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CLOVER: The guys that brought you Okami and Godhand, to DISBAND!
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WHAT ABOUT OKAMI 2 NOW?! ;___________________________; I thought this news should deserve it's own thread. |
I was going to buy Okami when it came out anyway, but now I add God Hand to my list out of respect.
This really sucks. |
This is terrible I was just thinking today that Clover are like Treasure, in the sense that all of their games are absolute quality in some form or another. I don't fully understand the babelfish translation, but I get the general idea.
This means no more Viewtiful Joe or Okami sequels. But it's always a shame to see a company go under. RIP :( |
ogg.... What a great way start to a day, hearing one of my favorite studios get disbanded. They will most likely get absorbed back into Capcom, or form a new studio.
Oh Clover how I will miss thee. RIP |
Poor Clover. :( They were just about the only part left of Capcom that seemed to give a damn about making creative games. Next week Capcom will probably announce another eight hundred thousand rubbish Mega Man games, a remake of Devil May Cry and a port of Street Fighter II for PS3. "We've used 3MB of the entire Blu-Ray disc, $50 plz"
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^ Okami might not even have a PAL release now. D: D:
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That wouldn't surprise me at all. ;__; Capcom/THQ did a horrendous job distributing the PAL versions of Viewtiful Joe 1, 2 and Red Hot Rumble.
*Walk into EB on release date* "You guys got Viewtiful Joe?" "BEAUTIFUL JOE? WHAT?" "No, no.. no! What! Viewtiful!" "THANKS BUT I DON'T SWING THAT WAY MATE" ".. Just check your fucking database already" "AWWWW YEAH, WE GOT TWO COPIES COMING IN NEXT WEEK. MAYBE" "Wow" |
I'm pretty sure the PAL release will still go ahead.
Clover developed the game, but Capcom distributed it. Capcom still exists, so they'll probably still distribute it as they have a european branch. Or it could become like Nippon Ichi titles, which are distributed in america by Atlus and in europe by Koei. Something like that would probably go down if Capcom don't bring it over. |
As good as some of their games were, they made some horrible decisions and got what they deserved.
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Perhaps, but every company makes horrible decisions. And in comparison tpo what other companies have done in the past I don't think that Clover really did anything that they deserve to go under for.
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Maybe they're being recruited by Capcom to be part of their development team? It's a fucking waste if they just disband.
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Anyways, I cry. Viewtiful Joe was solid to the max. I've yet to try Okami or God Hand (You know, living in Europe, being shafted all the time and that) but I had marked them as must buy. Now I have to. But I'd imagine that Capcom'll make games instead of Clover. I can't wait for Okami Party 3 and such. So awesome ;_; |
Honestly, has anybody ever seen a single commercial for Okami? This is one of the best games that I have ever played, and I would have never even heard of the game if it wasn't for these forums. Sales could have been better. Clover could be alive :(.
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You are right. NIS does publish their own games NOW. But that's besides the point. Let's try to keep on topic now, eh?
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Goddamit! What is it with creative companies disbanding?
Why are they going RIP? Cause sales have hit low with Okami or is there more to it? |
Aw, goddamnit. =[ I thought God Hand looked pretty interesting. I'll buy it for sure when it hits Europe.
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I'm glad that my money was put into their pockets, but now dismayed that my $50 contribution is now worthless ;___;.
At least I have |
Hey guys, there are running now some rumors that Clover has disbanded for make their own company, if this is true, maybe this not bad news at all... they can use all his talents without taking care of some "business movements" of Crapcom.
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It's not working guys :(... |
I really hope that if they disband they're able to keep their licenses but I'm sure if that happens Capcom will be greedy and tell them to fuck off.
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Yeah, major bummer. Okami rocked the fuckin' house. THis is a studio that made a gamecube game that was such a hot seller they couldn't keep it on the shelf (Viewtiful Joe). Damn economics.
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This is all because Okami didn't have prostitutes, excessive language, and a hidden sex minigame to attract the little ones. DAMN YOU CLOVER FOR NOT FOLLOWING THE RULES.
I posted this information in the Okami thread yesterday, I believe, so I've pretty much shed any tears I was gonna shed. Still, it does suck to see such a note-worthy developer go down the toilet. What I don't understand is that Capcom's disbanding it because Clover Studios did exactly what they were established to do -- create unique, inventive, and creative games. And they're being disbanded for it! Wtf. |
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There's no telling what's going to happen at the moment. |
In other news Rockstar announce 14 new GTA games to be released across various platforms. Bad graphics, low framerate, numbingly lame gameplay and HARDCORE content are rumored to be making a return.
I have never played Viewtiful Joe, God Hand or Okami (or any CLOVER game for that matter) but it's sad to hear about the team closing their doors. I always meant to try out Viewtiful Joe and Okami looks interesting. This is probably a good time to see what I've been missing. |
Not all hope is lost!
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Hmm so does this mean they will still be making games perhaps under a new name or such 0-o?
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You never know, they could pull a Konami. =/
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They never even got to the Wii ;_;
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This is how a lot of companies are formed. They start out amall, make some really good products and then seperate & expand. It's true that change can be scary, but it is also required to move forwards my friends.
Some examples are; Epic Games (Used to be owned by Atari) Kojima Productions (while seperate they still produce exclusively for Konami... for now) X-seed (used to be part of the SCEA) |
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I just found this shimmer of good news for all you gamers in Europe.
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6159819.html It looks like Clover isn't ACTUALLY closing until March '07, and according to the article they'll be working on the PAL versions of Okami and God Hand up to that date. Close one, eh? |
Okami WILL be released (and maybe God Hand) in Europe. But I wouldn't be so happy about it. C(r)apcom Europe will probably cut those games in someway like it often does.
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I was always under the impression thast Clover was growing perpetually with wonderful games like VJ and Okami under their belt. This is tragic news! Too bad their niche games didn't translate into long-term prosperity. Maybe if we all buy Clover games at the last minute, the sudden spike will change the outcome ;)
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Unfortunatly it's pretty much set and done my good sir. But give it some time, I'm sure that we'll see Clover calibur titles coming to lite in the next year or so.
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AH SNAP.
CLOVER HEADS FORM NEW STUDIO - "SEEDS" Quote:
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What the fuck, this is the second best news this month.
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AND WHAT COULD POSSIBLY BE THE FIRST.
Seriously though. This is fucking awesome. I expected them to end up somewhere eventually, but not so soon...but still. What does this means in terms of games like Okami - does that have a chance of seeing a sequel by these guys, or is that out of the question because of Capcom? |
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Oh. Granted I don't know the business or legal aspect of it or how any of this works when companies separate, I guess I just assumed that because it went through Capcom, Capcom had the rights to it and not Clover. But if I'm wrong, I'm happy.
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Most of the creative directors and masterminds who actually created Clover's games did get absorbed into Capcom, because they needed them to work on the larger next-gen titles. Clover's lead designer left with a few programmers and directors, but no one who was all that important and can't be replaced with someone else in the huge company of Capcom.
Whether Clover or Capcom owns the rights to Okami, VJ, God Hand, etc. I don't think that you're going to see any sequels to any of Clover's work any time soon if ever. SEEDS is too small to make such a thing, and Capcom is going the route of big name sequels and new IPs, none of Clover's games fall into either category due to poor market figures. |
Source of the 360 game being first in development would be nice yes...
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I'm not sure how to make a response without insulting Kensaki's lack of intelligence.
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No, the franchises are owned by Capcom. Source. |
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Well, we can keep an eye on Seeds, because there's definitely talent there. Who knows if another Okami-caliber title will be produced by them? Unlikely unless someone picks them up and they avoid making Japan-only DS/PS2 games. |
In before complaining about the source.
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Dammit you guys. I was having high hopes about an Okami sequel. Way to shut me down :(.
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Intellectual property.
It doesn't mean no sequels. It just means no sequels done by the same guys. Capcom can get an intern to write a sequel on his coffee break for the N-GAGE if they want, for example. |
Intellectual Property. It's the fancy term for either "game" or "potential franchise" when talking about game titles.
Edit: Aw, beaten. Yeah, Seeds is pretty much just doing new stuff now. Fine by me, there need to be more non-franchise titles out there. |
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All they've done is form another studio. It doesn't mean they can't work under Capcom or not. It would be real inconsistent and irresponsible of Capcom to disallow creators who are recuperating from a large loss in (or their lackof) profit to continue with their work. In saying that I highly doubt there will be a sequel to Okami. God Hand and Okami are unique games and totally different in their own ways. Maybe a prequel where you played as Shiranui, but sequels have so much fanbase pressure from their original title it's possible it'd sell even more poorly than the first. (See Valkyrie Profile 2, Tales series, Halo 2, etc.) |
You do realize Clover was an internal house of Capcom's, right? Ala Overworks and Sega.
Same guys implies same team, and it's unlikely that a team that's now independant of Capcom will again work on one of the IPs they no longer control. I doubt we'll see any VJ or Okami sequels at all, from anyone, but that's just a personal assumption and I have no way of knowing for sure. Weither or not they partner up with Capcom again has yet to be seen. And you're wrong again on sales numbers, by the way. As of March 2006, Halo 2 has sold about 8 million copies, and Halo the first sits at about 5. Later Tales games like Symphonia have sold siginficantly more than the earlier games like the Destiny games on PS1. I can't find any solid, backupable numbers on VP2, but it would have to flop to sell less than ehe 40-odd thousand copies the first one moved. Perhaps you mean are less fun instead of selling more poorly, since I'll agree that the first Halo, Tales of Phantasia, and especially Valkyrie Profile are better than their sequels. |
What I meant was sequels are usually purchased from hype and expectation.
This is why I said a prequel might work. Playing as Shiranui accompanied by Kamiki in the way that Amaterasu had whatshisface. Then again, even this situation doesn't pan out because prequels aren't always as good as their original titles (ICO, SotC). What I'm trying to say is that there'd be a lot riding on a sequel (or prequel, whatever) due to the fanbase and people wanting it to live up to the original. People are bound to be disappointed with something. I wouldn't rule out a sequel jus yet but I wouldn't get your hopes up either. |
So Elixir replying Senko no ronde to a guy who asks what will their first project makes me retarded? Sorry for me not knowing the publisher of every obscure shooter out there.
Also why aren't you banned yet fuckface? |
I said this was the second best news I've heard this month. He asked what the first was. I answered.
Try to keep up. |
Ok my bad then. Must have been half sleeping when I read that.
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