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Neon Genesis Evangelion
I recently finished wathcing the series. The character development is what I like the most about this (sometimes abstract) anime. What does turn me off are the last two episodes.
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Best part of Evangelion is the merchandise.
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Any updates on the live action movie?
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I loathed NGE. Except for the first soundtrack, it was an entire let-down.
Why? Well, for starters, Shinji. Most of the series is him being emo. The fighting and technology as well as in-depth nature made the anime decent to watch. If it focused moreso on fighting as opposed to making everything so fucked up close to the end, things would've been much more enjoyable. But the characters annoyed me to no end. I recently downloaded RahXephon and am expecting more of it. The only part of the series I truly enjoyed was...: Spoiler:
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I agree with Gechmir to a fault. It wore on me sometimes when they would focus entire episodes on Shinji and his childlike behavior and lack of self-esteem. Besides that, the fighting was good and presented at differnt angle than most other giant-mecha anime.
One thing that surprised me most about this anime was the song choice for the ending theme, "Fly Me To The Moon by Frank Sinatra". That's what really made this anime stand out to me. Great stuff there. |
I watched about 15 seconds of this on Cartoon Network and have added this as another series that got ripped on the dubbing. You figure with the fanbase that this series has, they would work harder on the dubbing.
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That's the sad thing about dubbing companies. Too many good series get destroyed in the dubbing process. I was totally turned off by Shinji's voice.
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I agree, I thought his voice was way to high-pitched and whiny. |
One of the best series ever in my opinion. Although the series has a fucked up ending, and a completely opposite ending in the movie, its still amazing. The character development is probably the best i've ever seen acheived in any anime. Rahxephon had a story that made more sence but their character development couldn't touch Evangelion.
Man i just rewatched this a few weeks ago but i already am kinda wanting to watch it again. |
Early ADV had a habit of reusing the same handful of voice actors. Look to Burnout Warrior, Evangelion, Blue Seed, Golden Boy, Gunsmith Cats... List goes on. NUMEROUS repeat-voice actors.
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Because no matter what anyone tells you, THAT'S the real ending. And it's spectacular. And it still can work along with the series ending, metaphysically speaking. Spoiler:
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End of Eva is the real ending. Puny Earthlings can't handle it.
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And umm yeah, more defending the show to come. Favorite anime, gotta support it. |
God, Shinji is whiny and irritating. He's one of the most frustrating characters in any anime -- which I suppose is a triumph in itself. Maybe that's why his dub voice doesn't bother me *too* much. Really, I'm more frustrated by Asuka's voice, with her lousy German. Of course, this might be because Asuka is one of my favorite female anime characters.
I've watched the series 1.5 times and EoE a couple times. I really liked the series in the beginning, but would rather skip the last 3 or so episodes of the series and skip directly to End of Evangelion. And I hated Death and Rebirth. That was a huge waste of my time watching it, and their time making it. |
At any rate, after I watched it, I just gave up on it(knowing the symbolisism). But hey, this IS america, so dubs r us!! Alas, I too rather have a dislike of Shinji's dubbed voice. Ever tried Eva-Death and Rebirth? Tres horrible.
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When I started downloading the episodes, I watched the dub version... Only because I was familiar with the English voice actors. I'll see how the Japanese voices compare once I give End Of Evangelion a try.
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OMG GOD... EoE they fucked up so bad in english, the added some sound effects, and stuff. if i remeber correctly, there was a gunshot that moved to a slap scene, and the slap was what was heard, and they went and put a gunshot sound in there, because it wasnt 'cool enought' or some shit... >.< it aggrivates me to NO end.... >.< but as for Eva, one of the many series, i hold dear to my heart. first series i owned all of... and i will be getting the platinum box, as soon as it goes on sale @ rightstuf.com :)
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For those who are still confused:
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I heard some freaky shit goes down in End of Evangelion, right now I'm giving the movie a download and expect it to arrive in the next 30 minutes. Hopefully it provides a better conclusion than episodes 25 & 26. |
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And Sir VG, your logic is kind of backwards I think. The show didn't have a US fanbase until after it got released -- after the voices had already been done. The most that could've been done would be to re-dub the voices for the Platinum releases, and that'd be a bit much don't ya think? |
I dont like NGE. Shinji is not just annoying, he´s a freak.
I would never want to be in the same room with him when its dark. |
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Did they actually call in the VAs to redo the whole series? Or did they just edit the existing voices into 5.1?
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This is pretty much my opinion of the NGE series: http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b3...reallylike.jpg I finished watching this series around Christmas break, purely to see what the whole "hype" was behind this series. I actually liked it more than I expected, but I already read so many fan's lamentations on the last two episodes, so basically I did see it coming and didn't expect much. End of Evangelion wasn't much help either, as my favorite character (as well as pretty much everyone else), Misato... Spoiler:
What did I like about this particular series by Gainax? 1) Animation: I must say I didn't expect too much in terms of quality animation forthis TV series, but I was quite impressed with the traditional hand drawn techniques employed throughout the series. I wasn't "blown away" with any of the visuals, but I was generally quite happy about the animation technique. 2) Characters: Perhaps this is somewhat iffy, but Evangelion has quite the different range of characters to keep it interesting. There's the "Miss Honor Student-Quiet-As-A-Mute" Rei and the "Hot-headed-Arrogant-Condescending" Asuka, which makes a few amusing social situations. Personally, I really didn't find Shinji that amiable at all - well I doubt many would find his quiet, reserved, but also somewhat timid approach - amiable. 3) Pacing: I find it quite rare for an anime series to have brief moments of "silence" or pauses (anime series which I have seen, that is). Such an example is when Shinji is going to leave on the train, but Misato races in her car to see him. There's a slight pause for about 5 seconds which the audience hears the sound of crickets and such. Another example includes Shinji lying in bed listening to his cassette tape. Some may find these momentary pauses as pointless, but I'm quite fond of them, actually. Well…that’s pretty much it. What I didn’t like? 1) Episodes 25& 26. I guess this is a “love it” or “hate it” part of the series. I don’t feel like beating over dead horses about this one, so much of my gripe would be the same as those in the “hate it” section. I'm pretty sure this thing called the "Internet" has had its share of flamewars over the debate as to whether these last two episodes were shit-filled-pieces-of-brainless-poo-that-wastes-everyone's-time or Anno's artistic expression to what Shinji experiences. I don't intend to open this up here. 2) Why does it seem that NERV is the most inept “special forces” arm of the UN? (Correct me if I’m wrong about the specifics about NERV), but it seems everytime there’s a crisis and one of the Angels attack, pretty much NERV just shuts right down. It seems that they get out of these pinches everytime thanks to Misato’s quick thinking. I’ve lost count of how many times Misa screams out along the lines of “ZOMG SYSTEM ISN’T RESPONDING!!!”. Seeing as how much funding is pumped into this NERV organization, I’m surprised that much of the system is just thrown into chaos. Of course one may argue that these “Angel nemesis” are equipped with far greater alien technology which can override any Earthly devised defense initiative, which is why NERV seems incompetent to get any of their systems online and functioning nominally especially during times of crisis. The second point isn’t really a point that makes me “not like” the series, but it’s just something that kept prompting me in the back of my head. Clearly though, point number one was the big issue I had with the series, not point number two. In conclusion, I did find this series enjoyable (see picture), but it’s on the overrated side, seriously. Perhaps it’s the ending that perpetuates talk and discussion to this day and keeps the series “alive” for discussion sake, as Anno may have desired. Meh. |
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On second thought, Fuck, I love EOE. I don't know why now. But even though it's a rather bizzare way to end the series, it somehow just falls all into place. In the original ending, (okay everyone probably knows this by now but what the hell), Shinji made the decision in his mind, but in EOE, we see the physical manifestations of his decision to be himself and not part of the LCL instrumentality project. So I guess everyone else just wanted to be in the "in group". Bleh. Okay. Yeah I did point out above that much of the cast is laid to waste which did kind of suck for my favorite characters, but perhaps the real point is that such an earth-shattering-ground-breaking process that transforms the world doesn't choose "favorites" to survive, besidse Shinji and Asuka.
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Anyway, yeah I dunno I watched this serious many years ago. It was all cool during the viewing of it except the last few episodes sucked balls. That being said, Asuka kicking ass during the final installment made up for all the crap the rest of the series offered viewers. |
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I will be watching this over spring break, so i might be able to fill you in, more than you want to know after that...its just been bout 2 years since i sat and watched all of it through....Im starting to sound like the eva monkey here ^^;; |
Evangelion is my favorite anime of all, I've watched it in 1998 or 1999 and so far nothing compares to it in my opinion.
www.sega.co.jp, since you just watched the show, a good material to understand a bit more of EVA is the Red Croos Book, a book distributed to the first people to watch End of Evangelion in Japan, it countains a lot of explanations. To be honest I haven't read all of it but a friend of mine which also loves Evangelion read it all and said it is a must for Evangelion fans. If you want it, I'll put a link here for this book. And I'd like opinion of you guys on something, I have the Chinese DVD version of Evangelion, the quality is fairly good, but recently was released the Platinum Box of Evangelion, and it isn't as much expensive as I expected it ot be, so I'm thinking on buying it. It's a bit pricy for me 'cause I don't live in USA, I would just like to ask for those of you who have it if it is worth it ? I heard it has 4 extras stuff, and I'd like to hear about hte quality of image and sound .... |
This Red Croos Book intrigues me. Reading I shall!
Thanks for the info, never knew of the thing. |
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DeepdiscountDVD or check at best buy i thin it was like 48+tax there(cant find it online)...It comes with alot of special features, and i mean ALOT! it comes with the series, and like 5 hours of bonus stuff(now i believe each dvd has ~5 mins of the op/ed cuts, in that 5 hours) but anyway, and ep 21-24 are the DIRECTOR'S CUT EDITION! you can watch it normal or with the director's cut animation if i do recall correctly. and for those who have not seen the directos cuts let me tell you O.O WATCH IT NOW!!!! there's some stuff that you missed that will pretty much blow your mind...well i thought so anyway...some of the scenes where in Death_True^2(the US Death and Rebirth release), but not all of them... |
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NGE was the first "real" anime I watched, I think I saw it first back in 1999 or 2000. Untill then the only anime I had seen was DBZ (and I actually thought it was cool back then, LOL). Eva introduced me to the wonderful world of anime, so it will always be one of my favorites. |
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I think it can be agreed that Evangelion is best watched when you are a whiny teenager. Of course you're going to be irritated with it if you watch it as a rational-minded adult, as you'll have forgotten what that sort of angst is like.
That being said, I watched it when I was in 10th grade in Sigh School, and have loved it ever since. Also, I find re-watching it to be highly theraputic. Helped me through some hard times. |
After seeing the entire Evangelion series I felt like becoming some kind of hospital worker so I can pull a Shinji on a female patient.
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Neon Genesis Evangelion is one of my favourite anime, and one of the first ones I ever discovered way back in the day. I can definitely see why some people don't like it - it's got elements in it that are going to put off viewers who were looking for a traditional mecha anime.
You could even call it bad writing in some parts, because it's so obtuse, and doesn't get to the bloody point. However, for some people, it just works. It's also lovely to watch while extremely stoned. |
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But he's 21...:( It's enjoyable to me because of all the Mysticism that's woven into the plot, and all the references to the non-canon parts of the Bible. That in itself is enough to make it interesting to me. |
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That's just my thoughts. If you still disagree, then that's valid. Try watching the ending again, though... I'd do the same myself, but I've seen it far too many times, now. |
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now that probly dont need a spoiler, for that last part but meh.... |
Dammit, the movie was the biggest trip I've ever seen. It makes FLCL look normal in comparison. After some thought, the final ending to NGE Series was better than the EoE, here's why:
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I think every episode could easily end with Shinji standing over Asuka.
"I'm so fucked up." It really would work. |
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I saw it at eBay for about US$60.00, I don't have much choices of places to buy since I don't live in USA, and some of the sellers will ship it worldwide. The Red Cross Book answers a few questions that are left in the end of the anime and the movies. I don't know about you, but I find the ending of End of Evangelion to be much better than the regular one. |
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Who do you think would make the best match for Shinji: Misato, Rei or Asuka?
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I can't add anything to what you just said, other than to speculate as to whether Shinji might prefer Asuka in spite of her demanding nature. There are plenty of hints in the series that his crush on her is both major and lasting. |
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Really though, Asuka was probably closer to Shinji than any other character in the series. |
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This is indeed the platinum edition, which is awesome, but there is NO extras at all, only some trailers on disc one, thats it, nothing else. the thin case collection, is condensed in 6 discs, ep 1-26 in first 5 DVDs and in the last one are the 4 directors cut episodes 21-22-23-24, but as i said no extras. if you want the platinum extras, you will have to buy the individual volumes, which are like 20 bucks each, and there are 7 volumes. pick according to your needs. Double Post: oh BTW the lowest price that i saw was in bestbuy website, for something like 32 dollars, its an excellent price. |
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The thing is that buying from a person (instead of a company) may have its advantages for me, because where I live if I buy something that cost less than US$50.00 from a person I don't have to pay importation taxes, and these taxes are above 30% I think ... So unless I get a very cheaper price at Amazon or BestBuy, it comes cheaper to buy from a person. Anyway, I'll wait a bit more, since my credit card is about to arrive this week I'll have time to see which of the choices are better. |
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Is it just me, or did I get quite horny after that scene? FAP FAP FAP. LOLOLOL :edgartpg: Spoiler:
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Should have also posted the rest... I believe it was... "We'll finish the rest later." ... Hmmm maybe im just a perv but I don't think she means more kissing.
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That's one of the moments I loved the most watching Evangelion. |
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I should watch this again sometime.
SUPER SHAMPOO TIME, I WANT TO BANG MISATO!!!!:edgarrock: :
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Here's one thing that bothered me about EoE:
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Rei (pretty much the rest of the girls in EVA, except Misato and the scientist chick, damn what is her name, oh yeah: Ritsuko Akagi) is/are anorexic.
A cup, pretty prease... When Shinji "busted" into her apartment in episode 4 (if I remember correctly) to give her the homework notes, Rei standing there did not look hot. Also after seeing Rei in EOE, I don't think I can "look" at her the same way with any hint of infatuation. Oh wait. |
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I'll try slow motioning the scene in DVD. And if it is so, what's that supposed to mean ... ? |
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I have a question about Asuka in EoE:
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EoE was cool but sometimes it makes my head hurt... |
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I did, and my question wasn't already adressed.
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I got a question, as you may know, the evangelion renewal that came in japan was a remaster of the tv series and movies, and it appear as the platinum collection, but the movies are not in the collection, i think that have to do something with manga, that have the rights, anyone knows if the patinum movie editions will appear on america? i want to buy the movies, but i prefer the platinum over the old release.
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http://ec1.images-amazon.com/images/...CLZZZZZZZ_.jpg Run time: 650 Platinum Thin Collection http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0...CLZZZZZZZ_.jpg Run time: 650 all 7 Platinum DVDs indiviualy Run time: 825 (according to Robert's Anime Corner Store) |
Ah Eva, my favorite show. The Rei in my user name comes from Rei Ayanami. I am scarily obsessed with her... I can't even imagine how much I've spent on Rei merchandise. Got everything from Rei window blinds to a Unit 00 snowboard.
I guess I can see why people wouldn't like Shinji, but personally I thought he was fine. I know I'd have been in much worse condition had I gone through all that at 14. Cut the kid a little slack. Series/movie ending: Spoiler:
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You make some good points, and this is why I love Eva. Can look at the same thing and have opposite views.
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The one real strength about this show is the music. I just can't stop listening to NGE: Decade, it has some of the best songs and with a few 10th anniversery editions thrown around. My current favorite song is Tamashi no Rufuran, gets the beat just right and has plenty of dramatic tunes. I'd say music plays as much as a role as it did in Cowboy Bebop.
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I have that image or Rei on a giant pillow. Honestly, Rei isn't a sex object for me at all. I really like her character. Was talking to aku last night about her. She's such a great character to analyze, and I like her personality (yes she has one, you just have to dig for it).
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i heard about this a long time ago then i started getting the dvds one by one. Rei Ayanami would be my favorite character in this show. the story had alot of potential. i didn't check out the END of Eva yet( yeah i know.. ) since i heard that everyone pretty much dies. this anime is pretty much on the top list of best anime close to Akira. The music was a strong point in this series.. i also want to check out the platinum dvds since there are extras and im dying to know what it is.
A few characters were alright. Shinji - definition of angst,lonliness and concern. either way ..i respect the guy for fighting back at anyone even if he runs away the first time lol. Toji suzuhara - i only wish him and the eva pilots would fight together =/. Kaoru Nagisa - Spoiler:
Misato - definition of sexy and badass major. Gendo Ikari - although Rei's my favorite.. Gendo is indeed the best charcter of the anime ,period. |
How about the greatest joke in the series. Among all that drama, there is actually some comedy.
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I liked the series but there were some aspects that did piss me off, once again. Shinji's constant whininess and moaning just pisses me off.
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I think the irony lies in the viewer saying "Oh for the love of God KILL YOURSELF!" and the series...basically teasing you about it.
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I don't know. Sure he complained, but did he ever not do his duty? The only time he really wasn't going to was the fight against Zereul, and that, I thought, was very understandable considering what Gendo made him do against Unit 03. Also the beginning of EoE as well, but by then everyone was in mental breakdown mode. So that's no surprise. He always stepped up and did what he needed to do.
So yeah, Shinji didn't like risking his life in a living robot that caused severe mental stressfor a father who showed him no love. I said it before, I doubt anyone at 14 could have done half of what he did and even stayed remotely sane. |
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The film, which I hadn't been able to watch until a good few years later after finishing the series was both a suprise and a great action film. I won't spoil it for those who haven't seen the film yet so I won't say anything more about the film. The series as a hole was good, there were some plot holes which I couldn't figure out until much later after thinking about it and reading other people's views and opinions. |
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anyway thanx for the info, i think ill buy the evangelion 2 pack set from manga! :biggrin: |
Has anyone read the Evangelion manga? I've read the first 8 volumes, but I'm not quite sure how many are there in total. At the moment, I've been trying to find scanlations online, but it seems the only good site I've found has only translated up to volume 8. Does anyone know where I can find the rest of the translations online?
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I'll just never again comment on manga. I seem to fail at life. Again |
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tha manga have many changes from the anime?
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yes, that was what i was trying to infussize on my last post :p...i would recommend paying the 9.99 all 9 times, Soon to be 10(crosses fingers) and buy it, if not check it out from your awsome local librery :)
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thanx for the info aku, today i was on a bookstore and i saw evangelion mangas, but i bought some macross 7trash, i think ill have to wait so next week.
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Soon to be 10? Does it imply that the Evangelion manga's aren't finished? I'm assuming the manga came before the anime - am I incorrect? Or does the manga steer the plot into a different direction than the anime?
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In Eva's case the manga did not come before the anime. They actually came out around the same time. While the anime was handled by Hideaki Anno, the manga is done by Sadamoto, the character designer. It's kind of the same plot, but it goes in completely different directions with it.
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You're right. The manga is far too Shinji-centric.
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I am a fan of the Evangelion anime but I have to say, I hated the manga.
When Evamgelion manga was licensed in my country I was all happy but after reading it ... it was such a let down. I'm not trying to start a fight between what's better, manga or anime. But I didn't have the feeling the manga was lacking something there is in the anime. To be honest, most of the time, I find animes to be better than their manga counterparts, with a few exceptions. So maybe, as I am more inclined to like animes, I didn't like this manga. |
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Volume 10 is out in Japan! that means that its only a matter of time before its here! |
Evangelion is beautifull until you watch the two last episodes without seeing the movies.
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See, I much prefer the manga. The storyline is more streamlined and (hopefully) won't go all apeshit at the end like it did in the anime. Not to mention certain people die when they seem to. Much more dramatic, that way. I thought the story had more push to it in the manga than the anime as well. That and I adore Sadamoto's artwork. Since I'm not a Rei fanatic, I don't care that her role is rather downplayed.
Not to mention I'm looking forward to the Shinji/Kaoru slashy stuff in Volume 10 ;). |
basically everything up to ep. 14 was good. after that everthing just seemed messed up. the whole christianity thing, plot that seemed to go nowhere and characters you liked or thought was cool suddenly seemed stupid
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... How can we be to page 5 and have not mentioned Ideon yet?
Hell, give Shinji an afro and orange hair and we're all set. By the way, before I forget, I got to page 3 before wanting to beat aku. I think that's an accomplishment. |
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I don't understand people's distaste towards the final episodes. It's not an esoteric thing - it's just a matter of paying attention to it. Too many people want to be catered to and have shit spelled out for them and laid at their feet. Why is it so hard to leave the story with a self-interpreting ending? Thats much more satisfactory than being utterly literal after having throw-away pesudo-christian symbolism and dramatic machina events that are there for nothing more than directorial shock value. It's not like Eva took a major chance in being a little more obtuse than most stories - for every dumbass who hates the end, theres two dumbasses who say "No one understands the series like I do". |
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This was quite some time ago, a few years back where my friend has described to me the last two episodes and how he was severley disappointed with how it concluded. This was even before I ever heard of the NGE series. So when I watched the series, I sort of knew what to expect at the end. When I watched it, I wasn't so much "disappointed", rather, I was bored. I'll have to rewatch the series at least once more to pick up on the parts I missed or overlooked, as well as have a look at EOE again. I still don't quite have a full understanding of the "background" actors and characters such as SEELE, and Gendo's ultimate agenda.
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While I like the majority of EOE, it's silly that people seem to like that more because it has more slambang action at the start and an even more obtuse ending.
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I personally find the ending of the TV series more "mentally digestible" than EOE. I don't think I can look at Rei wth adorning eyes quite the same way after seeing her "new doo".
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The series could have well had two different endings.
As far I'm concerned, the series' ending was allright, if not entirely appropriate. I know that Shinji was the lead character in the series, but I felt the ending focused too much on him and not enough on Nerv and the Angels. It was still a decent ending, but it only gave me closure for one character, disregarding Misato, Asuka, Rei, Gendo, Fuyutski, and the rest of the Nerv personnel. End of Evangelion's ending was....severely stranger, but combined with Rebirth, that ending felt a little more appropriate. It closed the chapter for Asuka, essentially, and Misato. Rei...well yeah, that was a little odd. But the climactic finish felt a little more deserving than Shinji's psychological breakdown and build-up. |
for the last time, they have the same endings, the tv and movies that is, if you watch and listen very closely you will figure it out...just read some of my earlyer posts...they explain it better...and the fact that Anno himself said they where the same, kinda makes my point valid
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Yes Aku, I hear you, and I do share the same "interpretation" (or in some people's minds as the difinitive ending) that the TV series being what's going on inside Shinji's head, and EOE showing what's going on in the real world. Although, it looks like this time the mind seems a bit more happy than the real world.
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I never got that impression at all.
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I'm curious about that jacket? Is it a jacket, like one you wear, or a jacket as in something to cover the DVDs? If it is a wearing jacket it better look good, and fit. Bandai annoyed me with their Eureka 7 and My-Hime shirts, which were only larges. I'm quite tall, so the things ended up looking like belly shirts...
Anyway, I'll end up buying it of course. Already own 4 full copies of the series. A fifth isn't going to hurt. |
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Unfortunately I don't remember the frame of mind I was in when I made that post, over a month ago. Don't know if I was trying to be funny, be an ass, or what. Most likely I was being an ass, I usually am. Though my opinion does tend to equal fact. I'm just good like that.
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It's funny because I came up with my theory before reading Jamieson's. I even disagree with his a bit, though I tend to agree with him on most of it. |
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I had thought I already posted my thoughts on this, but perhaps there has been another Evangelion thread, or it could even have been pre-crash. Who can say? I'm going to have to dissapoint you if you wish for me to present a comprehensive case, including evidence fully cited and laid out for all to see. I'd be more than willing to do so on request, but it has simply been too long since I've seen this anime for me to do so right now. The best I can do is to simply discuss how I perceive the ending, and make it clear that I'm only dealing in subjective matters. Spoiler:
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Personally, I disagree with Brendan Jamieson on most everything, by default. It usually seems like the right policy. I have a little more to say <i>in re</i>: the edits you made to your last post. This is going to be awkward, though, because of spoiler tags. Quote:
I would also have to ask if you speak fluent Japanese, at this point. Unless you do, it doesn't seem to me to be possible that you've seen the ending of Ideon, or even anything past episode 29. To the best of my knowledge, the HK bootlegs available of Ideon aren't complete. I'm glad to hear that you're a huge Ideon fan, though. I just finished timing 29, grab it from the Sadakobot. :) Quote:
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A final thought: Just because something was not shown, does not mean it didn't happen. In every narrative which is actualised through a visual medium, there is a certain amount of the action taking place "off-screen". I've no intentions of making a long and drawn-out debate on this topic though. I merely wish to make it plain that there is a degree of plurality regarding this issue. It is nowhere near to as cut-and-dried as some fans would have us believe. |
The great aspect of this series is that we can all take something different out of it. It's crafted so well its impossible for one view to be totally correct. As long as you can backup you claim with facts then your viewpoint is valid. I think that it's perfectly acceptable that the creators didn't have meaning for everything shown in this series. Fans can put their own meaning into it and have it mean what makes them feel the best.
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The dub is actually quite good. All of the characters had good performances and rememorable voices. One big problem though is the multiple voices for some of the characters. Toji, Fuyutsuki, Gendo, and Kaoru come to mind. |
Not only that, but all of those voice actors have gone on to achieve bigger and better roles, thus noting that their performance in Evangelion had a positive spin for 'em.
Besides, no one can do a voice-cracking pubescent male like Spike Spencer. See Shinji Ikari, Akito Tenkawa (Nadesico), and Majic (Orphen). |
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Anyway, you're right on there being different theories. I apologize if I came off rudely. I'm sorry about that, I type before I think. Oh yeah, you mentioned Ideon. I've seen the raws of the ending. My wife speaks Japanese, and she helped me. Though due to that I obviously didn't get every detail. Excellent show. Makes me cry that it never got licensed. Quote:
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Either way, if I understood Shinji and Asuka's situation properly, I think that both of them are still going to die in the end, because Spoiler:
Also, if the Instrumentality project were to succeed, what is Big Rei supposed to do after that? Pardon me if my ideas and questions seem stupid but I can't help thinkng. :eyebrow: |
I recall the Instrumentality ending (TV) and the MegaRei (Movie) being different possible endings. At least, that's how I like to view it. TV = Happy Ending, Movie = Continuation of the mode of the series (DEPRESSION)
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It's a lot like Dickens end of "Great Expectations" (sort of in reverse, though). The original ending of the novel was a bit depressing and the fans didn't like it, even though it was thematically necessary. So, Dickens wrote a "happy" ending that didn't really "fit" the novel but pleased fans. End of Eva reminds me a lot of that. It contains a lot of things that please fans but doesn't fit the themes of the show as well as the last couple TV eps, though this time the "happy" ending is the one fans don't like. Unfortunately, most Eva fanboys only pretend at actually thinking about the themes of the show and think it's about Angels and giant robots or something like that. Eva was only about giant robots fighting giant monsters for the first 10-13 episodes. After that, Anno went crazy or something and it really turned into a show about sick twisted characters being sick and twisted together (which actually worked in a weird way). I don't know how a visually confusing mess like End of Eva that contained a ton of giant robot fights and random violence is supposed to be a continuation of the the last few TV eps, except for containing disturbing imagery. Eps 25+26 really match the psycho-sci-fi soap opera the show became in later episodes. |
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Trying to clear up things again...:
Blah...this is annoying...im trying to justify somthing i havnt seen in...3 months now... |
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When she says "How disgusting" its not that she is refering to Shinji not having the guts to kill but that she can't believe how much she herself has changed. (Or something along those lines) |
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I encourage you to take that notion with a large pinch of salt, since I didn't trouble to read the interview for myself. |
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bakc to the earlier question about who killed Kaji...I think it could have been Gendo considering that Kaji knew some secrets about Adam that he didn't want to be revealed that soon. End of Eva is the best anime i've seen in years, depite the fact it's been out over ten years.
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