So, they're cutting down on liquids that can be carried on planes...
 

Sry, not enough posts to give a source.

Now that nail polish remover and toothpaste is a terrorist weapon, all clothing would have to be eliminated, because Osama will use it to strangle passengers.

Then, after all clothing and carry-ons have been banned, he'll use Karate.

I don't understand why no one has figured out yet that terrorists can't be outsmarted. It's easier, though more time-consuming, to go to the source and improve the various situations in the Mid-East that's producing this exorbitant amount of terrorists.

This kind of reminds me of Joker's laughing gas in the '89 Batman.

Basically, terrorists have proven that almost everyone with political influence in western society is an idiot.

Um, no. (?)

How do you figure that? I mean, of course it's true that the source of the problem should be addressed, but don't you think that it's a bit arrogant to say ''Wow, I don't understand why no one gets it yet; I personally have it all figured it out.'' It's not like governments of the world aren't trying to improve the situation in the Middle East. What can be done to improve it that isn't being done already?

Let's not use improved security measures to prevent people from using methods that have been shown to be effective in the past to commit horrible crimes. No sir. Instead it's much easier to completely re-establish the ideals, beliefs, and political structure of a section of the world that has been in turmoil with itself for thousands of years.

christ.

Yeah but, who actually needs toothpaste and nail remover on a plane, you don't really need it in your hand luggage...
I don't know the full list of items that have been banned but you don't really need many things on a plane anyway...a bottle of water maybe and some sweets perhaps...

Maybe you don't travel much, but I do. Not all of my trips are long vacations, and I pack very light. Usually all my stuff fits in a handbag. Now this is just a pain in the ass.

Personally I think its better to have inconviences than to die in an explosion on a plane.

But maybe thats just me.

I like how flying on planes now is similar to going to jail :P

Who DOESN'T bring toothpaste on the plane? With how commonplace losing luggage is, it's rather silly to not pack a small toiletries kit into your carryon.

Here is a partial list of the suspects names, Abdula Ali, Cossor Ali, Shazad Ali, Nabeel Hussain, Tanvir Hussain, Umair Hussain, Umar Islam, Waseem Kayani, Assan Khan, Waheed Khan, Osman Khatib, Abdul Patel, Tayib Rauf, Muhammed Saddique, Assad Sarwar, Ibrahim Savant, Amin Tariq, Shamin Uddin, Waheed Zaman.

Yet 70 year old Phyllis Nordberg of St. Paul now can't bring hand lotion on the plane. Much better to inconvenience everyone than to actually look closer at the real suspects, wouldn't want to offend anybody, so lets take away a 4 year olds sippy cup....because you never know!!!

Remember kids, Racial profiling solves ALL problems!

Doesn't solve all problems, but a little common sense wouldn't hurt. Take random bag checks on NYC subways. They check every 4th bag for instance, so if bag #4 is Ethyl Rosenberg, it gets checked, while Ibrahim Mohammad, next in line, gets a pass. This makes no sense, yet the risk is taken because its more important not to offend anyone than to actually enforce workable security.

Everyone that I have ever known, that has every flown on an airplane. Ever.

I'm not so paranoid about losing my luggage that I have to strap myself with cases of Colgate. Worst case scenario? I buy a travel sized tube for $0.40 when I get there.

And on the subject of racial profiling, so you check every brown guys bag. They'll start using brown women. You check her bag. Theycould start using other groups. If they figure out that no brown guy can get on a plane without being checked, it won't take them long before they start coercing other ethnicities into helping them out. Hell, wasn't one of the Londoner's arrested a convert to Islam who had changed his name?

And instead of chancing that someone else may have explosives in a bottle of Powerade, just not let anyone bring it on board. No risk at all that way.

I can't believe the fuss some people are making over the fact that they can't bring a juice box and a tube of Right Gaurd on board a plane anymore. Airlines will have things to drink, and when was the last time you fucking HAD to brush your teeth or put on some more pit-stick halfway between Chicago and Los Angeles?

A minor inconvenice it may be, but if it's a minor inconvenience that keeps someone from killing hundreds of people, then it's just fine.

Yar. I haven't checked bags in years. I always can pack my stuff into a nice-sized suitcase that can fit in an overhead.

I'm not suggesting racially profiling every brown person, but there seems to be this wild over reaction to a group of Muslims and their actions. It still seems ludicrous to stop everything and make grandma throw out her hand lotion, just to be all inclusive. And the Muslims in England are still bitching because the names of the terrorists were released, because of course people will see that the terrorists were all Muslims.

Security level is red and you're complaining about inclusion? Whitebread nigger, you are not the judge of what sense is 'common' enough to be useful.

The ones who phoned in the tip that lead to the arrests were Muslim too. o shi-

Actually, that's what you are suggesting.

My mom and I don't fly all that much, but there have been at least a couple of times when our luggage got temporarily misplaced. At least one of those times, the luggage was missing for about 24 hours. Thus, my mom likes to pack the "essentials"--a bag of toiletries--in her carry-on. Ah well, I'd rather be toiletries-less than exploded.

Also, I wonder if things will be a bigger hassle for diabetics, now? They never even give me a second glance when my carry-on with syringes and insulin goes through.

As for racial profiling, I think it makes sense... but I also think that if they actually did start doing it, like someone above said the Muslims would just start finding different people to do the work for them. Also, I bet it sucks enough being a Muslim in an airport, anyway... I can't imagine standing in big crowds of people looking at you suspiciously as you innocently wait your turn in line to board a plane.

This war won't be over until one or both sides is eradicated from existence. Sounds morbid, sure, but it's the truth. The only way we could possibly "stop it at its source" would be to nuke the entire Middle East, destroying all the holy cities and oil fields and killing all the people, so that there are too few people to fight and nothing to fight over.

No, I'm not suggesting we actually do this, I'm just "demonstrating absurdity by being absurd". It's really simple. There's no way to cut these freaks off at the source without taking a page from Hitler's book of tactics. As such, it's pointless to discuss it and simply better to inconvenience everyone. Yeah, I'll take inconvenience over death and nuclear holocaust any day of the week, thank you very much.

I just flew into Oklahoma from Louisiana, and my bags were searched since I had to bring a carry-on to take back all my games, DVDs, and wireless router.

A personable black woman checked it at the security checkpoint, which I didn't mind at all, since she actually searched the bag. Later as we were about to board the plane, they had a table set up with liquids on it and they searched carry-ons again, only this time the tall black dude who fingered through my bag didn't pull anything out. Why the Hell?

Of course, at Houston International there was no search of carry-ons before boarding.

Whatever. I had to leave my body wash, toothpaste, and deodorant in Baton Rouge but it's not like buying some more is going to break my wallet.

It used to be that airlines didn't accomodate carry-on luggage. We might as well return to that policy. However, that was during the time when planes were smaller and lost luggage wasn't a significant issue.

Yes, this is true, and very comendable, but, instead of making a statement along the lines of " We won't tolerate these terrorists in our community and will turn them in"...we get the usual "Muslim as victim" response. Everytime something happens involving Muslim terrorists we get the same old song and dance of "Oh don't pick on us poor Muslims, we so afraid of your hateful reprisals"..which seldom happen by the way.

As to profiling and common sense, if there was a 6 ft tall red headed white guy kidnapping children in an area, the police wouldn't be stopping old ladies and investigating them. Yet when a definable group of people is responsible for 95% of the terrorist actions in recent times, there is a fear of paying closer attention to them because we don't want to offend anybody.

They're the "good ones."

Haha, my last name is on that list. I and my family better be searched whenever we fly. It's embarrassing to be taken out of the line and actually searched, kind of humiliating to have such attention put on your ethnicity. It's those terrorist fucks that I blame for that though, not the government for doing their job - protecting MY country. It's hard to feel this way and be willing to go through freakin bodily searches whenever you have to fly, and STILL be looked at cockeyed by people, I understand this need for political correctness - so as to atleast keep appearences up that'll keep muslims/people of arab/persian descent from feeling this way. But it is inevitable in light of what is happening in the world, and necessary. Anybody who understands there is a real threat should do these little things willingly, and should have their ire at terrorists [not their gov't] increase tenfold everytime a liberty is infringed upon because of them.

So press releases are more important than ratting out actual terrorists?

No, not at all, but in todays victim mentality society, the squeaky wheel gets the grease and the Muslims have figured out how to squeak very loudly. They'll claim racism and bigotry and fear of retaliation everytime one of their own is caught doing something bad. The powers that be respond to all this whining with assurances that no one will dare pick on the poor oppressed Muslim and security will be even handed and across the board, thus, grandma from Des Moines is treated as just as much of a threat as Abdul standing behind her in line. The Muslim as victim goes way beyond this. They're the victims of Israel, they're the victims of the U.S., they're the victims of European bigotry, they're the victims of Indian aggression, of the Phillipine government..the list goes on. They never do seem, however, to acknowledge when other Muslims victimize Muslims. 47 dies at the hands of Muslims in Iraq yesterday and the Muslim response is nonexistant, but let Isreal kill a handful, or let an American bomb miss and the hue and cry is deafening.

Easy solution to the problem, ban humans on planes. No more bombs, hijackings. Solves all problems.

All this hyped up security, you really think the terrorists would strike now? They're not lead by imbeciles. All the security is going to be hyped up, then slowly they'll start lowering it again and THEN they'll strike. TERROR!! FEAR! Be afraid, very afraid cause they're everywhere and everyone. Contact the government of any suspicious activity.

Talk about victim mentality.

And where is that post is a victimized attitutde? Maybe a fed up attitude, tired of all the Muslim whining. If they want to stop being profiled...stop killing people..pretty simple, but they tolerate terrorists for the same reason they tolerate Muslim on Muslim violence...because the terrorists are Muslims..and the rest of us are filthy unwashed infidels..deserving of our fates.

You really don't understand anything, do you?

On the bright side, at least that Sierra Mist commerical is hilarious now.

In all honesty, you're the only one whining here. Terrorism has always been an aspect of our society we had to deal with. Why can't we just go on living our lives without all the hatred towards other religions and paranoia instilled by our governments?

You constantly talk about Muslims like you know every single one of them personally. I'm wondering what it is that makes you such an expert at understanding the opinions and feelings of the entire Muslim population on earth. Maybe people would start taking you seriously if you could do without the gross overgeneralizations just for once, Wesker.

god, you want capital-m Muslims to knock on your door and personally apologise whenever someone does something shitty. Christians do shitty stuff all the time, but I don't ask for the pope to kiss my ass every time Fred Phelps protests a solider's funeral.

It doesn't even matter to you that they DO, very publically, condemn terrorism to the point where they will help fight against it. You're just being hella whiny because they're not doing it right.

How about you explain it then. Explain why 90% of the terrorism in the world is perpetrated by Muslims. Explain why we've seen no massive protests by Muslims against Muslim terrorists. Explain why in every part of the world where a Muslim country borders a non Muslim country there is fighting. Explain why, whenever Muslims begin to attain a majority or at least a sizable minority they begin to demand changes in the laws of that nation. Please, enlighten me.

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Please detail the shitty stuff done recently by Christians in the name of Jesus. Don't drag out the tiny amount of times that a so called Christain nut job bombs an abortion clinic. Its hard for you, I know, but try to avoid moral relativism and give me examples of the worldwide Christain terror organizations and their nefarious acts. I can't seem to remember christaisn beheading people and shouting "Glory to jesus" while doing it. Christians haven't been plotting mass murder on the scale of our Religion of peace buddies.

As for Muslim condemnation of terror...if they're going to whine and protest evertime they are the victims of some perciebed wrong at the hands of the infidels, surely they've got the time to protest the actions of their murderous brethren. Please give me examples or links that i can look up regarding large anti-terror protest conducted by Muslims. If they sit by silently what else can be judged except that they give tacit approval to the actions of the terrorists. A simple Google search of "muslim anti terror protests" reveals alot of links to Muslims protesting anti terror LAWS, but almost none on Muslims actually protesting against terrorism. If the shoe fits.....

Where are you even getting your numbers? Does this terrorism include small stuff like bombing abortion clinics? How about anyone getting hit with a terrorism charge in the US, I hear a lot of those are.... misplaced.

There's fighting everywhere, you know.

Sure, that's called 'representation'.

Representation is different than using ones religion to institute a civil code.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=35850

Why not.

"That's not us, we're not terrorists, we don't want to murder", which is what you think they all say, is somehow silent? Well whatevs.

I am not your google search.

You are not supposed to put the shoe on your head, Wesker. :(

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No, it's basically the same. Why do you hate democracy so much?

Because its a lame argument based on misguided moral relativism. How many have been killed in these abortion clinic attacks? How often are they taking place. What percentage of the worldwide christian community is behind them. Your idea likening abortion clinic bombings to worldwide Islamic terrorism is like saying Stalin is the equal of a thug who shoots a convenience store owner. The fact that Stalin killed 25 million and the thug killed 1 is irrelevant...right???

What, mentioning that it's terrorism means that it's the Pepsi to islamofacists' Coke?

You can't be that stupid. Yes its terrorism, but the murder of 7 people since the 80's is nowhere near the scale of what we're talking about when it comes to islamic terrorists. So you must also be saying that the Earth Liberation Front of enviroterrorists are also just as big a threat and problem as Islamic terrorists...I guess they're R.C cola then...after all moral relativism demands they all be placed in the same collective boat in your world.

So beyond your weak attempt to link abortion bombing with worldwide Islamic terro, you've failed to give any other examples of "shitty" Christian behavior on par with "shitty" Muslim behavior.

So why do you keep saying that it's true? What did Christians ever do to you, to make you think they're so awful? And you can't use gay marriage as an excuse, we just had that shitfest.

Once again, you've failed actually answer any questions or use any facts to support your lame assertions. You truly are "hopeless".

Why do you cut and run, wesker? Why don't you stay the course?

I didn't really read all the way through this thread so if something has been said about this sorry. But from what I understand the stuff 'they' were trying to make that would destroy the plane couldn't just be stuffed into a toothpaste, shampoo or water bottle.

There anything wrong with just banning all hand luggage outright?

A lot of people wouldn't fly anymore if they couldn't take carry-ons. Personally, my checked baggage has been lost at least 4 times. People wouldn't stand for that.

Did they find the baggage?

But would they stand for it in light of possible plots? Or would the airline?

It seems like quite an opportunity for the airline to sieze some ground, too. 'Get there safely and get there quick in this age of frightened congestion!'

I don't know if that would really cut down on air traffic. I mean, I'm not about to just not go on a vacation because I can't take carry-on on. If I'm going to Florida, I'm going to Florida. I won't spend the rest of my life in the city because I can't read the Da Vinci code on a flight.

You are right though, if they do ban carry-on luggage, the airlines are going to have to get their shit together with missing luggage. Having it lost does suck. We got it back thank god, but it is a terrible feeling.

A classmate of mine came in on leave from the Navy. He's a nuclear submarine crewman guy. Anyway, he had some mouthwash and a bottle of apple juice on one of his carry-ons, and the security people pulled him over and made him remove the items.

I wouldn't have cared, except he had his uniform on! :biggrin: Very obviously a terrorist :lolsign:

The TSA are notorious for being staffed by complete and utter fucking morons In some airports, the TSA has been dumping potentially hazardous and explosive liquids into universal recepitcals or trash bins. Yeah! That's an awesome idea! Just mix these potentially highly volatile and explosive liquids in some trash can in the middle of a crowded airport! It would really fucking suck for them if someone decided to bring in a bottle of Windex and a bottle of Bleach.