Pre-E3 Wii thread
 

Okay guys, it's six days until the Nintendo Conference so it's time for the Pre-E3 Wii thread. You guys did pretty well in the last thread. Keep it up. =)

Again just like last time, be warned that if you fag this thread up like the former Revolution threads then you will be banned from this thread and perhaps for a week or two from Mario's Warp Room or all of the gaming forums. So basically behave in this thread or else.


This is the Pre-E3 thread for discussion of Nintendo's next generation console named Wii formerly known as Revolution. As such it will be closed most likely a day or so before the Nintendo Press Conference for the creation of a Nintendo Conference plus E3 Wii thread with the same principle and rules.

Link to prior Revolution/Wii thread for time piecing.

Enjoy your speculation and what not and please, play nice.

Wow Acer, such formal transitions! Correct me if I'm wrong but I think so far, Wii's the only next-gen console that's getting this sort of treatment around here at GFF.

Anyway, has it been officialy clarified as to what those pictures are of from the Sadness trailer? Is it safe to say that, that's just a person demonstrating how to play?

-EDIT-

Sigh...make way for the latest rumor. Wii for FREE

I don't know if I really believe this. I remember Sega did this for a while with Dreamcast when they were desperately trying to save it. If it is indeed true, I'm not sure how I'd feel about it. It might backfire.

That would be quite the steal. It would be mighty awesome for my wallet and entertainment value if that rumor were true.

Yeah it would be but it just seems more and more unlikely as I think about it. (And it's not like it seemed beliveble at first)

See, even if we ignore how much of a loss this would cause Nintendo and entertain the idea, how would they enforce it? We all know how major retailers LOVE to create their own super-bargainprofit induced, stupid bundles. SUPER XXXTREME OMEGA 360 bundle anyone?:rolleyes:

At least when Sega did this with DC, you had to sighn up for 2 years worth of DC-online service so it made some sense. Now had the rumor suggested that you had to purchase an X amount of Nintendo games for the Virtual Console feature, it would have seemed more plausable.

I'm just waiting for the final hardware annoucements. Nintendo and other companies keep discussing other "secrets," so I just must find out what they have in store.

Other note, the Nintendo conference is something like 18 hours after the Sony one and around 3 before the MS one. It's going to be a huge mess of information, and hell, everyone better have some decent counters in store.

I have a feeling the Nintendo side of E3 will go like this:

Phase 1: Videos of new Nintendo games for the Wii are shown. People are wowed at the graphics being twice as good as the Gamecube (even though this should be expected by pretty much anyone that has common sense). A few demos are given with what the controller can do.

Phase 2: Launch games are shown and 3rd parties demo their games. Every video shows a person swinging the controller around like a crack addict even for something as simple as pointing.

Phase 3: DSLite US release is revealed...noone cares because they want to see more of the Wii.

Phase 4: Some big surprise is revealed. Price, online system, virtual reality, toaster-oven built in, etc., etc.

Who else wants to take a guess?

I think the Wii and PS3 price will be revealed at E3. They should be anyway, it's getting closer and closer to launch for both systems.

They'll probably start with DSLite stuff to make everyone salivate for Wii, and then when the Wii stuff is revealed, jaws will drop/unhinge.

Um yeah, I'll be royally pissed if the prices and all the super nitty, gritty details for these consoles aren't revealed during this E3. I mean, they already kinda coped out during last year's E3. All both companies did was show the shell for their systems and that was pretty much it.

Oh and if Nintendo knows what it's doing, it'll definately reveal all the DS and GC (OK, Twilight Princess) info before they reveal anything about Wii. Otherwise, Wii will just overshadow everything else they have to say.

I hope Nintendo divulges on the details of their downloadable games. I made a journal entry about it, but now I want to discuss it.

What do you think? Will Nintendo let us submit our own levels? What are some classic games you would love to see updated?

Also, while I'm still iffy about the system using the name, I totally approve the term "Wiimulator".

Nintendo has a history of not selling their consoles at a loss (hence their being the most profitable console company), so I find that rumour of giving away Wii consoles to be rather hard to believe. It would be awesome, though, I can't deny that.

Wow the news just keeps on coming and E3 hasn't even started yet!

Ok so Kojima has stated that he's working on a brand new IP just for Wii! Here's the questionable part: It's geared towards girls. Eh? How girly are we talking? Cause I can take Animal Crossing/Nintendogs "girly" but if it's more like Barbie's Horse Adventures, then I'm a bit worried.


Oh and if anyone was still hoping that Wii's some sort of a prank, faux-name, give it up. The trademark has just surfaced. Wii's here to stay .:biggrin:

If I were the Nintendo conference planner...

1) Reggie raps on stage about Nintendo's Blue Ocean Strategy and Disruption Philosophy.
2) In comes the DS trailers.
3) Iwata-san explains some of the games. And some DS dates.
4) George Harrison talks about the successes of Nintendo and stuff (the numbers and stats).
5) Aonuma-san reveals more Zelda TP stuff and releases final trailer and date.
6) Miyamoto speech before....

7) THE FRENCH "Wii!" REVOLUTION (okay, I'm gonnna get stoned one day for all these puns I'm making). The Download service name turns out to be Nintendo "Go", price, release date, worldwide (2 weeks maximum difference), final secrets and finally TRAILERS!!!

8) Reggie invites 3rd party guys to come up. Trailers. Each director/producer talks about game for 30 seconds.

9) End of the show... or is it?

10) Gameboy CUBED!!!

Anyone want to take a punt on this guess?

Game Boy Cubed? Spew. Oh hay guys I stole this crap quality scan from the internet, One Piece Unlimited Adventure revealed.

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3...51936154qk.jpg

Though I doubt that the 'free bundle' makes it's way anywhere outside the US, there's still something that bugs me. The games. 4 games from launch that's worth buying? Honestly, I'd see that before I believe it.
But if there's at least a proper Mario and a Zelda, then I'll get it.

sorry, but am i the only one here who has never really loved reggie? i mean sure, he's ok, but i'm not going to all of a sudden go crazy over him or anything.

also, i'm getting kind of sick of "wii will change everything" that nintendo is spouting out in EVERY interview now. it was cool the first time, maybe the second, but not the hundredth (though IGN's "the nintendo minute" is almost completely useless anyway as it is basically a PR gimmick).

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aaaanyway, i'm kind of agreeing that wii will steal the show, so showing zelda and other gamecube or ds stuff earlier than wii would be advantageous (then showing zelda using the wii controller after this would rock). i can't wait... too bad i'm not going to e3.

also, about the bundle deal: i doubt it works like that, but knowing nintendo, there will be some sort of bundle deal (get the system, get a few games with it? it's sort of the reverse... though i like the idea of choosing your own games with it as well).

http://www.dsrevolution.com/images/i...bbb_scan01.jpg

Monkey Ball for Wii! :D

I never LOVED him, in actual fact. But everyone else seems to. Why not use him? And plus, he has an enigma that engages the audience.

Any guesses at the "still-to-be-annouced" Wii secret?

Still to be announced? ...I'd say there needs to be a Powerglove brought back.

obviously force-feedback underwear. makes all those sexual games come to life!

ok seriously, i have no idea. knowing nintendo, it'll either be something way out there and weird that everyone will have to accept, something weird and way out there that will be freaking awesome, or something that everyone expected, and it will fall flat on its face (such as, THE WII WILL INTERFACE WITH THE DS! AMAZING).

I wouldn't mind it if the Wii interfaced, connected, and did really interesting stuff with the DS. There's just that aura of wireless that's powerful. It could be a good thing!

it could be a good thing, but it wouldn't be earth-shattering :)

though, wireless communication would be nice- no need to buy a damn link

It would be nice if the DS connected to the Wii so you could download content for games, or even download entire games and then play them via the wireless connection between the DS and Wii. That could work well for GBA games as well!

It would be interesting if Nintendo decided to have replacable hardware ... for example, an updated graphix processor every 1-2 years or so ... like a computer, basically, but easier.

Not to be totally off topic, but who is that in your avatar Smoodle?!


Oh and I believe Wii is gonna be sweet. Can't wait for Tuesday!!!!

Ouch, I would not like that at all.

The problem that creates is that future games will not work on the older "non-upgraded" hardware.

Thus, less people would buy them.

Thus, less developers would make use of said hardware in order to make the most money.

How many games used the N64 memory expansion pak or the PS2 hard drive?

I wished that developers would have realized this all the way back when the Sega CD and 32X add-ons were released.

No. Leave that for PC.

What we would want more is for consoles to survive longer than the 5-year cycle they always seem to go through!!! I mean, my girlfriend brought her GCN days before the Revolution was announced in E3 2005. Was she pissed to find out it could play GCN games!

Adopt something along the lines of Sony. 10-year longevity for the consoles.

She's the lovely actress Naomi Watts.

Double Post:
And I agree, now that I think about it, that having upgrades would be a pain in the ass in the long run. I wonder if they've got some sort of head-gear of sorts that has a sensor in it like the controler does. I think it would be cool to use your head to control the camera or something. I'm just trying to think of possibilities of what the "new, exciting and unknown" aspect of the console is.

"Virtual boy-ish" head sensor? Hmm...

If I remember correctly, IGN speculated one time that they interviewed some filmmakers about some new thing there a picture would be presented in 3D, like for example, watching a movie in the room and the picture fills up the room. And apparently one member of the conference made a comment that,

HE KNEW OF ONE GAMING CONSOLE THAT WOULD USE THIS TECHNOLOGY.

Ah I love pre-e3. I can write anything and its legitamite (until Nintendo proves me wrong on Tuesday). Even stuff from IGN.

Am I the only one who took note of that article when it came out?

I think I recall the article vaguely.

I really think is that whatever Nintendo has going on, it's primarily going to be associated with the name. Something to do with "we" the collective, multiplayer, etc. etc. They really banked ALOT on the "Wii" name and in my mind there has to be something more to it than what they've yet shown.

I totally expect them to unveil something that has to do with people playing together ...something that we won't expect... and the Wii name will make quite a bit more sense.

What that is I can only speculate. Maybe a special thing to do with the Wi-Fi service/multiplayer options; or maybe some weird split-screen concept (like those dual-view LCD's that Sharp made, two fullscreen images w/ one screen). Maybe they have some way of doing stereo-vision images with normal TV's (aka. 3-D display technology) without glasses.

Whatever they unveil, I do expect the Big N to ship Wii's with 2 remotes (w/ nunchaks), or 1 remote (w/ nunchak) and 1 game (like old school systems!!) and sell for $199.

How about no more costly add-ons and Nintendo just sticks with the remote? I want them to focus on making games, not gimmicks.

Excuse me, but can you take the time to explain to me what the fuck that means?

It means exactly how it reads. No more bongos, extra ram, pikachu mic, E-Reader, and so on. We have a remote that can do pretty much anything, so let's stick with that instead of spending extra cash on some add-ons that only get used in 1-2 games.

Too bad, Nintendo are focusing 100% on gimmicks.

I don't mind add-ons as long as they are free, like the bongos were.

YEAH CALL OF DUTY 3 CONFIRMED FOR REV WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooo

Good signs. 3rd party games as big as Call of Duty on Wii helps the future look brighter. GIVE US MORE!!!

(Oh shit! Did the clock stop?!! NOO!!! E3's still 2 days awaaaay!!!)

DOUBLE POST:
Oh man, I'm looking around other forums and hardly anyone likes the Wii name! Bloody, non-imaginative and cowardly conservatists!!! Why does no one think the name is cool? Wii! Short and simple.

And it affects people. No one's sat down and said, "Oh, it's Nintendo Eclipse. Cool. Next." Everyone's been like WTOMGF?

This makes me all but sad:
http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/1...96wu1bx.th.jpg
Slowly but surely I'm getting excited about this game. If Nibris keeps what it promises that'll be one hell of a game. Somehow I've got confidence in that company. And I'm sure Nintendo helps them a lot during development.

Nintendo turned them down when Nibris asked them to be their publisher.

Looks like real life video to me. I'll have to see in-game stuff to get excited. But the idea is cool, I'll have to agree.

That picture kinda worries me. Either Wii's specs and power were severly underestimated, or that's a real-life human being, meaning that the game uses a mixture of cheesy live-action and CG graphics.

If it's the latter then I'm gonna be on the brink of ruling the game out. Using live-action for videogames never turns out to be a good thing. (With the exception of maybe the fighters in the Mortal Kombat series during it's early days).


As for people hating the name Wii, it's getting annoying. I mean, yeah I can understand not everyone loving it, but seriously how old are these people? 7? Making a piss or penis joke with the name was mildly amusing the first five times, but now it's just retarded. OK we get it, they like SERIOUS consoles with SERIOUS and BADASS sounding names. Because they want a system that has MATURE and BLOODY games for their MATURE taste. Games that let them play as a badass riding a motorcycle where he shoots out chainsaws on fire out of machine-guns. OK. =/

(Oh it's also really annoying when people writing articles on Wii write Wii's name like this: revolutionWii. What the hell? People need to get over it already.)

I'm going to be EXTREMELY pissed if there is no data/video/images on Super Smash Bros Wii. That is all.

I don't know, Nibris seems more like a concept studio rather than a game development studio. These types of game companies tend to go under fast, but we'll have to see how it turns out.

DITTO.

Of all the things related to Wii, I hope that SOME info is given (next to the other shitload of features, such as a beta list for the Virtual Console).

It's a live action shot, see their other images on IGN. The only images that have been released for the "game" are concept art and live action pictures.

Eff that! It's all about Wiitroid Prime 3!

Super Smash Bros Wii is confirmed to be playable at the show by someone from IGN I think.

The TRAILER is live action, but doesnt mean the game is.
They're using an actor to demonstrate how you can play the game.
If you look closely at the shots of the chick in modern day clothing, you'll notice she's standing in front of a TV, holding a revmote.

Assuming there is gameplay footage in the trailer, I reckon IGN is held by an NDA, and so they can only reveal the live-action bits of the trailer, but not the game footage, until E3.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...min9/sad01.jpg

http://revolutionmedia.ign.com/revol...4112612027.jpg
this could easily be an in-game shot. the shading's more simple-looking than llive-action shots would look, though it does look completely kickass.

The guy looks pretty cool. But it bothers me how it looks like he was just copied and pasted against some background. It's like a really bad green-screen scene in a movie.

Where's the guy? That's a girl.

Quoted for the truth!

I dont want to have to buy a DS and hook it up to my Wii just to beat a game a already paid $50 for.

Fucking Crystal Chronicles.

I think Nintendo have learnt from that mistake.

Though what's wrong with other add-ons? The bongoes, mic, etc. when they cost nothing, they came free and without them you wouldn't be able to play certain genres, for instance many music games focus on add-ons. Is the music genre a gimmick?

Wasn't Donkey Kong Jungle Beat $60 when it first came out?

That would be the bongos you just spent the extra $10 on. :tpg:

Despite what I said, though, I can think of at least 2 add-ons for the remote that would be pretty cool. Unnecessary, but cool.

1. A gun part that you can attach the remote too, for shooting games. The remote would basically sit on the top of the attachment, acting as the chamber. The only question is how to get the trigger to work.

2. A small speaker-like device you can attach to create Lightsaber FX. Every time you swing the remote, you get the usual Lightsaber noise, same if you strike something with it. Similar speaker devices with different sound effects would be kind of neat too.

Shut up about the gimmicks, SOLDIER. I paid $70 for Guitar Hero. I don't go calling that a gimmick because it came with an add-on and costed more than the usual $50 fare.

Also, I don't think anyone should have a problem with connectivity this time around. Most people who are interested are also people who own a DS or are interested in getting a DS and let's face it it's the handheld gaming device to own. Since it is wireless you don't have to go buy a cable to connect it to the Wii which was a big factor of why people disliked GBA-GCN connectivity. I hope Nintendo does some very interesting things with the DS and the Wii talking to each other.

No.

It was $50.

In fact, the bongo-less version was $40, so it actually LOWERED the price of the game. :D

Did you just admit to not being able to finish the game without three other people helping? http://img105.exs.cx/img105/9195/j5bmutantbaby.gif

So the bongos were not free after all.

Hay guyz this be Nintendo Wii thread heyr. Wots goin on?

Seriously, what the fuck is with you guys and getting in a hissy fit over Donkey Kong Jungle Beat IN EVERY GOD DAMN THREAD?!

Get back on topic Acer! The Wii is based on a gimmick, we're allowed to talk abuot gimmicks.
Well if you bought the Bongo-less version you'd already have the bongos that came free with Donkey Konga.

Here's a pic that might be related to Wii
http://static.flickr.com/48/140552479_86e0cf5662.jpg

Everyone is still very angry that Donkey Kong Jungle Beat didn't have an intense storyline, it just had gameplay. "WHERE IS MY ANGSTY STORYLINE AND J-POP?", everyone cries. And shake their fists towards Nintendo Japan. "HOW DARE YOU MAKE A FUN GAME THAT PROMOTES BEING PHYSICALLY ACTIVE AS I PLAY. I cannot eat chips as I play this game, worst game ever made. Bring on the true sequel to Donkey Kong 64!"

Those wounds will never heal!

I bet they do contain Wii demo stations. But one of those crates also contains Reggie. WHICH ONE? Will anyone want to risk their life to find out? WHAT IF THEY CHOOSE THE REGGIE ONE. REGGIE GUARDS THEM. There will be certain doom.

Ahahahaha laughing so hard at the thought of Reggie in one of the crates :tpg:

He's in the horizontal one of course, he's shorter than most people realize.

I only have one question, and it regards the Wii, Nintendo in general, and then not only Nintendo

What the hell is wrong with a gimmick? I can think of nothing

Nothing is wrong with gimmicks as long as they are not relied apon, for instance your aren't going to base a console around a microphone attachment. The Wii controller is different, it's gimmicky, but it's a gimmick with depth.

Nintendo has an Impossible Mission to accomplish to sucessfully market the Wii name.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...9/wiiii9nf.jpg
my friend did this in Fireworks after seeing the movie XD

Now, if only the movie had a scene where Tom Cruise uses the Wii controller to blow up Iraq, it'll sell like hotcakes (presuming people overlook the fact that Tom Cruise is the one doing it).

i usually associate "gimmick" with things like the 64DD or the gamecube's microphone or the NES's lightgun - only used in a couple of games, and wasn't integral to the system.

gamecube's "gimmick" is quite integral to the system- without it, the system is just a souped-up gamecube. even if we're thinking of it as a gimmick now, we probably won't in the near future.

i'm still reserving judgement on the system until i try it out. i might hate it; i might love it- i have no way of knowing (though i have a feeling that, while it will feel odd to use, it'll grow on me, and the fact that nintendo makes the games they make won't hurt my disposition either).

REGGIE will BURST out of the crate on stage to start the E3 press conference. He'll then turn around and kick what's left of the crate into the crowd, hopefully hitting the IGN section. They won't be hard to find because they're the ones who screamed when Reggie jumped from the crate.

Anything after that is trivial, hopefully they show some game footage.

I cannot properly retort without sounding like an asshat, but I assure you that that crock of shit game barely needed one person to beat it.

Soooooooo broken.

The secret is a pair of glasses that you wear. It helps you see the image on the screen as if you are right in front of it - no matter which angle you are looking at the screen. It also provides stereo-vision. But it's not required.

Nintendo Wii = nintendo revival?
 

It's just my guess, but don't you think Nintendo Wii could become the moment of Nintendo's revival? Since ps3 is hell more expensive than any other consoles, I think nintendo has the chance to dominate once more. Even though the processor is below ps3 and xbox, we could expect a lot of unique gameplay.

discuss

(if the similar thread has been made, feel free to merge or lock this up:))

I just merged this with the existing thread. :)

I'd have just locked it but whatever. If you guys feel like discussing that in here then fine.

Could Nintendo dominate once more? It's possible but there are too many variables/obstacles. The largest being the games. Will Marwiio and the other launch titles truly offer something new, like Mario 64 did when it launched? Also Nintendo claims that they've an impressive amount of games for launch, but we all know how they love to delay games. After all Metroid Prime was huge for the gamecube, and had it been released as a launch title like it was supposed along with the mediocre Mario Sunshine I think the previous race would have played out a little differently. In short if the they don't bunggle the launch they have a fighting chance.

Metroid Prime would have completely sucked if it had been released at launch by horrible up-start Retro Studios. Apparantly you know very little of that company's early history. Nintendo had to bitch slap them several times before Metroid Prime became even remotely similar to what it is today.

Again a lot of games that came out later in the cube's life would have been great to have in the launch year but time just doesn't work that way, buddy. What happened, happened.

As long as they play their cards right, then Nintendo should at least be able to sweep back to second place. Goodon!

What to I mean by the right cards? AAA First-Party games. AAA third party support. Tap into the non-gamer market. Appeal to hardcore fans by making games that really exemplify the meaning, "Revolution". DS-Wii compatibility to be more versitile than the GBA-GCN connection. Simple but deep online capabilities. Cheap. CLEVER MARKETING (actually, make that MORE marketing). More new IP. More balanced range in general and mature games. Taking old franchises and smacking them into the "new generation" (as the 64 did for Mario and Zelda).

If they're doing what they're doing for the DS, then no doubt Nintendo can pick themselves up again.

EDIT: Oh, and more exclusives. Pay your way through this generation, Nintendo!

I don't think Nintendo is capable of coming out on top unless they tap into the ferocious retards that are the "gamers who play games like Madden to help sustain their jock image." If they truly want to take over this generation, they need some really hot sports titles. Games like Madden have done all but rule the gaming scene lately. It's time for something fresh, damn it. Some people who play games play nothing but sports games. It's sad, but true. This market is ripe for a revolution.

Why buy Madden 07 for PS3 when it's nothing more than a graphic/roster update? Wii Madden will introduce totally new gameplay mechanics that is sure to impress some of these meatheads.

It will be probably impossible to sway the morons who think that "Nintendo is kiddie" and "Wii doesn't have alot of buttons therefore TEH SUCK!" In otherwords, the closed-minded. People who don't WANT to find something to like about the Wii, people who don't want to explode beyond what Sony or Microsoft have to offer. Why? They simply don't care enough to.

Nintendo needs to tap into everyone else. If they can sway the majority of gamers, they may come out on top like they did in the glory days.

I think Wii is going to take the marketplace by storm. I don't know if Nintendo will come out on top, but seriously think about this for a moment. You can actually play with your games. Interact, physically, like we've always wanted to.

I think it's going to be big, bigger than some think.

As for NIBRIS, I haven't got much faith in them. I'd like to, because they seem serious, and they have a stylish website, and Sadness sounds awesome, but they've got to release something with substance before anyone takes them seriously.

All they need is to buy the share of square enix and force them to release FF series in Wii. That will be enough for millions SE fanboys to purchase a Wii.
I still love nintendo the best, I grew with it, too bad their own stupidity kick their butt out of the league (the Snes Play Station project, oh nintendo, how stupid were you!)

http://revolution.ign.com/articles/705/705607p1.html

Summary:
Squenix is backing the Wii with two new titles which will be announced later today. According to the post, the titles are suspected to be a Crystal Chronicles sequel and a new Dragon Quest for Wii.

Guess we'll know soon enough, but if the Wii is getting Dragon Quest, that is VERY good news indeed.

- WraithTwo -

Holy marcral! Since when did SE start to support Nintendo? All I remember is them ditching Nintendo for using cart instead of CD... and some remade-FF came out for GBA for milking...

Well, that's pretty much why they made Crystal Chronicles: so Nintendo would let them make GBA games. I wonder if the Dragon Quest game will be like that, where it has the name but otherwise doesn't bear much resemblance to the other games in the series. Guess we'll find out if they release some images or footage of it.

Actually most of SE's E3 lineup is for Nintendo systems. Nintendo is getting a lot of love.

Also, I will be closing this short lived thread sometime in the future because well the nintendo conference is tomorrow and all.

Talk about what you expect from the Wii and stuff and the conference and any new info for now. Just look forward to a new thread tomorrow.

You guys, Sony just stole Wii's main feature. :( . Their controler has some sort of movement sensor. I wonder how this'll effect Wii.

It'll either make Wii look a lot better or a lot worse.

It's Nintendos turn now, I can't wait to see what Reggie has to say.

Nintendo's conference is tomorrow? What time will this take place? The Nintendo Wii is the only other thing I'm interested in this year. ._.

I saw what I wanted to see today with Sony. Now I gotta see what Nintendo does.

I just hope Wii's last big secret is something huge now that Sony ripped them off. Again.

That's true, they do have a big secret to reveal. I can't fucking wait to see it.

I'm going to bet right here and now that the price of the system will be $249. Anyone else?

My thoughts after the sony conference:

1. Wii has a DQ launch title, DQ being known for being more popular than Final Fantasy in Japan (and we still haven't seen the Nintendo conference)
2. Wii will most likely be at a 2-for-1 price point compared to the PS3
3. None of the games shown at PS3's press event were said to be launch titles, we have no idea when the first must-have game will come along (this might change, although, MGS4 was shown to be 2007, FFXIII certainly isn't coming out this year...what else that they showed is going to make people plunk down $500 immediately to get a PS3?)

We haven't even seen Nintendo's press conference and at this point the Wii looks likely to take off much better than PS3, particularly in Japan.

I know the Nintendo Wii has to sell alot just because of the low price. There's no way I can afford the PS3, no matter how much I want it. The 360 is still expensive too. So I'll end up getting the Nintendo Wii first. =/ I assume this will probably be the same for alot of people..

Yeah, also, none of the MAJOR games seemed to support PS3's controler's motion sensing capabilities. It definately doesn't seem like something they'll genuinly follow up on.

Now THAT's a news. I only could guess Nintendo has won the license for FF CC and DQ, but it would be slim chance if the real FF series published in Wii. Sony wouldn't like that since they are shareholder of SE.

Dragon Quest? I'm just waiting for the soundtrack and symphonic suite, but that's clever move, many japanese would buy Wii only to play that game.

Shit dude, I wouldn't be surprised if they set it at $200. All signs are pointing towards N5 making Sony look retarded this generation.

Things are looking better for the Wii, true. I'm definitely pleased about the two new FF:CC games! Dragon Quest coming to the system is an interesting move, but I don't see it staying there, to be honest.

The Wii could win on price point alone, but where are the games? Outside of it's horrid price point, the PS3 still has FF, VF, Tekken, and MGS - games that, unlike Dragon Quest, sell in big numbers all over the world. I wonder what the third parties are going to show tomorrow?

Especially after this bomb was dropped:

http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/rele...f/060509ae.pdf

No HDMI output on the base model
No Memory card slot on the base model
No Wi-Fi on the base model

Nice knowing ya, Sony.

Heh, I saw all that! Still, even with that large, gaping hole in their arsenal, it'll depend on the games. Unless the Wii is $200. Then, I'd say Sony has a uphill battle.

I looking forward to both the Wii and the PS3, I will buy the Wii first as its cheaper and then buy the PS3 at a later year. Jesus, I better start saving up my money faster, so much stuff I want to buy are coming out!

Well that's what tommorow's press conference is for. It seems like Wii's definately atracting a lot more 3rd parties than the GC though. I think it'll be treated by the 3rd party companies just like the DS is. Which is just great. Also, don't forget the AAA 1st party titles.

Zelda and FF CC would be good reason to buy Wii. Oh yeah, i wonder if third party publishers like Konami, Namco, and Typemoon will publish their franchises to Wii.

I think Sony failed when Squenix decided to have the KH team do a SEQUEL for an UNRELEASED Final Fantasy XIII.

Yeah guys, thanks for killing Sony *shot for being stupid*

Erhem, I don't think Sony is being very bright in the marketing department right now.

Maybe because the CEO is a westerner now. you know, it's rare to see that westerners have top positions in japanese company

Ehh, many people probably won't even notice the difference. For your typical uneducated consumer, they'll see the $500 price point and won't care to "upgrade" their console. Really, it depends on if they care about unwired online play or have an HDMI connection on their HDTV (isn't the reason Nintendo isn't supporting HD formats because they say not enough people HAVE HDTVs to justify it? Of those, even less have HDMI ports on their HDTV, and since no other console offers that capability, it's not like they're losing customers because of it). Those things alone CERTAINLY aren't enough to throw the console back into third place if it was going to be poised to take the top spot.

With that said, these "basic" models and the Wii seem to focus on your typical consumer that isn't interested in the bells and whistles with their console. Most will still end up buying a console in order to play games, they don't care much about value or flexability. Nintendo would be smart to advertise the Wii as having "everything you need for a gaming experience". I'm sure many previous console owners have been burned when they found out they needed to buy a $30 just to save their games. Even a simple thing like saying "512MB of built in flash memory to save and download games!" would probably help the Wii's marketing.

As far as the Wii's "secrets", rumor has it that the controller has a speaker built into it. So for example, the sound of your gun firing in an FPS can be made from the controller itself instead of on your normal speakers. A neat little gimmick, gotta hand it to Nintendo to come up with an efficient feature like that which offers something unique without costing much to add (I mean how much does including a speaker into the controller cost? Maybe 25 cents?). I'm a bit worried that this means the chance of having a microphone on the controller is practically non-existant, though.

Rumor has it that the Wii controller has a speaker in it which will make sounds like if you fire a gun or connect with a sword.

http://www.lakituslair.com/Post10004.aspx

If true, I hope that when Mario Kart Wii is eventually out, the little speaker will boom out the same noise DK makes when you choose him in Mario Kart DS. ALL THE TIME. Imagine racing to that all day, it'd basically make it the greatest game ever made. "A WEE HEE, A WEE HEE, A WEE HEE".

The secret better be more than that...

Speaker in the controller isn't a "major point" of anything. (at least it shouldn't be)

Sometimes I think Nintendo = Apple.

They are just so damn creative when publishing their product!

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I suppose you're right... I mean, things would be a lot easier for Nintendo if they had such big, notable franchises with long histories like the Mario series, or Zelda or Metroid or Donkey Kong or ok you get the picture you're wrong.

Not only is Sony's motion sensor inferior (it doesn't sense orientation...) but it's also nearly impossible to use because you need two hands on the controller. ANY motions, therefore, would be extremely awkward and painful. Finally, the sacrifice of vibration might be a bit too much for such a shitty implementation of motion detection... give me a vibrating controller in a fishing game, rather than asking me to flail 60% of my body weight at the screen to cast a line.

Also, Sony's not a company that's very conducive to innovation. Care for an example? Eyetoy. Aside from DDR, not a single 3rd party game used that. How about the Dual Shock 2? Pressure Sensitive buttons ZOMG! How many games used that, though? Metal Gear and Silent Hill. Woo. Thanks Sony, I just paid an extra 10-20 dollars for your shitty unresponsive controller so I could have pressure sensitivity in one game.

Sony's mentality, especially with the PS3, has been and will be "make the game look good above all else." They won't push the motion sensor thing onto developers at all, just like they didn't push the Eyetoy or the pressure sensitive Dualshock 2.

For Wii's Launch in Japan:

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/...509/sqex01.jpg

Also, as it was noted up there, it seems the secret for the WiiMote will be built-in speakers which is a pretty sweet idea.

Price is being pointed as being 249$US at launch. Also, the Virtual Console games are set to cost a few dollars for NES games, 5$ for SNES games and 10$ for N64.

All this is waiting to be confirmed tomorrow.

Seriously guys, first time that I'm TRUELY waiting the Nintendo system. Bought it in the past at launch but this year is special!

Well not everything for the cube was accepted either, dude. The shoulder trigger click was used in only a few games.

Playing Driver: Parallel Lines and it's got pressure sensitives integrated for all the buttons including the Ls and Rs.

Do you have any idea how much $200 was "worth" back in 1985 when the NES was released? $500 nowadays for what's seen as a "multimedia entertainment machine" is hardly out of the question, people are paying $500 just for HD-DVD players. The market for the Wii isn't the same as the market for the PS3. People aren't go "well I was GOING to get a Blu-ray/DVD/game player for $500, but I think I'll get a Wii instead since it costs less".

Sega SuperStars? Tony Hawk: American Wasteland? The Urbz? Granted, the last two was just to import your face into the game, but it was used nonetheless.


Plus Zone of the Enders, Madden, GTA, Ridge Racer, even games like Baldor's Gate Dark Alliance. I doubt the analog sensitivity cost much to add though.

But really, this is getting off topic. Lets not debate the PS2/PS3 features here unless it somehow relates to the Wii. Complaining about PS2 hardware that was underused really doesn't have much purpose outside the PS2 or possibly PS3 thread.

A speaker in the controller? Is that it? Sorry, but that's fucking gay, and not exciting in the least.

I agree, nothing to be excited over. I hope Nintendo puts on a good show. Looking forward to another TP trailer.

I don't think so. Sony's mentality is about giving developers a wider palette of paints and a larger canvas. I think both Nintendo and Sony are advancing the industry towards developers doing things they previously couldn't, just in different ways (Sony's ripping of the Wii remote excluded :doh: ).

Guys, I think I'm gonna go to bed right now, dreaming about all the great Multiplayer games and gameplay mechanics we'll all be able to experience in groups.

Wow. I'll be praying that Nintendo makes good tomorrow!

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Alright, that was gay.

I'll be at a business meeting starting at 9:00 EST... *sigh*

I really hope I can get back here by 12:30... Or at the very least, 1:00 so I can see SOME of the events unfold.

Anyway, viva la revolution. Tomorrow is gonna be a good day!

Yeah I can't wait. I'll be able to catch some of the conference at school, but won't be able to post anything here! I'll be itching till I get home! Damn is it exciting in here or what though?

In fact... I can't actually think of any games that did. I never even knew that was a feature, i always just thought it was a confirmation that you were pushing the trigger all the way (I could never tell with an xbox controller...)

No, they aren't going that way, because a very small niche of people is going "I'm going to spend 500 on a hi-def movie player" at all. In my hometown of 30,000 citizens, I would be surprised if 100 of them even knew about the existence of Blu-ray or HD-DVD. the other 29,900, when being told about it, would reply with "Why should I spend 500 on another DVD player, my movies look fine the way they are?"

Also, money might be worth a lot less now, but people (especially parents and other nontechnical types who will be forced to buy PS3s) are still going to remember the last time they bought a playstation and think "wow, this didn't cost me 600 dollars last time, why should I buy this?"

At the risk of getting offtopic though... the speaker-in-remote plan is a horrible idea. The speaker will have to be small, like a Gameboy/DS speaker, and thus any sound produced would be highpitched and tinny. Which would kill the illusion of immersion created by my 5.1 sound system when i have gun sounds coming out of my hand that sound like they are from a $5 kids' toy.

Oh yeah, some random thoughts in my mind... perhaps Nintendo taking advantage of Sony's walkman brand that appears anywhere with W. That's why the name of the console become Wii, it really reminds me of Sony's walkman really. and not to mention, the additional "ii" make it sounds more digital like iPod.

I'm hoping that it will at least be good enough to make sounds like gunshots or lightsabers fairly accurately. It doesn't have to be super strong, but it would seem pretty pointless if it only made sounds that seem like they were ripped from an NES game.

In other news, Sega has announced an exclusive Sonic game for the Wii. From the sound of it, the "next gen" Sonic the Hedgehog that was already shown will only be on the PS3/Xbox 360, while Wii gets it's own Sonic game.

Honestly, it sounds pretty silly. "Sonic's new adventure unfolds from a storybook of the classic tale, Arabian Nights, the last several pages from the book have gone missing, and it's up to Sonic to re-create the story."...huh? That sounds like a plot for a really bad episode of Dora the Explorer. And holding the controller sideways to maneuver left and right? So you'd just use the controller to slide back and forth as you follow a railed path? That sounds like a Mario Party minigame more than a section of a Sonic game. Yeesh, I actually like the direction he's taking in the Xbox 360/PS3 game better.

Well, I guess we'll have to see some gameplay videos, I'm hoping they were just referring to the minigames and such when they were talking about those "innovative" uses for the Wii controller. And they said that you can look at screens from the game on their FTP, but I don't see any sign of it.

Could it really be true? A Sonic game that JUST HAS SONIC? It's like some kind of weird miracle. Waiting for Sega to announce twenty seven new sidekicks.

http://www.sega.com/e3/2006/images/W...ic_art_wht.jpg
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For reasons why Sony's "motion sensor" won't work, head over to the wonderful (sarcasm) guys at IGN:

http://revolution.ign.com/articles/705/705870p1.html

Though most of what they say is quite true. How could you hold a controller and be able to swing it? People complaining about having to move with a Wiimote won't have to scapegoat it anymore.

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Heh, looks like IGN's Matt was right about there being an exclusive Sonic game for Wii all along. =)

How does that say anything about the motion sensor not working? It just describes how the controller works and compares to the Wii controller. In fact they point out specific examples where the PS3's tilt sensitivity would work the same as the Wii controller. Also I don't think you actually have to *move* the PS3 controller, it just responds to tilt. Swinging it would be pointless.

They have similarities, but the Wii controller actually senses movement in 3d space whereas the PS3 controller senses tilt. Both will work for some things, while other things would require the full motion detection of the Wii controller.

Edit: wow, is it almost time for Nintendo's conference already? Maybe I should stay up for it anyway. Oh, and I'm absolutely terrible with time zones...what time does it start in Central Standard Time?

About an hour before EST so that should be 11:30 AM CST if I'm not mistaken.

I didn't say won't work as in disfunctional, I'm saying it as compared to Wii, the tilt function of the PS3 controller is rather superfluous. Didn't need to sacrifice many things just to make a tilt-able controller (which'll probably come off as a secondary thing) such as the rumble.

DOUBLE POST: To keep to the thread though, here;s hoping a revival of Kid Icarus or a brand new IP altogether.

Who long will this pads batteries last? 2 hours?
Internal circuitry + motion sensor + wireless transmition + rumble + speaker + nunchuku (or WTF it's called) internal circuitry + nunchuku accelerometer
I would be amazed if it lasted 2 hours that it...

$249 ?!? That almost how much a XBox 360 costs and I would laugh if MS will reduced the price just to nag Nintendo :)

No game I have use it... it's one of those things that look awsome in the paper but when it comes to real life usage it's useless. Just try to think as a game dev and see how hard it to make use of both the pressure trigger and the digital trigger without messing with each other.

I laugh at those who discart a Sonic game because of it's story, it's a Sonic game, not FF! All it needs is good level design and if it was up to me the next Sonic game story would be: Press start screen -> Level loading screen -> Start running :)

Now if you are talking about control Sonic is one of the (nearly 99,99%) of the games I play that makes no sense to control with the Wii-mote... to me this Wii pad is just a markthing gimmie that won't last long, it's kinda like reinventing the spoon, but what do I know, I've been wrong both times when I said that Dreamcast and Gamecube would blow Sony and MS.

I'm sure Nintendo has come a long way since Wavebird, the first official first party wireless controller. If that's any indication then the battery will last a while. This isn't a PSP. If there's one company you can trust for battery use, it's Nintendo. I hope the external port for the attachments is used as a way to charge the batteries. We'll see.

Last I checked the 360 was still damn expensive like 400 bucks and widely unavailable. I expect a price drop but I expect the Wii to still be much cheaper.

It was used for the early cube games and Nintendo's games. Rogue Leader had it to open and close X-foils. I think Mario Sunshine used it somehow with FLUDD. It wasn't used a whole lot but it was there.

Isn't this thread closed yet?

Well as long as it's open I suggest a "what's the surprise this year" game until 15mins before the conference. Maybe?

The next Game Boy ^_^.

I hope not, E3 for Nintendo this year should be all about DS and Wii. I don't want the next GameBoy to steal any thunder from upcoming DS news.

Some days ago rumours about one last big GameCube game surfaced. Something which will surprise us all.

1hrs 25mins and 30seconds according to Gamespot.

New guess: Nintendo to announce 3D projection when playing Wii.

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