Teaching the future scum of the world to encourage suicide
 

Wonderful. So we have a collection of truly shining members of society egging this girl on to kill herself in front of a live webcam. What the fuck is this? HOW do these people become so contemptible? Is the lure of acting without impunity so strong that kids without such restraint gleefully encourage and look forward to suicide?

http://stickam.com/profile/suicide - the hundreds of comments on her three posted photos
http://www.suichancountdown.com/ - related

Is this a fault of the internet? Parenting? What causes such indifference to humanity? Insert your requisite emo jokes; I know the girl fits the stereotype, but honestly I don't think that's relevant.


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I received a truly random PM from some kid last night. Quite admirable:

So what the hell. Would you say this shit is reflective of society's youth's mentality as a whole? What kind of people are these kids going to be when they become adults, after their brains have been turned into slop from the internet? Does this dishearten you or are you indifferent to it?

Pffth. I think its fucking great. Who are you kidding.

If an emo fuck wants to kill herself, let her. EGG HER ON. At least someone encouraged others to follow through on things. Life isn't about not getting what you want and then threatening to kill yourself. Thats juvenile. I wouldn't take her seriously. I would do exactly what these people did, really. Except probably with a little less STUPID.

People don't like to have others toy with their emotions. I applaud those who encouraged her to commit suicide. I think if shes stupid enough to listen to them, it makes one less retarded body sucking up fresh air with which the rest of us can function healthily on.

Seriously. You can't seriously defend the girl, can you. Playing on the emotions of others is sociopathic.

EDIT: O WAIT.
YEA. FUCKING RETARDED. I hope she gets NO publicity for this. Too bad I am contributing.

I'm 16, and the amount of teens like me who are fucking dumb amazes me. I've never been peer pressured into doing stupid things, I've never done drugs and stolen something or anything else. Yet, I know so many people who "brag" about doing pot at a party, like it's something fucking special and awesome. I don't think that it has a whole lot to do with the internet. Sure, it gives teens a chance to act like morons while basking in its' anonymity, which obviously might influence them somewhat, but I think it's more the media that sends too many negative messages. People like me who can watch a movie with violence and say, "Wow, that was interesting," but not want to go out and get in a gang fight or ride on top of a car deserve respect. It's the kids who idolize idiots like Sean Paul whose message is, "do marijuana" (like in the song "We Be Burning" or whatever it's called.) In any case, that girl in the stickham site is clearly seeking attention. She actually says, "I will be the first person to commit suicide over stickam!" That's simply ridiculous. It's definitely not something to be proud about.

In any case, 5 more days!

Wow, this is a great way of driving visitors to (insert random MySpace-like Web 2.0 site here).

Sorry, I need to go take pictures of my sister and advertise my site with an anouncement of a live suicide now.

Stickam? Another Myspace?
I hope she gets her 15 seconds of fame becuase I think she'll back down at the last minute. All she wants to see are the comments people will leave becuase lets face it, she wants the attention.

I thought this was just some /b/ joke. Even if it's not, I really don't care. It's not like she'd have the determination and courage to go through with hara-kiri.

And:
I'm curious as to how this thread invoked this response from you.

I've never heard of this Stickam. Maybe its a publicity stunt for THEM and this poor girl is in it as such?

Curious.

I'm more focused on the general mentality of the drones who are encouraging her, not necessarily this single act. Those kids have that mentality, which are displayed in this stupid drama skit, and most likely displayed in plenty of other places as well.

Whether or not she's trying to get attention, you can't defend encouraging suicide. That is sociopathic. Trying to get attention is borderline behavior.

Because of Cellius' last paragraph. And I enjoy speaking my mind.

I suspect this is a joke, simply because I remember once on a forum I frequented everyone would make fun of this one goth guy on a journal site, and it turned out to be a joke.

Sure I can.

If you want to die, why would you announce it to the world. Obviously, you don't want to die. You're just feeding off of the fools who tell you that you're worth living for.

It's the ultimate manipulation. Those who manipulate others in such a way DESERVE harsh criticism and/or encouragement. Action-reaction.

Did you read her poetry? Jesus, I feel bad for going after icyblackflame now. She's fucking ee Cummings compared to this cunt.

Except I'm sure these fuckers who are encouraging her don't possess the mental capacity to understand that at all, and want her to do it for purely other reasons, which is where my question about these kids' mentalities comes in.

If life sucked bad enough to commit suicide, you wouldn't do a countdown and have some drama whore-show. Why the fuck is she adding a timer? Does she want to see another episode of her favorite show or something? I mean shit people. She's not going to go through with it. I doubt she'll even elaborately stage it. Brats like this have been roaming the internet since its conception. The people commenting are toying around with her because they know she's full of it.

If you think this is bad, you would've loathed about 90% of GFF during some thread over a year back. It consisted of some bolemic/anorexic journal board on livejournal :'D 85lb, 5'5". IM SO FAT~ That thread was comedy gold :3 Little disturbing on the pictures though... :(

I had to laugh at the one guy who was like "omgdon'tdoitletschatsometime."

People like her are just clogging up our internet with shitty livejournal poetry and wasting our air, like Sass said. She's doing us all a great service by offing herself, if she's not bluffing. One less whiny emo bitch in the world.

I have plans Saturday, so someone save the video plz...

Well, don't worry.

I know it looks bad, but I'm willing to go all in when I say this is a small percentage of the population you single out. Sure, it's despicable and, really wrong. So is this chick, whether or not it's a joke doesn't really matter. Either way, they're all idiots. Still, they're the minority.

I can't prove it, no. I only have my experience, which dictates the majority of people are, in fact, good at heart. Maybe I'm just an optimost though (or a dumbass).

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To pre-empt any flames I might get, these are the kids I'm talking about. I'm not even going to get into how stupid people waste air that's rightfully mine.

That's exactly what I've been trying to get across here. Why would anyone choose a totally unknown host for anouncing a "big thing" such as a live Hara-Kiri style suicide? All the cool kids do this on MySpace.

I'm disheartened a bit, but I won't waste my time if they're having way too much fun acting like fools.

This simply is another case of: Different kicks for different pricks.

Because this site has live streaming video.

Keep in mind this could easily be an elaborate trolling attempt. Think Eon8 but more in your face.

But honestly if someone wants to kill themselves, I'm not going to try to stop them unless they are close to me and I don't want to see them dead. To be honest I have never been against suicide; I think it's a valid solution to existence and it's up to the person performing it to decide whether or not they want to live because it's their consciousness they are terminating (assuming there is no life after death).

Has anyone committed suicide on cam before? You'd think it would have already been done.

On camera, Christine Chubbuck did in the 70s.

I mean on the internets. With thousands of poeple watching.

I remember seeing Budd Dwyer blow his brains out while watching Faces of Death. Fucked up shit there.

The URL for that chick seems to have been taken down.

So first we have the hordes of 4chan users harrassing girls to strip and fuck themselves on stickam. Now we have retarded attention whores killing themselves on stickam.

How much you wanna bet half of those people egging her on are just from 4chan or other image boards like it? ;(

The kids are probably thinking the same thing I am, except in a little more violent and angry way.

I think the general disdain for the entire notion is more what you should focus on. Yea, a lot of the people are jackasses in what they're telling her. But frankly, I'd be more disappointed if they all responded with "O NOES DONT DO IT, HARI-CHAN! You're WORTH IT!"

Why hara-kiri? Does she think she's even worthy of the ritual? Yes, it's suppose to be done by disgraced warriors, but seriously she's not worthy of the ritual.

Frankly, I'm sick and tired of all the "I am teh luuzer! Noone lieks me! d00d, I will comit inernet suicide, taht will show those lozserz!" Lots of people feel like killing themselves, but wanting to go all-out over the internet instead of just a single shot to the head is just being an attention-whore. Nothing wrong with telling a few people in your journal in order to vent, but trying to make it into some huge fiasco is pathetic.

What she is doing is trying to worry people and get fake attention with the whole "I'm not worthy enough to be more than a lazy attention-whore, but I am worthy enough to die a dishonorable hero's death." All she's doing is scaring innocent people who have caring natures, distracting people from work or school by controling their interest, and making herself look more insane to where when she lives she might have less of a chance at a good job/life b/c people will think she's psycho.

If you want attention: get good grades, break school records, or solve world hunger. That way, you can enjoy the fame and fortune longer without the worry of dead Japanese warriors kicking your butt in Hell.

IMO it wasn't that disturbing. It was merely a fine mist coming from the top of his head. Not really his "brains being blown out".

I think its the aftermath of that suicide that really disturbs me.

You know, he was alive for 1.5 minutes after the bullet went through his head. I think thats the part that terrifies me most. Or maybe the fact that he did it in front of all those people on live TV. You watch a man take his own life. Its a really bizarre thing in the abstract, but the video itself isn't too disturbing, no. Its when you start thinking about it, I find, that you start to scare.

Also, fuck all that blood comes out of his skull like a fucking faucet. ;_;

<Ripper> I told u I wuz hardcore

It's teen angst, get over it.

Edit: lolz oshit

Looks like her page got PIZZOWNED in any case.

Everyone goes through teen angst, different people handle it different ways. I remember when I went through it, I thought I was depressed and miserable. I kept beating myself up for being miserable because I'm just a upper-middle class teen and have nothing to be miserable about. I wrote angsty stuff, denying my angst among other things.

Now I look back at those things I wrote and go "HAHAHAH WTF."

I don't know; personally, I don't remember ever feeling angsty throughout my teen years. Sure, I got in fights with my parents, but that's to be expected. I do remember being pretty fucking crazy in high school - a comibation of several years of sleep depervation and being surround by all that bull shit angst started to tweek me. Didn't realize till I hit college and was able to relax...

But yeah, these attention-whoring kids need to realize they're not special and just get over the fact that life sucks. Deal.

Dang, the member doesn't exist anymore on that original site lol.

Yeah, sounds to me like attention whore just wants to be seen. A real suicidal person would just put a gun to their head and blow their brains out. I know I shouldn't be saying this stuff, cause sometimes suicidal people do try to get attention to get talked out of it, and if they don't see much positive stuff, they usually go through with it.

But personally, unless they're living in a third world country, and under constant threat from civil war, starvation, disease, rape, and other things like that, they really don't have much to gripe about.

"Oh, woe is me, my life sucks and has no meaning!" Well, then stop moping about yourself, and go help people ala charity, food shelter, etc (you'd be surprised how many rich people have this mentality, which is why they do all sorts of crap like drugs to try to find meaning in their lives).

While I'm not encouraging anyone to commit suicide, at the same time, if you think you have it bad, then you should look around, and there are many others who have it much worse than anyone living in a first world country.

Hell, my mom had to escape to Thailand from Laos after the Vietnam War, and she told me stories of how she watched as many desperate Hmong crossed the Mekong river without a boat (she was lucky enough to get on one), and many of them not making it. Or about the danger of getting caught by communists (who no doubt would've wanted to kill anyone who helped the US).

Because of stuff like that, I can never complain about anything in my life, cause I never had to suffer the way she did, and although I get tired of her nagging at times, I can see that she wants me to have a better life than she had.

Seriously folks, if you ever see anyone moaning about how much their life sucks, just tell them to look at other parts of the world. Their problems I'll bet are nothing compared to what those people have to suffer through, and I doubt any of them are helping to help ease those people's suffering. I just get tired of hearing about it (and yes, I went through one of those "teen angst" moments myself, and even contemplated suicide at one point, until I started hearing how bad others had it, and began to count my blessings instead).

I don't remember seeing that. Is there a link?

I actually have some sympathy for this girl, even if this is a pure attention grab. If she's so socially and emotionally damaged and clingy that she thinks she needs to fake her own death to receive any sort of love or attention...maybe I'm just being naive, but that seems to be almost as bad of a mental state to be trapped in as crippling depression.

I do worry about these kinds of stunts, though, because they make people cynical, so that they assume that people who actually suffer from depression, who are actually on the brink of suicide, are just attention whores. Between the nasty assumptions that everyone seems to draw (even I'm guilty of this to some degree) about depression, and the fact that our culture doesn't even seem to consider mental disorders as diseases, it's amazing that anyone seeks help for any kind of problem that they have. I've suffered from bipolar disorder for years, and I've come very close to suicide before...if my friends, family, doctors, etc. had told me to get over it, or attributed all of my problems to angst, I probably wouldn't be here right now.

Sorry if that second paragraph didn't make much sense...I spent a lot of time fiddling with this post (this topic IS rather close to my heart, after all), and this is about as good as I could get it.

I understand where you're coming from. However, most of my friends that were serious about suicide went on-line and ranted in their journals about how they were going to slit their wrist b/c life sucked. This situation seemed little different b/c it was basically a shout-out on the internet and she was claiming to webcam live in some ceremonial style used by disgraced Japanese warriors. A simple cry for help would've done, she didn't need to turn it into a circus.

Actually, there are a lot of problems--such as despression, anxiety, etc.--that are listed as mental disorders. A lot of symptoms that were listed as normal or lifestyle choices decades ago are starting to be considered disorders/diseases: low sex drive in older people, obesity, insomnia, etc. The government is starting to consider homosexuality as a kind of mental disorder, which I disagree with, but you try making any sense out of government these days.

Aztecs found it dishonorable? Hmmm...I guess I can see why since they needed hearts from living victims for sacrifice. I was thinking about Roman and other cultures that found suicide to be an honorable act of courage. Which that form of suicide wasn't really honorable, but it was mostly saved for the warriors who were honored but did something to become dishonored. Unless I was taught the wrong meaning of the suicide.

Did she do it yet? Or she just announce that she will? I don't get what this hype is for. It's her business what she does, I couldn't care less what happens. But this makes for good discussion.

Why are youth so screwed up these days? I blame it on parenting. We shelter/over-protect our kids way too much. I mean back in the day, they used rulers and leather belts to teach lessons. Now parents are told to not even shout at their kids, that there are much more 'civilized' ways to deal with problems. I've seen kids shout at their parents leaving the adults powerless, this gives the kids a kind of immunity to others. The same goes for kids at school, where if a teacher does anything serious to punish a child, sometimes as little as detention, parents will go against it and file a complaint. The detention is off because the parents say so. The kids now learn that they can shout, insult, make fun of other people without punishment. Seriously, egging someone to the point where they want to commit suicide? I'm not encouraging using leather belts to make sure kids behaving, but there's a line you have to draw as a parent to what is punishable and what a good punishment should be. Letting your kids get out of line to grow up into destructive teenagers isn't right. Also leaving your kids completely alone, neglecting them turns them into angsty emo myspace whores. So I mean, parenting IS HARD but it's something we have to learn how to fix.

Also the rise of internet communication has messed with youth culture alot. My generation isn't help as we set the example for youth at the moment. All these bands are getting their own myspace, publishing on youtube. All these internet communities. There was a discussion a while back about the impact of internet/technology on today's society which has alot to do with this subject. When I was a kid, there was dailup which I didn't even have. None of this bullshit. No kids dying due to a MMO or posting their suicide attempts on myspace. So really, are the kids fully to blame? It's sad to think that someone would commit suicide, yes even that isn't acceptable. But to commit suicide because her life sucks so badly due to her peers and that she wants attention so she'll post it live on video stream? What has society become?

From what I understand, this is merely a 4chan prank.

Nothing to see here.

What, to the ENTIRE video? You saw a shortened version?

Just do a search, man. I found it by searching. It starts with him standing up, handing out envelopes to the press and his family. When he pulls a gun out of one of the envelopes, everyone in the room flips out and tells him not to do it.

He does it. And everyone PANICS. And then the camera guy just focuses on Budd lying there, blood gushing out of his head. Eventually he slumps over.

The autopsy, I think it was, revealed he was alive up to a full two minutes after his death, I believe.

Its just really frightening - one minute, he's there, talking - the next minute, he's down on the floor, gushing blood, dying from something he intentionally did to himself.

Well I saw the part when he shot himself in the mouth, and there was that fine mist of blood that erupted before he quickly dropped to the floor.

Maybe blood gushed afterward but I certainly wouldn't describe it at as his brains being blown out, ie his brains flying all over the place after shooting himself.

I remember that gif I saw on 4chan/gif/ of the guy who shot himself in the head and it was similarly not that gorey initially. He shoots himself and blood starts to pour out, but again there's no massive splattering of brains and skull like some people make it seem like there would be. Like one shot to the head turns your whole head into mush or whatever.

Although I imagine based on the weapon and where and how you got shot and at what range that CAN happen.

Over the internet you can't really tell if someone is totaly serious about commiting suicide. With all the pranks and people just wanting attention, you don't know who's going to do it and who's just going 'look at me! I'm going to blow my brains out! NOT!'

It gets annoying after awhile. If you want to kill yourself, kill yourself. If you don't want to kill yourself, don't kill yourself...it's as simple as that. But a bunch of kids would rather make a big deal and pull live suicides (real or fake) or back out at the last minute just because they wanted the attention. But this, this is just stupid. If it was real, did her parents even know about it? I mean they should have.

Regardless if she was just an attention whore, serious and she was banned, or all this was just a prank. I would wager to think this will end up on snopes.com after the projected "death date".

the site was taken down, she probably backed out.

@Eleo: Oh god... it wasn't disturbing but it definately was graphic. Let's just say it's something I wouldn't want to see while I'm eating my cereal.

Most disturbing thing related to that I've seen is the Kennedy footage.

You know if she kills herself, she'll just become a meme. There will be animated gifs of her death and parodies everywhere. It's probably an easy way to immortalize (lol) yourself.

I think the people who think this is great... you're a bunch of fuck heads. People who would have or did encourage this girl to commit suicide, are either without feelings, or without sufficient life experience.

Maybe some of us enjoy some "herbal remedy" every now and again and object to people condemning us for it?

But it was blatently obvious this was just a /b/ prank the entire time.

...or want power. Knowing you control whether someone lives or dies by a few strokes with a mouse and keyboard has got to give someone, somewhere a big stiffy.







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