In summary, I think possibly the worst words that I should ever have to hear are "I had a good time tonight."

ORLY. Care to expand on that? Give me more than the normative prerequisite for spending my money.

What he means is that he thinks women secretly prefer the obnoxious, rude types, but they veil it behind the "I like confident men" statement.

Which is retarded.

No, I just think that most of the young ones can't tell the difference.

Welllllllll, some women do. Not all, but a lot of women LOVE that sort. My sister being one of them.

Personally, I can't stomache them.

You and your retarded stereotypes. I bet most people on eHarmoney don't give a shit about failure. The reason it DRAWS people is because they want to stop wasting years of their life hoping a random encounter turns into a soul mate.

First of all, jackass,, it's HARMONY. Not HARMONEY.

I don't know about you, but if I know a person isn't right for me, my brain says "GEE. MAYBE YOU SHOULD MOVE ON."

Are you seriously this slow?

Sass, I'm curious, what's your feeling about traditional matchmaking services? You know, those video dating things, phone line ones (are they actually anything other than glorified sex lines?), and speed dating services.

I'm a little frightened by your asking. I am sure you have an ulterior motivation, and you're going to pidgeonhole me.

Traditional matchmaking services? Like an old Jewess dingbat? ^_^

I don't really know. I kind of frown on them, too. I mean, its not too hard to go out and talk to people, is it? And of the pool you speak to every now and then, you can't find anyone you'd like to explore? I mean, maybe its me, but I LOVE to explore people, you know?

I don't think personal ads, video dating services, and all that bullshit works too well. Maybe its just me, but, you know, I think only *I* can judge best. Even if a person shares my interests, political views, whatever - that doesn't mean they're going to be more likely to match what I am looking for, you know? Maybe I WANT someone different, who does things differently, SEES things differently.

But then, I am a crazy bitch who is really hard to follow. I guess what I am saying is that I would never want someone to match me up with anyone else. I can do it myself, you know?

Maybe if I had no time, I was never around people, or something, I would have an excuse. But even on the JOB, you can meet people.

And I guess thats my entire point. People should just meet other people as much as possible, even if they fucking HATE other people. Believe me, I am no advocate for the love of every person. I usually end up disliking most people.

But the fact is that I got out there and I tried by myself. And I am sure a lot of people on eHarmony have, too. But I HATE to think its just a tool for people to be lazy and excuse themselves from social interaction (like VG, for instance.) Bothers the living hell out of me.

Did I rant enough?

Same here. What about newspaper personals? Those are almost exactly the same as 'net personals, right? (N/M you answered already.)

I think eHarmony is a lot of fluff. The commercials show all these couples who fell in love and got married through them, but what is the failure-to-success rate? How many people meet, and then decide they can't stand each other? How many of those people meet "fall in love", get married and then divorce soon after?

The way it's portrayed in the commercials, it appears that you're guaranteed to find the love of your life. In fact, isn't that what the founder dude says? (Aside from guaranteeing it.)

Yea, a big thing you should keep in mind is that its a business. It's not there to make your life better, though I am sure it provides a service to a certain amount of the population out there.

But they're in this to make money. Not to make the world a better place, one match at a time.

We're having a conversation about method. Is that suddenly not ALLOWED, Devo?

Why the fuck would anyone care what another member believed in religiously? Why the fuck would one member care about another's taste in video games?

Hm. I WONDER.

You're not hating on us because that's how you hooked up with your dude, are you Dev? (And by "how" I mean "over the internet". GFF isn't really meant to be a match-making sight. (I think.))

I mean, I could sort of understand if eharmony was a scheme and it worked for no one. Then people can get up-in-arms. But it works, so I don't see what the fuss is.

I'm not saying that at all.

I think internet relationships are usually much different from real-life relationships. I feel this way because 99.999999999% percent of people you'll meet online are a good bit different in person from their online persona.

I've met 5 people offline after "getting to know" them online. All of them were different. (Sure, they were a lot LIKE their online personas, but there were some big differences once I met them face to face.)

Hell, 2 of the girls I've met (and spoke with frequently) online were perky (to an annoying level) online, but shy as HELL in real life. If they'd have been up my ass face to face as much as they were online, I'd have smacked them.

Getting to know people online is far removed from getting to know them IRL. It's not fucking natural (or healthy) to type back and forth with someone you're in an intimate relationship with. (That's *my standard*, but it seems like a reasonable one to me. I think it would be pretty odd to meet someone IRL who is LITERALLY named Super Mario. Also, think how close a parent would be to their kids if the only contact they had to them was through a PC.)

In essence, meet people online. Get to know them in real life. (Unless all you're looking for is an online relationship.)

You completely misunderstood that post. Read it and understand it, please.

But other than that, feel free to be insulted for no reason!

Feelings or ideas are easliy misunderstood online. I agree with eks, somewhat. I don't think it's a bad thing to have online friends, but when it comes to guy/girl relationships, you've got to be together in person (obviously). You can't make babies over the internet.

They actually DO affect my life.

Its the mentality of letting other people do things for you when you think you can't. Its the state of mind. Its the enabling aspect.

The entire fucking country is turning into this whole shithouse of "I can't do it. It's too hard." This is just the icing on the cake. You can no longer get laid without aid from some outside (commercialized) force.

Pretty sad if you ask me.

And as for you, Smoodle - I don't think I will.

Sass, how about speed dating? You're out there in a physical place (be it a bar, restaurant, or some other social place) meeting lots of people. Sure, it's a little more forced than just hanging out at the place, but you're still getting all the face-to-face interaction that you were whining about earlier.

Personally, the biggest thing keeping me from going out and meeting people isn't that I'm afraid of being rejected, it's that I'm really really fucking cheap and don't want to buy someone dinner when there's a pretty good chance I'll think they're an insipid meatbag.

Then again, I guess after going through the introductory eHarmony thing I can see the appeal to it. For example, I know I can't be attracted to someone that's not self-motivated and that's a pretty tough trait to pick up just by looking at someone (and a bit of an awkward question to ask someone on a first date).

What? Understand it? It's actually a pretty simple point.

Ok where were we? Oh, that's right: argument for argument's sake.

Did I not just go over the mentality for you, Devo?

I don't care about people getting laid this way so much as I do the ENABLING IDIOTS part of it.

Repeat. Repeat. Repeat. ENABLING.

So you don't want people with poor social skills to be able to enjoy their life? =\