Yeah, this ep was pretty dull IMHO. Not enough parts involving Jack beating the shit out of people =Y

The whole Martha thing was just stupid. I'd rather they hadn't brought the characters back at all then give us this ridiculous attempt at closure. By the way, if Martha is a recovering alcoholic, why is there a rack of wine glasses in her kitchen?

Seriously though, next time somebody annoying at work starts talking to me, I'm just going to say, "I'm feeling ambivalent" and walk away.

Meh.

Martha handling that knife prior to the out-of-nowhere stab was actually one of the most intense scenes this season. :tpg:

Jack's on pace for a record low kill count in a single day. =/

I hope you're not serious. They kept zooming in on various knives, so you knew she was going to do it. But killing him with a lousy paring knife? Come on. Besides, what kind of nuthouse is she committed to that they let her have alcohol and knives?

Ah, the episode worked out fine for me. As usual, the politics, while important for the storylines, still seems out of place. Unfortunate, yes, but I'm hoping it'll tie in a *bit* stronger into the main storyline. I'd hate to see all the work in DC go to waste like the whole "Kim is missing" storyline from Season 2.

Bad news for Charles could have been seen a mile away. I was only half paying attention to that scene and I could still see the shots on the knife every now and then.

A quite Jack-light episode this time around.

I thought this episode was Ok. I quite like the introduction of the new character in CTU - Mike Doyle, the new head of Field Ops. I prefer this style of introducing characters rather than revisiting old annoying ones such as Martha Logan.

Of course I'm serious. ^^ Yeah you knew she was gonna do something. That's why it was intense. Plus, was she gonna cut some of her own fingers off too? She was in crazy mode! It would've been ridiculous. But for real, for the season: it was [sadly] one of the most intense moments. :p

Due to Jack being somewhat free and this new head of Field Ops seemingly coming out of nowhere, I felt like I'd missed an episode.

Well, Curtis was killed and they needed a replacement. A moving-up in the hierarchy was expected, I'm sure, since Jack is far from being an official head of Field Ops (although I'm sure he's way better than Doyle). I'm sure he and Jack will butt heads and Doyle will get killed. I don't think they'd keep a character around who as much of a douche as he is.

Well, they kept Ryan Chappelle around for three seasons, so you never know.

I thought this episode was just average, but it wasn't even a smooth average. It was more like half the episode was extreme sucktitude, and the other half was extreme awesomeness. I officially do not care about any of the political stuff anymore, as every character there sucks, including this Craig T. Nelson look-a-like they have as the Vice President. All the stuff at the Russian consulate was awesome though.

But then again, all the stuff at CTU sucked, and so did the Martha Logan stuff. Aside from their attempts to create more artificial drama with Doyle, I thought he was actually alright, so I wouldn't mind if he stuck around for a while (at least long enough to fight alongside Jack at least once). But all the Martha stuff was predictable garbage. Seriously, my main gripe about that was that they played into what the fans wanted and actually made Martha and Aaron a couple, which just seems stupid to me (wasn't he married with kids and stuff anyway?).

Oh yeah, I failed to make a comment about Doyle.

Yeah, so I had a dream that he was played by Chuck Norris...

It's funny how Rick Schroeder is taking all these tough guy roles to leave his child star image behind. He could be a good character if they don't go completely overboard with his assholery.

Every character on the show now is an overblown caricature. The vice president is a warmonger (with that Texas Yosemite Sam attitude), evil russian diplomats, crazy homicidal first lady, Jack Bauer, etc. We wouldn't have Jack any other way, but for everyone's character to be going to the extreme of their personality just doesn't make sense.

These episodes are kinda slow....
I don't like the new guy, Doyle and
LOL @ Martha. "What is this? I should be awarded a metal."

This episode pissed me off something awful. Audrey is dead? They made it sound uncertain when they mentioned ID'ing of her remains, so I hope this is some coverup and she's being held somewhere. Amid Jack's myriad of bimbos he boinked in the past, I liked Audrey's character and development. Just dropping her like that is irritating.

She was in China messing around and probably got some people mad at her as a result, but there might be the off-chance she is just being held. I dunno, the way they detailed her death sounded sketchy. But we'll see. If she really is dead, I'll be quite angry with the show. I liked her character =(

Plus, I know the show is formulaic, but a mole inside of CTU in almost every single season? Come ON.

Somehow I doubt Audrey is dead? Burned beyond recognition in a car crash? Come on, that just screams "Audrey's in a Chinese prison". This episode did suck pretty bad, though. Lots of tense meetings and ominous discussion, but not a whole lot of action.

Also, "untold environmental damage". EPA finally gets to shine on 24. :)

I just find it odd that someone would die off-camera/scene when they're as major as her. If she IS dead, I'm mad.

I too find it hard to believe Audrey's dead. Personally, I think she'll eventually pop back up into the show but probably towards the end, which will create another insane cliffhanger ended to the season.

Also, I told my brother that Nadia would be the mole weeeeeell before tonight. It was so predictable. She was basically the only new character in CTU! Although, I think it's likely she's being set up.

Good point. I told my mom almost the exact samething when she asked if President Logan was dead. I told her, "If you don't see him die, he's not dead!"

Jack Bauer's gonna start cutting himself. =/

I doubt she's dead too. It might be a story that picks up at the end of this day maybe for a later season.

Anyway, I agree with evil, I mean Plarom. Nadia's probably being set up, and Milo wants to bang her.

So I think everybody is in agreement that Audrey isn't dead. It just seems stupid in the context of the show, and the fact that Kim Raver is available since The Nine hasn't even been filming in like the last four months (and has been all but officially cancelled) makes it seem even less likely that she's officially dead. This just served as a way of bringing her back into the plot as far as I'm concerned.

As for the rest of the show, Doyle is looking to be a cracked-up Jack Bauer wannabe, Daniels has to be the stupidest person to ever be put in power (but seriously, I wouldn't be surprised if someone (like a Kingsley-type person) has their hand in his pocket), and Nadia most likely isn't a mole (and to echo naz, Milo wants to bang her).

Me thinks they focused in a little bit too long on the photo of Audrey's hand sticking out under the sheet. Hmm?

I'd like to see how they connect nuclear attacks on US soil to Audrey's death in China however. Now that'll be something.

Another somewhat Jack lite episode. I swear, I'm wondering if they're picking the two scenes he's in and showing them in the next episode previews.

Awesome face by Tom when Daniels told him they were going to launch the nuclear missile anyway. Haha, classic. I think I have a new avatar.

I think they focused on the hand to show the condition the corpse was in, rather than something fishy =o

Can 24 stop wussing out and finally name whatever middle-eastern country we're going to nuke? In every season involving muslims, they just say "that country" without ever naming them. Sure, we can blame China and Russia, but heaven forbid we mention Iran or Pakistan sponsoring terrorism, because they might riot. Hell, just make up a country, just so they can stop skirting around the issue.

Also, I'm betting the Audrey thing is the basis for next season (maybe he'll finally leave LA). There's just not enough time left this year for him to get revenge/clear up the mystery.

No i can kinda understand not saying what country, the risk for public outcry is too great.

Personally I thought this episode was much much better than the previous few weeks, even though Jack wasnt the focus.
I dont believe Audry is dead either, but what Jack says makes me wish there was some truth behind it. I just want a season of Jack anywhere other than in the USA. Going alone out in China to rescue or hunt Audry's killer, sound like the best season to me.

What is up with the writers? They have been pretty disastrous throughout most of the season, particularly the last few episodes, bringing back Martha just to kill Logan, rendering all of her story in season 5 useless. But come on, NO mention of Logan in this episode at all, after everything that happened last episode?
That is awful.

calm down its only been an hour