefully do wonders for his attitude.

DragoonKain Mar 17, 2006 07:00 PM

It won't, TO and Bill won't get along.

Parcells will say something to TO that he'll take personally(like he takes everything) and from then on that marriage will be forever ruined.

JackTheRipper Mar 17, 2006 07:19 PM

I don't think this will work. TO bitched about McNabb, imagine what he'll say about the qb's in Dallas. I think TO and Bonds should retire now before they have everyone in America against them.

BucPride Mar 18, 2006 05:00 PM

I doubt it'll work out in the long run. This signing means the Cowboys, like the Redskins in their division are locked into the "win now" situation. They have built up a roster that will overlap the cap and/or retire within the next 3 seasons. Not that I'm complaining, I have no particular fondness of the NFC East.

By the way, did anyone catch Owens' press conference earlier today? I loved the comment "Just get your popcorn ready!" Enjoy him Dallas fans, I for one am breathing a sigh of relief since he won't be eventually breaking down my team.

DragoonKain Mar 18, 2006 05:43 PM

I got my popcorn ready. It's going to be fun to watch things turn sour before the season ends.

Ryuu Mar 18, 2006 05:52 PM

Well T.O. is usually "good" his first year with a new team. So perhaps the drama won't come until next season *shrugs*. Still, he'll probably do well for the Cowboys, however I doubt even Jones (the owner of the 'Boys) can control him.

DragoonKain Mar 19, 2006 12:13 AM

What a lot of people who live outside of Philly don't know is the problems with TO here actually started in his first season. TO got pissed when McNabb said the team could still make it to the Superbowl without TO(when TO got hurt). For some insane reason TO took offense to that(as he does everything) and ever since then hated McNabb.

TO is insane, and I mean that literally. He is a total nut. He holds PERMANENT grudges against people. Cris Carter once criticized him on TV, and like 2 years later, he went to shake TO's hand at the pro bowl and TO snubbed him. He's a first class self-centered jerk. All it takes is one small incident to make TO lose it.

I can see it now:

TO drops a catchable pass and Drew Bledsoe tells him to get his head in the game. There goes that relationship. TO will take complete offense to it, and procede to trash Bledsoe in the media after the game, and continue to trash him in the media every single day.

One thing about TO is, even though he says he promises to change, TO doesn't think he's doing anything wrong. The things he does, to him are justified.

Wojo Mar 19, 2006 12:32 AM

What I think will be interesting is when TO plays the Eagles in Philly this year. Oh I can only imagine what he will do to piss the fans off.

DragoonKain Mar 19, 2006 12:48 AM

He'll try, but we'll get the last laugh because he'll have a bad game as he typically does against the Eagles. He only has 2 career TDs against us I think and only averages like 5 catches and 60 yards per game.

He'll be shut down.

Lord Styphon Mar 19, 2006 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DragoonKain
He'll try, but we'll get the last laugh because he'll have a bad game as he typically does against the Eagles.

How many games has Owens played against the Eagles?

DragoonKain Mar 19, 2006 01:03 AM

I think 3, could be more. At least in the Andy Reid era.

Last time he was here Michael Lewis cracked his collar bone.

Ouch :edgarrock:

Ryuu Mar 19, 2006 10:55 AM

According to Yahoo Sports:

T.O. has played the Eagles 4 times in his career with 21 receptions, 300 yards, and 3 touchdowns.

DragoonKain Mar 19, 2006 03:20 PM

Then the stats they showed on ESPN must've been only in the Andy Reid era. TO was drafted back in 96 so one of those games was probably before Andy got here. I could be wrong.

BucPride Mar 20, 2006 05:33 PM

http://nfl.com/news/story/9323440
--
Tagliabue to retire as Commissioner in July

A sad day in the NFL

Ryuu Mar 20, 2006 06:19 PM

Indeed. He did a great job with the new NFL deal before he decided to retire. He was great.

Rollins Mar 20, 2006 06:34 PM

He definitely left on a high note, with the new CBA. If he was waiting for the best chance to step down, he got it.

BucPride Mar 20, 2006 09:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rollins
He definitely left on a high note, with the new CBA. If he was waiting for the best chance to step down, he got it.

Most definately. In his press conference at 4:30, he said that this seemed like the best time to go. However, if the NFL cannot find a replacement by July, then he said he will stay on until they do find someone.

Ryuu Mar 21, 2006 06:59 PM

Hmmm...

What do you all think about the possibility of Keyshawn Johnson joining the Giants. This would give their offense: Toomer, Burress, Johnson, Barber and Shockey in terms of receiving alone.

I just can't see Keyshawn functioning on the Giants though if any such idea does happen. Him working with a third year QB in Manning, and the fact that he would be second to Burress makes the idea of him joining the Giants dismissable.



Oh and I <3 irony. Patriots ex-Kicker Vinatieri is going to the Colts lol.

Wojo Mar 21, 2006 11:42 PM

Burress will not work together with Keyshawn at all. Both are "in the spot light" type receivers and I have no doubt that they would butt heads.

Ryuu Mar 24, 2006 07:55 AM

Meh.

Well, Mike Vanderjagt is with the Cowboys, and Keyshawn Johnson is with the Panthers.

Wojo Mar 24, 2006 08:49 AM

I think its amazing how all these veteran players are leaving New England. Seems like that playoff loss really broke their back. So much for their dynasty.

bighunt Mar 24, 2006 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wojo
I think its amazing how all these veteran players are leaving New England. Seems like that playoff loss really broke their back. So much for their dynasty.

As long as they have Tom Brady, they're still legit in the AFC. Now, Miami has made some pretty decent moves. As for NE, i'd never count them out. they still have a decent running game. they may not be a good as years past, but until someone knocks them off, the Pats are still kings of the AFC east.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ryuu
Well, Mike Vanderjagt is with the Cowboys, and Keyshawn Johnson is with the Panthers.

i'm a huge cowboys fan and it's about damn time they get a decent kicker!! damn Cortez cost us too many games last year. (i.e. Seattle game)
I liked Keyshawn, but as soon as they cut him, everyone knew what was going to happen next. as long as TO scpres touchdowns and beats the SHIT of the 'skins, then i'm happy. just with these 2 moves, Dallas has become one of the favorites in the NFC.

Wojo Mar 24, 2006 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bighunt
As long as they have Tom Brady, they're still legit in the AFC. Now, Miami has made some pretty decent moves. As for NE, i'd never count them out. they still have a decent running game. they may not be a good as years past, but until someone knocks them off, the Pats are still kings of the AFC east.

Oh yeah I agree that they will be kings of the AFC East still because their division isn't up to par. I just don't think they will be as good as they used to be. You mentioned the running game. Yeah it's still decent. However Corey Dillion isn't getting any younger.

BucPride Mar 24, 2006 04:29 PM

The Pats are losing alot of talent. Willie McGinest, Ashworth, Givens, Viniteari (sp), Andre' Davis, Christian Fauria. You can give me the Tom Brady rhetoric for so long, but he needs people up front blocking for him. The draft is still to come, and plenty of free agents are still around. The Pats will have competition next season from the Dolphins and probably the Bills, of course as long as the Bills stay healthy and Culpepper returns to form.

BucPride Apr 2, 2006 11:42 AM

Just a little update:

CHICAGO (March 31, 2006) -- Chicago Bears defensive lineman Terry "Tank" Johnson is recovering from surgery to repair a torn quadriceps muscle, an injury that could sideline him for at least four months.
(http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/CHI/9349383)

MINNEAPOLIS (March 31, 2006) -- Burleson signed an offer sheet last week for a seven-year contract worth up to $49 million, including $5.25 million guaranteed. In response to a similar tactic Minnesota used to sign All-Pro guard Steve Hutchinson to an offer sheet earlier this month, Seattle put a pair of provisions in the deal that would make it impractical for the Vikings to match.
(http://www.nfl.com/teams/story/SEA/9350301)

NEWARK, N.J. (March 31, 2006) -- The New York Giants and Jets moved a step closer to their new home in the Meadowlands.

Officials from New Jersey, the Giants and the Jets said March 31 they've made several changes to an agreement signed last fall that will create a new, $1 billion football stadium in East Rutherford. The stadium is expected to open for the 2010 season and will seat about 81,000.
(http://nfl.com/news/story/9349298)

By the way NFL fans, NFL Head Coach is on its way out.

"IGN: You do so many different things in the game. How do you keep the gamer focused and having fun?

Strauser: This is definitely a deep game. We did some math today and figured out that one season could take 20 to 30 hours. That's a lot of time, so when you're talking 30 seasons that's a tremendously deep game. You can sim through most tasks and we have a sim log that keeps you posted on what happened, but the tasks are so different week to week that you want to do them to benefit your team. I'm not going to lie. It's an extremely deep game. You have to be a football fan. This isn't Mario Party and it's not Madden. When I first started playing, I was getting killed by the computer because I wasn't preparing my team.

In Madden, you win by your twitch skills and not your football knowledge. You can just take Michael Vick and use the juke stick or playmaker control and win. You don't rely upon playcalling and football skills and preparation and things like that. I have an old Madden T-shirt that says, 'Are you a playmaker?' I put that on the other day and was like, that is so not Head Coach. Here, you're preparing your team, setting them up to make plays."

Read the interview in its entirerty here.

bighunt Apr 2, 2006 03:11 PM

that game sounds like a pretty big gamble. i love the NFL, but i don't play much Madden. NFL HC doesn't seem like any fun. like the guy said, you HAVE to be a football fan. i guess for some die-hard strategy fans, this is a gem, but it's not for me.

BucPride Apr 2, 2006 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by bighunt
that game sounds like a pretty big gamble. i love the NFL, but i don't play much Madden. NFL HC doesn't seem like any fun. like the guy said, you HAVE to be a football fan. i guess for some die-hard strategy fans, this is a gem, but it's not for me.

I see your point of view. Me, being the guy who's life solely revovles around football, will love this one. It'll be great since it tests more of your knowledge of the game rather than being able to juke at the right time.

bighunt Apr 3, 2006 01:37 PM

i defintiely agree. it's much more of a mental game, than a "button-mashing" game. it's funny, cause my friends love Madden and i've seen the level of detail that's involved in the offseason trades/draft. i never thought there'd be a game solely based on the coaching position!

bighunt Apr 6, 2006 12:16 PM

the full NFL schedule comes out at 2pm today. anyone else psyched?? Dallas has had a tough schedule the last few years. it'd be nice if the NFL was lenient to them this year.
But i do know it'll be a steel cage match when they play f-n Philly on CHRISTMAS DAY!!! T.O returns to the disaster he caused last year. if the Philly fans boo Santa, they'll MURDER T.O.

Edit: Dallas plays in Philly week 5 (Oct. 8). I guess the city didn't want Dallas in town on Christmas! for them it'd be the equivilent of the grinch coming.

Ryuu Apr 6, 2006 07:01 PM

Colts vs. Giants in Week 1. I've been waiting for this one.

Rollins Apr 6, 2006 08:03 PM

Looks like the Redskins are finally starting to get some national TV exposure. Monday night game in Week 1 with Minnesota, then a Sunday night game next week with Dallas and then a Saturday night game with the Giants in the last week of the season.

But other than the required Dallas matchups, nothing looks too exciting =/ At least we got Philly in on the Dallas hatred now.

BucPride Apr 7, 2006 11:25 AM

3 games within 11 days and a week 4 bye, not to mention cold weather games come December. This'll be interesting.

And how the fuck do the Packers and Raiders each get 4 primetime games?

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Originally Posted by Rollins
Looks like the Redskins are finally starting to get some national TV exposure. Monday night game in Week 1 with Minnesota, then a Sunday night game next week with Dallas and then a Saturday night game with the Giants in the last week of the season.

But other than the required Dallas matchups, nothing looks too exciting =/ At least we got Philly in on the Dallas hatred now.

Philly has been hating Dallas for some time now. I remember watching an NFL Films show in the late 1990's, telling about how Eagle fans teach their kids to say "Dallas sucks".

bighunt Apr 7, 2006 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rollins
At least we got Philly in on the Dallas hatred now.

Shoot man, i dislike Philly, but i LOATHE the 'skins. there is no other team in the NFL who i wish more ill-will upon than Washington.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BucPride
And how the fuck do the Packers and Raiders each get 4 primetime games?

I think the reason why is those teams are interesting. they're not too good, but they COULD have good storylines by the time they play. For instance, will Favre still be around? who'll QB the raiders? will Moss have a good year?
I haven't looked in detail at the schedule, but if the packers and raiders have Sunday night games on NBC, w/the new flexible scheduling, they might NOT be on primetime.

Rollins Apr 7, 2006 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bighunt
Shoot man, i dislike Philly, but i LOATHE the 'skins. there is no other team in the NFL who i wish more ill-will upon than Washington.

Haha, is it because of Snyder's free-spending ways? For awhile, we weren't big fans of that in Washington either, since it wasn't giving us any wins >_> I'm afraid how much many he would have spent if there was a non-cap season. But I'm sure there are many other reasons as well.

I think just being in the same division breeds rivalries. The NFC East is probably the best example of this, they kept Dallas in the "East" after re-alignment in 2002 because of their relationship with the other teams in the division (when other teams, like St. Louis made more sense geographically). Maybe I'm just hyping up the Washington/Dallas one because it's the most dear to my heart (a source of many heartbreaks and joyous moments).

bighunt Apr 8, 2006 04:12 AM

It's not Snyder. Jerry Jones is a big spender too. Because i'm a life-long Cowboys fan, it my DUTY to hate the 'skins. think of it as Duke-UNC or FLA-UGA. Plus, where I live, the 'skins always get the benefit of being on the tv for the games. I wish the local Fox station would show more Cowboys games.

BucPride Apr 8, 2006 05:25 AM

Farve will make his decision today, this morning to be exact. I'm very interested to see if #4 is going to hang it up.

EDIT: Nevermind.

Ryuu Apr 8, 2006 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ESPN.com
Favre still hasn't decided whether to play next season


TUNICA, Miss. -- Brett Favre, one of the NFL's great quarterbacks, is still unsure if he will play another year with the Green Bay Packers.

"No change. I don't know, once again," he said at a brief news conference Saturday from the site of his charity golf tournament. "I don't know why you guys wasted a trip down here. The Packers and I will make a decision at some point soon."

The 36-year-old Favre -- whose grit, durability and cannon arm have become his trademark -- is the NFL's only three-time MVP (1995-97).

"I know people are getting impatient," he said. "But enjoy baseball right now."

The Packers finished 4-12 last season, their first losing season since he joined the team in 1992. Asked about the makeup of the team, he said the Packers need to "make a statement," and he mentioned the acquisition of Reggie White before the 1993 season, which immediately upgraded that team.

Favre insisted he has not made up his mind, and he is not withholding his decision.

"No, I don't think that's fair to the Packers," he said. "If I knew one way or the other, for sure, and I wouldn't tell the Packers or not tell the media, that's unfair."

"I think the Packers have to go in a certain direction at some point," he added. "When I do know, I would tell them as soon as possible -- maybe within the next week. It has been a strain on the family as well."

Favre ranks second behind Dan Marino on the NFL's career list in touchdown passes (396), yards passing (53,615) and completions (4,678). He holds the NFL record for most consecutive starts for a quarterback with 221 (241 including the playoffs).

Favre has led the Packers to six division crowns, restoring success to one of the NFL's most famous franchises. The Packers won the 1997 Super Bowl in New Orleans, a 35-21 victory over New England, returning the Lombardi Trophy to Green Bay for the first time in 29 years.

Last season he threw a career-high 29 interceptions and failed to throw for more than 20 touchdowns for only the second time since 1993.

There are concerns about the team's offensive line, which struggled last season after the departure of stalwart guards Mike Wahle and Marco Rivera to free agency. Favre also wants to make sure the Packers are going to be competitive after a dreadful last season.

Speculation about Favre's future has become an annual rite of winter in Wisconsin. He has spoken of retirement in years past, only to return.

Through it all, there has been a string of family troubles. His father died in December 2003. His wife, Deanna, survived breast cancer and mourned the death of her brother in an all-terrain vehicle accident. Several members of Favre's family in Mississippi were displaced because of Hurricane Katrina.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.


This is a shame. The draft is coming up, and he's putting the Packers in an awkward position. If Farve comes back, they can add to the offense and defense to support him, but if he doesn't then they can go out and see what fits Aaron Rodgers. But since he can't decide, he's basically placing them in limbo.

bighunt Apr 8, 2006 11:51 AM

Favre's becoming a selfish asshole. make up your g-d mind already!!!

YO PITTSBURGH MIKE HERE Apr 8, 2006 12:05 PM

He deserves as much time as he wants after everything he's done for that team. People forget what he's done for them so quickly.

BucPride Apr 8, 2006 04:48 PM

Farve is not holding them hostage by any means. They have plenty of cap room, and even if Farve retires. he would only cost GB 2mil of a cap hit, so thats no big deal. He has earned his time from this small town. Yes, people are getting impatient, but let him take his time. Its a pretty important decision. I still think he'll come back in about a month, probably after the draft.

The Packers have a replacement ready for him in Rodgers, Reguardless, there still going to pick up the same people and draft the same people, which in all likelyhood would be AJ Hawk at 5th overall, followed by an offensive lineman in the second. They definately have the talent, all that team needs to do is stay healthy. As I recall, they lost pretty much all of their close games last season, so they can overcome a 4-12 season and go 10-6, 11-5 come next season, as long as their healthy and make a few more additions. Theirs plenty of players still out in free agency as well as the draft.

bighunt Apr 9, 2006 04:41 AM

favre HAS done a lot for Green Bay, but his recent actions tell me he's holding the Packers hostage. I would hate it if Aikman did the same to the Cowboys!
I'm not sure Rodgers will be ready by season's start anyway. From what i remember, Favre did absolutely nothing to help groome Rodgers for the NFL. they might as well be putting in a rookie if Rodgers starts for them.

BucPride Apr 9, 2006 11:53 AM

Reguardless if he is ready or not, they still do need to sign a QB anyway with only two on the roster, as Craig Nall went to the Bills. The way the Packers move through the offseason, free agency and draft, shouldn't change all that much, if at all even.

DragoonKain Apr 10, 2006 03:07 AM

Speaking of the Packers, the hot rumors floating in Philly are that the Eagles really want Javon Walker, and that Walker wants to be an Eagle as well. Walker and McNabb share the same agent, and work out together in Arizona during the offseason.

Now if only Ted Thompson would trade him already. The rumors are that the Packers are holding out until around draft time to sort things out and then deal him.

I want Walker a lot. I don't care if he's coming off an ACL injury either. He's a stud.

Would give the Eagles a very good receiving corps. Walker, Reggie Brown, and Gaffney are all young and good receivers. Then you have Pinkston to stretch the field as well, but he's coming off an achilles injury.

Chairman Kaga Apr 10, 2006 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capo
He deserves as much time as he wants after everything he's done for that team. People forget what he's done for them so quickly.

What the hell? I disagree with anyone who says that Lord Favre should take as much time as He wants because He's a future HOFer. BFD. He's one of many players on the team, and lately, His action have shown He is selfish.

- Late last year He said he may retire if the team fired Sherman and didn't want to learn a new offensive system.
- Said He's waiting to see how much Thompson improves the team via FA. Who the hell does Lord Favre think he is? Greater than the GM?
- He keeps pushing back the deadline when to make a decision. And recently He was quoted "What are they gonna do, cut me?" That's easily a sign of selfishness, and someone who thinks He is greater than the team.


And He's hurting the team by not making a decision, when the team could sign a vetern QB. Why would Kerry Collins (or any vetern QB) want to sign with Green Bay if Lord Favre may come back and be on the bottom of the depth chart?


Oh, and this is coming from a Packer fan.

Ryuu Apr 10, 2006 07:27 PM

Well news away from Farve.

Moulds was sent to the Texans, so to replace him, Buffalo got Peerless Price once again (if you recall, Buffalo sent him to Atlanta a few years ago).


I'm really excited about this upcoming year, so many trades and moves have been made - it's crazy. I'm surprised at how many WRs were moved around: Owens, Johnson, Bryant, Price, Moulds, Randle El, Gaffney, Lloyd, Jurevicious, etc.

bighunt Apr 11, 2006 01:44 PM

That Moulds news is new to me. i thought he couldn't get along w/the management up there? He's a quality receiver, but to go back to Buffalo doesn't make sense to me.

Ryuu Apr 11, 2006 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bighunt
That Moulds news is new to me. i thought he couldn't get along w/the management up there? He's a quality receiver, but to go back to Buffalo doesn't make sense to me.

Moulds went to the Texans...

I think you meant Price, right?

bighunt Apr 16, 2006 04:39 PM

T.O didn't show up for the voluntary practice held this past week. Although it was his decision, T.O. MIGHT be making a big mistake by not attending. From what i've read and heard, Parcells expects his players to show up for these camps.
IMO, Owens should have made it to the practice. why? cause it shows your new teammates that you're serious this time. he got a nice chunk of change, he should get acquainted w/at least the Offense. I pray this isn't a sign of things to come in the fall.
Jerry Jones vs T.O. vs Coach Parcells... Round 1.... Begin!!!
*Closes eyes not to watch*

BucPride Apr 23, 2006 02:28 PM

Alright we are 6 days to the NFL draft. Rumor has it the Texans are looking at not only Reggie Bush, but Mario Williams as well. I would just dismiss this as hearsay, but the fact that Bush left Texas without any contract negociations taken place, I feel like the Texans aren't completely sold on Bush. They could make a very profitable trade out of that spot and still be picking in the top 5, which could land them D'Brickishaw Fergeson (sp) or Mario Williams. Are the Texans serious about passing up Reggie Bush and what do you all think about this?

Rollins Apr 26, 2006 12:08 AM

Favre makes it official, one more season in Green Bay.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2421947

A long time coming. But good to see a choice has finally been made.

DragoonKain Apr 26, 2006 12:43 AM

I don't think there's any way the Texans pass on Bush. I personally think Bush will end up being one of the 5 best RBs ever.

BucPride Apr 26, 2006 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rollins
Favre makes it official, one more season in Green Bay.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2421947

A long time coming. But good to see a choice has finally been made.

Most definately. At least all the turmoil has ended in Green Bay for the moment. It does suck for me as this might sway a hopeful Buccaneer signee in Charles Woodson possibly more towards Green Bay.

And Miami's resident herbal fanatic just got a year suspension. The whole situation is hilarious to me.

Double Post:
Quote:

Originally Posted by DragoonKain
I don't think there's any way the Texans pass on Bush. I personally think Bush will end up being one of the 5 best RBs ever.

I agree with you that they don't pass up Bush, but to say that he will be a top 5 RB of all time is quite a stretch. He will be a faster, more dynamic version of Brian Westbrook. He will be a success, barring injury, but I'm not ready to say he will be in such a coveted place yet.

If I'm the Texans, holding Carr, two pro-bowl WRs, and a 1000 yard runner in Dom Davis, I'd much rather trade down a few picks (not out of the top 5 mind you). See if I could get anything lucrative out of a team that is in love with Reggie Bush, along with a top 5 selection, which would still grant me possibly a Mario Williams, D'Brickishaw Fergeson (sp), or AJ Hawk.


Did anyone hear about the Raiders new stadium they plan to build? Al Davis was very excited about the plans set forth the by the Oakland city council.
http://www2.theraiderssuck.com:8085/.../alcatraz2.jpg

Chairman Kaga Apr 27, 2006 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rollins
Favre makes it official, one more season in Green Bay.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2421947

A long time coming. But good to see a choice has finally been made.

More like it was official when the schedule came out.


And Charles Woodson signed with the Pack (too bad BucPride :p)! With ZERO signing bonus. His first year salary is $10.5 million because the Pack have so much cap room.


In other news, the Vikes new uniform sucks big time.

Wojo Apr 27, 2006 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BucPride

Did anyone hear about the Raiders new stadium they plan to build? Al Davis was very excited about the plans set forth the by the Oakland city council.
http://www2.theraiderssuck.com:8085/.../alcatraz2.jpg

What the fuck is this? Alcatraz?

Ryuu Apr 27, 2006 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wojo
What the fuck is this? Alcatraz?

That's what I thought when I saw that lol.


Anyways, one more year with the Packers then. I really wish the Packers did more in the off-season. Like, I don't even think they did much of anything really.

As for the draft, I'm looking forward to it - at least the first round, though maybe the second as well. I never usually watch past that - though then again, I never actually sit there and watch the draft for hours straight either. *Shrug* We'll see how long I'll last, probably the Top 5-10, and then I'll come back from the final few in the first round into the top couple in the second round.

BucPride Apr 27, 2006 11:19 PM

If the Packers have a good season, then I don't see why Brett wouldn't come back. The whole reason behind it was that he was afraid of it being not fun anymore, as it was his first losing season in his starting career. If they Packers do well, and look like they could be ready to make a serious run, I'm sure he'd love to stay on. As long as his legs stay in shape, he'll be physically able.

As for the draft, I'll watch until my team picks, then walk away. I'll hang out at the house and chill on the internet or play a game for awhile (since it is a Saturday and I'm usually tired/relaxing before my friends and I play football on Sunday. Its a perfect setup if I miss the pick, because everyone on the Buccaneer boards will post 15 topics on our latest pick.

I'm happy for the Packers since we won't be seeing them as much anymore. I can safely root for Farve now. Its too bad about Woodson, but I'm glad we didn't overpay for him as Green Bay obviously did. However, as you said Kaga, they have plenty of money to spare this year, so its not a problem for them. I put the spin on that now, with BK, Ronde, and Juran Bolden all over 30 years old at CB, we will be drafting a young corner or two at the draft *crosses fingers for Justin Wyatt*.

By the way, yeah, its Alcatraz. I got the pic of a Bronco board, since its pretty much a 'fuck the Raiders' mentality over there. Its a classic pic of what embodies the Raiders and has for generations, criminal, dirty players.

EDIT : Lmao Kaga. I just saw the Viks new uniforms. Those look way too much like what the Cardinals did to theirs, or the NFL equivilant to the Lakers uniforms almost.

Wojo Apr 28, 2006 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BucPride
By the way, yeah, its Alcatraz. I got the pic of a Bronco board, since its pretty much a 'fuck the Raiders' mentality over there. Its a classic pic of what embodies the Raiders and has for generations, criminal, dirty players.

Haha awesome. The Raiders first game should just have Sean Connery say WELCOME TO THE ROCK.

YO PITTSBURGH MIKE HERE Apr 28, 2006 07:39 PM

While it would be great if the Steeler could somehow miraculously pick Lendale White in tommorow's draft, I really think Sinorice Moss is a great steal so late in the first round. He fills the hole that Antwaan Randle El leaving made, and should have a productive rookie campaign. Here's hoping for yet another terrific first round pick by the Steelers. In the last 4 years, we've gotten, in chronological order: Kendal Simmons, Troy Polomalu, Ben Roethlisberger, and Heath Miller. Now that's great management.

xman25 Apr 28, 2006 09:40 PM

From ESPN: "Mario Williams signed a six-year, $54 million deal with Houston.
Meet the NFL draft's new leading man. His name: Mario Williams. Houston signed the NC State defensive end Friday night to make Williams the overall top pick Saturday."

I don't know why they picked him, the Texans need good offensive linemen. I hope the Texans use their other picks to get offensive players.

xman25

Lord Styphon Apr 28, 2006 10:00 PM

What is this.

The Texans had already pissed off many local fans by saying they weren't going to draft Vince Young. Now they've pissed off the fans that would have accepted passing on Young if they got Reggie Bush, and pissed away a rushing and recieving threat (and considering how crappy the Texans offense has been, that's not something they can afford to do likely), a potential special teams threat, and all the advertising and merchandise money they would have gotten nationwide with Bush.

Why is this the most boneheaded move ever.

Wojo Apr 28, 2006 10:05 PM

Owned.

But your a Texans fan Styphon? I always thought you were a Cowboys fan.

Lord Styphon Apr 28, 2006 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Wojo
Owned.

But your a Texans fan Styphon? I always thought you were a Cowboys fan.

I am a Cowboys fan, and the Texans management is making it even easier to be one. But as I live in Houston, I have a certain level of affinity.

But it's not like I need to be a Texans fan to know how fucking stupid this was.

xman25 Apr 28, 2006 10:11 PM

I live in Houston. It's been painful to watch the Texans on offense, especially last season. I was really hoping that the team would take Vince Young. I hope the Texans get a lot of crap for this, the deserve it. I'm worried that David Carr (Texans' QB) is going to die in a game because he is taking too many hits. He needs a line to protect him.

xman25

Night Phoenix Apr 28, 2006 10:13 PM

Five years from now this will be heralded as one of the biggest draft blunders ever.

Reggie Bush is a game changer, someone who can instantly make an entire team better. Mario Williams, while a great weapon to have, won't make the Texans any better because the rest of the defense sucks. Common sense tells you that you go with Bush, who can make an instant impact.

Now the big question is this: Who takes Reggie Bush now?

YO PITTSBURGH MIKE HERE Apr 28, 2006 10:16 PM

The very next team to pick: The Saints.

Night Phoenix Apr 28, 2006 10:22 PM

I find that doubtful - Deuce McAllister is still an effective running back and the Saints have a lot of money invested in him. I find it more likely that the Saints trade away the 2nd pick to other teams for a later 1st round pick and a 2nd round pick to address many other needs that they as a team need.

Lord Styphon Apr 28, 2006 10:28 PM

This, in turn, leads us to the new Big Question: do the Titans, with the third pick, go with Young or Matt Leinart?

Chairman Kaga Apr 29, 2006 02:40 AM

Lord Styphon and Night Phoenix:
I love how you folks think you know better than the Houston Texans on whom to draft. Never mind the fact that NFL teams spend hours upon hours studying college players for months. I suppose if you 2 know so much, then why aren't the both of you working for an NFL team as a scout or GM?



Anyway, with the 5th pick, I hope Ted Thompson takes the best player available regardless of position. Don't commit the cardinal sin of drafting: drafting for need.

BucPride Apr 29, 2006 03:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capo
While it would be great if the Steeler could somehow miraculously pick Lendale White in tommorow's draft, I really think Sinorice Moss is a great steal so late in the first round. He fills the hole that Antwaan Randle El leaving made, and should have a productive rookie campaign. Here's hoping for yet another terrific first round pick by the Steelers. In the last 4 years, we've gotten, in chronological order: Kendal Simmons, Troy Polomalu, Ben Roethlisberger, and Heath Miller. Now that's great management.

Most definately the Steelers have done well in round one as of late. Lendale White would be the ideal replacement for Bettis, but you can find good running backs in the mid-round. Moss might end up slipping to 32, and if he does, the Steelers should take him. If not, White will definately be there.

EDIT : Goddamn fucking shit. I accidently pushed the backspace key and erased the 6 paragraphs I was writing. Damnit, anyway. I'll just throw out my mock of the 1st round.
Spoiler:

1. DE Mario Williams - Despite what most of you are saying, this is a smart pick, just as much as Bush would have been. Football games depend a considerable amount on the lineman. In a 3-4 scheme, edge rushers like Mario can be highly coveted. Now, with Williams, Travis Johnson, and Dunta Robinson, the Texans have a young, talented defense, and could very well draft Darnell Bing in the second.

2. OT D'Brickishaw Ferguson - Obviously, getting a franchise tackle to go along with Jamal Brown from last year would be ideal for this offense. I don't see the Saints passing up a guy with this much talent.

3. QB Vince Young - Trust me, this is a complete guess, as it could very well be Leinart. It all comes down to the organization sway between the Titans GM and Chow/Fisher. Whoever gets the final say gets their prospect, and I believe it'll be Young.

4. RB Reggie Bush - With an aging and oft hurt Curtis Martin, the Jets can't pass this up. With a QB battle between Ramsey and Pennington to be had this looks good for them. They could even continue to improve their offense by selecting Mike Degory, the center out of Florida (and a blue-chipper), in the ealry-mid rounds later in the draft.

5. TE Vernon Davis - Again, this is basicly a coin toss between LB AJ Hawk and the TE Vernon Davis. At the end of the day, the atvantage of having two big, athletic guys in Davis and Franks in the redzone area for Farve seems to attractive for the Pack to pass up. As for the Green Bay, they have been rumored to be in trading negociations with the Browns for veteran center Jeff Faine. If they get him, and pull off a Lelie/Walker exchange with Denver (which could happen), they could make a legitament pick for the playoffs.

6. LB AJ Hawk - Since Julian Peterson went to Seattle, Nolan can't pass Hawk up. Should the Packers draft Hawk, however, change the last two picks, even though I see it playing out like this.

7. QB Matt Leinart - Going on the idea Young goes to the Titans, Leinart goes right here to the Raiders. But, this also raises the question, how much to the Raiders like the QB they drafted last year, Andrew Walter? I still think they make the choice to grab Leinart here, or Young if the Titans make the opposite choice above. But, I wouldn't rule out an Ernie Sims here at LB.

8. DT Brodrick Bunkley - Cover two nose tackle. New coach Dick Jauron shouldn't pass up a chance to snag something that will improve the 2nd worst rushing defense last year.

9. DB Michael Huff - Can't be anymore obvious than this. He's definately the best DB you can draft, as he can play corner or safety with his speed. Rod Marinelli should take him and improve that lackluster secondary.

10. OT Winston Justice - Part of the reason why Arizona’s rushing attack last season finished last a year ago was because of the offensive line. They’ve addressed their RB situation by signing Edgerrin James but offensive line remains a big concern. Justice has great size and athleticism. He also put up 38 reps of 225 on the bench at his pro day. A lot of people including myself believe Justice has more upside than D’Brickashaw Ferguson. John Fox was quoted saying “Some teams including the Panthers rate Justice ahead of Ferguson.” That’s saying a lot.

11. QB Jay Cutler - Cutler is a perfect fit for new Rams coach Scott Lineham’s system. He is a good athlete and an extremely strong arm which would help solidify the Rams new era under Scott Lineham. Lineham has been extremely high on Cutler, so if the Cardinals pass on Cutler, he doesn't fall past St.Louis.

12. DT Haloti Ngata - Big-sized DT that would be a great pickup for this 3-4 defense. He can start right off and big a force for their run defense. Despite the signing of 38 year old Ted Washington the Browns are still in the market for a nose tackle. That’s exactly what Ngata is. Ngata is 345 pounds and is your ideal 3-4 nose tackle. Romeo Crennel said he wants Washington to play only up to 15 snaps game, so the definitely means they have a need for another nose tackle. Don’t rule out Kamerion Wimbley though.

Sorry, stopping here. Too late for something that'll be over in 14 hours. But thats my top 12 picks.

Lord Styphon Apr 29, 2006 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chairman Kaga
I love how you folks think you know better than the Houston Texans on whom to draft. Never mind the fact that NFL teams spend hours upon hours studying college players for months. I suppose if you 2 know so much, then why aren't the both of you working for an NFL team as a scout or GM?

I personally love I've offered reasons why this move was a mistake on the Texans' part, while you've offered nothing but the tired "you think you can do better?" response. You might want to work on that.

Also, the sportswriters appear agree with my opinion in this case. Richard Justice's column on the Chronicle sports section's front page says it all: "Bypassing Bush smacks of stupidity".

I would assume that these people, who have been covering sports for years, and who would need to do research on their stories (like ones about draft prospects), would know something about what they're talking about.

And what they're saying is that the Texans screwed up royally.

Incidentally, BucPride, you specifically mentioned Williams being highly coveted in a 3-4 defense. While I'm not going to argue that point with you, I will point out that the Texans are switching to a 4-3 defense this season, so Williams' potential value in a 3-4 scheme doesn't exactly apply to the Texans anymore.

Ryuu Apr 29, 2006 10:09 AM

I was shocked. I really thought the Texans would take Bush no matter what.

Wow.


But yeah, Bush will still end up the top 5 - though nevertheless, ESPN is saying (via Television) that the Saints, Titans, and Jets are thinking of getting Bush. However, if no one trades with the Saints, there's the good chance they're going to go out and grab him.

Wojo Apr 29, 2006 11:30 AM

And now the mystery is solved. Saints picked Reggie Bush.

BucPride Apr 29, 2006 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Styphon
Incidentally, BucPride, you specifically mentioned Williams being highly coveted in a 3-4 defense. While I'm not going to argue that point with you, I will point out that the Texans are switching to a 4-3 defense this season, so Williams' potential value in a 3-4 scheme doesn't exactly apply to the Texans anymore.

But, one can still spin this as a very good pick. The guy is still a big lineman who has the speed to consistantly beat tackles every week. With him and Travis on their edges, I think it's a smart pick to take, just as was Bush. Its the same guy that would play in the 3-4 system. Now, like you said, their switching to 4-3 (which I never knew, but knowing is half the battle!). Equate him to a Jason Taylor/Simeon Rice type of guy who can get you heavy sack production. I don't think his production will slide due to a base package change in their defense. He's still a tremendous athlete, and he'll be a cornerstone with Dunta Robinson and Greenwood down in Texas.

LMAO. My mock I posted is completely raped. Bush at 2 was smart, but Brickishaw just looked better to me. Bush/McAllister is going to be a huge pricetag for the Saints. This'll look attractive for now, but thats alot to chew for one position with only one starter.

EDIT: Wow, Cutler is a Bronco...

Lord Styphon Apr 29, 2006 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BucPride
But, one can still spin this as a very good pick.

You shouldn't have to have to spin it as one, though. I'm not saying Mario Williams isn't a great player, but that doesn't mean that the Texans drafting him over Bush wasn't an example of blinding stupidity on someone's fault.

The Cardinals drafted Matt Leinart. Oddly enough, I predicted they would early on last season.

DragoonKain Apr 29, 2006 11:01 PM

Just checking in. Eagles had one of if not the best draft on day one.

I love it, love it.

Bunkley and Justice? Unreal. I'm a happy fan right now.

YO PITTSBURGH MIKE HERE Apr 30, 2006 12:24 PM

Well, the Steelers traded up to get Santonio Holmes, the best wide receiver in the draft. Looks to be yet another great first round pick.

Wojo May 1, 2006 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Capo
Well, the Steelers traded up to get Santonio Holmes, the best wide receiver in the draft. Looks to be yet another great first round pick.

I sure hope so. Because I think we both know that Cedric Wilson will never be the 2nd WR along Hines Ward.

BucPride May 2, 2006 02:08 AM

I couldn't be happier with Davin Joseph and Trueblood as our offensive line upgrades. With what I've read about these two, I can't wait for TC to start.

bighunt May 2, 2006 11:28 AM

Kiper was tough on his grades this year. No one got an "A". Dallas got a B-, which was generous. Carpenter's a good player, but to not take Manny Lawson didn't make sense to me. And in Round 2: a tight end?? wtf? First off, Fasano stinks. Pope is a much better end than Fasano. Secondly, why did they draft a TE? Witten's good enough. they could have gotten Youboty w/that pick.
however, i can't get too pissed about their draft b/c the last 3 years have been stellar drafts by the Cowboys.

BucPride May 2, 2006 11:51 AM

To me, its funny when draft experts grade them now. The worst graded team could end up having the best prospects pan out over time. Its all estimated guess work for the most part.

DragoonKain May 2, 2006 01:27 PM

I have no idea why the Bucs passed up Mangold or Justice. IMO they needed more help at center and tackle.

Eagles had a great draft, that I loved for once. Bunkley, Justice, Gocong, Jean-Gilles, Avant, Bloom are great additions.

I can't wait to see Bloom return punt and kicks. :biggrin:

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/6...91965684yk.jpg

http://img325.imageshack.us/img325/4160/bloom149zv.jpg

BucPride May 2, 2006 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DragoonKain
I have no idea why the Bucs passed up Mangold or Justice. IMO they needed more help at center and tackle.

Tackle, yes. Center, John Wade and/or Sean Mahan will do just fine for us.

Isn't it a bit weird that every single team passed on Justice, some twice? Obviously, he wasn't one that people considered first round talent. From what I've read about Davin Joseph, I'm thankful we took him. Smart guy with tremendous talent. As for our second round pick, Trueblood at OT, he'll probably compete for the starting job at the very least. The only knock on him was his lack of urgency on a down to down basis. So, I'm sure Gruden can light a fire under his ass and get him to bust his butt on an every down basis.

DragoonKain May 2, 2006 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BucPride
Tackle, yes. Center, John Wade and/or Sean Mahan will do just fine for us.

Isn't it a bit weird that every single team passed on Justice, some twice? Obviously, we wasn't one that people considered first round talent. From what I've read about Davin Joseph, I'm thankful we took him. Smart guy with tremendous talent. As for our second round pick, Trueblood at OT, he'll probably compete for the starting job at the very least. The only knock on him was his lack of urgency on a down to down basis. So, I'm sure Gruden can light a fire under his ass and get him to bust his butt on an every down basis.

Justice was passed because of his character issues. He pulled a toy gun on someone as a prank and got suspended for the entire 2004 season and also he was caught soliciting a prostitute. His interviews went bad as well. He didn't drop because of talent or production issues. He was a very dominant tackle in college.

Andy and Heckert both did extensive homework on Justice, and believe me, they hate bringing in guys with character issues, but they seemed to be really impressed with Justice.

Wojo May 2, 2006 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DragoonKain
Justice was passed because of his character issues. He pulled a toy gun on someone as a prank and got suspended for the entire 2004 season and also he was caught soliciting a prostitute.

Funny. Those are pretty ironic circumstances considering his name.

BucPride May 4, 2006 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DragoonKain
Justice was passed because of his character issues. He pulled a toy gun on someone as a prank and got suspended for the entire 2004 season and also he was caught soliciting a prostitute. His interviews went bad as well. He didn't drop because of talent or production issues. He was a very dominant tackle in college.

Andy and Heckert both did extensive homework on Justice, and believe me, they hate bringing in guys with character issues, but they seemed to be really impressed with Justice.

Thats something Gruden really wants to avoid if at all possible. He's had a fair share of guys with questionable character, so he opted to not go with Justice.

bighunt May 6, 2006 05:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DragoonKain
Eagles had a great draft, that I loved for once. Bunkley, Justice, Gocong, Jean-Gilles, Avant, Bloom are great additions.

Unfortunately, you may be correct. Max Jean-Gilles is an absolute beast at guard. i saw him play numerous times at UGA. he needs to work on his footword, but he's strong as an ox.

Ryuu May 7, 2006 03:33 PM

Well, this is interesting for the Dolphins.

Culpepper may not be ready, well 100% ready, by the start of the new season. Ricky Williams is suspended for the whole year. The trade talks for Harrington aren't going as planned.

So...what are the dolphins working on?

They may sign ex-Va Tech QB Marcus Vick (Michael Vick's younger brother). Now this may be good or bad. Marcus has some issues off the field (and, of course, on the field if any of you watched the bowl game). However, Vick can nevertheless be used at QB or even WR.

DragoonKain May 7, 2006 03:39 PM

Harrington will get cut eventually, and the Dolphins will pick him up then.

Chairman Kaga May 10, 2006 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord Styphon
I personally love I've offered reasons why this move was a mistake on the Texans' part, while you've offered nothing but the tired "you think you can do better?" response. You might want to work on that.

Also, the sportswriters appear agree with my opinion in this case. Richard Justice's column on the Chronicle sports section's front page says it all: "Bypassing Bush smacks of stupidity".

I would assume that these people, who have been covering sports for years, and who would need to do research on their stories (like ones about draft prospects), would know something about what they're talking about.

And what they're saying is that the Texans screwed up royally.

Okay, I'm replying to your post 5643456456 years too late, but whatever.

Are you serious? You and the media know better than the Texans? Get serious.

I'm in no position to offer reasons why drafting Mario Williams was the better choice. In fact, I NEVER SAID Williams was the better pick. I said we know nothing about scouting players coming out of college. We don't work for a NFL team. We don't spent 24/7 all year round scouting, attending practices and interviewing players.

Making judgment on a draft pick is like judging a game before it has started.

Ryuu May 11, 2006 07:50 PM

Quote:

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Jimmy Smith cleared his throat, finished his sentence and then bowed his head and started to cry.

One of the most prolific receivers in NFL history, Smith found himself in another rough spot Thursday. But just as he has done so many times before in his career, he regrouped and moved on without hesitation.

Jimmy Smith
Al Messerschmidt/WireImage.com
Jimmy Smith had 862 receptions with the Jaguars.

No wonder he earned the nickname J-Smooth.

Smith, a five-time Pro Bowl selection who overcame several health problems and drug addiction during his 13 seasons, abruptly retired Thursday to "move on to the next phase of my life."

"It's hard because I know I can still go out there and do it," Smith said. "I just figure it's not in my heart to [continue]. If I'm going to play, it's got to be 100 percent. I won't get out there and not give it my all. If I can't give it my all to this organization and the fans, I'm just not going to do that. This is just not the type of person that I am.

"It's best for me to leave on a high note. I want to be able to enjoy my legacy."

The 37-year-old receiver led the Jags with 70 catches for 1,023 yards and six touchdowns last season. He ranks seventh in NFL history with 862 receptions and 11th with 12,287 yards receiving. He has more receptions than every receiver in the Hall of Fame, and only Marvin Harrison has had more catches and yards receiving than Smith since 1996.

Jeremy Green: Replacing Smith
Smith's career is now in the past, and it's time for the Jaguars to think about the future. That future looks extremely cloudy right now, especially on the offensive side of the ball where Smith has basically been their entire passing offense in recent seasons.
• To read more, click here.

Smith contemplated retirement earlier this offseason, but Jaguars coach Jack Del Rio asked him to take his time and be sure he was making the right choice. His announcement came a day before the team opened a three-day mini-camp.

"I thought I had another year in me," Smith said. "I've been struggling with whether I should play an extra year or leave while I can still walk away, while my knees are still intact.

"It's best to leave on top. Not many players in the NFL get a chance to do what I'm doing today and walk away from the game happy. I can live the rest of my life happy."

Smith's longevity was surprising -- even to him -- especially considering what he overcame.

In 2001, he had three operations to remove scar tissue from his abdomen. Some questioned whether he would play again, but he caught 112 passes for 1,373 yards -- despite being arrested in November that year for suspicion of drunken driving. Tests later revealed he had cocaine in his system. He vehemently denied using the drug.

All-time NFL receptions leaders
Jerry Rice 1,549
Cris Carter 1,101
Tim Brown 1,094
Andre Reed 951
Art Monk 940
Marvin Harrison* 927
Jimmy Smith 862
Irving Fryar 851
Larry Centers 826
Keenan McCardell* 825
*Active

He was suspended for the first four games of the 2003 season for violating the league's substance-abuse policy. He then publicly acknowledged an addiction and spent several weeks in rehab.

He had other issues early in his career, too.

The third receiver selected in the 1992 draft behind Desmond Howard and Carl Pickens, Smith broke his leg and missed most of his rookie season. In 1993, he needed an emergency appendectomy and suffered through infection and stomach problems. He missed the entire year. He didn't play in 1994, either, after getting cut by Dallas and Philadelphia.

In 1995, he caught on with the expansion Jaguars after his mother sent coach Tom Coughlin a binder of press clippings to help him earn a tryout.

He made the most of his chance, teaming with Keenan McCardell to help land the Jaguars in the playoffs in only their second season.

"He was one of the great Jaguars and certainly one of the great receivers in NFL history," said James Harris, the team's vice president of player personnel. "Jimmy is not one of the most acclaimed guys, but he's one of the most respected receivers in the game.

"Most people will say that he's one of the best pure route runners in the game, and we all hate to see Jimmy go."

-ESPN.com

Well it seems that Jags receiver Jimmy Smith is retiring.

I just can't believe "He has more receptions than every receiver in the Hall of Fame." Like I wouldn't have thought of the possibility. Though Rice and many others have yet to be eligble for induction or have not been inducted. Though I take nothing from him - he had a great career.

He's got a good chance at becoming a Hall of Famer, obviously.

BucPride May 11, 2006 10:07 PM

He'll be in the HoF within his first 3 tries at the most I think. Depends on the classes over the next few years and such.

DragoonKain May 11, 2006 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chairman Kaga
Okay, I'm replying to your post 5643456456 years too late, but whatever.

Are you serious? You and the media know better than the Texans? Get serious.

I'm in no position to offer reasons why drafting Mario Williams was the better choice. In fact, I NEVER SAID Williams was the better pick. I said we know nothing about scouting players coming out of college. We don't work for a NFL team. We don't spent 24/7 all year round scouting, attending practices and interviewing players.

Making judgment on a draft pick is like judging a game before it has started.

What's the fun in waiting until a player booms or busts to judge? There's no fun it that. The fun is in going out on a limb and making a prediction or opinion before you see how the guys turn out.

BucPride May 12, 2006 01:31 AM

Since this hasn't been discussed yet, I thought I'd bring it up. It's too funny to miss. Just beautiful proof that the Lions are a soft team, especially Marinelli being as demanding as he is.

Spoiler:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slu...yhoo&type=lgns

DETROIT – The NFL has banned Detroit Lions players from working out Monday and Tuesday at the team's practice facility.

This is major news. Judging by their almost 50 years of futility, who knew the Lions worked out at all, let alone that the franchise had an actual building dedicated to practice?

But it's true. The Lions do have a plush, modern practice facility, where players routinely break a sweat. And not just practicing anything, but practicing actual football plays. Seriously.

In fact, according to a union grievance, since hard-nosed coach Rod Marinelli took over in January, the players have been forced to practice too hard.

The NFL Players Association and the NFL Management Council in a joint statement Friday agreed that the Lions broke rules involving offseason activities and punished the team by prohibiting two days of supervised workouts.

Booth Newspapers originally reported that players were upset that April minicamp drills – where "contact work or use of pads" is not allowed – were too physical.

"The players were upset at the high intensity and aggressiveness demanded in the team drills and believed the coaching staff was going over the line," Tom Kowalski reported, citing a source.

And so, the players complained, the union and the league agreed and now they get two days off, with pay.

On Thursday, when workouts resume, Marinelli ought to run those Cowardly Lions to Toledo and back. He just needs to make sure no one bumps someone else and cracks a nail.

Union rules for safety are good things for coal miners and construction workers and things of that sort. Workers in those lines of work should file a grievance at the first sign of trouble and they should never, ever be subject to management retribution. There are laws against that type of thing.

But this isn't the Sterling Heights Stamping Plant. This isn't an old Upper Peninsula copper mine.

Having millionaire athletes complain about too-tough workouts for a franchise that has gone a NFL-worst 21-59 over the last five seasons and routinely showed a distinct lack of toughness, competitive fire or football acumen is comical.

Predictable – heck, Detroit's defense hasn't believed in contact in years – but comical.

What kind of abuse could Marinelli possibly have subjected the players? Lifting weights at an asbestos factory? Running sprints in a rickety mine shaft? Listening to recordings of Joey Harrington playing the piano?

No one is saying for sure, but apparently blocking and tackling is now out of the question. What a surprise these guys average four wins a season.

It would be understandable if the NFL came in and punished the Lions for full-contact practices outside of the designated time, because, even for them, it would be a competitive advantage (hold the laughter).

But if the players care about winning, they should want that advantage. Instead they ratted on their own coach, and not out of some sense of fair play.

Detroit general manager Matt Millen was one tough football player – you can never envision him complaining about practice being too rough. His mantra since taking over the team has been to surround himself with people out of that mold. Based on this uprising, his judge of character is worse than his 21 measly wins would have you believe.

Millen tried to correct the franchise's perpetual softness by bringing in Marinelli, the defensive coordinator for the Tampa Bay Buccaneers who was immediately dubbed "Major Marinelli" for his drill sergeant ways. Fans who were sick of watching the sorriest excuse for a team in the NFL rejoiced at the thought – a modern-day Vince Lombardi to knock around a group whose only recent positives have come on drug tests.

Then Millen vowed this spring to only draft players who were "hungry" to play football. That was a departure from previous selections who just had the munchies, which is an entirely different thing he found out.

Unfortunately, at least one of those vets decided that not only is playing football rather overwhelming, but practicing football is, too. If only George Plimpton could write his book now; he'd be starting at middle linebacker.

Lombardi has to be rolling in his grave, Bear Bryant must be beside himself and Chris Spielman is probably alone in a darkened room, weeping over what has become of his old team.

We're talking about practice?

Not on Monday or Tuesday for the Lions. Expect business to be brisk at area manicure shops.


And more belated news on football, Randy Moss fired his agent due to the drug problem he had. Good on ya Randy.

Spoiler:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/s...e=NFLHeadlines

CHARLESTON, W.Va. -- Oakland Raiders wide receiver Randy Moss has dropped an agent who is facing drug charges in Florida.

Randy Moss
Moss

Charleston lawyer Dante DiTrapano, his wife Teri, and three others were arrested March 14 at a St. Petersburg, Fla., hotel. Police there said they recovered 73 pieces of crack cocaine and 21 grams of powder cocaine. All five were charged with felony possession of crack cocaine.

Moss signed an agreement on April 20 designating another Charleston lawyer, Tim DiPiero, as his sole agent, the NFL Players Association told The Charleston Gazette for a story in Tuesday's editions. DiPiero confirmed the agreement on Monday but he told the newspaper that he would not comment on the reasons.

DiTrapano and DiPiero are members of the same law firm, DiTrapano, Barrett & DiPiero PLLC. The law firm has removed DiTrapano's name from the sign outside its Charleston offices.

DiPiero has represented Moss as an agent and attorney since 1995, when Moss was accused of kicking a classmate at DuPont High School. Moss later pleaded guilty to misdemeanor battery.

Ryuu Jun 7, 2006 04:07 PM

So yeah. McNair is going to Baltimore for an apparent 4th Round Pick.

Spoiler:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...ohn&id=2473771

McNair could have playoff impact in Baltimore


Two years ago, the Ravens felt they made the move that would put them over the top.

After Terrell Owens and his former agent failed to submit the paperwork that would have voided Owens' contract and made him a free agent, the Ravens worked out a trade with the 49ers. Ray Lewis and other Ravens felt they had done a good job of recruiting Owens at the Pro Bowl and that he'd be a good fit in Baltimore.

Naturally, because it involved Owens, the situation blew up and there was plenty of collateral damage. Owens whined to the league and got his way. The trade was voided, burning the Ravens. By the time the NFL ruled in Owens' favor, clearing the path for him to end up in Philadelphia, the wide receiver market had diminished, leaving Baltimore without other options. The Ravens went through a 9-7 season against a very tough schedule.

The Ravens are at it again this offseason, only this time, they got their man. It took a while, but Steve McNair is headed to Baltimore for what is believed to be a fourth-round choice, which is a steal if the team makes the playoffs. The Ravens have had a standing contract offer for McNair since the second day of the 2006 draft, but it took until now for the Ravens and Titans to agree on a trade. Under the deal with the Ravens, McNair will get an $11 million signing bonus and a $1 million salary for this season. That is significantly better than the $9 million he was scheduled to make with the Titans, a team that wanted him to cut his salary in half to lower his cap number.

Owens going to Dallas might be the headline acquisition of the offseason, but McNair heading to Baltimore isn't far behind. In many ways, McNair carries more weight than Owens because he's a quarterback. If he's healthy, you can pencil in two or three additional wins for the Ravens.

It's no wonder the Titans made his exit the most painful in years. The Titans don't want to hand a playoff spot to Baltimore by giving them McNair. There is still some bad blood between the two franchises. The Titans didn't like comments made by Ravens coach Brian Billick prior to a 2000 playoff game. The Ravens didn't appreciate those clips being shown on the big screen to inspire Titans fans during the game, which the Ravens won 24-10 on their way to winning Super Bowl XXXV.

What's a shame is how McNair was treated. Without question, he was the league's toughest player during his 10 years in Nashville. He endured about every possible injury. He'd miss practice yet he played like a Pro Bowler every Sunday. His career peaked with a trip to Super Bowl XXXIV, where he came within inches of forcing overtime against the Rams.

The sad part for the Titans and McNair is that he won't retire in a Titans uniform. He wanted to, but his contract had a $50 million option bonus strategically inserted to spur negotiations this offseason between the two sides. But the timing for a new deal was all bad. Collective bargaining extension talks were stalled as the bonus came due. With the Titans not knowing how much the cap would grow for the 2006 season, they opted not to exercise the option, forcing McNair's cap number for the 2006 season to shoot up to $23 million.

Ideally, McNair would have stayed in Tennessee for a year or two while rookie QB Vince Young learned as his understudy. The Titans have a young roster, but with McNair leading them for this season, they probably would have jumped from four to seven wins as a number of their younger players matured.

But by this point in the offseason, McNair staying with the Titans was a longshot at best. General manager Floyd Reese could try to talk McNair into staying, but Reese wasn't going to give McNair the $12 million this season that the Ravens were offering. For McNair to stay in Tennessee, he would have had to take a paycut, and why would he do that for a franchise that he had to file a grievance against just to be allowed in the building to work out?

The Ravens were prepared to wait until close to the start of training camp in late July if necessary. But getting it done now will allow McNair to get a jump on learning the Ravens' offense.

Adding McNair makes the Ravens the AFC's sleeper team for the playoffs. Ravens president Dick Cass caused a few people in the front office to squirm when he spoke about the Ravens' future before some prime season-ticket holders. He talked about the Ravens finances and said there was a two-year window for the team to win.

Quietly, the Ravens have been stacking the roster with big-name veterans over the past couple of years for some kind of run. In the past two offseasons, they've signed four players -- Mason, cornerback Samari Rolle, defensive end Trevor Pryce and linebacker Gary Stills -- who have been to Pro Bowls. Add those to the list of current Ravens with Pro Bowl experience and that gives the Ravens an impressive 13 former Pro Bowlers.

McNair is now the 14th current or former Pro Bowler on the roster if the trade goes through, and he would be the most important. Despite his age (33) and health, McNair would be the missing piece. Adding McNair fills out the equation of being strong at the five most important positions on the roster -- quarterback, left tackle (Jonathan Ogden), defensive end (Pryce and Terrell Suggs), cornerback (Rolle and Chris McAlister) and wide receiver (Derrick Mason).

Those players are all leaders who -- with the exception of Suggs -- have been to Super Bowls.

Mason was sixth among wide receivers with 86 catches last season, and 2005 first-round choice Mark Clayton should develop into a good one this season. Pryce is an impact player at end but he won't be asked to make the sacks in the 4-3 defense. That's the job of Suggs. Rolle and McAlister are a talented cornerback tandem. Ogden is coming off an off season but he's still one of the league's most gifted blocker.

But McNair gives the Ravens what they've been seeking since their trip to Super Bowl XXXV -- solid quarterback play.

Despite one of the most unsettled receiving situations in the league last year, McNair put up adequate numbers: He completed 61.3 percent of his passes. He averaged 225.8 passing yards a game. He threw 16 touchdown passes in 14 games and had a 82.4 quarterback rating.

More than anything else, McNair is a threat at quarterback and that's what the Ravens have been missing. The Ravens have been waiting on Kyle Boller, but it is time to find a veteran to challenge him. The Ravens watched how the McNair situation unfolded in Tennessee and felt they had a chance to get him. They sat quietly until the second day of the draft, and once they had a two- or three-hour window, they made a financial offer that McNair couldn't refuse and the Titans refused to match.

McNair gives the Ravens a chance to challenge the Steelers and Bengals in the AFC North, and his addition puts them on the map again as far as the playoffs are concerned. As much as Owens signing in Dallas changed the balance of power in the NFC, McNair's arrival in Baltimore could have just as big of an impact on the AFC.

John Clayton is a senior writer for ESPN.com.

BucPride Jun 22, 2006 08:11 PM

Arizona Cardinals sold out their season tickets this year. Jesus, that franchise is actually showing some signs of life.

Ryuu Jun 22, 2006 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BucPride
Arizona Cardinals sold out their season tickets this year. Jesus, that franchise is actually showing some signs of life.

Well they got Edge this year, so they actually have a solid running back. They have a solid 1-2 WR combo in Boldin and Fitzgerald. They went out and got Leinhart from USC (which is a University that isn't far away from Arizona). Plus their kicker, Neil Rackers was a kicking machine.

They were number one in passing offense (eigth in total offense, but that was due to being last in rushing and they got Edge now).


They're actually starting to look like the 2004 Colts (strong offense and weak defense - they just don't have Peyton Manning).

BucPride Jun 23, 2006 03:03 AM

The Cardinals are playing in a weak division, and look like they'll finally at long last have a high-powered offense in place. They could contend for a wildcard this year, depending on how Seattle does in the NFC West. Its nice to see the owner inject life into this lackluster, bottemfeeder franchise. No Superbowl titles, but they now have a new stadium and high-profile players in Matt Leinart and Edgerrin James.

I do recall Anquan Boldin having another fantastic season, though I don't know the exact stats. Definately a strong fantasy pick, especially with James in there to draw the coverage off from him a bit.

BucPride Jun 25, 2006 02:53 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhtUo5nj8Vw

Check this out Capo and Wojo, I found this and thought you might like it, even though it is rap.

Wojo Jun 25, 2006 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BucPride
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhtUo5nj8Vw

Check this out Capo and Wojo, I found this and thought you might like it, even though it is rap.

ITS NO GOOD ITS NO GOOD ITS NO GOOD.

Haha. That was pretty good.

YO PITTSBURGH MIKE HERE Jun 25, 2006 11:29 AM

Haha, that was hilarious, and, actually, the rap wasn't half bad.

BucPride Jul 10, 2006 01:02 AM

Alright folks. We're just about two weeks away from the first training camp opening in the NFL. Any predicitions for the coming year?

bighunt Jul 10, 2006 02:05 PM

just talking about the new season is getting me psyched! september can't come soon enough!

Prediction: Dallas wins it all. (Wishful Thinking)

AFC East: NE (Still the team to beat)
AFC North: If Big Ben is healthy, Pittsburgh. if not, Cincy???
AFC South: Indy (Can Peyton do it THIS time????)
AFC West: Tough. i'll say KC. their defense MUST step up.
Wild Cards: Denver, Miami???

NFC East: Dallas (Adding T.O. puts them ahead of the pack)
NFC North: Chicago (Steve Smith scorched them last year)
NFC South: Carolina (Sorry BucPride)
NFC West: Seattle (still overrated!) :-)
Wild Cards: Atlanta, Arizona???

bishop743 Jul 10, 2006 02:19 PM

I think Ben will be fine. By the time the season rolls around I think he'll be ready to play at a high level.

The Panthers came one game away from making the Superbowl last year, but this year I think they'll pull through. The addition of Keyshawn Johnson will pay huge dividends for us, I think. It's definitely going to help out Steve Smith a lot. And, it's impossible for Kris Jenkins to get hurt 3 years in a row.... right? :\ I think Carolina is the class of the NFC, even with teams like Washington and Dallas making the moves they did. If they stay healthy, I think Carolina will end up bringing a second championship home this yaer.

BucPride Jul 10, 2006 05:45 PM

A second championship, when'd they win the first one?

I don't think the Bucs'll take the South. However, if we make the playoffs with the schedule we have, then I'd like to think we'll make some noise. Lets not forget, we continue to have a top five defense year in and out. The Falcons defense won't come around until midseason, despite what ever Atlanta fan will tell you. Since when does a defense go from crap to top 5 starting week one? Thought so.

The NFC is a crapshoot. Take your pick. Their are way too many teams that can take it, all depends on health and progression.

In the NFC East, Dallas may have gotten TO, but they forgot to grab offensive lineman. I still think they'll probably take the division, with the Redskins or Giants getting a wildcard. Redskins added a bunch of above-average talent, but they don't have any position that is a cut above the rest. Good defense and offense, but not great.

The NFC South is an interesting division. I don't think the Bucs'll take it, as the schedule we have looks daunting. We'll compete, but I think Carolina (media darlings thus far -- I haven't seen an 'expert' who hasn't gushed about them yet) takes the division. The Saints and Falcons will compete, and I say this with an OBVIOUS unbiased eye, screw them. Mike Vick will never master the WCO, and he shouldn't be forced to. Good job Mora! Puting a quarterback into a system he'll never understand. Saints'll be dangerous, a Bush/McAllister combo sounds like hell.

The NFC West. Seattle. Closed. Arizona may compete for a wildcard, but I won't be sold until they actually do something, as I've heard they'll be good for 3 straight years now. The Rams need to work on giving Steven Jackson the ball more than 10 times a game. The 49ers...well, I think its obvious, they'll be picking in the top 5 next April.

And the NFC North. Da Bears. They will actually need an offense, because the Vikings will give them a run for their money, as long as Brad Johnson gets protection that is. He can tear up defenses with time, he proved that here in Tampa Bay. I hope for Marinelli's (sp) sake the Lions see a turnaround of some sorts, but Matt Millen really needs to go before the Lions get out of the celler. And the Packers...heh, well. Who knows. If they stay healthy, why not give them a shot.

The AFC North. The Steelers did lose significant players, their first round pick has been in trouble with the authorities a few times already, and each team in their division got better. I think the Ravens have a strong chance, but its pretty much an open division. Each team has a fair shot to take the crown, even the Browns.

The AFC South. Colts or Jags, not much else to see here. If Vince Young starts, I'll laugh at the Titan organization for quite some time. If I had to take one team though, it'd be the Colts, but Jacksonville will give them a run for their money.

The AFC East. Everyone I've talked to (other than Pats fans) seems to have a hardon for the Dolphins with Culpepper. Its the Pats until proven otherwise, and the Phins'll be in the wildcard race throughout the year probably. Jets and Bills will be looking up at the Pats all year, unless JP Losman finally comes around.

In the AFC West, its another four team battle. I think the Chiefs have a great shot personally, thought I give all teams serious consideration when speaking of the playoffs. The Broncos have a team coming off an AFC Title game defeat, the Raiders will actually use Jordan as a AP back instead of 10-15 carries a game like last year, and the Chargers still have LT and one of the best offensive lines in the NFL.

Best divisions : NFC South, NFC East, AFC North, AFC West
Superbowl 41 : Indianapolis Colts (the most clutch kicker, and could finally get that final push in the postseason) vs. Seattle Seahawks (I don't see why they can't get back there)
Champion : Colts (Wow, I feel like I work for ESPN)

bishop743 Jul 10, 2006 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BucPride
A second championship, when'd they win the first one?

The Hurricanes won the Stanley Cup this year.

BucPride Jul 10, 2006 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by bishop743
The Hurricanes won the Stanley Cup this year.

Oh, alright. I thought you were refering to the Panthers.

BucPride Jul 24, 2006 03:43 PM

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5809914

Ty Law has found a new home. Do you guys think this is a huge deal, or will it be of little consequence? Discuss.

Ryuu Jul 24, 2006 04:10 PM

It'll help the Chiefs as it would give them Ty Law and Patrick Surtain at the CB positions. Ty Law had some 60 tackles and about ten interceptions so it'll help a lot.

The problem is age - 32 and 30 respectively, though I do find it interesting that Ty Law followed Edwards from the Jets to the Chiefs.

bighunt Jul 25, 2006 04:59 PM

Another problem is the fact that Law's coming off a nasty injury. how will he recover? since he's up in age, will he be 100% by season's start? hmm....
an upgrade, yes. anything to help the porous defense of the Chiefs is a must for the team.

BucPride Jul 27, 2006 07:19 PM

Speaking of big injuries, LeCharles Bentley of the Browns is out for the year. In their first 11 on 11 practice today, he got hurt and is now projected to be out for the year. As you may recall he became the highest paid center ever in the history of the NFL.

A tough blow for the Brownies.

Double Post:
Closing this thread as the 2006 offseason is over with teams reporting to training camp and the preseason beginning next weekend.


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