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Inhert Oct 17, 2006 11:33 PM

I'm pretty sure it's the movie Fifth element...if that's what you wanted to know XD

anyway I really like that XMB, I have a psp and I think it was the ebst solution to go for that for the ps3 too

and I really like the feature for showing digital photo^^

Metal Sphere Oct 17, 2006 11:37 PM

Yup, that's the "chase scene" towards the beginning of the movie. One of my favorite parts of that film, that's for sure.

However, the BR transfer for the movie is terrible. Definitely stick with the Superbit version and upscale.

Soldier Oct 17, 2006 11:43 PM

That movie's had a ton of re-releases, though, so I wouldn't be surprised if they released a "real" BR edition; within the year, at that.

I'd be happy if they at least showed various clips from movies in a BR demo disc, though, same as the games.

Metal Sphere Oct 18, 2006 06:23 AM

Here's some screens of that e-distribution game, Criminal Crackdown:

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.jo..._crackdown.jpg

Gamers Day videos:

Full Auto 2 - http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/825/825014/vids_1.html

Virtua Fighter 5 - http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/641/641054/vids_1.html

Sonic the Hedgehog - http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/770/770960/vids_1.html

Omnislash124 Oct 18, 2006 08:15 AM

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His publishing company estimates that PS3 sales will total 34 million, trumping a guesstimated 28 Xbox 360 units sold and 25 million Wii sales by 2009. Yup, Famitsu has also picked Nintendo's Wii as the next gen loser.
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Even if it sounds like a legitimate statistic, it doesn't seem to likely to me since the PS2 was about 30 million units about 3 years out, I don't see the PS3 selling more than the PS2 at the same time, considering a higher price tag. I'm trying not to be biased, but is this realistic?

Slayer X Oct 18, 2006 09:39 AM

I don't know how people think that they can predict the future. It all has to do with the titles that come out over the years after launch. The launch of something is only a piece of the puzzle to unlocking success. In my eyes any of the consoles can "lose" at this point... as far as sales goes. If the PS3 has as many good titles as the PS2 it may sell more then the other two, but because Nintendo is making profit right from launch on all Wii products including the system I wouldn't be surprised if the Wii has the most profit earned five years from now. (as long as it has a more consistant release schedule then the GC did which gave up two years ago).

Also while I think the PS3 will most likely overtake the 360, because the Wii is cheap, one of a kind (sorta), and marketed as your secondary system, in theory as long as it connects well with the user base it should have more units sold then either the 360 or the PS3... though not quite Next-gen you can decide later as to what it's actually won five years from now, lol. (Hey you won the console war against no competators... good for you Nintendo)

Metal Sphere Oct 18, 2006 12:16 PM

It's as simple as this: The Games. period. If Sony simply keeps delivering the old favorites along with new titles, people will buy the machine. The vast majority of casuals will likely pass over the other two in favor of "the next playstation" due to their experiences with the machine for two gens.

Of course, the price will slow sales considerably in post-Holiday times, so they may have to deal with the inevitable lagging demand because of it.

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/...1018/ps301.jpg

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/...1018/ps312.jpg

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/...1018/ps302.jpg

http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/game/...1018/ps313.jpg

Anyone know what a 'Package File' is?

PS3 Functionality explored

It looks like some of the Japanese press has received PS3s and they've gone at the thing throwing everything they can think of. Connecting external storage devices via USB has already been confirmed, even so, there's quite a bit left to test.

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October 18, 2006 - Leading up to the 11/11 Japanese PS3 release, the Japanese gaming press has taken delivery of PS3 demo units. Included in the lucky bunch is the multimedia division of Impress Watch, whose editorial staff was good enough to put together a feature detailing the PS3's multimedia playback.

We previously described most of the functionality available from the PS3's Cross Media Bar (XMB) interface. Impress offers a few new details. Selecting the "Display Settings" icon from the settings menu gives you access to a menu for chosing your display connection. You can select from "Component or D Cable," "Composite or S-Video," and "AV Multi or SCART." The system displays clear images indicating which plug is which, so beginners shouldn't have too much trouble in getting set up.

The PS3 is capable of selecting resolution for you automatically. However, if you want to select your own resolution, you can chose from 480p, 1080i, 720p, 1080p and "custom." We're not sure what the last one is just yet.

You also have full control over the form of audio that the PS3 outputs. From the Audio Output section of the menu, you can select from Dolby Digital 5.1, DTS 5.1 and AAC, as well as Linear PCM with 2ch, 5.1ch and 7.1ch available in 44.1kHz, 88.2kHz, 48kHz and 192kHz. You can also set this to automatic in case you're not interested in the details. You have three audio cable options available: HDMI, optical and AV Multi.

To set up Blu-Ray playback, you go into the BD/DVD section of the settings menu. Here, you can select the disk's menu language and the default audio and subtitle languages, which isn't anything new if you've used a PSP or one of the Japanese-only PSX systems before.

Good news for those worried about the slow start-up times with current next generation optical disc players. The PS3 loads up a Blu-Ray movie fast. Impress sampled the US version of Fifth Element (Japan won't take shipment of its first commercial Blu-Ray movies until early November) and found that the PS3 took less than 10 seconds to start up the disc after it had been selected from the video section of the Cross Media Bar.

Incidentally, there seems to be a slight difference between when you insert a game disc and a Blu-Ray disc into the PS3. When you put in a Blu-Ray disc, you have to select the disc from the video menu in order to begin playback. With game discs, the system automatically starts playback. The Impress article didn't make mention of a menu option for switching automatic playback for game discs off.

Startup as a whole seems to be pretty quick for the PS3. Impress reports that the time from powering up the system to the appearance of the Sony Computer Entertainment logo is about 10 seconds. Following that, it's another 2 to 3 seconds before the XMB appears. You only see the PlayStation logo when playing games.

Impress describes the PS3's Blu-Ray playback as "simple." The site reports no problems with pop-up menus and other Blu-Ray disc features.

The PS3 is capable of more than just Blu-Ray playback. It's also capable of playing back video directly from the hard disk. Impress was able to play a 1920 x 1080 MPEG2 from hard disk. It's unclear at this point if users will be able to play back VC-1 and H.264 encoded files from the hard disk, although these high powered codecs are, of course, playable from Blu-Ray discs.

In addition to video playback, Impress was also able to sample the PS3's music features. The system can rip CDs to MP3, AAC and ATRAC3 formats, allowing for bit rates of up to 352 kbps. The PS3 is also capable of going online to read into the AMG music database in order to get track information.

One of the cool things about multimedia playback is that the PS3 can play back external files. By connecting a PSP to the PS3 via USB, the music, movies and images that are on the Memory Stick loaded into the PSP become accessible from the video, music and photo menus on the PS3. It's unclear if this is the case when the two systems are communicating via Wi-Fi.

Impress wasn't able to get details on the mysterious "Remote Play" icon from the XMB menu, which promised some sort of PSP connectivity. However the latest issue of Famitsu hints that you'll be able to use this option to enjoy your PS3's movies and music on your PSP. A PSP update is set to coincide with the launch of the PS3, and should make this area a bit clearer.

Another mysterious icon in the PS3 Cross Media Bar is found in the system settings section. The menu has an option labeled "Other System Install," whose function is currently unknown. Linux, maybe?

These are just a few of the PS3's features that remain in the dark at this point. We hope to get clarification leading up to launch or, at the very latest, once we've sampled retail units for ourselves on 11/11.

Rock Oct 18, 2006 02:51 PM

The more PS3 screenshots I see, the more I'm wondering how in hell you're supposed to read those tiny fonts on a regular TV. It's impossible!

Metal Sphere Oct 18, 2006 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SCHWARZE-3
The more PS3 screenshots I see, the more I'm wondering how in hell you're supposed to read those tiny fonts on a regular TV. It's impossible!

They won't be that small on a regular TV, mostly due to the lower resolution.

Rock Oct 18, 2006 02:56 PM

So everything will just be bigger on a regular TV? I'm wondering how they're going to pull this off for games and the browser, for example.

Soldier Oct 18, 2006 02:58 PM

I swear, I'm trying not to get too fanboyish with these updates, but when I read more and more of all the near-endless features this system contains, I can't help but lose some of my composure.

What I wonder now, is if by setting up the video and audio options on the system means that those options will carry over to every PS3 game you'll play. It would be nice to never have to manually configure each game to suit your setup preferences if they're all loaded from the system.

I'm a bit perplexed by the HDMI Audio option. I thought the PS3 only had one HDMI output, so how are you supposed to hook up an additional one to your home theater? Or does this merely apply to the audio you'd get from the system-to-TV connection?

Metal Sphere Oct 18, 2006 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SCHWARZE-3
So everything will just be bigger on a regular TV? I'm wondering how they're going to pull this off for games and the browser, for example.

Run your computer at the lowest resolution you can, you'll see what I mean. I've connected my videocard to CRT sets and they've got a very low maximum resolution, resulting in everything looking huge.

Remember, we're looking at pictures of a massive TV. Realistically, that "small font" is actually pretty big on the screen. Not to mention its color.

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I swear, I'm trying not to get too fanboyish with these updates, but when I read more and more of all the near-endless features this system contains, I can't help but lose some of my composure.
GAF is losing its fucking mind, so I'm glad you're keeping it cool. They're going on about Media Center, Emulating on Yellow Dog, BC for PS1 and PS2, FTWs, etc...

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What I wonder now, is if by setting up the video and audio options on the system means that those options will carry over to every PS3 game you'll play. It would be nice to never have to manually configure each game to suit your setup preferences if they're all loaded from the system.
Who knows, that may be so. I know the controller settings are saved on the HDD so you don't have to redo them everytime.

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I'm a bit perplexed by the HDMI Audio option. I thought the PS3 only had one HDMI output, so how are you supposed to hook up an additional one to your home theater? Or does this merely apply to the audio you'd get from the system-to-TV connection?
I think you can designate the HDMI to be the video, and then seperately make the optical out the path through which the sound goes to your receiver.

map car man words telling me to do things Oct 18, 2006 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SCHWARZE-3
So everything will just be bigger on a regular TV? I'm wondering how they're going to pull this off for games and the browser, for example.

You can set two resolutions. One for the OS (and thus the picture viewers, videos, browser, etc), and then game output. I'm fairly certain if you select 1080i for games, the console uses this for every PS3 game you put in. Still no idea about how it'll handle PS2 and 1 titles, though.

As for "bigger", it's the same thing as changing resolutions on your monitor. Smaller resolutions will make default fonts and icons larger because you're essentially zoomed up close. If you plug in a component cable, the only thing stopping you from outputting at ridiculously high resolutions (and thus smaller text, even though there wasn't that big of a difference, since the menu scales somewhat) on a 20" TV is how much the TV itself can output. Alternatively, feel free to plug in HDMI and outputting at 480.

Soldier Oct 18, 2006 03:12 PM

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GAF is losing its fucking mind, so I'm glad you're keeping it cool. They're going on about Media Center, Emulating on Yellow Dog, BC for PS1 and PS2, FTWs, etc...
Oh, I'm the same. You don't need to be a fanboy to know that this system is opening a world of possibilities here. Transfering saved videos to watch on the PS3 (no more burning DVDs with Nero), custom soundtracks, and god knows how many emulators.

The emulator thing could especially be something huge. Just think, if the PS3 manages to emulate SNES, Genesis, N64 etc games with no hiccups whatsoever, then this would be a major blow to the Wii's VC. Who's going to pay $5-$10 when you can download all the games you want for free, including fan translations of some of the stuff that's remained in Japan? I wouldn't be surprised if Sony was thinking the same thing.

Metal Sphere Oct 18, 2006 03:12 PM

Here's a ~20min demonstration of the PS3's XMB.

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Originally Posted by Qwarky
You can set two resolutions. One for the OS (and thus the picture viewers, videos, browser, etc), and then game output. I'm fairly certain if you select 1080i for games, the console uses this for every PS3 game you put in. Still no idea about how it'll handle PS2 and 1 titles, though.

PS1 and PS2 games? Easy, it'll simply upscale them to whatever resolution you set games to run at. Now, if this is a desirable thing depends on who you ask and how robust its BC features are (if this thing can apply 4x AA and some kind of AF to PS1/PS2 games, it'll breathe new life into them).

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As for "bigger", it's the same thing as changing resolutions on your monitor. Smaller resolutions will make default fonts and icons larger because you're essentially zoomed up close. If you plug in a component cable, the only thing stopping you from outputting at ridiculously high resolutions (and thus smaller text, even though there wasn't that big of a difference, since the menu scales somewhat) on a 20" TV is how much the TV itself can output. Alternatively, feel free to plug in HDMI and outputting at 480.
Yeah, that's pretty much it.

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Originally Posted by SOLDIER
Oh, I'm the same. You don't need to be a fanboy to know that this system is opening a world of possibilities here. Transfering saved videos to watch on the PS3 (no more burning DVDs with Nero), custom soundtracks, and god knows how many emulators.

Tell me about it, this thing is shaping up to be quite the multimedia master.

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The emulator thing could especially be something huge. Just think, if the PS3 manages to emulate SNES, Genesis, N64 etc games with no hiccups whatsoever, then this would be a major blow to the Wii's VC. Who's going to pay $5-$10 when you can download all the games you want for free, including fan translations of some of the stuff that's remained in Japan? I wouldn't be surprised if Sony was thinking the same thing.
I wouldn't go that far and say that Sony deliberately sought out to do this, officially. Linux is simply a means to get their Playstation PC in homes as a computer, but it's other implications are huge. Apparently there's already quite a few compatible Linux emulators for older consoles.

Like you said, if the PS3's 512MB and 3.2Ghz can run these smoothly enough, it's not a good thing for the Wii's VC.

Edit: More stuff confirmed:

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-they confirm bluetooth devices will work with the ps3, including cell phone headsets.
-they confirm you can hook up old ps2 eyetoy, or the new eyetoy2
-you can adjust mouse settings. like right or left handed, and pointer speed.
-you can assign music to photo slide shows.
Source

Soldier Oct 18, 2006 04:46 PM

Tommorow's schedule, according to GAF.

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11.30-1 p.m: Developer Roundtable "Developing Games for PlayStation 3"
1 p.m: Travel to XXXX Studios
2 p.m.-3 p.m. Presentation at XXXX studios
3 p.m. - 5 p.m. PlayStation 3 Arcade (i.e. Hands-On with PS3, I'm looking forward to this part)
5 p.m.- 8 p.m. Cocktails and Live Musical Performance
Looks like the real news will begin by the time I'm out of work. Good timing.

map car man words telling me to do things Oct 18, 2006 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Metal Sphere
Edit: More stuff confirmed:

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-they confirm bluetooth devices will work with the ps3, including cell phone headsets.
-they confirm you can hook up old ps2 eyetoy, or the new eyetoy2
-you can adjust mouse settings. like right or left handed, and pointer speed.
-you can assign music to photo slide shows.

Yeah, I saw some of those for myself. The menu had a "Register Bluetooth device" selection, as well as options for mouse hand, and USB keyboard key repeat speed and interval.

http://www.ps3blogi.fi/images/ps3_14_1161119322.jpg

Metal Sphere Oct 18, 2006 05:01 PM

Whoa, great find Qwarky! That's the best shot I've seen of the keyboard/mouse/pointer setup area of the XMB.

Got anymore? Oh and it looks like we're going to be in for a treat tomorrow from 2-5

Soldier Oct 18, 2006 05:03 PM

This reminds me of that one episode where Homer buys a ton of crap for his car, including a DVD player, mini oven, and fog machine.

"Even I find this excessive."

I really don't see the use in a cellphone headset, unless it's a cheaper and smaller alternative for online voice chat.

One thing I hope they create is a wireless version of the Logitech keyboard controller made for PS2. It's an absolute neccesity for MMORPGs like FFXI, but it's also a pain to use with 3 wires connected to my system.

map car man words telling me to do things Oct 18, 2006 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Metal Sphere
Whoa, great find Qwarky! That's the best shot I've seen of the keyboard/mouse/pointer setup area of the XMB.

Got anymore? Oh and it looks like we're going to be in for a treat tomorrow from 2-5

Why thank you, I'm pleased people like them.

And yes I do, but the text I wrote is in finnish, unfortunately. If you see any pic that needs explaining, I can go into detail.

http://www.ps3blogi.fi/171006213859_omfgps3wtf.html


Or alternatively, if there's any specific thing you'd like me to take a shot of, I can try tomorrow or Friday when I'm at work.

Cobalt Katze Oct 18, 2006 05:06 PM

Awesome, downloading the PSM dealy :)

Just wanted to let folks know... If you're lacking an HDTV, but you have a monitor with DVI input, there are HDMI->DVI cables out there that should let you connect the PS3. Only about 25ish bucks for a 3 foot cable, which should be long enough.

The only problem though, is that well, my computer uses the monitor's DVI in ;) And if I wanted to get some sort of switchbox, the only option I've been able to find is a DVI KVM Switch which is 160 bucks... Does anyone know of a potentially cheaper solution?

Metal Sphere Oct 18, 2006 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwarky
Why thank you, I'm pleased people like them.

And yes I do, but the text I wrote is in finnish, unfortunately. If you see any pic that needs explaining, I can go into detail.

I've got a few...
  • In the closeup of the slot loader, the arrow facing the drive, is that a button or some kind of sensor? Is the power button also a sensor or some kind of button? It could either be pressure or heat sensitive. If you don't know, just say that, no biggie.
  • Does the PS3 controller's "PS" button have a name that you know of, and does it glow red during use or after you press it?
  • In the picture where you're holding the Sixaxis with one hand, did it feel too light? I never got to hold it in one hand at the show, and I was too busy getting Resistance impressions to pay too much attention to it.
  • How responsive is the XMB? Any bits where it chugged or lagged?
  • In the resolution menu, I see all the expected resolutions but in the Japanese photos, there seems to be a custom option after 1080p. Is that present anywhere in the model you have available?
  • Have you tried the following items on the PS3:

    - Digital Camera
    - MP3 Player/Ipod
    - Keyboard/Mouse
  • What's with the controller charge screen? How did you get there and what exactly do you do while seeing it?

Sorry for all the questions.

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http://www.ps3blogi.fi/171006213859_omfgps3wtf.html


Or alternatively, if there's any specific thing you'd like me to take a shot of, I can try tomorrow or Friday when I'm at work.
Hmm, could you try and get us a look at the console's vents to try and see what's cooling this thing? Everything else is just great, the quality of the photos is excellent, so any more photos you take is entirely up to you.

Oh, one last question Qwarky. That television... Did you have hot sex with it?
Seriously is that the European version of the XBR3 seen in the Japanese photos? How's the image quality? Screen Door Effect? Color Uniformity?

eprox1 Oct 18, 2006 05:29 PM

Has anybody gotten a PS3 kiosk in at their local Best Buys yet? Weren't you guys saying that they were supposed to start going up today? I'm curious to go check it out and see if they have a playable PS3 up and running...

Metal Sphere Oct 18, 2006 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueBomber
Has anybody gotten a PS3 kiosk in at their local Best Buys yet? Weren't you guys saying that they were supposed to start going up today? I'm curious to go check it out and see if they have a playable PS3 up and running...

There's one impression going around online, but it sounds too much like a schill or at least too biased to really take seriously. If you want, I can put it up. The official roll out for the kiosks is the 20th.

map car man words telling me to do things Oct 18, 2006 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Metal Sphere
In the closeup of the slot loader, the arrow facing the drive, is that a button or some kind of sensor? Is the power button also a sensor or some kind of button? It could either be pressure or heat sensitive. If you don't know, just say that, no biggie.

I really don't know what exactly it uses. I can't imagine Sony would be stupid enough to start blowing money on something like heat sensing sensors, but they both felt part of the surface, not clickable buttons. We're still debating whether the power buttons does the reset/power off thing the same way as the PS2, or whether it differentiates between a quick tap and a proper press down.

Oh and pressing eject while the tray is empty makes the PS3 beep like it's very crossed at you.

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Does the PS3 controller's "PS" button have a name that you know of, and does it glow red during use or after you press it?
I've no official name for it, no. I just use "PS" button for it myself. I'm not entirely sure when the red light activates. It seems to go red when you charge the controller, and when you connect to the console (that is, press the PS button to get a connection to the console).

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In the picture where you're holding the Sixaxis with one hand, did it feel too light? I never got to hold it in one hand at the show, and I was too busy getting Resistance impressions to pay too much attention to it.
I'm not sure what your idea of too light is, but it did seem uncomfortably light to me. I figured it's due to the wireless, since I'm so used to cables weighing controllers down. The new L2 and R2 buttons felt very flimsy to me and I kept wishing they and the analogue sticks were stiffer.

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How responsive is the XMB? Any bits where it chugged or lagged?
It's very much like on the PSP. You can go back and forth and sometimes very randomly it might hold for a very small pause. It doesn't lag quite as much as on the PSP, but it was there (though rare and short).

Oh and the controller has ridiculously long signal reach. We must have had like 15 meters between us and the console, besides a good three or four walls (from a different hallway) and a game stand and it still worked.

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In the resolution menu, I see all the expected resolutions but in the Japanese photos, there seems to be a custom option after 1080p. Is that present anywhere in the model you have available?
I vaguely remember seeing a custom option in the Settings resolution. The pic in the blog entry was from the game resolution and that only listed that. It's possible that the custom option appears for games in a later firmware.

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Have you tried the following items on the PS3:

- Digital Camera
- MP3 Player/Ipod
- Keyboard/Mouse
I said this in my (journal) entry, but we didn't get to try much because the firmware in the PS3 didn't really have anything. We got the PS3 online, but that was absolutely no use at all since there was no browser :tpg:

We put in a Memory stick pro duo and though the console seemed to recognize it (a light next to the reader came on), there was no browser so we couldn't check content.

We're upgrading the firmware soon and playable code arrives on Monday I think so I'm definitely going to do another entry and more shots.

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What's with the controller charge screen? How did you get there and what exactly do you do while seeing it?
That was me fooling around. If you hold the PS button for like five seconds, that screen pops up asking if you want to shut down the controller (I guess it disconnects (powers off) and thus charges faster) or shut down the console. After you shut the console down and press the PS button, the PS3 powers back up. I'm told the 360 has the same feature.

What's odd is that there is no properties screen for the controller. On the PSP you can check battery charge status and it'll show you the charge level in percentages, but this screen only shows whether the controller is like completely empty or half empty. Maybe there'll be a separate screen for each bluetooth device connected, who knows.


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Hmm, could you try and get us a look at the console's vents to try and see what's cooling this thing? Everything else is just great, the quality of the photos is excellent, so any more photos you take is entirely up to you.
I can try taking a pic of the big fan which you can see through the slightly see-through bottom. The cooling system works like on a laptop, in that it activates every now and then and even then it's really quiet. Well no, that's wrong. It does pump out (very) hot air continuously, but you hear a slightly louder (still quiet) whir every once in a while for a short while.

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I wanted to steal that TV so fucking bad, I swear. It's the most gorgeous thing I've seen in ages, especially when we switched to 1080i. And usually I hate how TVs like this look.


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