More crap with terrorists
 

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/britain_terror_plot


this scares me considering Im flying to the US from France later this month...

isnt it funny that they tried to do this on 8/10, which is one less then 9/11

shit...what do you guys think it was, who did it, and if its anything to worry about

Well they didn't exactly tried to do it on 8/10, it's just that they got captured today. But yeah, it's definitely scaring, I guess.

Ahaha, I was discussing the 8-10 significance today at breakfast.

I like the whole liquid explosives idea, but seriously guys. Don't you think the airplane gimmick is done and over with?

I particularly enjoyed Bush's little speech in Green Bay this afternoon, though. Made it all worth it.

Geez whenever someone decides to blow something up or plans to do so, Bush thinks it's supposed to be an attack on the States.

Not like this will stop them from trying it again. Although... I really wouldn't want to fuck with those guys:
http://www.spiegel.de/img/0,1020,681024,00.jpg

well, met their 5 year quota. Statistically... it should be safer to take the plane without worrying about it being a target now. And security is hiked up all over the world with air travel. Guess they have to resort to train bombings again.

If the Terrorist were smart, they would release Snakes on the plane, instead of
Liquid Explosives... but they're not and so we get a movie instead of a CNN Newsfeed :)

My question is... WHERE THE FUCK ARE Al-Quada hiding??? Man the sooner they are taking out the better the world will be (sry about my language but I'm pissed of as hell)

Supposedly in rural areas in the Kashmir area in Pakistan/Afganistan border, but since the US reported this to the general public, it could be anywhere in the middle east... except probably Lebanon, cuz of all the bombs n' shit blowing up.

My guess is somewhere remote, with directives to Members via secure Internet connections, or in a crowded population area to throw off searchers, like either Vanatau or a major world city.

I'm glad they foiled this. I for one would still take planes despite this, cause it's still one of the safest ways to travel, and I'm not gonna let terrorists run my life (too bad many others are too scared to take the plane anymore, which explains why many airlines are suffering financially right now).

I just hope that those intelligence agencies have people who are constantly trying to think like the terrorists would, and try to come up with scenarios so that their people will be more familiar with it, and if something like that does happen, they'll be able to stop it. I've got some ideas myself, but I'm not going to post them here because I'm afraid some nutcase may read it and decide to use my ideas (although I'd love to let the intelligence agencies know it, just so they can prepare for it).

Yeah, seriously now, where are they!? Everyone has Google Earth on their computers, so why can't we just find out their address and send someone to their house to arrest these terrorist guys?

It's not even sure yet whether this was organized by Al-Qaeda or some other fag group

Goddamnit I have to fly back to Spain tommorow via Stansted.

Well I better take a sleeping back with me.

(and thank fuck I'm not with Iberia, they're on strike at the moment)

According to statistics, you have a significantly higher chance of dying while driving than on an airplane.

It's funny how things work. People die all the time in car accidents. So much so that people aren't afraid to drive anymore. But when an airplane crash occurs, or some terrorist acts, people are suddenly afraid to fly, even though the chances of you dying is significantly higher when driving than flying.

I'm glad the plans were twarted though.

Margaret Gavin, 67, waiting to board a train, said she wasn't scared. "Why should I change my life because some idiots want to blow something up?" she said.

First of all, that's awesome. =).

Wow, I had't heard of that...but it really does bring to mind - that there are still terrorists out there, not only the ones Israel is fighting at the moment, but terrorists that directly threaten us.


Hm...I don't know if you were being sarcastic, but mind 'splainin that?

Because these planes WERE heading to the US.

"British authorities said Thursday they thwarted a terrorist plot to simultaneously blow up several aircraft heading to the U.S. using explosives smuggled in carry-on luggage."

I heard on the news that intelligence had wind of the plot for ages (chatrooms and buying and credit cards) and actually only just ripped it open today. Of course the large percentage of muslims in the plot can't be good for the muslims in london. >___________________>

Going by that logic and knowing that the terrorists intended to blow the planes up in mid-air while crossing the Atlantic ocean, I reckon this was much rather an attack on the big pond! ;-)

People are afraid of planes because, unlike cars, they aren't in control. Except to choose whether to be on the plane or not.

With that same logic, people should be afraid when riding buses, or when they're the passenger on a car.

Yeah, but at least then, the driver is easily accessible so that you can beat their brains out when they make a wrong turn. :biggrin:

And I think that's true, to an extent.

Also, to Sass and others who are talking about the 8/10 slant, this wasn't the day everything was supposed to happen. Today, they caught the 21 or how many ever terrorists. Experts have said it may have been planned for the fifth anniversary of 9/11, or even earlier.

Al-Queda is not some sort of super villian organization with a secret fortress on the moutaintops of Uzbekistan. It's a network of people with similar ideals and goals. Even if Al-Queda was completely eliminated, there would still be terrorists out there. The only way terrorists would be gone is if humanity's worldviews changed for the better and put aside petty and asinine differences.

This thwarted attack doesn't make me less inclined to fly, I love flying. I am glad they actually prevented it. However I think the extreme drastic measures of not allowing people to bring on carry-ons is too much. Didn't they find the guys before they came on to the plan? It just shows that at least the security checkpoints are good for something.

The War on Terror has about the same chance of being successfully won as does the War on Drugs.

Mission accomplished for Big Brother. Everyone's back in panic mode now. News like this was bound to happen. For the last three weeks all we've been hearing about is Hezbolla that we all started to forget about the real threat to the western world. Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. So what better way than to ram it in faces again than to broadcast news of an 'alleged' terror plot to blow up aircraft. And just like the good lemmings we are we once again hand all our trust to our governments to keep us safe.

Pitiful fools we are.

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who realized it. Yeah, real orginal terrorists. Wait 5 years and then minus 1 from each number. I can't wait to see how "The Daily Show" and the "Colbert Report" handle the story.

I heard on CNN that Al-Queda is more like a bunch of smaller groups spread out throughout the world rather than one huge branch in an area. Supposedly, some of the terrorists traveled back and forth to Pakistan a few times and it is suspected that it was for Al-Queda-like training. It's ok about the language. Many of the people within this region are as mad if not angrier. Especially me because I was suppose to go to England this spring!

I would be a little weary about flying today, but not enough to deter me from flying to/from the U.K. My parents are very conservative and were already scared of the idea of me spending 5 months in England even though they are America's allies. Now, because of the morons that decided to pull this shit, I may not be able to take the trip because my parents will be scared half to death or the college would put it on their "red flag" list.

Anyone have a rubber raft and a baseball bat I can use? Because I might gather the people that was suppose to come with me to England and help Scotland Yard beat hunt down these people. Kidding, but seriously, how dumb do you have to be to prefer spilling your own blood--and the blood of others--rather than to just sit down with your wives and discuss your day while you eat dinner and watch BBC?

Atleast some people aren't oblivious.

I'd be more worried about speaking the truth right now then millions of Muslims wanting to destroy the US.

I think the reason people feel safer in a car is due to the fact that they feel in control. Theyre behind the wheel, and not putting there lives in the hands of some faceless pilot.

Another reason might be, if your car gets in a wreck, or your car breaks down, your not going to plummet thousands of feet to your death. In a plane theres no escape.

I feel a little bit nervous because my best friend is taking a plane out of Britain tomorrow. But then if you look at it statistically then there really isn't any point in being worried. At least they seemed to be on the case for this incident.

All I'm glad for is that these monstrosities to humanity were captured before they could perform their evil deed.

I thought the same thing when I heard on Fox News that the 'terror alert is back to red!'

Great. Back to wondering if that neighbor down the street is a terrorist, again. People piss me off.

I'm going to fly to Great Britain just to prove the fucking point.

Very happy nothing happen. But I'm hoping this doesn't limit what we can carry on to a plane even more. Like, now they might not let us bring any electronic devices or drinks onto a plane. Great, 18 hours of actual nothing.

Security is important, but there is other ways of insuring safety other than removing the ability all together. Better security at the customs and scan gates. But they haven't announced anything yet, so I'm just pre-emptively ranting.

Here's a list of what you're allowed to take on UK flights, at least for the short term. Forget about electonic devices; you're not even allowed to take a BOOK with you. I doubt they'd even allow tampons if they could manage to rationalise that it wasn't a big deal to hose the stains off the seats between flights.

Incidentally, if they're so afraid of liquids now, maybe it isn't the best idea to be making such a show of airport authorities dumping "potential explosives" all together in bins in the middle of CROWDED AIRPORTS.

I wasn't being sarcastic, I mean, obviously they planned to blow up the airplanes over the atlantic ocean, not over some US territory. Sure, there would have been quite a lot of US-American victims, but still, you cannot really say that these attacks were exclusively aimed at the United States of America.

That's humor at it's fucking best.

Hm...I daresay plenty of people voice "the truth." It is still...a free country, after all. As far as the items a person can take on a plane being so limited, I think it's less because they're potential threats, and more because it saves time on searching - thereby cutting the time a person would have to spend in line to get screened.

Double Post:

Oh hah, yea, I wasn't sure what you meant. But I do think "attacking the US" includes attacking citizens of the United States. And nope, definately not, these attacks weren't exclusively aimed at the US BUT - they did target US borne flights on US aircrafts. Britian is just as much a target than the US though.

On another note - the scariest thing is that it seems the suspects/the people trying to carry this out were actually FROM Britain, "homegrown" terrorists I believe the term is. Scary, right?

Well, they were mostly all originally from Pakistan, but the majority of them were British nationals, yes.

Yeah, and 2 of them had actually made Martyr tapes - ha ha, I guess those are kind of awkward now.

btw, big ups to your sig [and avatar].

Actually, British airports don't have bins, neithre do our stations. You can thank the IRA's policy of putting bombs in them for that.

As for everyone making dumb 8/10 - 9/11 links, the plotters were British and over here yesterday was 10/8/06. We write our dates the more sensible way.

I don't understand why anyone would be more scared of flying today than two days ago. Surely the fact that they caught a load of terrorists is reassuring? Now at least they can't actually blow anyone up whereas a couple of days ago they could have. The only reason to be more scared of flying now is that the US has increased the number of gun-toting air marshalls on our flights making it slightly easier for a committed highjacker to get hold of a weapon on board a plane.

I work right near Gatwick airport and I've never had such an easy drive to work as today. It's also nice and quiet without an eazyjet plane going over every five minutes. I find it pretty amusing though that most European and domestic flights have been cancelled yet all the ones from India and the Middle East are still flying fine.

I can't imagine there'll be any anti-muslim backlash over here though. The people who want to beat up "Pakis" wanted to beat them up already. That shit's been going on ever since we invented the damn country.

wow I'm so glad they were cought before anything actually happened. We didn't need a recap of 9/11.
Although the terrorrist sure are getting less creative nowadays.

It's reassuring to me, but I know my parents are trying to ban me from studying in England next semester. They think that b/c they foiled their plot this time it doesn't mean that they won't do it next time. They think the terrorists are going to try to find more clever ways of working around the counterterrorism forces and airport security. I know it's risky and they may be able to find a way around all the securities we have today, but as Rudy said on Larry King Live last night, life is full of risks and we shouldn't cancel our plans b/c of this, right?

I think the lack of creativity is what causes the U.S. Government to believe that it could be Al Queda related. Supposedly, Al Queda has been known to try the same thing a few times with little differences here and there in order to create more damage with less chance of getting caught. However, I agree, but I'm not going ot fuss too much about it since it allows the U.K. and U.S. a better chance to catch them before they strike.

this incident is perfectly timed to draw attention away from the israeli massacres in lebanon as well as giving bush a much needed boost before the US senate elections in a few weeks (nothing like a terrorist threat to instill fear in people and improve your popularity). i guarantee that most of the 19 people arrested are innocent and will be released without charge, just wait and see...

Israeli massacres? The only reason civilians are dying is because the cowardly Hezbollah fighters choose to make their bases in civilian areas. You do seem to forget, however, that these Hezbollah fighters are even worse. They're the ones throwing hundreds and hundreds of missiles into Israeli civilian areas.

That's fucking bullshit if you're not allowed to take a fucking book along. Where did you hear that?

Are the airliners taking a hit financially after this threat? Seriously, the British government is overreacting to this situation. The liquids turned into a bomb doesn't happen magically. If anything, they did it before they even showed up to the airport and put them in containers disguised as everyday objects. People do that all the time to sneak in booze to public events to avoid paying the high prices.

They caught the terrorists before they came on board, why all the unnessecary bullshit?

I'd certainly not want to fly to Britain, not because I'm scared, but because I don't want to deal with that bullshit.

mas·sa·cre (ms-kr)
n.
The act or an instance of killing a large number of humans indiscriminately and cruelly.

pretty much summarises what the israelies have been doing these last few weeks.

would you rather they made their bases in an open space with neon signs which read 'israel, please bomb here'? they're fighting a war you buffoon.

i'm not going to dignify this statement with a response.

and you'refrom palestine

/end insult

Well, that would explain his severely biased outlook on this, then.

what he says is probably biased and his second post was terribly rude, but it is possible...

bush might be trying to keep the whole terrorist thing alive and using that to justify his war on terrorism.

having england do it could also make it seem not as "set up".


regardless, if it is true, the terrorists are really getting pathetic...blowing up planes in the ocean? at least do it in the country you hate

Not really. Sure, there have been civilians killed in the crossfire. They were not killed cruelly. They were killed because of the radical militant group known as Hezbollah.
I'd rather they make their bases away from highly populated civilian areas and holy temples, like a normal army group. But, no, they choose to be cowards, and use civilians as human shields.

Killing thousands of people who live in that country accomplishes the same thing. Ten fully loaded trans-Atlantic flights would easily surpass that amount.

true, but they could do even more damage for the same cost if they did it on u.s soil

What!?

Have you ever heard of the terms 'terrorist' and 'guerilla' warfare? It's essentially the only way they stand a chance against an organized army such as the IDF.

You know, we already have a thread about Israel's war in Lebanon. Please use that thread, not this one, to discuss Israel's war in Lebanon. Thank you.

Way to give in, folks. You know, you have to give that 67-year-old woman credit. She's not afraid.

And for shame those who dishonor those on United Flight 93, who gave their lives in order to allow others to live thier lives as freely as they want. They fought back. They didn't give in to fear. So, why should we?

There's terrorists that kill people, terrorists that hurt ppl, and terrorists that threaten people.

So... Everyday we see terrorists. So, in short, this thing is abit overdone.

Terrorists is like another name for murderers.