While Jazz's Idea for the Wii's FPS control scheme sounds good, I get the feeling that FPS will have to evolve over time. Things sound good in theory, but you have to actually feel what it feels like to play it before you set things in stone. I'm not downplaying Jazz's theory, because it may be a good one, I'm just saying that it might be more beneficial to try several different Alternatives before setting one in stone. Here's hoping that Red Steel will come with more than one control scheme.

If anyone's still not convinced by IGN's damage-control post and still worried 'bout the rumble, here's an article from the very same site that posted the magazine's inaccurate story, stating that the same magazine is admitting they made a mistake . :)

To divert the Red Steel talk away for a bit (sorry guys), I read recently in an newspaper article (THE MOST "UNBIASED" media for games [not!]) about the pros and cons about the yet to be released next (or New) gen consoles, Wii and PS3.

Although some of their arguments reflected the ignorant, low "average joe" kind of audience, one of their cons for the Wii still bugged me.

"Nintendo has a tendancy of being a more 'kiddy' system, aiming to make games for the general public rather than full fledged games as we know them as, such as Halo and Tomb Raider".

First of all, the last line about no fully-fledged "games" is bullshit. But the thing that really bugs me is the comment on "Kiddy". Really, is that how Nintendo is STILL perceived? Perhaps the pros/cons were really the reflection on the non-gamers but as far as I'm concerned, there are more games on Wii which are looking "un-kiddy" than ever before, exhibit: Sadness, Metroid, Zelda TP just to name a few. Plus on top of that, there are no more purple lunchbox designs. Replacing that is a sleek, new iPod inspired shell which looks modern and sleek.

With all those in mind, how is it that the public still see Nintendo as "kiddy"?

Nintendo will always be kiddy, UNLESS they show Mario's boobs. Also! Ubisoft's launch games GT Pro and Monster 4x4 will come bundled with this thinga-ma-jig.

http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/ar...8114711546.jpg

Floating steering wheel of doom. They say it'll also work with EXCITE TRUCK, Cars and the racing bits in Spongebob Squarepants: Battle of the Very Long Whatever Name. Also any other racer or Wii game in general I guess. Kind of like playing action games on PS2 with the DDR mat. I'd play Smash Bros. with it.

Bets tons of money that's how Microsoft and Sony market against Nintendo, and the public believes their bullshit.

I think if we can or decide to help against this pikachu shit, we should probably show them games like Zelda and Metroid, as well as show them Microsoft and Sony's "kiddy" moments.

Also toss a few "Giant enemy crab" buzzwords.:lolsign:

I think Ubisoft will really help them break this 'kiddy' idea. That and the fact that Nintendo is also targeting new ammount of the populace (kids already like games).

Splinter Cell, Red Steal, etc should really help people see the system will have games fro Everyone and for every group. Metroid, Zelda, and Crisis, etccan't hurt either.

You know, if Nintendo could truly populate their library with a variety of games including games for kids, that should help garner the market. The average age of the gamer nowadays is just the age where people have young children or are starting families. If I knew I had to buy an Xbox 360 for $400 and another $400 worth of games/accessories for myself, and then also the Wii for $250 plus another $400 worth of games/accessories, or just the Wii for that price, I would definitely choose to just have the 1 system.

Realistically, though, if you look at the PS2's ginormous library compared to GC's, I bet that overall PS2 actually has many more "kiddie" games than GC, but no one calls Sony "kiddie." It's all about image - a different marketing firm could sell the exact same Wii in a totally different way...

It wouldn't really be so much about the amount but the percentages. If, within that large library, PS2 has a higher ratio of "kiddy" games when compared to the Gamecube, then this whole notion is poppycock.

This is what I don't get about the public opinion of Nintendo being "Kiddy". I mean, come on now, seriously, can you not play Mario or Pokemon without losing your penis or what? This "kiddy" image is the imge of the Gamecube, which I'll admit, does look somewhat like a toy you would throw around, but why has the name passed on to Nintendo? It seriously does not bother me if I'm playing a game console that is a purple cube. Hell, I have a purple calculator and I don't have anybody questioning my Masculinity. Seriously, this "kiddy" image should only bother people who can't be a man and accept something past looks.

Hell, I'm willing to bet that, had Sony's PS2 looked "kiddy" it would have befallen the same fate. "Oh my god, I can't play a gamecube! It looks like a toy!" Seriously, just shut up and be a man. You almost make it seem like playing a PS3 will enlarge your penis magically or something.

Hmm, Metroid and Zelda have been on all Nintendo consoles, so that's kind of a bad example if you're hoping to prove the Wii has suddenly grown up.

You guys aren't going back in history far enough. It has nothing to do with the Gamecube and its size and shape. Nintendo's 'kiddy' image has formally been around since the SNES when a game called Mortal Kombat was released for it and the Sega Genesis. One of which kept all the gore and blood intact, while the other replaced it with sweat. Nintendo took one of the most popular games of the day and more or less ruined it. Real gamers have never forgotten the Mortal Kombat fiasco and Nintendo has still not managed to loose that image.

I don't think most common gamers even remember the original mortal kombat so whatever. Plus, I believe Nintendo kept the blood intact for the sequel b/c of the backlash. Also, I remember there being a password or code or something that you had to put in to unlock blood in the Genesis version. Hot Coffee of its day I guess? Dunno.

Besides, it's Mortal Kombat. Who the fuck cares? It had its moments but it's gotten pretty stale over the years now.

LOL

And what a piss and moaning thing that Mortal Kombat debacle was. Of course, all the "mainstream" (e.g. 20-30) gamers remember this. That was when we were in Jr High, and needed the blood to validate us as tough adults. I remember thinking that it wasn't a big deal, and a bunch of kids made it seem like God himself had died because there weren't ugly blotches of red pixels on the SNES version.

Seriously, the bias that Nintendo is "kiddy" is just foolishness, fanboyism. and "I'm too cool for..." syndrome coming out of people. Sure Nintendo doesn't have as many games that are dark, gloomy, cuss and gore filled. Who cares? And if you do, you are a closed minded person . Why do adults have to play said games anyway?

Damn Right. I'm not a Nintendo evangelist, but I do support Nintendo and those who downplay its so-called "kiddy" nature are in the wrong. People who think they can't be seen playing Mario Kart and instead have to be seen playing Gran Turismo. (Speaking of which, exactly WHAT is the point of Gran Turismo? I watched my friend "play" it once and it was him setting up his car, and putting it on auto-drive while he watched the cars icon go across the minimap. He admitted that he usually flipped channels while the race was going on.)

Anyways, what's our launch lineup looking like? I know of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Red Steel, Excite Truck, Mario Galaxy, Metroid, Wii Sports, WarioWare? What else is there?

From 3rd parties (read: mostly Ubisoft) there's Rayman Raving Rabbids, Splinter Cell Double Agent, Tony Hawk Downhill Jam, Metal Slug Collection, Call of Duty 3, Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz, Trauma Center: Second Opinion, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, etc...

Don't forget Mario Galaxy won't make lauch date. And there's also Smash Bros for 2007.

Where's Jet Set Radio, Sega!?

I think Smilebit/AM6 is no longer together making games :( They got disbanded in 2004 when SEGA merged with Sammy. Which is sad. Because I would totally die if there were Jet Set Radio for Wii. Raar!

And yeah, really solid lineup of launch titles. I personally can't figure out which ones I'll get at launch... I may see what kind of bundles there'll be, since that's inevitable.

Speaking of SEGA games... Overworks/AM7 needs to get together again and make another RPG... Skies of Arcadia was too good for them not to.

I think when people (the media, people who are objective) say that Nintendo's consoles are "kiddy" have the right idea, but try too hard to use a term that is less than flattering.

I think a more apt term would be...I dunno, "cartoony"? Outside of maybe the Pokemon, I think 25-35 year-olds would get more pleasure from playing any of the Mario games than a kid would. I think people need to stop believing that less maturity is a sign of less quality, both the people who write about Nintendo and the Nintendo fans who get so offended. "Kiddy" isn't really a bad term...life is more fun when you're a kid, I mean, what do you say to your friends when you're a kid? "Do you want to come over and play?" If video games is more about playing and less about graphics and home theater, then I think I'd rather things be kiddy.

Yeah, Wii's launch seems to be quite solid indeed. Probably the best launch of a Nintendo console to date.
I'm getting:
- Wii console.
- Extra memory card thingy! (or maybe I'll just use Wii's internal memory, I'm cheap).
- Extra controller (as I understand it, each independent controller will be sold as nunchuk configurations, right?).
- Twilight Princess (obviously THE launch game to get).
- Metroid Prime 3 (Prime 1 is easily one of the best games the GC got in its lifetime and Prime 2 is a solid sequel, so Corruption is high on the list of my most anticipated games, even more so since this will bring conclusion to the Prime saga).
- Metal Slug Collection (6 games from one of the most badass -and funny too- series gathered on one disc? I'm in).
- Red Steel (it seems like a great test for the potential of the Wii controller, and it also looks a lot of fun).
- Splinter Cell Double Agent (I've played only the first game of the series, and only briefly, and this game seems badass enough).
- Rayman Raving Rabbids (this looks like the ideal game to be played for short periods of time, also the humor is appealing).

THE Wii launch game to get is a GameCube game? Doesn't sound like a good launch to me. Thank god for Ubisoft!

Nintendos 'kiddy' image isn't a bad thing. If they wanted to appeal to insecure jocks they wouldn't have called it Wii. Kids mostly play violent games like Red Steel and Splinter Cell now anyway.

Well, the N64 Zeldas are arguably better than many of the games of the next generation of game, so I don't find it so awful that Twilight Princess is the very first game I want to get when I buy my Wii.

Is there a list somewhere yet that says all the games that will be available the day the Wii launches? Is that even known?

Wikipedia has a pretty good list:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii

I should mention that CompUSA has a sale on SD cards. I grabbed a 2GB today for $45. Might as well get it now.

I've been searching for such a list - never thought of looking the most obvious place, thanks!


Zelda and Red Steel are 100% buys for me at launch day.

I'll be on the look for a fun multiplayer game too.
Maybe if Raving Rabbits will feature something. A game with Big Damn Trucks might persuade me also.

I would love to see any media at all from Far Cry and Blazing Angels.
Far Cry for another FPS aspect than Red Steel, and Blazing Angels for the fun of "holding" a plane, if the likes of Wii Motor Sports.
Again, I will need to see some media and description of the controlling before I would ever consider buying.

Metroid Prime 3 is a no go at launch. I've still got Prime 2 lying around and I've never even played it.
My Cube's been abandoned since I've caressed my vga-box with my heel, evoking a slight crushing noise.
I thought I'd wait half a year and instead play my Gamecube games on the Wii, rather than investing in a new vga-box.

I'm not so sure, my 11 year old cousin likes Mario 64 a lot more than I do. But yeah, I definitely agree with the sentiment.

It actually depends on which age group you're talking about. Nintendo's prime spot is at the pre-secondary school (Ages < 10) leaving a huge gap until about the age of 20 - 25. Ages under 10 will certainly find Nintendo fun as ever and after that, I would agree that, yes, the older people will again find Nintendo more fun over the gamers in their teen years who must simply make themselves stand out by having the slickest looking graphics and must play the absolutely most violent game with the most gratuitous amounts of sex/violence/gore/etc. that they can get their hands on. Once you get past that, you're back in the game games that are fun over games that are mature.

Awesome, because I sure as hell don't have Component nor S-Video (I know, I'm overdue for an upgrade), So, 16:9 is indeed supported? Does this mean that there's no horrible stretching on a widescreen (whenever I do upgrade)?

It might be because my friends and I grew up playing NES stuff, but pretty much the only games we play together anymore are Mario Kart DD, Smash Bros Melee, Monkey Ball and Mario Power Tennis. It seems odd, but they're just loads of fun. Especially on a huge projector screen.

For launch, I know I'm definately getting Twilight Princess. I might get Excite Truck too just because it looks pretty damn fun. If DQSwords is actually ready for launch, and gets good previews (haven't seen ANYTHING from it so far) I might get that, but a lack of time for localization will probably get it delayed from the US launch. Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz is another strong contender, since I still play the original to this day.