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gaming May 27, 2006 04:37 PM

I just saw the movie and I loved it! I loved the music too!

Cobra Commander May 27, 2006 09:53 PM

My friend just told me what happened since i wasn't that hyped to see it, man after knowing what will happen, I definetly want to wait till the crowds die down before I go see it.

KCJ506 May 28, 2006 02:06 AM

Check out the box office

Wow it even beat Spider-man 2!

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime...ge=open&p=.htm

Lukage May 28, 2006 02:15 AM

Letdowns:

Quote:

no big flaming bird
charles dying and then not
no real role for angel
"I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!"
not that i liked cyclops or anything, but to suggest his death....
i was kinda angry at the use of the "cure" against magneto
it just seemed like a complete about face for beast
Very little Colossus again
well, at least there was more than last time..... i liked that bobby "iced up"

Dewman May 28, 2006 04:17 AM

Spoiler:
stop bitching about people dieing.
Xavier obviously isn't dead, Jean is obviously gonna still be alive (refer to comics.... anywhere with the phoenix) and Cyclop's body was not found and there is enough cloning and time manipulation to resurrect him someway or another.



Also when is it safe to assume everyone has watched it, because using these spoiler tags is a bit of a bitch

lazuli May 28, 2006 04:55 AM

Spoiler:


This movie reeked of being built around special effects, at the expense of everything else. It's like they made the movie by saying "oh that would look so cool...let's put that in." After they'd had enough scenes to "wow" the audience then they put in everything else built around that. And boy did it show...everything else fell completely by the wayside...character development, plot, dialogue, editing, pacing, even music. Whenever I was paying attention to the music I was thinking, "What the heck is this? This sounds totally banal and is adding absolutely nothing to the experience." There's only one time the music struck me as being good and fitting, I'm not sure exactly where but it was a sad theme, perhaps for Xavier's funeral.

X-Men 1 began centered around Wolverine and Rogue. Rogue virtually disappears in this movie. Wolverine's still around plenty, but clearly the movie is pushing Storm as the lead X-Man now, maybe due to Halle Berry's strongarming. The scene where Mystique loses her powers was horrifyingly idiotic and mishandled, mainly because Magneto is SO abruptly out of character it was laughable, considering their relationship in the previous 2 movies and Mystique's role in those films. In a scene maybe a minute long Brett managed to basically say "die k thx bye!" to her character and everything the first 2 films built for her, and we don't see her again except for a few seconds later helping out the good guys. The sheer audacity with which he just dismisses already well-developed characters left and right while adding new ones which are pathetically underdeveloped is ...well, not good.

Jean Gray/Phoenix -- holy crap, I swear there was more time showing her just STANDING AROUND than anything else. "Oh I'm just going to stand here. Then I'll finally decide I want to start wreaking havoc at the appropriate time when the movie needs a really fancy SFX scene to bring the movie to a climax." Dark Phoenix looked more like an undead creature. Certainly creepy, but not very phoenix-y to me.

Geez, so many things were just so poorly handled and seemed like afterthought. The Iceman/Pyro duel lasted what, a minute or less? Angel has about 3 minutes of screen time. Juggernaut is an absolute joke. Colossus' main role in this movie is to throw Wolverine.

The dialogue was cheesy/poor probably more of the time than it was not, all of the emotional moments seemed to ring false.

How did Magneto manage to appear on TV making a terrorist threat against the nation, do all of what he did, and then he's suddenly in a park with lots of people at the end of the movie and nobody seems to even know who he is? Wouldn't there be like, a massive manhunt going on for him?

What's even more stupid is how by the end of the film, Ratner is basically trying to say "ok maybe I really didn't want to do that" -- he leaves the door open for all of the "deaths" to turn out otherwise. We don't REALLY see Cyclops die. Jean is the "phoenix" who can rise again if she wants to. The scene after the credits shows Xavier's mind in another body. He doesn't even have the guts to really make those deaths a certainty.

The sole good I find here is in Beast, who is a new character who at least gets enough screen time and development to work reasonably well.

Apparently, the scriptwriters removed their names from the script (they're not listed on the movie's imdb page anymore). Maybe Ratner departed from it so much that they were disgusted and didn't feel like it was the movie they wrote.

This doesn't feel like it's even in the same league as the first two movies. Oh well. Unfortunately eye candy is all a lot of people want out of their movies these days if the opening day gross says anything.


Misogynyst Gynecologist May 28, 2006 07:48 AM

To quote one of the great books of the 20th century - "You're a very pretty girl, so I don't mind your ignorance"

Yuna May 28, 2006 08:58 AM

I liked the movie a lot but it haven't impressed me as much as Xmen 2.

Spoiler:
What I really liked was the scene where Jean (Dark Phoenix) put her house to pieces along with Xavier.

Bradylama May 28, 2006 10:15 AM

Juggernaut was fucking righteous. Methinks some may put too much stock in a character who's around primarily to tear shit up and create some half-assed brotherly feud. Juggernaut tore up the place, and "I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!" was my favorite part of the movie, if nothing else, because it's the only joke that didn't feel forced.

It didn't help, either, I suppose, that the fucking tweens in front of us didn't get "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned."

What a dumb movie, though. Melodrama fucking abounds.

"Are we gonna close the school?"

"But, what, will, become, of us?"

"Hay guys I need a place 2 crash, lol."

"LOL YOU CANSTAY OK WE STAY!"

Crisis averted! 1 minute conundrum!

Angel was entirely incidental. If they pulled this shit they might as well have thrown in Gambit with the kinds of mutants they pulled out from their ass. Fucking Spike? Pawns go first, buddy.

"I kill people with hugs."

Yeah ok.

xiaowei May 28, 2006 10:48 AM

Yeah. I thought it was pretty funny that they were demonstrating powers. Mangeto was lifting the damn Golden Gate Bridge, Pyro setting things of fire, and Jean Grey disintergrating people. And then, there was Spike. "FWSHIP!"

I thought it was corny, absurb, and randomly changed from night to day when it suited the mood. But it was still good enjoyable summer movie.

SemperFidelis May 28, 2006 11:39 AM

Does Juggernaut really say it? This guy insists that he says it at the end of the credits, but I don't want to sit there and watch that to find out he doesn't.

nvm, found this video.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=A6cge738It0&search=i'm%20the%20juggernaut% 20bitch

avanent May 28, 2006 02:13 PM

ya, thats toward the end of the movie, maybe 15-20 min before the credits.


"I kill people with hugs."
agreed.

kupomog May 28, 2006 05:13 PM

I enjoyed the movie in terms of action and junk. Having not read any of the comics aside from an X-Men/Teen Titans crossover, I don't have much of a "i hope they stayed true to the comics" mentality. I did watch the cartoon in the past but can't remember any specifics.

Mainly the usage of some characters irritated me...mostly because mutants were underused. Kind of miffed that a bunch of mutants popped up only to be killed (like when three certain mutants just get disintegrated like no one's business at the end).

Spoiler:
I thought Angel was gonna play some super huge part in the movie with the way he was publicized by some of those crappy entertainment shows (as if they should really be listened to). He sparked some important things, the reason for making the cure and I suppose the idea to keep the school open, but didn't do much of anything otherwise. I was kind of expecting him to fight along side the X-Men. Not that big of a deal, I guess. By the same token, I was sad that Colossus didn't do much except throw Wolverine around.

Cyclops goes really early...especially for someone that I've always perceived as a huge part of the whole Phoenix thing in the first place. I started chuckling because the scene where Jean is seducing Wolverine reminded me of Famke playing Xenia Onatopp.

There was the Iceman/Rogue/Kitty love triangle...despite the fact that one side of the triangle was practically missing the entire time. I know Rogue had the whole first movie to play a key part, but she did little to nothing in this movie and she was always my favorite character from the cartoon. I've got nothing against Shadowcat/Kitty Pryde (I was getting really annoyed with some people sitting behind me who kept saying shit like "she looks like she's 10!"), she had that cute comeback against da Jugganaut, bitch. But it just seemed like she completely replaced Rogue which annoyed me. Then again, Rogue seems kind of useless without the powers she got from Ms. Marvel, and with what happened to her at the end...well at least it doesn't seem to be permanent.

I was kind of surprised with Xavier. Just the way he talked to Wolverine rather venomously at points shocked me since I never really knew an incarnation of Xavier that was ...well...mean. Not that it really bothered me, just something that stuck with me when I saw it because I didn't expect it.

I felt sad for Magneto at the end. Just because he looked so sad. I was surprised that he just abandoned Mystique like that. After the way they worked together in the other two movies, I would think he'd at least...I dunno...give her some clothes or something.


Action-wise, I've got nothing to really complain about, other than I wished I could've seen more of the other mutants like Psylocke, or seen some of my favorites used more. I saw Jubilee's name in the credits and didn't even remember seeing her in the movie. After seeing Ellen Page as Kitty Pryde, I can't really imagine Maggie Grace in that role at all. I remember when they wanted her to play Kitty back when she was finishing up on Lost. Beast was too great, loved him. I enjoy how his hair seems to defy gravity, hehe. Juggernaut said THE line but the voice wasn't working for me, only because I was so used to the dub voice and the cartoon voice to an extent.

It just wasn't really satisfying character wise. Story was cool, though, with idea of the cure. They certainly left it open enough for another movie with the effects of the cure at the end and the scene after the credits. Local radio DJs kept saying to stay after the credits every chance they got, heh. And now I go to talk to my comic-obsessed buddy to see how much he hated it. I already got a message from him complaining about the portrayal of Phoenix :x

rockthepartay May 28, 2006 07:05 PM

The emotions I felt while entering the theater for X3 nearly parallels the emotions I had going into X2. I thought I was really going to hate the movie. Unlike X2, in which I absolutely loved the movie, X3 left me pleasantly entertained, but I was not fully satisfied.

Anyone who complains about lack of character development, characters being misrepresented or whatever is beating a dead horse. These are the same complaints that have been brought up through each of the X-men movies and there were absolutely no signs of it changing for this one. The plot was actually pretty interesting, and the action was better than I thought it would turn out. Like everyone else, I felt the “j/k” type ending was absurd.

I’m sure many will question what Bryan Singer could have done with the film, but what we have is pretty decent. Supposedly a full hour of footage was cut, so maybe we’ll see some of it on the DVD.

Overall, probably not the best movie to close the series, but that is not the first time people have said that about trilogies that later became classics.

Acro-nym May 28, 2006 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCJ506
Check out the box office

Wow it even beat Spider-man 2!

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/alltime...ge=open&p=.htm

That's got to be the worst news I've gotten this week.

I posted most of my thoughts concerning the movie in my journal. However, I deglected to include this vital one: (Warning: Does contain sarcasm. If you are allergic, consult a physician, who will then laugh at you.)

Woo hoo! Another Wolverine-based movie! Sure brilliance.

EDIT: Could someone please PM me with info about what happens in the bonus scene? (Marketing needs to tell me about these things...)

VitaPup May 28, 2006 07:24 PM

rocktheparty, where did you hear about that much footage being cut? I think X2 did a good job building up the characters and plot and perhaps that extra footage was much needed to do the same in this movie.

rockthepartay May 28, 2006 10:03 PM

Well, the key word is "supposedly." I do not have a credible source for that. I'm sorry. I guess I'm just really hoping that it is true so that my opinion of the movie can change.

I only mentioned it because I remember reading about it on some comic book message board on Friday when I was reading fan reviews and a friend of mine said something around those lines as well when I was talking to him about the movie. If I remember correctly, some scenes were Juggernaut Vs. Colossus and a Wolverine flashback.

So, I just felt that it was worth mentioning. I wouldn't take it as fact at all.

Cirno May 28, 2006 10:17 PM

I went to see the movie again today, this time with my family. While they enjoyed it, they still found the deaths in the movie a little jarring. My father thought the "rebirth" after the credits to subtract from the film (I thought it kind of fit, considering this is a comic book and these are comic book deaths).

After seeing it again, I liked it more than I originally did. The scene in Jean's house was well done and I particularly liked the music that occupanied it. The movie's fun, but it still managed to bug me for many of the same reasons I've already mentioned in this thread.

quazi May 28, 2006 10:46 PM

Something I found particularly surprising about the movie was the complete shift in Magneto's character. In the first two he comes off as a driven man, doing what he thinks is for the good of all mutants. However, in the third he turns into a cruel bastard. For example, in the scene with the convoy, Magneto kills all the cops driving around the truck when he could simply have thrown the cars to the side. For me, this didn't ring true with what Magneto had been doing in the earlier films.

Cirno May 28, 2006 11:49 PM

Magneto was practically out of character throughout the film.

Soldier May 29, 2006 12:45 AM

Already posted a lengthy review in my journal, but I'll join in the random bitching.

I don't see why everyone keeps saying "everyone dies", when

Spoiler:
it was only 3 notable people, and one of them comes back in the end.


If there's one death I was upset over, it was

Spoiler:
Psylocke. As if it wasn't lame enough that they made her a bad guy, she doesn't even do anything notable. What a complete waste of a well-known character, they should have saved her for a fight with the Shadow King.


Making part 4 about Mr Sinister and Cyclops might save the series, but that probably won't happen for another 5+ years.

Cirno May 29, 2006 12:59 AM

The films are set in too "realistic" of a world to feature anything like the Shadow King or the Shi'ar Empire.

Soldier May 29, 2006 01:12 AM

It's got a flaming chick who can atomize people. I think the line's been crossed.

Plus they could always come up with a semi-convincing story for Shadow King. I still prefer Mr Sinister, followed by Apocalypse.

But screw them both, they need a movie with nothing but Sentinels.

Zephos May 29, 2006 02:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by quazi
Something I found particularly surprising about the movie was the complete shift in Magneto's character. In the first two he comes off as a driven man, doing what he thinks is for the good of all mutants. However, in the third he turns into a cruel bastard. For example, in the scene with the convoy, Magneto kills all the cops driving around the truck when he could simply have thrown the cars to the side. For me, this didn't ring true with what Magneto had been doing in the earlier films.

Spoiler:
He's not really out of character, it just seems he developed but we missed a lot of it, along with the rest of the cast. We saw glimpses of his human emotions, particularly when Xavier's death was concerned (he calls our "Charles!" when he melts, and gives Pyro a good shutting-down), but the fact that war was upon them meant he couldn't very likely be namby-pamby about his treatment of the enemy. Didn't he practically strangle that guy in the chains at the end of X2 (forgive me for forgetting names)? He has to show strength as the leader of the Brotherhood, so I thought most of his behaviour was well justified. The Mystique thing was jarring though. I won't deny that, but I don't think she betrayed Magneto in return at all; didn't the information she provided lead to the "fake" camp, with the guy who duplicates himself? Or maybe they were initially there, but moved for that purpose. Who knows?
Magneto's "death" scene was appropriately dramatic. I liked it a lot. Very theatrical. As opposed to Wolverine's "no!!". Okay, he's upset, but he can hardly yell out no when he was the one to do it, for the greater good of all.

Xavier, Xavier, Xavier. He was a right bastard when it came to Jean and the "barriers", and Wolverine apparently waking her up (and here I thought she did so of her own accord). Hypocritical, too, after the whole ethics class. Still, it wouldn't have been so bad if he had developed and saw what he did (messing with her mind) was wrong, despite the best intentions. It just seemed he was crabby in this film, and a little too self-righteous, and that we missed a bit between films.

Ack, I keep remembering more problems now. How the hell did Jean awake? Cyclops' beam hitting the water? It was a little contrived he decided to ride all the way out to the lake again for no particular reason, and beam the water in anger. Also, it was a bit rich that Storm had her speech at Xavier's funeral about his teachings living on through them and the school but five minutes later doubting whether to keep the school open purely for a "subtly dramatic/tense" scene, with entrance by Angel and resolution of the issue resolved within a minute. I won't even go into Rogue's mess of a storyline. Her problem was solved before it really began. Is she as useless in the comic books? I was looking forward to her using her powers against the Brotherhood in the last battle but was sorely disappointed. It seems they just left her power as a burden. Then again, it did set up for a legitimate reason for a cure. Not everyone has cool abilities like telekinesis and magnetism so it's understandable she'd want to be normal if it meant human contact.


Then again, I loved the movie. The effects were absolutely stunning, and captured my imagination on more than one occasion. And heck, it's and X-Men movie. Of course I'd like it. There were far more good points than bad, so I won't even mention them.

WolfDemon May 29, 2006 02:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kupomog
Spoiler:
I was kind of surprised with Xavier. Just the way he talked to Wolverine rather venomously at points shocked me since I never really knew an incarnation of Xavier that was ...well...mean. Not that it really bothered me, just something that stuck with me when I saw it because I didn't expect it.

Spoiler:
Yeah, especially when he said to Wolverine, "I don't have to explain myself. Least of all to you." Ouch.


Quote:

Originally Posted by quazi
For example, in the scene with the convoy, Magneto kills all the cops driving around the truck when he could simply have thrown the cars to the side. For me, this didn't ring true with what Magneto had been doing in the earlier films.

Spoiler:
He did kill that one guy pretty hard in X2 by pulling out all the excess iron Mystique put in him.


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