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Pluto may lose its "planetary" status
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4789531.stm
Some interesting stuff here if you're into astronomy. Apparently Pluto may not be known as the 9th planet in our solar system much longer. Some experts are arguing that Pluto should either be "demoted" from planet, or else they have to add like 20 more bodies out there that are at least as large as Pluto, if not larger ("Class, how many planets do we have in our solar system? And if you say 9, you're wrong!"). Personally, I would rather have it stay, simply cause it's been called one for so long now, and I'm sure a lot of people would feel the same way. But I can understand if they decide to say Pluto is no longer a planet (cause of its weird orbit, and why it's not a gas giant when the other planets in the outer solar system are, etc.). What's your thoughts/opinions on this? |
I'll agree with you Gecko. We're all already used to having this planet in our system. Getting rid of it now would be like adding a 51st state to the US.
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Puerto Rico is totally the 51st state.
8 planets ftw! |
I'd not give if not for the fact that that two of my faveroute Chraracters of ever have namesakes in Pluto.
Namely Setsuna (Sailor Pluto) and Pluto of Astroboy fame. |
Isn't it Neptune that has an irregular orbit?
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Well, aren't we trying to broaden our knowledge of outer space? We are spending bamajillions of dollars sending crap out there so why not add 20 more planets to the list. Is it suppose to be like some secret only "space smart people" should know about? I'd sure like to know what other kind of planets are in our solar system. Who cares if the orbit is weird. It's like people are discriminating against planets now. "Oh, it has a strange orbit so it's technically not part of us..." Bastards!!
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I dont think it's the orbit that makes some want to demote Pluto. It's the fact that it's size isn't as big as what we would normally call a planet. There are many objects beyond pluto that are about the same size or larger. Some even have thier own moons like Pluto. If.. you can even consider Pluto's moon a moon. (Isn't it the same size as Pluto or close enough or something?)
So if you call such a small rock a planet then you have to call every other rock that size a planet as well. Which would increase our solar system alot. Also, how far do you go out? To the point that our sun can't hold onto something? If that's the case our solar system is going to get much, much larger. Personally, I dont really care if they no longer consider it a planet. I also do not care if they decide to just add the rest of the large objects out there to the list of planets. As we explorer further out and advance we're going to only encounter more and more. Sooner or later we're going to discover things that change our outlook on our little part of the galaxy. It's happened in the past and it's only going to happen again. |
If they decide to keep Pluto, then they should include the other Kuiper belt objects that are larger or the same size as Pluto, effectively giving us many planets.
As it stands, since Pluto is more a part of the Kuiper belt, then it should be demoted from a planet. The Kuiper belt houses many icy rocks, almost like the Asteroid belt, but we don't include those as planets. |
I've always wondered about our right to name something that's out of our solar system a name that's of Earth origin. I mean, how geocentric is that??? I'm sure there's a civilization out there that's far more entitled to name it something of their own design than us.
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As for whether or not it should still be considered a planet, I think they should leave well enough alone. Its almost like astronomers are getting bored, and they need some big thing to spice up theyre bad career choice. |
At least people won't point out the omission when listening to Holst anymore.
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In summation of a Discover Magazine Article:
There are 9 PLanets and a Double PLanetoid: Mercury Venus Earth . . . . . Pluto/Charon Zena The Warrior Princess |
But Pluto-is- a planet. That's the new home of the Heaven's Gate cult, a safe haven from the Luciferians. :)
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But it has to be a planet, my mommy told me so. :(
In all honesty though, I really couldn't care less. Pluto has been a planet for 70 some years and I don't really see what all the fuss is about. I personally think that we should take all of the money for that little gathering of theirs and spend it on something useful, like me for example. |
The big debate has come up because Voyager spotted a big rock that was larger than Pluto. There are also seven moons that are larger than Pluto--Ganamyde, Titan, Callisto, our moon, Io, Europa, and Triton--and those first two are even bigger than Mercury.
Asteroids were originaly thought to be planets as well. After the first four were found, astronomers thought of them as planets because there was no way to find out how big they were. The fifth asteroid to be discovered was just a year before Neptune was, and then more and more asteroids were being found. Quote:
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this is perfect! Now there will have to be a magic school bus in space 2 to correct the out dated facts of the greatest educational pc game ever!
anyways if Pluto does get stripped of its title i'll still call it a planet but the subject hardly ever comes up so I don't really care. Oh and there are 10 planets , what about planet X.... jeez guys... |
This debate on whether Pluto is a planet or isn't has been going on almost since it was found. "Is it big enough?" That's the main question. To me, it doesn't matter that we have twenty-some-odd objects just as big or bigger (including Xena and Sedna). Pluto has been a planet. It should remain a planet. Changing its title confuses people. Besides, we don't have to add planets to the solar system if we just say the solar system cuts off at Pluto.
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Wern't they talking about doing this a few years back? Personaly I think it's stupid to drop Pluto as a planet. I mean just because of it's orbit paterns doesn't make it any less a planet...or atleast I think so.
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No, but I think it's a better decision. And besides, the only reason this would make things more "scientifically accurate" is by making their devised scale match that of the objects in the solar system. Something tells me that it would be easier just for them to change their scale.
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These damn popularity contests are everywhere now. I blame both Disney and Hollywood. Pluto the dog faded into obscurity with a lack of anything and there are no big budget box office smash violence movies set on Pluto. Everyone goes to fucking Mars or the Sun.
"GONNA GO KICK SOME ALIEN ASS ON THE SUN BOOOOYS, LET'S GOOOO!" *End of movie* Rename Pluto to Pokemon or Pepsi or something. It'll become bigger than Earth, we'll all leave in the hope of being cool and living on the planet for about two and a half seconds. |
You react like the decision has something to do with emotional attachment. "Planet" is a technical classification, either an object is one or it is not and unfortunately believing something does not make it so.
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I would imagine that this sort of thing is a matter of convincing the rest of the scientific community, so any sort of change would probably have to fall under the same scrutiny.
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The latest news is that a group of scientists is gathering to discuss the admission of 12 new objects into the solar system, smaller than Pluto. They have for the moment dubbed these "Plutons".
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Mercury
Venus Earth Mars Ceres Jupiter Saturn Uranus Neptune Pluto Charon Xena, Warrior Princess. Whoever can come up with the cleverest mnemonic for that wins a trophy. (Note: Ceres, Charon and Xena are the three the International Astronomical Union want to add now. They may add yet more by the time all is said and done.) |
Yep, it's on the front page of my local paper. Three objects: Ceres, Charon, and 2003UB313 are the front runners to become planets of the solar system.
And then there are a dozen more candidates ranging from asteroids to Kuiper Belt Objects which could bump it up to a total of 24. At least we managed to get a clearer definition of "planet" now. It has been, what, centuries before we agreed on a good definition? |
2003UB313 should definitely get a new name... "Anvil" perhaps >_>.
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Popular belief is that it will be called Persephone.
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What a fucking tard. I hope Pluto does lose it's planetary status. I mean, the sooner we get rid of it, the sooner we'll be able to fix everything we've taught everyone all throughout gradeschool... I mean, everything we taught the kids that cared about it. |
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Besides, Ceres has been Ceres for over two hundred years; giving it a new name now would just be silly. Quote:
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I just wonder why the scientific community doesn't just adopt the Star Trek methodology of planetary classification. It's already pretty much complete, after all, so very little work would need to be done other than baggin' and taggin'.
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It doesn't because the Star Trek classification of planets is really arbitrary when it comes to assigning things; just pick a letter and go. Scientists like things a little more precise than that.
It would also be really lame. |
I was actually reading an article that was suggesting a categorization system similar in style to the ones they use for stars. With the colors/size scheme (you know, red giant, white dwarf, etc.).
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I heard a guy on NPR today say something interesting, that counting planets is really the least interesting question in the whole debate. That there is a lot of interesting shit up there that we should study no matter what way we want to classify it.
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Wanting to downgrade Pluto but in the meantime upgrade (what is now) 3 smaller worlds into planets just doesn't make any logic to me...
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I think my favourite part in the article I read was how they were calling one planet Xena and its moon Gabrielle. I mean, someone in that room has to realise how horribly geeky it sounds. Surely there are more appealing names instead ones from horrible 90s television.
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I actually couldnt care less if they added the two further ones, UB313 and Charon to the system. But that one in between Mars and Jupiter? Ceres? That's retarded.
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But wait, isn't Charon a moon?
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Yes, Charon is a moon of pluto, but now with these new proposed definition of what makes a planet, Charon would be given planetary status. Wikipedia has a nice article about it if you want to look it up.
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Also, it's Cupid who is the symbol of Valentine's Day, not Venus. Venus was actually an important goddess; besides being one of the 12 Olympians in Greek tradition, the Aeneid makes her as the ancestor of the Roman people. Which says something of the political situation, as Venus was also the ancestor of gens Julia. |
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Many Romans claimed to descend from Venus, not just Caesar. It was attributed to descendants of Aeneas. |
Pluto is nevertheless popular, so I wouldn't want it to be disregarded either. It's also one of those mysterious planets that I have tried to research through books countless times. I'm really interested in that planet.
I wonder how many more planets are out there the size of Neptune. Warp speed ahead! |
Pluto is definitely not going to lose its planetary status. It's moon Charon is even going to gain planetary status.
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Very Esoteric Mother Can Jump & Skip Until Night Pretends to Calm Xtraneously. No sense whatsoever, but I can't come up with anything that starts with X. |
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It's sort of ridiculous that they teach this stuff as cold hard fact to kids when the smartest solar system guys in the world are on the fence about this kind of thing. But I guess education is evolutionary as long as humans continue to be dumbasses.
I'm going to miss Pluto though. |
How bout
Neurotic Pianists Crack Xylophones??? |
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Why? Where's Pluto going? This whole keeping Pluto a planet and adding many more is just making the issue extremely confusing. They should make a more proper categorization of planets. Maybe small planets half the size of earth are to be called dwarf planets or something. I don't know. Science can come up with some pretty uninteresting names. |
No, no, no it was.
-My -Very -Enormus -Mother -Just -Sat -Upon -Nine -Pizza ------ About the Pluto being classifyed off as a planet, we might as well say The Rockies isn't a mountain range and it's a big rock. The scientists can classify Pluto how they want, but until it's stuffed in the textbooks and everyone of this generation (????-2006) dies off, it won't do them any good, bu tonly for specific scientific discussion, like in Astronomy of something of that nature. It will still be pluto until we totally forget it. |
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That's fucking bullshit logic right there. Just because of what's been drilled into our heads in school we should retain and never get new information or discover new things? By that logic evolution would never come around because it was taught that God made everything as everyone would have to die who believed that in order to accept it. There is such a thing as textbook revision and it will become revised in the newest edition if such a school elects to purchase it if they have the funds. You can learn a lot from you own and not from school textbooks, which are often biased and only cover part of the picture. |
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They're going to have to change it eight or 12, no matter what. This proposal is going to have a drastic effect on our understanding and will outdate textbooks. Get ready for the change, because the IAU is going to come to a decision whether you all like it or not.
Hell, ever browse through the astronomy books at an elementary school? There are kids reading things that were printed before the first landing on the moon. |
I will still never forgive them for naming a planet after Xena.
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All my school lessons to the rubbish. Maybe one day we discover the Sun isn't really a star.
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I'm all for a few extra planets, this new 12-planets-so-far definition seems all right to me. |
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http://space.com/scienceastronomy/06...efinition.html
Well, it's official. 8 planets in our solar system. Pluto's out. That sucks. |
Pluto fails
I think this is pretty much fucking ridiculous, those faggots are overthrowing an untouchable tradition. Millions of books must be renewed. Super decision. |
What's gonna happen to our old memory tools now?
My Very Eager Mother Just Served Us Nine Peanuts and the variation for select times: My Very Eager Mother Just Served Us Pastachio Nuts All down the drain now. ;_; |
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My Very Eager Mother Just Served Us Nine ...nine what? WE'LL NEVER KNOW! My Very Eager Mother Just Served Us Nuts Yum. I guess this still works, even though it's weird. |
Does Pluto have an atmosphere? I mean, given that they'd established Charon is a satellite, I can see why it couldn't be a planet. Part of the definition of a planet, if I remember correctly, is that it has to have atmosphere. Thus, these asteroids and moons that people may have wanted to become planets due to their size just don't fit the criteria.
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Well, Pluto may be out now but there could be a new planet. As it has been mentioned, 2003 UB313 (Xena) has been talked about becoming a planet.
It probably has a good chance at becoming the new 9th planet. It certainly is larger than Pluto after all. Oh, I heard the decision on the news this morning. They explained that while Pluto wont be called a planet now it, and other objects like it in that belt, will be classified as a "Dwarf Planet". |
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Mercury doesn't have an atmosphere and it's still a planet. I like this new definition and this new ruling. Boofucking hoo textbooks have to be rewritten. Big deal it happens all the time. Jesus I hope you people aren't serious about your precious memory. Memory is flawed, and besides, learning and discovering new things is fun. |
Well, I'd assume that it was official.
It's about to be on the news, they just announced it. Pluto is not a planet. |
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