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DragoonKain Dec 6, 2006 04:23 PM

Anyone here work at an EB or a Gamestop by any chance?

SouthJag Dec 6, 2006 11:37 PM

*raises hand* Sup?

DragoonKain Dec 7, 2006 02:08 AM

Nevermind, I no longer need to ask the question.

I got myself a PS3 today though. A 60 giger. Didn't hook it up yet but looking forward to it.

Soldier Dec 7, 2006 02:12 AM

Tommorow the PSN Store is expected to update with Go Sudoku 2 (pass) Lemmings 2 (maybe) and a Genji 2 demo (definate). I'm just wondering when that Tekken: Dark Resurrection game will be available (they said "very soon").

Funny how with the announcement of this game being ported to PS3, we're also getting ports of Prince of Persia (not sure which one) and Mortal Kombat Armageddon for Wii. I forsee a new trend coming (do you go for ports with visual upgrades or play style upgrades?).

Cobalt Katze Dec 7, 2006 03:57 AM

Lemmings 2 all the way baybee :D I'll have impressions once I've played it, assuming it gets added tomorrow.

WolfDemon Dec 7, 2006 04:42 AM

Man, I really hope they fix all the problems the PS3 has within the next couple of years or so, or I may not be getting one, MGS4 or no. The fact that you have to buy a separate piece just to be able to use PS1/2 memory cards and certain controllers (Excluding the guitar, so I hear) is a HUGE turnoff for me. Not to mention the constant freezing during gameplay and...

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Originally Posted by http://www.us.playstation.com/Support/CompatibleStatus

Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening
When the user's character opens a door, the "warping" sound effect plays overlapped by a static noise.

Final Fantasy IX
Throughout gameplay and FMA's when the user's character walks up or down on screen and the camera pans up or down to follow the movement, four transparent horizontal lines appear across the screen.

Final Fantasy VII
On Disc 1, when the first battle begins at the Mako Reactor, a flashing black square appears around the user's character's pointer.

Final Fantasy VIII
Throughout gameplay, when the user's party encounters a random enemy in the "world map" and the "pre-battle" transistion screen appears, approximately 40 - 60% of the "pre-battle" transition screen appears black, and the remaining portion of the screen appears corrupted. (!)

Silent Hill
Throughout gameplay, when the user's character shoots an enemy, a medium pitched tone plays.

Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence (Normal and Limited Editions respectively)
During gameplay, with 1 PS3 user hosting a Team Deathmatch Game Type, and 5 other users as clients, the host is randomly disconnected, and is unable to reconnect.

Throughout the title, with the PS3 using HDMI out, the screen appears divided horizontally, and both of the divided portions of the screen display out of sync from one another. (!)

I understand a new system will have its kinks to work out, but Sony really needs to get their shit together. As far as I know, Nintendo has always put out a new system and gotten everything (functionality-wise) right the first time. I'm no Nintendo fanboy in the least, but Sony has really shot itself in the foot this time. The PS2's Disc Read Error fiasco is a joke compared to this.

Kairi Li Dec 7, 2006 04:48 AM

Wow, can't even get their major PSX and PS2 franchises working properly... Just wait for the lesser known or obscure titles... (Like ICO for one, apparently it flickers as you play or watch cutscenes >_<)

Its obvious from the beginning that almost anyone who buys a Sony PS3 on launch MONTH is gullible or ignorant, or just downright impatient. From past consoles, be it handheld or not, it always had annoying bugs when it first launched, but man, the PS3 seems to really hit it bad. Hasn't Sony heard of the term "testing"? No wait, I forgot, Sony like its fans wants to rush the thing out before they're ready cause they're bloody impatient. While I'm happy for people who got it early cause they really wanted, I see no reason why they can't wait a little longer, unless their PS2 is so busted and the PS3 price seems to justify for the individual for some reason.

Who wants to bet the crap won't be fixed even when big titles like MGS4, FF13 or hell even the unannounced KH3 comes out? I don't think that adding Blue Ray amongst Sony's usual bugs is gonna make things any easier.

SouthJag Dec 7, 2006 06:00 AM

Here's what I'd like to know -- how are people playing these games? Sounds like a stupid question, but the games I've tried on my PS3 always ask me to plug up a PS2 controller first.

WolfDemon, you're aware that Nintendo's first Wii update caused some of their systems to brick, aren't you? Nintendo's not without their launch kinks either. I seem to recall a few hinges breaking on the DS Lite I believe shortly after its launch.

Kairi, why is it that someone who buys a system at launch is ignorant or gullible? Not everyone's having problems with their PS3s, such as myself. And I think you misunderstand what it means to launch a system. If they kept delaying it just to test every single game they've already got, the system wouldn't be out until 2010. When testing a system, you can't just go through some checklist to get every bug. It's gonna take some random coincidences to find them all.

Honestly, the PS3's come off their launch relatively stable. So what, 200 games out of 8,000 aren't backwards compatible. Is that such a bad thing?

WolfDemon Dec 7, 2006 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by SouthJag
WolfDemon, you're aware that Nintendo's first Wii update caused some of their systems to brick, aren't you? Nintendo's not without their launch kinks either. I seem to recall a few hinges breaking on the DS Lite I believe shortly after its launch.

First I've heard of it.

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Honestly, the PS3's come off their launch relatively stable. So what, 200 games out of 8,000 aren't backwards compatible. Is that such a bad thing?
Well, I only looked up the games that I own, and that many turned up faulty. So yeah, it kinda is, for me at least.

Kilroy Dec 7, 2006 10:49 AM

In any case, it's better than what Xbox 360 managed. That you still can't play Psychonauts is tantamount to a crime.

Am I mistaken if I claim that some of the VC games on Wii have some slight problems too?

Cobalt Katze Dec 7, 2006 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SouthJag
Here's what I'd like to know -- how are people playing these games? Sounds like a stupid question, but the games I've tried on my PS3 always ask me to plug up a PS2 controller first.

Really? It just says to press the PS Button when I start mine up. So I do, and then it works. Not sure why it would ask you to plug in a PS2 controller, since to my knowledge you can't :o

As for me being gullible or ignorant? Not really. I'm not having any major issues, and I'll own this console for quite some time to come, playing whatever great games come out for it. Just like I did with the PS2. What happened of the 3-console rivalry after several years? People just got on with what they had and were content with what was offered for their system(s). The same'll happen this gen, so I don't really need anyone telling me I'm foolish for buying something earlier :) As far as the price, it's been a year and the 360 hasn't dropped in price even though it's lower to start out with. I wouldn't see the PS3's price dropping soon either though, especially considering that they still need to get to the point where profits are made.

Slayer X Dec 7, 2006 02:18 PM

I have yet to hear anything that major about PS3 problems yet myself. All the issues are just small software issues that Sony is constantly fixing. Ex. Tekken 5 was fixed the first week after the PS3 came out.

Also the failure rate of the PS1/2 emulation rate is 2.5%, whoopdy fucking doo. Can't play FFVII, spend $5 for a PS1 until the next update or go play a game for the $600 system you just purchased.

Most of Wolf's games (Ex: DMC3, FFVII, Silent Hill & MGS3) arn't anything that will really stop you, unless you really don't want to play them that bad and we're once again back to the $5 PS1 solution.

As for the save file issue, better then the 360's solution which is NON EXISTANT!!! Also you don't have to buy the PS3 adaptor, if you have a GameShark or Action Replay for the PS2 you can copy all your saves from your MemoryCard to a ThumbDrive, and then from that to your HDD, 20 second solution. Or spend the $10 for the bloody adaptor, or if you have a buddy who also needs one, split the price and there you go. It's really not that big of a deal.

Finally as Katze said, when it asks you to connect a controller you just hit the PS button on the SIXAXIS and you're set. Which is simpler then the Wii's setup.

Insert Dics -> Use Wiimote to navigate & start game -> Put away Wiimote and switch to wired GC controller... this is the biggest pain in the ass ever. Why can't I navigate the menu with the GC controller, can someone answer THAT one for me?

Katze: Sony never got the the point where they were making money off the hardware until May '05 so I think it's going to be the competition that guides the PS3's price and not profits. But like everyone else, I'm just making guesses based off of trends.

WolfDemon Dec 7, 2006 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Kilroy
In any case, it's better than what Xbox 360 managed. That you still can't play Psychonauts is tantamount to a crime.

I have to disagree with that. I'd rather have the game not work at all than have it work with glaring errors. That's why all those games don't work for 360 yet. Because they haven't fixed it to where it won't have shit like random noises playing over static or "40 - 60% of the "pre-battle" transition screen appears black, and the remaining portion of the screen appears corrupted."

Maybe that's just me.

Slayer X Dec 7, 2006 02:38 PM

I know I rather have it partially work because things like only 1st boss battle of FFVII has missing pointer doesn't really matter to me, and if I found out that that issue is what kept me from being able to play it on my PS3 day 1 I'd be pissed. On the other hand with the more serious issues like FFIX I wouldn't try playing the game, but I'd be happy knowing that they're working on it and that it's soon coming.

The 360 compatibility wouldn't be as big of a deal if it wasn't that about 91% of the games didn't work accompanied by the fact that Microsoft is no longer updating the BC ability from this point on. That doesn't make the failing games on the PS3 100% ok, but at least Sony is open about their issues and are devoted to getting the BC working 100% unlike Microsofts tactics of trying to control the market. (Ex. Madden '06 for the Xbox isn't 360 compatible because they want you to buy the $10 more 360 version... that crosses the line for me, trying to tell me what I can & can't do. Where Sony's like "you can do it, but it'll look like shit in comparison."

Rock Dec 7, 2006 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by WolfDemon
I have to disagree with that.

Approximately 95% of all PS2 games work perfectly fine on the PS3 without errors. The percentage of Xbox games playable on the 360 is significantly lower. What the PS3 manages in terms of backwards compatibility is far superior to the Xbox 360, no matter how you look at things.

Cetra Dec 7, 2006 02:48 PM

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I have to disagree with that. I'd rather have the game not work at all than have it work with glaring errors. That's why all those games don't work for 360 yet. Because they haven't fixed it to where it won't have shit like random noises playing over static or "40 - 60% of the "pre-battle" transition screen appears black, and the remaining portion of the screen appears corrupted."

Maybe that's just me.
Yeah it is just you. I'd rather have an out of the box 90+% compatibility rate. Seriously, are you even reading the problems here? These are small problems that crop up some of the time at specific points of the game. What exactly are you expecting here? For Sony to throughly playtest every PS1 and PS2 game to make sure every aspect of every game works correctly?

Yeah let's hold up the release of the PS3 for six months so the engineers can work out that problem with the black box around Cloud in the ten year old FF7.

TheReverend Dec 7, 2006 03:54 PM

Are any of you guys having the scaling issues? As in, 1080p games/content is downscaled to 480p when your TV can only accept 720p/1080i? I heard a bit about that and was wondering if that was a common issue.

Also, just a curious question here, how many of the PS3 owners here have HDTVs?

Cobalt Katze Dec 7, 2006 04:14 PM

The main issue I have is BluRay playback. Since my monitor has a native res of 1680x1050, I can't quite hit the 1080p mark (30 pixels off, ugh) so I run everything in 720p. Unfortunately, the PS3's BR playback is either 1080p or 480p, with no scaling up or down to fit my 720... So as a result, the quality looks about equal to a DVD, which is really unfortunate. Games, though, pretty much all have 720p resolutions and so I don't have issues there.

I technically have an "HDTV", which is a 20" widescreen monitor with DVI-D input. Things are definately more shiny than they would be on an SDTV though.

Rock Dec 7, 2006 06:11 PM

Cobalt, does your monitor support HDCP? Or does the HDMI to DVI-D solution work for games and BluRay all the same (without HDCP)? I'm asking this because I'm planning to use a computer LCD display with my PS3 as well. People said the PS3 wouldn't display anything if the device didn't support HDCP (which is only supported by a small number of computer displays).

Cobalt Katze Dec 7, 2006 07:26 PM

No idea what HDCP is, so I can't help you there.

Just got Lemmings and played it a ton :D So much fun... Brought back good memories of playing the original on my Genesis back in the day. Things start getting even crazier once they start adding in teleporters, dim lighting where you have to light torches to see exactly what's going on (lightning also flashes periodically to light the way for a second), and then also cloning machines to aid in getting your quota.

The cool part is that you can see everyone else's progress on each level through means of the leader board. All it gives is bragging rights, but if you find some way to save either more Lemmings or complete the stage faster, you'll shoot up in the rankings. For one stage, most people had gotten 4-6 Lemmings saved, but I got 8 and with a faster time... so, for now, number 1 on that level :D I'm sure someone'll figure out a way to beat my score eventually.

Downloading the free level of Sudoku and then the Genji2 demo for kicks... if I don't fight a giant enemy crab, I'll be massively disappointed :D

Slayer X Dec 7, 2006 08:08 PM

You've got to get the MotorStorm demo too. I just played it today at EB and... *drewling*. I have a 360 hooked up to an HDTV and the only that's even come close that game would be Gears of War, however Gears didn't even have as far of a draw distance as that. Not only that but the gameplay was shear fun. Bit of a slowdown at the beginning of each race, but after that it's 60FPS all the way.

Cobalt Katze Dec 7, 2006 08:13 PM

I've had it since day one actually :) The downloadable Motorstorm demo is even better than the in-store one.

Tried Go! Sudoku, and for what it is (free sudoku puzzles with a rather flashy layout), it works fine. I ended up doubling the recommended time on the first puzzle, since I've never actually done sudoku before... so yeah. Apparently there's an online Versus and Battle modes, but no one had a room set up yet. The first several hundred puzzles are totally free though, so I see no reason why not to get it and just mull about figuring em out in spare time.

Rock Dec 7, 2006 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Cobalt Katze
No idea what HDCP is, so I can't help you there.

It's a digital copy protection for everything HD. The PS3 is supposed to use/support it by default over the HDMI port. If it's enabled for the game or movie, only display devices with HDCP support work.

The question is wether the PS3 has HDCP enabled by default or not. So if you're using a HDMI to DVI-D cable on a non-HDCP display, it means that the copy protection isn't being used at all.

Long story short: All I want to know is if I can just use a regular HDMI to DVI-D cable to connect the PS3 to my PC LCD monitor. I'm planning on using a 19" screen with a native resolution of 1280x1024 pixel, should be perfect for 720p.

Inhert Dec 7, 2006 10:09 PM

well I tried it and it didn't work for me. my monitor doesn't support HDCP and when I plug my hdmi->dvi cable and change the setting, i see my screen flash but I still get a black screen, so my guess is, if you don't have a monitor that support HDCP than you can't play your ps3 at all on it...

Rock Dec 7, 2006 10:19 PM

Too bad. I was under the impression that Cobalt had his PS3 hooked up to a computer LCD via DVI-D. I don't think there are a lot of displays that support HDCP for DVI, though ...


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