Koopalings vs Bowser Jr.
 

What the hell is up with Bowser and all his childeren?


I mean:
7 Koopalings (from Mario 3, Super Mario World and Mario & Luigi SSS)
Bowser JR.(from Mario Sunshine, Various Mario sports games and New Super Mario Bros)
Various Koopa Kids(From Mario Party)

Will we ever know the connection between all these kids?
Will we ever know how he got all these kids? Magic or does Koopa actually have game?
Will we ever see the Koopalings again?
Which do you prefer the Koopalings or Bowser Junior(or maybe a combination of all of them)?
Also who is your favorite Koopa child?

Post you thoughts!

I'm going to vote Bowser Jr. because I fucking hate you whiners. Koopalings were pretty shitty bosses anyway. Not that Bowser Jr. is much better but at least the main games he was in had Yoshi's Island-esque bosses. I wouldn't trade that in anyday for some lame battles with Bowser's cousins or children or whatever the fuck relation they were to him. The only good they did was make annoying sing-a-longs for the Super Mario World TV show. I mean I liked the Koopa Kids in Mario & Luigi Superstar Saga and for that game I think they might have been robots or something, I can't recall correctly, but anyway beyond that a big ol' MEH I COULD CARE LESS GET ON WITH YOUR LIVES PEOPLE.

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Oh and my favorite ones were the clones that got knocked off the mode-7 rotation shell into the lava WHERE THEY THEN GOT BOILED IN LAVA.

I agree with Acer, there's nothing special about the Koopalings. The love everyone seems to have for them is unwarranted in my opinion.

My first thought seeing Bowser JR: Where the fuck are the Koopalings? They were public enemy #1-7 back in the Nintendo glory days (especially Wendy and Roy in Mario 3...Lemmy sort of gave me problems until I found out I could jump on the circus balls). I mean, that's 7 easy Mario Kart/Mario Party/Smash Brothers/whatever characters at least, on top of being cool bosses. No reason not to have them back full time.

Oh shit, they were in SSS! Damn, I need to get working on that one...

Koopa Kids 4 Lyfe.

My favorite: Either Roy or Lemmy.

I like koopalings pron so I'm voting for them.

It's better now that they are all one person in Bowser Jr to keep it simpler. The fact that a lot of people don't like him makes him a good boss to beat as well. Bowser Jr is pretty much perfect.

Maybe the koopalings would fit well in a Sonic Team game.

The Koopalings and Bowser Jr. both present horribly boring boss battles, bring back Wart, Trannie Egg Face and everyone else from Mario 2, now those were bosses! :dopey_love:

I liked the Koopa Kids personas on the Mario cartoons. Kootie was stuck up. Hip & Hop were like twins and finished each others sentances. Bully was a bully. Kookie was an inventor. Cheatsie cheated people. Big mouth talked a lot - and fast.

The Mario 3 cartoon used nick names instead of the ones from Mario 3 though.

Whoever did the voice for Big Mouth (loool stupid cartoon renaming everyone) was a legend. I bet he got a lot of saliva all over the microphone, maybe even drowning the studio.

How can you people like Bowser Jr?

Anyway, the reason why the cartoon Koopalings had stupid names was because at that time, they never had names. Their names in SMB 3 actually were named by NOA, not NOJ. Of course, they could've chosen BETTER names for these guys for the cartoon, but oh well. Too late now!

Larry's the best, by the way.

http://www.wscarlet.nildram.co.uk/ma...koopalings.jpg

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There are only two decent Koopalings: Larry and Lugwig Von. The rest are just ugly, awkward looking creatures and shouldn't be worthy of any praise. Bowser Jr. is a masterpiece in comparison. End of story.

I'd also like to mention that New Super Mario Bros is ten times the game SMB3 is and craps on it from a great height in every way possible.

lol Bowser Jr.

I like how they got all lazy and just decided to use a Yoshi's Island character as the sidekick mascot for Bowser for the rest of their games. The Koopa Kids, while some might be ugly, did at least bring in some personality and character into a world where Mario and Wario and Luigi and Waluigi and Peach and Daisy and Toad and Toadette exists. Now instead of Bowser and seven unique Koopa Kids, we have Bowser and Bowser Jr. Bleh.

Also a hearty lol to NSMB being better than SMB3. They are about on par unfortunately, and only because of newer hardware allowing for more interactivity with Mario and his surroundings. I would give my soul for a "new" Super Mario Bros. 3 in a heartbeat.

LOL. I love how you say Nintendo got lazy, then you praise the use of Waluigi and Toadette, who are both minor spin-off characters at best. Bowser Jr. is more a part of the Mario universe than Waluigi and Toadette will ever be, he is a part of the main story, he has a purpose. He wasn't just added in for an extra unlockable character in Mario Kart.

I'm for Koopalings as well. First because of my own personal bias toward large organizations and gangs vs one or two villains/foils, but also Bowser Jr's such a snotnosed dink. "Wah, wah, Mario's a bad man, I want my mommy..." Please. Grow a wand and take over a kingdom, for God's sake.

On another note, did anyone notice that the Koopalings effectively made their father's name Morton Bowser? Also, screw the cartoon; the COMICS are where the Koopalings came alive.

Until there's an option for Kamek I'm not voting. Superior SMW character in all forms.

He's probably related to Bowser somehow though, since those kind appear to work under him.

I enjoy how everyone is baseing their love for the Koopalings/ Koopa Kids/ Koopa Cousins/ whatevers on comics and tv shows. That's all they were good for. Based on what they did with them for those mediums could they have done likewise for the games? They could have but they didn't. They're pathetic bosses in-game where it fucking counts and you people are all blind for not admitting it. While much like Boom Boom from Mario 3 Bowser Jr. has some interesting variety that you can predict based on how he is wearing his bandana. A subtlety that the Koopalings are lacking with their predictable boring behavior in both Mario 3 and Super Mario World. Give Bowser Jr. a wooden airship and the Koopalings are complete shit.

If Nintendo could take the Koopalings, make them and Bowser Jr. somehow fit together in a story (like having Bowser Jr. as the eighth Koopling as wiki seems to believe him to be), and have them actually be cool bosses like in M&L:SSS then I'd be fine but that hasn't happened in their platforming history.

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Elixir, Kamek is fucking awesome. That dude must be ageless because he's been there since Bowser was a Baby. He's the cause of all the fucking awesome bosses in Yoshi's Island. <3 Kamek so much.

I don't <3 Kamek when he turns blocks into badguys though. I always hit those things and die. :(

For a while Kamek was going to be in Mario Kart 64 but then they replaced him with either Donkey Kong or Wario (I can't recall which). He flies on a broom anyway.

The guy also carries with him probably all history of the Mushroom Kingdom too since he's Bowser's guardian. He's very interesting.

You don't seem to have understood Kostaki's post at all.
He just gives these as examples for the (recent) lack of originality in Nintendo character designer's heads.

And that's the exact reason for me voting for the Koopalings: They were just far more likeable and creative than Bowser Jr. Not to mention the nostalgic feelings I have everytime I think about fighting them as a child.

Will we ever know the connection between all these kids?
Given that Nintendo doesn't give a crap about the overall storyline in the Mario series - I bet 'no'.
Will we ever know how he got all these kids? Magic or does Koopa actually have game?
We could consult one of the strategy guides. "Mario Mania" has a SMB3 portion AFAIK and it even has an official interview with Myamoto-san. It would be the most reliable source.
Will we ever see the Koopalings again?
I'd so hope to see them return in Galaxy but it's just highly unlikely...
Also who is your favorite Koopa child?
My personal favourites are Lemmy (I could never beat him in SMW when I was a child) and Wendy O. Gotta love their design.

Good thing it was so much fun to chase Bowser Jr. with a water pistol while he was dressed up as a Mario clone. -_-"
More tolerance, please, Acer. To each his own. :)

I hate bowser jr. I hate how he is all the koopalings in one because I'd rather see a different boss than the same boss with a different move. True the koopalings are pretty boring bosses, but they could bring them back and reinvent their attacks. I want to see them in a 3d Mario, one that doesn't involve hats or squirt guns but instead has mushrooms, fire flowers, and kuribo's shoe... sigh

I really don't think that a boss has to be awesome for you to like them. I like the Koopalings because, like Prime Blue said, the Koopalings are loads more creative than Bowser Jr, who just looks like a Bowser reject, just like how Wario and Waluigi look like Mario and Luigi rejects. At least the last two look somewhat different, though. Bowser Jr. just looks stupid, and unlike Bowser, he's not cool at all. Alas.

P.S. I played and won NSMB and the boss battles with Bowser Jr. aren't very much different from the Koopaling battles. In fact, all the battles with him are just variations of the same battle on world 1. The whole tilting log over lava thing is similar to the Koopaling battles from SMW.

P.S. SMW > NSMB > SMB3

You can merge the cartoon names and call them this:

Larry "Cheatsie" Koopa
Morton "Big Mouth" Koopa Jr.
Wendy "Kootie Pie" O Koopa
Ludwig "Kookie" Von Koopa
Roy "Bully" Koopa
Iggy "Hip" Koopa
Lemmy "Hop" Koopa

Jesus christ, what is wrong with you people.

Bowser Jr. is godawful DULL, the koopakids were great. Who cares if they weren't the most challenging boss fights ever, they were STILL better than Bowser Jr.

Baby Bowser was funny because, well, he's baby Bowser against baby Mario. Bowser Jr. just makes absolutely no sense at all and being virtually identical to Baby Bowser, is just horribly dull character design.

The reason why Baby & Jr. exist is because they wanted to add more characters to be able to pick from in games like Mario Kart Double Dash, Mario Golf Toadstool Tour, Mario Tennis Power Tour, etc.

They could not simply add one Koopa kid and leave all the rest out. I do hate how we don't see the koopa kids anymore but you have to figure thats why Jr and baby exist.

So why couldn't they just create original characters instead of copies of existing ones? Heck, even their names are similiar. I mean, we have Bowser Jr. Wario, Waluigi, Toadette...blah. Nintendo needs some more creativity.

AcerBandit has a point on how the removal of the Koopalings gave way to more variations to bosses. And from a practical standpoint of view, I agree with AcerBandit's point.

However I still wish the Koopalings still made their way back to the Mario realm for the future where as they appear as sub bosses or something. Or maybe Nintendo may do something more innovative with them since they seem to be hip with inoovation lately.

I voted Koopalings as I rather enjoyed the varation and background of each koopaling.

Mainly nostalgia led me to vote for the original koopalings. Bowser Jr.'s cool and all, but he does grate on my nerves a bit.

Easy vote for the Koopalings. Bowser Jr. is just uninspired and generic in every way. Waluigi is the same.

What's with this "Koopalings vs. Bowser Jr." crap? Can't you guys just accept that they're ALL his kids? It's just that Bowser does indeed play favorites, and his favorite is Bowser Junior. That's all there is to it. As for the Koopa Kids in the Mario Party games, I believe they're just a bunch of regular koopa children that idolize Bowser and make themselves look like him. I mean, really, it's far simpler than you guys are making it seem.

I personally believe the Koopalings will return canonically.

All I know is that Bowser must have got really busy ... if you know what I mean.

I just realized...maybe Bowser is a piss poor father, so his wife left him and took all seven koopalings with her. That would explain a lot.

Maybe Bowser Jr. was the only one to go with the mom over the 80's and 90's then in the 00's when he was introduced to being a char in the video games, apparently the mom didn't want him anymore and gave him to Bowser.

Koopalings and Bowser Jr. are about on par as a whole... annoying sub bosses with their own personalities.

But Ludwig von Koopa is cooler than all the rest of them combined, so my vote went to the Koopalings. Ludwig is more competent than Eggman, I'd bet.

Ever wonder what peach does every time she gets "kidnapped"?

Mario never had a clue.

Yes... she sits in a cage and waits for Mario.

But wait, maybe she gets bored and sometimes brings along a PSP! OH GOD MARIO NEVER HAD A CLUE!!!!

Really, I'm not all that partial to Bowser Jr. either. However my point is that they've done more with him and better than the Koopalings. Both the Koopalings and Bowser Jr. have a lot of potential that isn't being used. I just don't understand the hatred of having 1 slightly better but not-so-great boss plus a bunch of cool bosses versus a bunch of lame-ass bosses that have this spike of nostalgia factor because of Mario 3.

Really, if you guys played Mario 3 for boss battles then you need to get out right now. Mario 3 was known for its levels, enemies, and music. It was a damn great game in those respects but when it came to bosses it sucked ass and although I'm sure the Koopalings had that cool factor b/c the 80's punkrock look or whatever it didn't make up for the fact that it was the same shit over and over. I'd say Boom Boom had more variety than those clowns and that's how Bowser Jr. is in New Super Mario Bros. Likewise Big Boo, the Reznors, and Clown Copter Bowser were the only interesting bosses in Super Mario World.

Do I dislike the Koopalings? I dislike their lame-excuse boss battles but I understand that they could be cool if given a chance. Do I think Bowser Jr. is the coolest boss ever? No. He needs some work even though his fight along side Bowser at the end was really cool. He might be lame in your eyes be it you think he's a rip-off of Baby Bowser (he is older than Baby Bowser you do realize this, right?) or that his motivations seem a bit juvenile. He's a kid. A kid who tries to give Mario a run for his money and actually has a tiny bit of backstory and motivation however crappy you think them. That's more than the Koopalings have.

So that's why I vote Bowser Jr. Not because I adore his character, but because I like him as a boss much more and in the Mario games these bunch of bosses have appeared in that's what matters most.

That being said, I really think Nintendo could have a lot of fun if they brought back the Koopalings as if they had come back from doing their thing in life and have Bowser Jr. get jealous or something since he isn't getting the attention he's been getting for these past few years, have him mastermind some sort of project or some crap. I dunno but you could easily wrap a story around the bunch. The real trick will to give them all good character and have them all be great bosses. And of course all this in addition to great Yoshi's Island-esque original creature bosses.

However, story has its prices and we know that wasn't a very sunny spot in Super Mario Sunshine. Then again the Mario RPGs have proven quite differently so you never know. It could work.

Bowser Jr. was a better boss in the games, yeah. I just like the Koopalings from the cartoons anyway.

There is also a relationship with Koopalings and Bowser. Not sure what it is, (father/children or uncle/nephews-nieces, etc.), but there is one. Bowser Jr. seemed to be introduced in lieu of Baby Mario/Luigi. And he wasn't always treated the same. In Mario & Luigi, he WAS Bowser but from the past. In New Super Mario Bros., a son or something. In Mario Party, they're like servants or something. :/

I still think it'd be cool to bring back the Koopalings in a game for nostalgic effect.

The Koopa Kids are better than Bowser Jr. if for no other reason than they add variety to the game. I don't want some generic boss repainted different colors. And I must say, I am really shocked people opted for Bower Jr. He's just another Waluige/Todette rip-off of a character.

I'm surprised that anyone else remembers the Super Mario Bros. 3 cartoon. I'm very afraid to watch the DVD's of that show...seeing it as an adult and realizing how horrible it was would probably destroy a lot of my childhood memories. Didn't they make up random names for the Koopalings, instead of using their actual names?

I don't find the Koopalings to be very inspiring villains, at least not in boss battles, but at least they had some variety in character design in Super Mario Bros 3 and Super Mario World, and Super Mario World had...was it three completely different types of Koopaling boss battle? The only game with Bowser Jr. that I've played for more than an hour or so is New Super Mario Brothers, and I personally thought that fighting the same block of polygons, with only minor changes in attack patterns, got pretty boring around the third tower...that game had different bosses in the castles, but Bowser Jr. stayed almost the same for the whole game.

I really agree with AcerBandit's thoughts...neither group of enemies is very good. I honestly don't expect a great deal of plot development in a platformer, but it would be nice if Nintendo could at least include a bit more variety and originality, either with Bowser Jr. or the Koopalings.

I voted for Bowser Jr. because he seems to have a bit more personality and uniqueness attached to him. I haven't seen the cartoon, comics, or whatever other forms of media the Koopalings were in, but Bowser Jr. seems to have a mischievous side distinct from that of the Koopalings.

Bowser Jr. takes on the identity of spoiled brat/son. He has done whatever he wanted to out of his own volition (although in Sunshine he was misinformed). The Koopalings were treated more like minions that Bowser put in Mario's way rather than relatives. They haven't even said anything in the past several years (I guess you could count the two text boxes each of them has said in Mario is Missing, one for Mario entering a new floor and one for beating said floor).

As for the family tree, I'm not going to strain my brain on how it works. Nintendo isn't going to elaborate on it anytime soon.

... but that's exactly what THEY ARE.

You do realize that Baby Bowser is... Bowser as a baby, and that Bowser Jr. is his son, right? How the hell is he older than his father? You make no sense at all dude. Where did you get this information in the first place?

Nostalgia for the win. And because of that the 7 old-skool guys.

From wikipedia

I don't think you understood what I meant. Baby Bowser is a toddler in his game. Bowser Jr. in his games is probably like 10 or something. When comparing the two characters take into account their apparant age. I wasn't comparing Bowser Jr. in age to full-grown Bowser. That would make no sense.

Koopa Kids.


There's a Spanish Proverb: "Don't speak unless you can improve upon the silence."

I understand what you're saying, Acer. You voted for Bowser Jr. for the gameplay associated with him. Myself and the other Koopa Kid'ders voted against him for his personality.

To me, Bowser Jr. is just a generically whiny, bratty kid. Along with Waluigi, he's just a stereotype. The Koopa Kids may have not said much (or anything) in the games, where it most counts, but I certainly see that as better than the recent attempts at establishing Bowser Jr's personality.

Personally, I kind of liked Booster as the alternative "Peach kidnapper" in Mario RPG. He was funny, in a crazy sort of way. But then again, I think I just appreciate Mario RPG for the fact that it had a decent (if not more than decent) plot development.


Will we ever know how he got all these kids? Magic or does Koopa actually have game?
If I recall correctly, there was a "Mama Bowser" in Mario's Time Machine. She was in the library, and for some reason, she was nice to Mario.

Please don't tell me you're actually regarding that game as canon.

Hell no. Just thought I'd throw it out there.