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The Black Mages III news. A bunch of pointless speculation follows.
(Sorry, no release date or tracklist yet!)
Uematsu has stated several times that TBM3 was being worked on this year (and I believe he expected it to be released by year's end, as well), but until now there's been no other details available. This interview surfaced the other day at the Soundtrack Central boards, courtesy of Godai. Relevant bits: Quote:
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(EDIT: Uh, I guess I need postcount++ before I can post a URL. That's mildly retarded, but okay - if you want to read the full interview, go to the Soundtrack Central boards and look at the first page of the "Game" forum.) |
Greak freaking news. I'm so looking forward to this. I still remember 22.12.04, the moment I held the disc in my hand was sure beautiful, but the time that I waited for it to come out was magical. Now I get to live that moment again.
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I've enjoyed the recent work of the Black Mages (One-Winged Angel and Last Battle (FFIII)), mostly because the solos near the end of the songs were less outrageous and more fitting. I no longer enjoy the first album and much of the second due to solos which just don't fit, or performance styles which are too slow for my tastes.
Assuming the third album will be styled more like Last Battle (FFIII) and One-Winged Angel, I think I'll be very pleased. |
Great news, I hope both discs live up to the standard that the Black Mage's first two releases have set! Can't wait to see some of my favourite battle themes get on there which missed being chosen for the first release...("Premonition" would be awesome, yet it's highly doubtful they'd choose that)
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I'd be very interested to see if the rock-opera sees the return of opera singer Tomoaki Watanabe (aka mr.goo). I'm also hoping that Keiji Kawamori (who did "The Chase on the Highway" for Advent Children) and Michio Okamiya (who did "Maybe I'm a Lion" on The Skies Above) will arrange, as they have something original to add.
neothe0ne, you might be interested to know that those two tracks you were mentioned were done by Kenichiro Fukui, not the band's main arranger Tsuyoshi Sekito. Though he also did "The Man with the Machine Gun", "Zeromus", "The Skies Above", and "Blue Blast...", which were all fairly controversial additions to the second album. Quote:
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Last album, a few people (myself included), were expecting Dark Messenger (FF9) to be on TBMII. Once again, here's to hoping it happens on this album.
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Ah awesome. I've been waiting for this news for awhile. I play the entire first album on guitar at least once a week now.
Some stuff I'd love to see: FFIV: Red Wings, or Fight 1 or 2, FFV: Decisive or Last Battle, ANYTHING from FFVI, particularly the Dream Oath Opera, that'd totally rule. From FFVII, perhaps Birth of a God, from FFIX, Jesters of the Moon, We are Thieves, Ancient Passage and Evil Messenger. Anything that they can make rockin' is good in my book anyhow...though I would personally hope for less of the singing. Detracted from the seriousness of it for me. I'm actually very interested in this second disc though. I'd love to hear more stuff from that that I "haven't heard" already. I favor thier style as a prog band, so anything different would definently be awesome. |
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The vocal in The Skies Above is OK, but the solo at the end is a killer.
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If they DID do the Dream Oath Opera though, I wouldn't mind if they used that guy again. Heh, they could use him AND the female vocalist from Otherworld, and they got a Draco and Maria right there. But if I could pick any song for them to do, it'd totally be the DDO. I used to play that song on guitar (and bass) alot. I'd love to be able to play a BM version :edgarrock: The Day After would be awesome too (another song I can play), but I think it'd be better in like a FFVI medley of dark world themes (like Dark World, and Searching for Friends, which would also work well by itself, bass line++) Some other songs from FFVI I'd LOVE to see would be: Mines of Narshe (cool with a jazzy prog spin), Returners, Mystery Train, Serpent Trench, Save Them!, Slam Shuffle, Devil's Lab, New Continent, Fierce Battle, The Magic House, and Last Dungeon. There's too many. Just MOOOOAR FFVI. I'd seriously give a left nut for a Black Mages FFVI arrange album (Ok, I probably wouldn't if they asked me). But I doubt Uematsu would ever want to revisit an entire album anyway. |
Since they did Zeromus, Dancing Mad, Otherworld, and One Winged Angel so well, I would absolutely DIE to hear The Extreme. I can only vaguely picture some of the many possibilities the song offers, especially with it's busy bass line.
It's quite a pep up to hear that BM3 is in progress, and that they're not stopping at 2. I also like how they're gradually branching out from being just "FF battle music". |
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I was also worried about them stopping after BM2, and I sincerely hope they keep going strong (as if not implied by my unyielding enthusiasm). BM is how I found GFF in the first place, actually. Also, as much as I love battle themes, they tend to be overdone, and I would like to see thier spin on other types. For the most part, BM1 was all prog-metal (which I love), but I'd like to see, for example, a jazzy-fusion style of Narshe Mine. Quote:
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This is great news. i really liked the first two cds and the live performances were great. perhaps more FF8 music??? (please....)
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I agree the Skies Above is a real good track. I hated much of Black Mages II though, I liked the Battle of the Four Fiends and Skies Above. The second disk ruined some very good battle themes such as Maybe I'm a Lion. I think though that the first CD was in my opinion was the best, you couldn't beat the J-E-N-O-V-A and Those Who Fight Further tracks. I would want Decisive Battle and Summoned Beast Battle of FFX remixed as these were pretty good tracks, plus the battle theme against Edea in FFVIII. I am looking very forward to the third Black Mages CD with excitement and worries. I just hope that they pick some good themes and remix them well.
Double Post: I do agree with Bighunt, they do need to remix some of the FFVIII battle themes especially on how the ruined the Maybe I am Lion track with that real shitty remix. Double Post: Plus to SuperSonic: Premonition was the battle theme against Edea and Ultimecia wasn't it? |
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Well, it's an awesome tracks nonetheless. |
Those Who Fight Further is my fave BM track. It is just damn awesome.
I'm looking forward to the third album. I don't care what tracks they'll use, but I hope there's a rendition of Locke's theme :D |
Liberi Fatali or The Landing would make some interesting rock tracks. A chocobo compilation would be cool too.
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Seems like I'm the only one who doens't really care that much for the FFVIII OST. I still wonder how they'd be wanting to be expressing japanese folk tales on the second disc. I can't imagine that really working without lyrics, and if it DOES involve lyrics, I hope it ISNT Mr. Goo entirely, I don't think I'd be able to take it seriously. If they do an english story, have the singer be english, and if it's a japanese story, have it be a japanese singer. That's all I ask for vocals. |
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Double Post: Servilonus: With me I was a fan of the FFVIII OST but not of the game as much. The game was good but didn't follow on as strongly as that of Final Fantasy VII. Plus I feel uneasy about them doing vocals after what happened with BMII. I hated Otherworld but Skies Above was pretty good. Slash: Liberi Fatali deserves a remix indeed. It was a excellent track:) And plus, I would love to hear some the FFXII battle themes remixed. Hitoshi Sakimoto did such a excellent job, that it would interesting to hear some of the Final Fantasy XII battle music remixed. |
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dude with all my respect, maybe im a lion is one of the best songs from TBM2 but hey taste are different right? anyway, this are really good news indeed!!! i was waiting for this, and i was waiting to order the other 2 cds. Double Post: Quote:
The extreme all the way up kick ass song |
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you are right magus, at least we agre in The Extreme!!
i remember that after i heard about of the first black mages album, i really wanted it to be in the album, but it didnt make it, not even in the second. now is the change Mr. UEMATSU PLEASE DO THE EXTREME!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
I feel alienated by not knowing all the old battle themes... I'm largely a VII/VIII kid. I think the first album was more to my liking than the second - just something about it was in a way, less polished - but at the same time made it better, y'know?
The only song I can think of that I want to see remixed that hasn't been done... hmm... Birth Of A God would be cool, I'll admit. I also really liked the WEAPON music, even though it was relatively simple. Chocobo themes would also rock hardcore. |
Hi All! Sorry for bad English ^_-
I am from Russia ^_^ TBM is my favourite group, and i want to know where i can find (download) 1st album in good quality (bit rate 240+). And what about 3rd album, are there any news? |
well try browsing my stuff forum there should be some people sharing it on their ftps, if you cant find it, send me a PM and ill upload it and send it to you.
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heh different tastes indeed, the version of the Maybe I'm a Lion on BM2 is hands down my favorite Black Mages song... followed by Zeromus and Matoya's Cave.
Regarding BM3, I wouldn't be surprised if we see some more from FFVI as it was passed over in BM2. I also wouldn't expect to see much from VIII or IX as they both had 2 tracks on BM2. I do like the idea of "The Extreme" being black-mageifyed, it is one of the odder final battle songs and I really think they could do something special with the slow guitar intro. If it were up to me, a few of my requests would be "The Fierce Battle" (AtmaWeapon fight) from FFVI, "Last Battle" from FFV, "Messenger of Darkness" from FFIX, and some variety of Chocobo theme. I'm a pretty big fan of FFVIII's (Mods de Chocobo), but hey, it's hard to go wrong with the choco tunes. |
i agree with you maybe im a a lion and zeromus, are my favs!!
I can remember when i was a kind loving the song and beating the ff2 snes game over and over to listen to the song. regarding BM3, well i agree, songs from FFVI and FFV, and i really hope that i can hear the extreme, i always liked the song. |
Any news on when this (double) album might be released? I've been looking, and all I can find is that they will begin working on it in the "near future" (from the Wikipedia entry on them).
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Nothing seems to have been announced yet - the album was supposedly due for last autumn, but it hasn't appeared on any release calanders... :(
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Hi dudes,
As I know, The Black Mages visited Extra ~Hyper Game Music Event 2007 Live~. But there is no info - what tracks are played, few words from the band?.. Fuck... I mean, someone must put review about this event or so. Maybe it's only on jap. blogs? What happened?.. It seems that many people forgot this great band. It makes me very sad :( |
D!zzy, there was plenty of Japanese magazine & JP blog coverage about the EXTRA live 2007 event...
To answer your immediate questions, the Black Mages performed 4 songs: 最後の死闘 (FF3) Those Who Fight Further (FF7) Maybe I'm a Lion (FF8) Clash on the Big Bridge (FF5) At this event, Nobuo said that the Black Mages III Album should be done around early 2008. For photos and tracklists for all the performers, here's one of the better website writeup coverage of the live shows: Part 1 http://www.microgroup.co.jp/gs/ex-report/ex-report.htm Part 2 http://www.microgroup.co.jp/gs/ex-report/ex-report2.htm |
Aw, Carl is my hero again! Thank you!! Do you know, any plans to made video?
*damn, why i don't know japanese already?* =) |
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As further confirmation, Uematsu was questioned by a fan at the recent concert in Stockholm about the album's release, and promised it would be out in March of 2008. Here's hoping it'll be worth the wait.
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I think this is a good time to bump this old thread.
The album is due to release on March 19th and plenty of info is available now. Track list: 1) "Opening ~ Bombing Mission" [from Final Fantasy VII] (Kenichiro Fukui) 2) "Neo ExDeath" [from Final Fantasy V - "The Final Battle"] (Michiro Okamiya) 3) "The Extreme" [from Final Fantasy VIII] (Michio Okamiya) 4) "Assault of the Silver Dragons" [from Final Fantasy IX] (Arata Hanyuda) 5) "Kuraminokumo" [from Final Fantasy III - "This is the Last Battle"] (Kenichiro Fukui) 6) "Distant Worlds" [from Final Fantasy XI] (Kenichiro Fukui) 7) "Premonition" [from Final Fantasy VIII] (Tsuyoshi Sekito) 8) "Grand Cross" [from Final Fantasy IX - "Final Battle"] (Keiji Kawamori) 9) "Darkness and Starlight" [from Final Fantasy VI - "Maria and Draco"] (Part 1 by Tsuyoshi Sekito, Part 2 and 4 by Kenichiro Fukui, Part 3 by Michio Okamiya) 10) "LIFE ~in memory of KEITEN~" (Original Composition by Nobuo Uematsu) Official Site The Blog Mages 2008 Unfortunately, it will be a one disc album after all. :( At the official site you can watch a few promotional videos/interviews. Samples of all the tracks (except track 10) can be heard in background during those. Track 5 isn't new, it's "This is the Last Battle", the bonus track from FF III DS OST. :( About track 10: Quote:
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Yeah, the mages themselves sing the chorus, and in the last video Uematsu says the opera singers from the previous orchestral concerts (which means mr. goo as well :tpg:) return. Semi-humorous, semi-epic, just like "The Skies Above", but bigger and better! (I hope) :) So, what're everybody's expectations? |
Darkness and Starlight is going to be the most awful thing ever. Well, except for a version which would be presented by mr. goo's horrible wailing.
Hopefully there will be 1-2 decent tracks on this one too, like on the previous albums. |
Track 1 will hopefully rock my socks, since that's one of my favorite video game tunes ever. Though, the most likely event is that they will butcher it and ruin it forever :(
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I'm expecting some seriously great things from this album. The tracklist seems very good! I'm very interested in #10, though; the story's sad. :(
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I'm honestly expecting about a 50/50 split with this album in terms of the successfulness of the arrangements. From what I've heard of the samples, this doesn't sound too bad after all. I'm still a sucker for rock arrangements of classic FF tunes, so I'm pretty sure I'll like this even if there are quite a few stinkers.
I'm about the hugest fan of "Premonition" you'll find anywhere, by the way. |
4, 6, 9, and 10 would be the only tracks I wouldn't have too good of an idea for. I've only heard a long vocal version of 9 on Distant Worlds. The rest seems to be gold, and my wish for them to finally cover the Extreme has come true! I think that if Serenade and others can successfully combine two songs like Premonition and The Extreme, then the Black Mages should be able to come out with something even more amazing just focusing on remixing single songs.
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No Dark Messenger AGAIN, however Premonition and The Extreme from VIII and the Final Battle from IX will definitely be something to look forward to. Honestly, I was about to go back to this thread and bump it up, asking when/if there was a release date.
I guess that question's been answered. ^_^ |
yeah the extreme made it!!!
at last im lloking forward to it!!! |
For somebody who's getting a bit sick of FF music, hopefully this will lighten my spirits, though I don't want anymore vocal tragedy like in the last album. UGH!
Sekito seems to do a really good job when arranging, so I have some good expecations. |
THE BLACK MAGES -Darkness and Starlight-
Here's samples of every track except the last one, which is a new composition by Uematsu. |
A sample of the last track can be heard in their final video.
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It really is that bad news. I don't know if I'll be able to listen to the cd even once. He could lurk on any of the other tracks too... OH GOD. =( |
Well, maybe you've all had wrong expectations for this album. I've never seen so many negative previews of a CD just based on tracklist speculations. And it's not only at this place.
Oh.. your favorite track didn't make it again? Well be glad that way it can't be performed by mr.goo. What I've heard so far is awesome, even though some tracks are lacking too many guitars for a Black Mages album (The Extreme is just synth, isn't it). The tracklist completely satisfies me by taking the (STILL) underrated tracks like Assault of the Silver Dragons and Neo Exdeath and giving them some fresh taste. I think this turns out a lot better than Black Mages II. |
The tracklist makes me sad . . . I was hoping and wishing for an awesome Organ + Guitar Birth of a God.
Dammit, Motoi, just cover the damn song already. You'd actually do it justice (if it was live instruments) |
We've published an interview with Uematsu-san to go along with the album release:
Darkness and Starlight Interview. Some interesting bits of info here, especially the fact that he used to perform in a band 20 years ago. Maybe that's old news, but I don't seem to recall hearing that before. |
Now that I've listened through the album, I can say that my expectations were at least met: I found a few tracks I enjoy. The Extreme wasn't raped completely, to my surprise, in fact it was quite enjoyable even though the guitar solo in the middle was embarassing. And the gem on this album is Grand Cross, fricking vicious, but could've been a bit faster to lose the 60's rock vibe.
The Black Mages seems to be hoarding a double-edged sword when it comes to making their rock tracks. While they almost always keep the arrangements very close to the original songs, and while this sometimes works out really well (twice on this album), sometimes the tracks turn out relatively uninteresting, boring or even downright tasteless and horrible (like Assault of the Silver Dragons or Darkness and Starlight, for example). Anyway, I listened to it, will be keeping a few of the tracks on my computer, but this is not material I would buy, not in a million years. |
Our full impressions just went live:
Darkness and Starlight Review. I think it's a great album, but if you're not into rock, then it's probably not for you, obviously. I really enjoy what they did with Distant Worlds. |
is it our now??? ill have to check where i can find this album, i love rock so i would probably ejoy the album
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This album is okay...I'm listening to it right now. Will post my reviews on it later
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I find this to be the BEST album by the Black Mages yet. The only track I don't particularly care for is Darkness and Starlight. I'd much rather have had another One Winged Angel rehash than that. Besides that track, the rest of the album exceeded my expectations. Distant Worlds, Assault of the Silver Dragons, The Extreme, Neo Exdeath, and Grand Cross are quite entertaining and are the among the most solid of Black Mages arrangements. I hope that Uematsu continues to make BLM albums, especially if the quality gets better than this!
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Contrarily, I am actually quite disappointed by this album in comparison, and my expectations were shattered in a bad way :( It's probably just me, but the style of rock this time around was far too synthy, and the electric guitars weren't as prominent or deep as I would have come to expect and love. all the tracks were "good, but not fantastic". Probably the one that stands out the most to me is Grand Cross, not having heard many other remixes for stuff from IX, although 2, 3 and 7 are also nice to hear. Kurayaminokumo could do without the nostalgia throwback with the starting instrument, while Assault of the Silver Dragons had so much potential but didn't utilize it fully.
Despite what I just said, I liked every single track, but I was expecting at least one of them to stay on my list for a long time, but this is now flavour of the week material to me unfortunately, coming off as more generic rock, instead of blowing me away like the first two albums. I'm hoping this is simply a taste of acquired taste. |
Grand Cross was one of the least impressive pieces in my opinion. It was too straightforward. There wasn't much interpretation by the band. Distant Worlds is the standout for me, although I enjoyed Darkness and Starlight as well.
Anyway, a lot of people are saying it's too "synthy," but that's what Fukui is there for. He did a great job, even reminding me of Sakuraba at points. |
This is my favourite of the Black Mages albums, but I'm still not completely blown away by this. Not a huge fan of the new synthesis-orientated arrangements, but most of the arrangements themselves are pretty solid with this cleaner, clearer sound. "Distant World", "Grand Cross" and "Premonition" are absolute winners in my book.
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Arcuablis,
I was also reminded of Sakuraba. The one track that is quite evident of this is Opening~Bombing Mission. It's very much like his concert version of Dawn of Wisdom. |
It's a good album, but i thought it was a bit soft, i don't like how the guitars don't really stand out like they did on the previous albums. There was some sick guitar solos, but it didn't sound that much more pronounced as they did before. I gotta say Distant Worlds surprised me, i never heard that song before and right now it's probably my favorite track.
I just wished the guitars were louder and stood out more, they were blended in with everything else, and it kinda took away from the sweetness of the solos. |
It's not that good.
I think I and II were way better. I'm pretty glad I bought II, probably one of the sweetest purchases I've ever made. The cover is sweet as hell too. |
I thought the first two were already too synthy and now they're even more? Oh geez.. One thing that's funny about Black Mages is that the idea is just brilliant but the execution is most of the time very subpar or even downright ridiculous (mr. goo what the f). Guess I'll have to check out this one too :P
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Seems like theres a SQL error on Gamemp3s. Can anyone here upload the torrent or the album itself? Seems like this is an album I have to hear it for myself, since reactions seem to be mixed.
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I was disappointed on my first few listens too, but then I listened more and more to the album for site review purposes. It really grew on me and, in the end, I gave it a 10/10. Only three albums in in the past have received such a score (Motoi Sakuraba Live Concert 2003, Final Fantasy VI Original Sound Version, and, when I finally get round to releasing it, Gradius Arcade Soundtrack). That's out of over 100 detailed reviews.
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I myself do also wish that they dont rely on synth too much, since they're suppose to be a band. But damn, I love Distant Worlds, cannot stop listening to it over and over. Grand Cross is also awesome.
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Wow, this thread was started late 2006. It's early 2008, and this is the result of the album? What were they doing the whole time? I never did like these Black Mages albums, and this one is garbage just like the rest. Horrible remixes, save one or two every album, which marginally miss horrible and skid into the listenable range.
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I thought the album was just okay, which is a disappointment. It could have been much, MUCH better. Only a few of the tracks were enjoyable. Best song on the album was probably Distant World in my opinion. Opening - Bomb Mission and Premonition aren't too bad either. 5/10
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well, i must say that the best for me was BM2, this one is ok.
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They said on their promo videos that it was going to be heavier than the previous albums - far to much organ work in this album - they've gone soft on us. The arrangements are predictable. The only fresh sound seems to be in Distant Worlds, Premonition was good as well, but not enough to lift the rest of the album up. Assault of the Silver Dragons has lost it's urgent theme and it now sounds slower and 'happier.'
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I must say I'm pretty disappointed with the latest Black Mages album. I was expecting something heavier and less with "synth". Although it has it's good parts, most of the album is boring and predictable.
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The rhythm guitar is WAY too soft. I'd hardly even call this a metal album. It's more like a j-synth-pop album, which is a horrible direction for them to go. Terribly dissapointed. Especially with bombing mission and extreme. UGH.
I really liked darkness and starlight though. And of course distant worlds, but that's a given. |
So, has anyone watched the DVD yet?
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