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I poked it and it made a sad sound Mar 15, 2006 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by RacinReaver
So you don't want people with poor social skills to be able to enjoy their life? =\

I think they should learn how to deal with society instead of hiding from it, yea.

I poked it and it made a sad sound Mar 15, 2006 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Devo
REPEAT NOT EVERYONE IS YOU OR CAN BE HELD TO YOUR STANDARDS.

So not everyone is expected to live in a civilized society?

Wow. Wheres the ticket to get off this rollercoaster ride. I've been trying to find the door OUT of this shit hole since I was put in it!

Paco Mar 15, 2006 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassafrass
I think they should learn how to deal with society instead of hiding from it, yea.

I kind of see where you're coming from, but I'm with RR on this... I'm all for getting all the idiots laid. Because if we could get some of the "idiots" laid we wouldn't have that many of them.

For example: I lobbied to use some of the Serious Business AdSense funds to get Simply Majestic a fucking escort. That's really all the kid needed, I guarantee it. If he could have let out some of his sexual frustration by donkey punching a handsomely paid hooker, maybe he would be a productive member of Gamingforce. And thus now, he's banned. :(

I poked it and it made a sad sound Mar 15, 2006 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Encephalon
I kind of see where you're coming from, but I'm with RR on this... I'm all for getting all the idiots laid. Because if we could get some of the "idiots" laid we wouldn't have that many of them.

For example: I lobbied to use some of the Serious Business AdSense funds to get Simply Majestic a fucking escort. That's really all the kid needed, I guarantee it. If he could have let out some of his sexual frustration by donkey punching a handsomely paid hooker, maybe he would be a productive member of Gamingforce. And thus now, he's banned. :(

Man, that kid is probably gay. You're looking at all the wrong audiences. ;_;

Albeit a noble cause, I wonder never say "Here, have some sex" when they can't do it on their own.

It's kind of like feeding wild animals.

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Originally Posted by Devooooo~
Civilized society is not only subjective but I don't see why a program that assists people in finding romance is going to impact society in a negative fashion. Are you off your rocker?

It. enables. an. increasingly. retarded. (literally) society.

Don't worry about cooking! Life can be easier with this wonderful invention called the drive thru. ITS NOT EVEN SPELLED RIGHT, but you get our drift, don't you? Thats all that really matters, isn't it?

Paco Mar 15, 2006 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Devo
Are you off your rocker?

Well, fuck... Maybe I am. :confused:

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Originally Posted by Sassafrass
It's kind of like feeding wild animals.

But if you FORCE FEED them, they become subservient. Do you see where I'm going with this?

RAPE 4 $ALE~

Smoodle Mar 15, 2006 08:19 PM

I really don't see how a place like eHarmony is going to rape a "civilized" culture. If anything, it just opens the door to more options. The rape of civilized culture hides within the confines of our corrupt government. That is where the real problem dwells.

RacinReaver Mar 15, 2006 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassafrass
So not everyone is expected to live in a civilized society?

I'd imagine most of the people on eHarmony are able to hold down a steady job and manage to go out into civilization to buy themselves food and clothing; how does them not being able to smooth talk some lady from a blank start suddenly make them unfit to be in a relationship?

I poked it and it made a sad sound Mar 15, 2006 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RacinReaver
I'd imagine most of the people on eHarmony are able to hold down a steady job and manage to go out into civilization to buy themselves food and clothing; how does them not being able to smooth talk some lady from a blank start suddenly make them unfit to be in a relationship?

This entire post is based on the premise that everyone on eHarmony is socially apt.

Which defeats the entire purpose of eHarmony. If they were all socially excellent, they wouldn't need an internet dating service, would they?

AGAIN, I am not saying ALL. I am sure a GOOD PORTION (although not the majority) of these people really have had shit luck finding someone and have exhausted their options.

But I think a vast, vast, VAST amount of them are VG-esque in lesser proportions. Its the fucking internet, dude.

RacinReaver Mar 15, 2006 09:40 PM

So if they are VG-esque then when they meet the other person the other party will be completely creeped out and he'll get dumped after the first date (or as soon as she goes to his house and sees his desktop).

The people that are completely socially adept will still get their asses dumped, though there's always a chance that maybe they'll hook up with some other socially moronic individual that otherwise might not get out and meet people.

Think of it this way, it'll keep the morons out of all the places you like to go to try and meet people. Fewer crap first dates for you.

FallDragon Mar 15, 2006 09:41 PM

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Don't worry about cooking! Life can be easier with this wonderful invention called the drive thru. ITS NOT EVEN SPELLED RIGHT, but you get our drift, don't you? Thats all that really matters, isn't it?
That is the dumbest ass analogy in the first place, and makes no sense if you're relating it to eHarmony vs. random encounters. As I've said before, like THREE times now, eHarmony DOES NOT replace the part where you get to know someone! I mean do you even know what the fuck eHarmony is? Do you think it's some website that you and your match's minds JACK into and then date and get married THROUGH the website??? Sass you can't win an argument by dreaming up your own visions of what the website service provides. You have no logical basis for any of your arguments other than "these people are socially inept because I say so! go eat fast food dood!"

eHarmony is a filtering system, that is all. It filters out people you already know you won't like AS YOU YOURSELF define in the questionare.

You think this service somehow denies experience. IT DOESN'T. You have to meet, communicate and learn about this person on your own. And if it doesn't work out, you get REJECTED and learn that wonderful part of experience as well! I mean where the fuck do you get off saying it takes away experience? It takes away the experience of talking to random people, NOT the experience of dating someone. And if you believe the only healthy way to meet a prospective significant other is by talking to random people, you have your head up your ass.

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If they were all socially excellent, they wouldn't need an internet dating service, would they?
Actually, THIS is the entire flaw in your argument. Being able to TALK to a random person doesn't mean you're going to like them, and it doesn't mean you'll be able find someone you'll want to date. How the hell can you make an assumption like this? You think the gods of love will magically guide you to that right person as long as you talk to every stranger you meet on the street?

Smoodle Mar 15, 2006 10:05 PM

^ Yeah, I agree. Give some proof to back your claims.

Skexis Mar 15, 2006 10:18 PM

I had a random wacky thought earlier, and from this day forward, I don't think I'll ever be able to separate the image of Sass in my mind from a Blunderbore.

http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/3...derbore8hw.gif

"What do you MEAN you want to use a dating service? Don't you have any RESPECT for yourself! Et CETERA!"

Crash "Long-Winded Wrong Answer" Landon Mar 15, 2006 10:42 PM

I would like to take a moment to point out that not all online relationships involve socially inept twits and desperate people who hook up simply because no other options exist.

I am a case in point. I never used a dating service, but the larger point stands.

I can see where Eharmony might cater to the socially awkward, but that doesn't constitute any error on either side. Introverts need love too and if there's a service that eases the intimidation factor of setting up dates, why shouldn't people use it?

Just because you think you're better than to need any dating service, Sass, doesn't mean all people think like you.

eks Mar 15, 2006 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Devo
Are you saying we're unable to communiate ideas or feelings just because of the medium?

Sure, you can express feelings in text. You can also convincibly express untrue feelings (like saying you're not upset when you really are) a lot easier in text.

You can't see a person's body language, their eyes or hear the tone in their voice in an email. All of these things can give you clues as to how they really feel or what they're really thinking.

There's also more reaction time online. People who are normally slow-witted and shy can often be very out-going and witty online.

That's not to say online dating (services) are a bane to humanity; I'm merely saying it needs to be held under a different light than traditional dating.

eks Mar 15, 2006 11:39 PM

Of course. I've only been trying to offer my opinion and advice on this sort of thing.

Monkey King Mar 16, 2006 12:48 AM

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Posted by Crash Landon
I would like to take a moment to point out that not all online relationships involve socially inept twits and desperate people who hook up simply because no other options exist.

I am a case in point. I never used a dating service, but the larger point stands.
That's not a good point to try and make, considering what a lot of people think of your girlfriend, Crash. <_<

I think it's just as assumptive NOT to think that eHarmony is chiefly populated by the socially apt. In an ideal world, online dating services provide additional resources to otherwise socially adept people who have few opportunities to meet people, for reasons likely outside their control. But in addition to these people, you have the wallflowers who fail at real-life social interaction, and turn to the internet as a means of last resort - i.e. the Sir VG category.

The crowd on eHarmony is going to have considerably more human failures trolling around than you'd meet in real life. As many losers as you're going to get paired up with and have to reject, it may very well be less efficient (heh) than simply driving out of your way to a club in a neighboring city.

And none of this factors in the fact that online conversation is inferior to face-to-face communication. So much is lost in mere text conversation that tells you a lot about a person, good or bad. The possibility for success is still there, of course, but it's so greatly diminished from real life interactions that it seems like an awful lot to be pinning $50 a month on.

Incidentally, heard an interesting bit of news today, too. Though they're not part of this lawsuit, just remember that it is not actually in eHarmony's interests for you to actually find love.

SMX Mar 16, 2006 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Monkey King
And none of this factors in the fact that online conversation is inferior to face-to-face communication. So much is lost in mere text conversation that tells you a lot about a person, good or bad. The possibility for success is still there, of course, but it's so greatly diminished from real life interactions that it seems like an awful lot to be pinning $50 a month on.

This would be true except for the fact that some people actually have a much easier time expressing the ideas in their head through written communication rather than verbal. While you do lose other subtle communication, like body language, you gain a person being able to take the time and more precisely communicate whatever they want. It’s different, but I wouldn’t consider it less.

RacinReaver Mar 16, 2006 01:42 AM

Actually, on the point of only the inept using online dating services. I know my stripper friend who goes out to bars/parties/social situations every night she can (and plenty she can't) and still tries to meet people through MySpace and a few other online dating sites. Last guy I remember her saying she went out with she met on MySpace and she said he was a bit better than most of the other people she's dated recently.

Alice Mar 16, 2006 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by SMX
This would be true except for the fact that some people actually have a much easier time expressing the ideas in their head through written communication rather than verbal. While you do lose other subtle communication, like body language, you gain a person being able to take the time and more precisely communicate whatever they want.

And that's fine if you plan on living your life through a computer, but sooner or later if a relationship is going to progress, you're going to have to meet this person in real life that you've won over with your dazzling internet wit, charm and confidence. And then what?

Stop Sign Mar 16, 2006 08:13 AM

Not to interrupt a perfectly good heated debate, or anything, but I just want to point out that this month's Atlantic Monthly has a rather in-depth article about eHarmony, chemistry.com and other such services, with interviews with the creators of these sites, and the rationales behind the matching algorithms they use. It's an interesting read.


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