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because the workers get so many diseases and problems from prostitution. its a very risky buisness and isnt healthy.

You are easily the dumbest person in this thread. And that's saying something.

So you could say it is... the deadliest catch?

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Sex out of marriage isn't frowned upon as much as it used to be. However I still think alot of people would have problems with legalizing prosititution. Alot of unwelcome additions come with prostitution, one of the big ones being drugs. If it was legalized would that change? Maybe. Right now though it would just devalue whatever region it happened in.

Recently a "Spa" near where I live was shut down because it was a front for a brothel. When I read about it, I just shrugged and went huh, thats interesting. The other people in my community treated it much much worse though. The way they described it, you'd think that in the middle of the spa a gateway to hell had been opened. I'll never have a problem with it, but a good majority will.

That's a silly thing to say, rape is generally a matter of dominance rather than just a need for sex. Hence straight male rapists often rape other guys.

weird system...

Statistically true. So not really silly. Silly is thinking anyone will take you seriously in an actual topic with a name like that.

It is obvious from recent developments that we cannot go any further without making one thing extremely clear: that the concept of equality, whether of sexes or races or individuals, or even of animals, plants, or inanimate objects, is absurd. It would in fact be impossible to even find two equal electrons or quarks, if electrons or quarks actually existed (which they don't), let alone anything more complex. The only domain in which the concept of equality is not absurd is in pure logic (including mathematics), but in the real world there is simply no such thing. There has never been, and there never will be.

Now of course this simple, self-evident truth is obviously beyond the comprehension of 99.99999999999999999% of contemporary mankind, as is every other simple, self-evident truth. That, however, is not my problem -- it is theirs. And since many of the things discussed on this site already, and that will be discussed in the very near future, presuppose human beings intelligent enough to grasp these simple truths, I am obliged to simply immediately ban whoever seems to be incapable of grasping them. Because the funny thing is that, though these truths are simple and self-evident, they seem to be immeasurably harder (if not outright impossible) for people to comprehend than many truths that are far more complex and obscure. But these are the effects of prejudice, bigotry, superstition and stupidity inherited by 2,500 years of the Socratico-Judaeo-Christian metaphysic, and its attendant herd/slave morality, and it is simply beyond my powers to cure people of this disease (that, only these books can do, and then only for a very small number of people). All I want to do is analyze games as deeply as possible, and to do that I have to take for granted all the simple little truths that philosophy has to give us -- one of which being that nothing is equal to anything else.

To give a concrete example of where this simple truth has been recently used, and to great effect, consider my Cocksucking Videogameland article. In the last two paragraphs I explain why women are in general inferior to men as regards the analysis and evaluation of virtual worlds. The reason is psychological and proceeds from a biological difference -- a biological inequality in other words. Therefore whoever believes that men and women are equal, or should be equal, or should be treated and regarded as equal even when they clearly are not (i.e. always), would simply be incapable of coming up with this idea, or grasping it once it had been explained to him -- let alone accepting it and drawing all the various and very important consequences that follow from it.

But we must draw these consequences! This is philosophy -- drawing the ultimate consequences out of every deduction -- not stopping and turning our backs on them because we prefer to live within the safe and narrow horizons of a happy-pretend land in which everything is equal to everything else and every person loves every other person and we all go to Heaven when we die, amen.

So, to all current and prospective users of this forum who espouse the religion of Equality -- at the very least stay away from "theory" threads. You can still be a religious nut and post in individual news or games threads -- it doesn't take much intelligence for those. But please leave my serious threads alone. If you want to find other religious nuts to discuss your beliefs, why, the internet is full of them -- click on a random page and you are there.

PS. The above also applies for all the other modern religions: the religion of Freedom, Justice, Human Rights, Cockroach Rights, Chicken Rights, etc. I am afraid that philosophy and religions are diametrically opposed, so if you have even the slightest religious inclination in you -- just stay the hell away from my goddamn theory threads. In other words: The theory threads are only for 100% declared atheists and immoralists -- everyone else is anyway already perfectly served by all kinds of bibles.

And since everyone already knows what "atheist" means, here is a helpful link that explains what an "immoralist" is:

NIGGERS

Jesus, just read through some of that thread, and I don't think I've ever seen a more self-important person on the internet.

Schopenhauer: "It is not only in the activity of his highest powers that the genius surpasses ordinary people. A man who is unusually well-knit, supple and agile, will perform all his movements with exceptional ease, even with comfort, because he takes a direct pleasure in an activity for which he is particularly well-equipped, and therefore often exercises it without any object. Further, if he is an acrobat or a dancer, not only does he take leaps which other people cannot execute, but he also betrays rare elasticity and agility in those easier steps which others can also perform, and even in ordinary walking. In the same way a man of superior mind will not only produce thoughts and works which could never have come from another; it will not be here alone that he will show his greatness; but as knowledge and thought form a mode of activity natural and easy to him, he will also delight himself in them at all times, and so apprehend small matters which are within the range of other minds, more easily, quickly and correctly than they."


Therefore my writings, if I am indeed a genius, will always be "works of genius" regardless of the subject matter. A genius, by Schopenhauer's definition as well as by anyone else's, is not capable of NOT producing works of genius, just as a cow is not capable of not producing works of cows, and so on. A genius is a genius and a cow is a cow from birth to death -- and that's the end of that.

Maybe Piero Manzoni's shit is worth its weight in gold, nowadays even more. For all I care it is worthless.

The acrobat may have a peculiar grace to his everyday walk, but that doesn't mean that acrobats have not stubbed their toes or slipped on ice. I don't trust the genius to be paying close attention to every thread of his existence, or to be versed in all things he discusses. Everything the genius does is in fact "the work of a genius," but not an ingenious work.

As far as prostitution: maybe it is not the place of government to tell who anyone can fuck and for what reasons. But it is the place of government to maintain public schools, balance the economy, and make sure people have decent job opportunities. If it were doing those things then perhaps prostitution wouldn't even be a reasonable choice.

What if you like having sex?

Hell, weren't those Washington DC call girls something like $10k+ a night? I think all of them had at least a college education (or more), and certainly could have gotten a job elsewhere if they had wanted.

We all know that 1) people who like being prostitutes and 2) make over 10k a night are few and far between. For the great majority, it is exploitative and degradating work that they couldn't help but resort to.

You must know a lot of prostitutes.

Wow. There's been a lot of good arguments (but also a lot of bad ones) lately on this subject.

People like me need to realize that there are indeed women who willingly become prostitutes and enjoy it. However, nothing written here has convinced me that this industry can exist in a way that doesn't take advantage of women. Even our legalized areas such as Denmark and Las Vegas are plagued with mistreatment and exploitation of sex workers. In a perfect* world perhaps women would be free to go in and out of this line of work in a way that never infringes on their human rights. But that certainly isn't the reality of the industry in today's world.

But for people who condemn prostitution on moral grounds, the failings of legalized prostitution are just a secondary point. I do believe that society's approach to sex is much more liberal now than sixty years ago. Perhaps this isn't as obvious in the polarized political climate of the United States. But even if the bible-thumpers suddenly all disappeared, I doubt very much that prostitution would suddenly become legal here or in other parts of the world. There is a fundamental moral abhorrence carried by a gigantic chunk of the world's population regardless of their religious or political leanings.

Now this says nothing about whether or not that moral abhorrence is grounds enough to outlaw prostitution. I don't like it, but does that give me the right to tell strangers that money in exchange for sex is illegal? Framing the question like that; most people will say "no". You need to approach from a different angle...

Put succinctly, lots of people dislike prostitution. They don't want their loved ones involved so they extend (force?) this view onto the people they care about: family, friends, community, an entire city, etc, etc, etc.

Since prostitution is largely illegal, it is not a heated debate in U.S. politics and consequently you don't see a lot of self-righteous jerks like me throwing their weight around. Legislators don't need to openly take a stance against prostitution since (well maybe not in this forum) the majority of people are fine with the way things are. If they aren't, they just move to or away from Nevada as necessary. Alternatively, they can write something constructive (or nasty and juvenile) on a web forum.

Is that a fact, now?

I don't think anyone who dislikes prostitution automatically has a "hang-up" about sex. Most people today don't adhere to the conservative stance on "no sex before marriage" but that doesn't automatically mean they are okay with prostitution. From personal and media observations it seems that most people in general do not approve of prostitution and that includes people who aren't tied down sexually by traditional conservative values. I'm willing to listen to evidence to the contrary. The overwhelming amount of laws in most countries that prohibit prostitution seems to indicate, at least for the time being, that the vast majority of people in the world disapprove of it. However, because of the way society is constantly veering towards a more liberal approach to sex, I wouldn't be surprised at all to one day see prostitution becoming legalized in more places.

I wouldn't want my kid to work in porn, but I certainly don't mind other people's kids doing it. ;)

About a page back I made a few posts about my experiences working at Wal-mart. Go back and read those over before you say that the sex industry is the only industry that takes advantage of its workers. Don't be like that Eshebaun fuck that completely ignored my posts and further tried to prove his point just like you're trying to now.

On top of that:

I'll put it plain and simple. I wouldn't want my loved ones working for any company, or industry, that would put them into a depressed state of mind, or feel physically exhausted in a non-healthy way. That being said, I'd never want my children working at Wal-mart.

The point is, EVERYONE is different. Some people enjoy working for companies just like Wal-mart, and there are others that enjoy spreading their legs/getting their freak on to make a living. The question is, why would society want to keep those people on the streets where they would be in danger, instead in a safe work environment?

I agree, it is moral legislation. It is possible to argue on non-moral grounds like mistreatment of sex workers and corruption in the industry. You can also argue (as some have done in this thread long ago) that all laws stem from a moral foundation.

I for one am glad for some (not all) of the laws that I perceive as moral legislation. Like laws that prohibit discrimination, ponzi schemes, animal abuse, child labor, polygamy, use of certain narcotics, etc.

I feel like this is the most common attitude towards prostitution as well.

Did I really say something like that? If so, my apologies. It might surprise you but I don't approve of taking advantage of anyone. Your analogy works on some levels, but prostitution is a radically different industry. I've never said to a friend, "Let's go to Vegas or Amsterdam so I can buy a couch for fifty bucks." I've never heard a girl say, "I wish they'd change the laws here so I can work at a cash register or be a store manager". I must also confess, Grail, that I find some of your arguments confusing. You take great care to illustrate how a legalized industry can still abuse its workers. Then you seem to propose that legalizing prostitution will invariably make it safer. Maybe in a perfect world, but even places where it is legal, prostitutes can and do endure mistreatment on a scale not applicable to even the least fortunate Wal-mart employee. From my research this may not be an inherent fault with the sex industry, but rather that it has a tendency to attract the wrong sort of people. People who corrupt the industry to a point that it becomes as bad as places where it is illegal.

Am I correct Grail, in saying that you wouldn't want your loved ones being prostitutes or wal-mart employees for the exact same reason? Like you, I wouldn't want my kids working in either business. But my reasons for not being a prostitute are different than my reasons for not working at wal-mart.