Why You Gotta Pick on the Amish, Man?
 

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/10/02/ami...ing/index.html

WTF? Who the fuck has a vengeance on the AMISH? They're like....super quiet. They don't bother anybody. You never hear of rogue gangs of Amish guys pickin' on people or hazing passers-by with traumatic barn raisings and shit. WTF was wrong with this dude?!

Dude's not even Amish, and he would have to have been figgin 12 years old whenever he was "wronged".

People are just stupid.

Beyond that, who the fuck needs revenge against young, Amish schoolgirls? Seems more likely he just lost his mind than there was any actual revenge reasoning.

Everyone seems to be a target these days, and it all seems to be happening almost everyday.... shooting in Montreal, then that high school in Colorado, then the Amish... I mean, come on! Don't we have anything better to do!?

Who doesn't have something against the Amish? Amish guys always talking down my car and saying how it can't stand up to their new 2007 buggy carts. I put a stop to that when I ran over 'Silver.' Let's see that horse give me the evil eye when we're playing chicken again.

Goddamnit, not again! Another goddamned psych guy takes some girls hostage and shoots some of them and then he kills himself. Can't these stupid fucks die right by killing themselves without killing anyone else?

Maybe he was raped by an amish woman? It's possible.

Maybe. I guess we will find out when the police dig deeper into what happened and as to why.

Something about something that happened 20 years ago. Obviously it must have been pretty major to still have a grudge after all this time.

He probably got spurned by an Amish girl 20 years ago, and has held a grudge against that ever since. That would probably explain why he did what he did. Or maybe a donkey kicked him, I dunno.

And yeah, wtf is up with all these morons going around shooting people in school for? You're going to be a minor footnote in history, and no one's going to give a damn about you after a few days or weeks, other than people who were directly affected by this. I hope those idiots who killed those innocent people are frying in Hell right now.

Maybe he did it becuase the Amish are brutal cockblockers. If they just let the man do as he pleased they might not be gone today.

Regardless of what I hope to be sarcasm, I don't see how murdering three girls is fitting revenge. They didn't even exist at the time of the "offense" committed by the Amish.
One could argue that the man wished to bring suffering upon whoever offended him, but--as is consistent with a murderer--it shows a lack of rationality on the part of the killer. Did not anyone notice his dislike of the Amish before?
I wish for more details.

This is horrible. But as the report says, the school being Amish might not be a part of it. A deranged grudge against 13-year old school girls - and this school was the closest he could find...

Those fuckers had it coming.

Depending on the guy's age at the time, maybe he was sexually abused or something.... who knows, but regardless, it is senseless to take revenge on innocent girls that where not even born at that time, the guy was a sicko, nothing more.

I heard an updated report this morning. Apparently he actually shot either 12 or 13 girls (I can't remember exactly), and five of them died - three yesterday and two more this morning.

This is the sickest thing I've heard in a long time. This just proves to me that there is no place on Earth that is safe anymore. What a horrible tragedy.

Looks like they may need some cops at thier schools too.

But regardless, it's probaly someone gone lunatic and wanted to do something with his life before he shot himself. Just anther attention seeker problay.

Seems the molesting theories arent too off. I just watched the story on CNN and apparently the gunman molested some kids years ago and he was "having dreams of molesting again"

... Still doesn't make any sense or justifies killing 5 girls.

I'll be honest. I sympathize with the Amish community about now. I admire these people beyond understanding. All they do is quietly keep to themselves, living their own lives and trying to keep separated from the outside world.

While their crime is usually to be punished within their own community (there actually are minor crimes in the communities, but outside police involvement is RARELY called upon), I can't see why this man decided to fuck with the Amish.

I saw them on the news last night, pouring out of a field, crossing a wire fence to see what was going on. It broke my heart - they didn't ask for this.

I just have this feeling he hated the feelings and need of molesting people.... but at the same time he couldn't control them. As a result, I think he lashed out at the young girls thinking that they should not exist because it made him do those terrible things in the past.

I think its possible that he was looking for a scapegoat.... something to blame for what he was...

Goddammit, now that tears it. That is just disgusting. What is wrong with humanity these days? This planet is fucked. We're all going to hell.

What he said.

Seriously, though, I'm not overly surprised this happened. There are crazy people out there.

This is pretty disgusting. I guess the Amish were just in the wrong place at the wrong time. I think that if any other school were nearby he'd have gone there instead. Furthermore, the fact that these Amish schools seemingly have low security, it'd be easier to take his revenge there than some school more relevant to what was making him do this in the first place.

Here's a crazy question :

What exactly is an "Amish" person?

They're the Pennsylvania Dutch.

Yea, I don't think it was the fact that they were necessarily Amish. The report did say that the school was close to where he lived.

Granted, that doesn't make this any less sick, but I'm pretty content with ruling out the "Amish" factor in this tragedy.

This article has piqued my interest though, if the cops do delve deeper and find out what incident the gunman might have been referring to, it'd be nice if anyone following this story would be so kind as to enlighten the rest of us.

Just sick! Apperently the guy molested two family members 20 years ago and began to have dreams of doing it again. His suicide note also says that he is haunted by the death of his daughter who apperently only lived for 20 min after a premature birth.

Reading this made my stomach twist....

Amish tragedy
 

Well said Alice,

There is no place on earth that is safe, maybe one little help we could give to reduce these horrible crimes, as starters, would be to try and change the law which currently enables whomever to walk into a bloody gun shop and buy rifles or guns...common Amerika...we Romans were alive and ruling long before you guys and it is certainly not a coincidence that our law does not forsee 'free' distribution of weapons.

cheers

amman2003

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=2523941&page=1

Damn. :(

Amish
 

How admirable of them to have this rare gift of forgiveness, what absolute sense of the essential qualities of life...so much wisdom and respect for the others, so much love for life and nature...but in the wrong country.

amman2003

Their 'gift' for forgiveness is insincere at best. The Amish will forgive anyone for anything if they think it helps in the afterlife. When people are ignored by the outside world and are left to account for themselves, things run amuck. I found the story about sexual abuse in the Amish community very interesting from ABC News. A girl tells her story about being raped since a young child by her family, and how her mother knew about it and turned a blind eye. I watched the court proceedings for the case and was blown away at the Amish community who came to court and were ashamed of the girl for involving the outside world in their affairs, but were crying for the release of the men who raped her,...her brothers.

Go to Google and type in "Amish Sexual Assault Case" and click on the ABC News link.

I just read about the forgiveness thing the Amish are doing. I guess if that is what they need to do, then so be it.

Personally, I would have a hard time forgiving someone who killed those young girls.

Whoa... makes you wish there was less of a stigma attached to sexual deviancy and the acquisition psychological help. I mean, maybe if it were easier to admit that you were a pedophile, it would be easier to get help? Maybe if he leveled with his wife instead of telling her in a suicide note, he could've gotten the help he needed, and those kids would still be alive. Alas, being sick is apparantly a terrible thing in our society, and not at all a symptom of the human condition.

I don't care that they're Amish. Innocent people get hurt every day, and it's always a tragedy. Where one person could've been healed, a lot of people were hurt, and that's always a testament to the fucked up state of affairs that the human condition has become.

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I have a new respect for the Amish community. I think it's pretty arrogant and over-cynical to assume that they would forgive the shooter for selfish reasons, and that's coming from a cynic. You know nothing of the situation, and thus have nothing but your own personal bias to base such an assumption on. The fact is that we are all capable of doing terrible things of this nature, given the right stimuli and a lack of help from loved ones. Once you recognize this, the reason why they forgive even a child killer becomes pretty obvious.

It's also excessively lame to judge an entire way of life by the idiocy and depravity of a few individuals. If a person fails to understand their own religion, then they are an utter moron, since most religion is designed to be understood by all who seek it. The people who turned a blind eye, the people who would weep for the victimizers before the victim, have no understanding of the way of life that they, themselves, are a part of. Forgiveness is divine, but one should forgive the victimizers only after they repent, and after the victims have been helped. To see a sin and turn a blind eye is essentially the same as committing it yourself, as anyone with even a basic understanding of Christianity should know.

This is precisely why people should not be born into a way of life, but should instead explore all options and choose for themselves. If you don't understand the doctrine, than don't call yourself a believer. 'Nuff said.

It makes you wonder. Like what the hell else KY Jelly is used for.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KY_Jelly

Yeah, ionuk tomb, because the entire Amish population must account for the actions of one family.

I'm not saying that Amish are incapable of sin or something. But don't be a dumbass.

I didn't say that the entire Amish community should account for it. I was just pointing out the lack of rationalization on the part of the members of the Amish community that were at the courthouse.

I'm pretty certain that anyone would forgive most people if they really thought doing so would provide themselves a better afterlife; this is a somewhat moot point. Honestly, I think that most forgivness for murder and other heinous acts is "insincere at best."

I'd still really like to know what made the murderer go nuts.

Must not have been able to go through with the molesting... got angry and decided to shoot them all.

I think the cops showing up made him panic... and I think he had a lack of decision before hand...

Lemme guess, "he played Quake, GTA etc and listened to rap and metal music etc" too ¬_¬

No one said that, second he's an adult, wasn't he around his 30s?

They'd be saying that if it was a 15 year old doing this.

I think he was in his 40s.

But yeah, I would blame it on videogames.... just kidding:biggrin:

I don't think they will get a full understanding of what happened that day. Its unfortunate, but with him being dead, there isn't much to tell. Maybe on of the girls who was there can tell.

Yeah, definitely video games. Especially Counter-Strike: Amish Town.

I can't see how anyone has the ability to forgive such an evil monster like that pedophilic murderer. If someone like "him" ever killed my family, I would never be able to forgive such a monster. I'd hunt "him" down and kill "him" in a gruesome slow manner.

Those kids had it coming. The Amish are stinky tax evaders.

Sarcasm.

Gotta admit that did actually make me LoL irl.