I dunno. I caught Raw last night and for all the rewrites they probably had to do after Kennedy's implication in the steroid fiasco, having Hornswoggle become Vince's bastard son was a reasonably good swerve.

In lieu of a push for Vince's current golden boy, why not go for the completely ludicrous? Someone in the company already likes Hornswoggle enough to put gold on him. Making him an heir is just plain hilarious. Can you imagine Hornswoggle as a GM or Commissioner? That'd be over the top, but in a good way.

Honestly, I think this was a decent save. The writers could've done much worse.

Hmm don't count out Kennedy yet. If I know how Vince operates, he's gonna keep his plans for him on hold, as well anyone else that had a thing going prior to the suspensions. Obviously all the voters thought it would be Triple H because an incest storyline would have been just too good(LOL), but I don't he wanted to do that.

HAHA...actually Vince did want to do one...but this one involving him and Stephanie.

Probably one of the few times I'm happy Steph is the lead of Creative Writing

I wonder if they decided to go with Hornswoggle at the end to "surprise" everyone. By that I mean, that Vince knew that his "son" was going to be revealed, but had creative not inform him, or anyone else who it was until the actual unveiling. because those reactions (both by Vince and Triple H) were too good to be staged. I mean come on, Trips face was red and he could hardly stand up from laughter and I've only seen that one other time and that's when he rolled that footage of Foley's farewell.

I could see everything up to the "Wait a minute...something isn't right here" being scripted.

And in the continuing fashion to save money despite the depleted roster due to previous firings/current suspensions/people quitting/injuries, Sandman is done.

I just thought of another good reason for all the firings and suspensions.

End the fucking brand extensions..cept WWECW

and three more to go before ECW is gone from the roster

Dreamer
Mahoney
Richards

ironically, those three are actually getting somewhat of a push

And Tazz doesn't count since he's retired

You've got to be kidding if you actually think that those reactions are real. Why would HHH laugh at that for real? It's not even funny. And that is typical bad acting by Vince.

A REAL reaction would be getting pissed off, going backstage and grabbing the idiot writer who thought of that idea, and snapping his neck. Because that was TERRIBLE idea to ruin a storyline that could potentially have led to a year's worth of a decent main eventer storyline.

Because this isn't a filler or anything until Kennedy comes back. Noooo.

I think some of us were laughing as hard as Triple H was. I mean, who would've thought that Hornswaggle was the bastard son of Vince McMahon? Look at it this way, anyone who reads this thread's spoilers knew weeks in advance that Kennedy was going to be the bastard son. Once he was suspended, no one had a clue and we could all watch Raw in suspense without knowing what might happen.

All in all, I'd call it a success.

Like dagget said, they could probably say it was a hoax and bring Kennedy back as the son...then everyone can be happy that Kennedy is a main event guy. If he becomes a main event guy, then he sure as hell better take the title from Cena.

Well I don't know why, maybe one of you guys know, but Sandman was released -although I figured it be sooner or later as he doesnt mold well with non extreme rules. Glad I got to see his last match. It was my first and only time seeing him perform.

Well, the true spirit of ECW has been dead for some time. Sandman was actually going to be pushed decently, then.. I dunno. But when Sandman went, I know its not long before Dreamer and Richards go too.

Edit: Also I need to find a clear cut lengthy version of Hornswoggle's theme. None of that live recording that has some bits cleaned up and then you can still hear cheering.

The true day ECW died was when McMahon started doing the booking and approval. If they let Heyman do it...it would have been godly...but at the same time if he did it Raw and SD! would be the B-shows

The problem was the tri-brand anyway. I don't know where the hell Vince thought that was a good idea. Well, it could have been if they indeed were treated seperately. Like-say most WCW talent on Smackdown (and call it Thunder) or turn Monday Night Raw, into Monday Night Nitro. 3 hours, etc... Treated like completely different brands instead of it being "A brand and B brand" But they tried to make them different but "the same" also. Doesn't matter anyway, TNA's getting a 2 hour slot. I'll just start watching Thursdays. (I don't even watch Smackdown anymore, because of the way the local station that aired it having it air at like 1 am when I first moved here)

But alas, it's not going to be as awesome as it was 10 years ago, sadly.

Heyman had control for a while, butVince had the "ultimate say" in each matter. :|

Dagget..you're wrong.


The writers they have at WWE, if they still stay there then they're doomed in 10 years...especially if TNA keeps going as strong as they do. They'll probably pick up Sabu and Van Dam easily. But part of me feels as though TNA is going into the crapchute too...especially after the last PPV.

Now TNA is trying, I'll give them that but they need to push Sabin and Shelly, bring back the Super X cup tournament and do more Japanese promotion crossovers.

Wrong about what? The tri-brand? That was the worst idea in WWE history. It COULD have been pulled off if done correctly, but they decided to not do it right at all. They ended the storyline of Shane and Stephanie owning WCW and ECW respectively, when they brought Flair in by giving him "their share" of everything. If they had stuck to where Shane had control of WCW and Stephanie had control of ECW and went from there, it wouldn't have been that bad and they could have made something of it. But Vince's ego wouldn't let that happen. So he had Triple H squash every WCW/ECW original he could (well between Trips and the rest of the WWE loyalers...)to show off his peen that he is the superior one.

Between the writers and the bookers (and all the scandles hitting at once) WWE is ass compared to 10 years ago. TNA is fresh, but they need to pull something out to grasp control and show everyone they're serious business (which I love TNA and hope it does).

I meant that they wouldn't suck 10 years from now.

Now TNA...I was watching the ECW documentary and Heyman said something really good. Something along the lines of how music involved all the hair bands but when Nirvana came along it just changed the face of Music. ECW did the same and he was right when he said ECW did bring the Attitude Era.

TNA needs to pull something huge out...like a super X tournament ending with a huge ultimate X gauntlet with the winner facing the X Division champion, but also points are awarded in order of elimination.

TNA is in trouble too. Look at Styles...he is now tagging with Tomko as the number one contenders to the tag titles. That's the BEST he has done in the last six months, or perhaps even before that when he was X-Division champ almost a year ago.

Daniels gets an X-division shot, but to me that feels like a step back, and going in a circle. He WAS going to feud with Sting, but that long-term feud turned into one match, which Sting won in six minutes.

Unfortunately, they aren't integrading established WWE stars with TNA wrestlers. They are just replacing the newly acquirred established stars with the ones they already have (or, at the very least having the established stars beat TNA wrestlers).

But since TNA picked up that second slot they'll be given a lot more options now since its not a huge roster, they can push more things. Like at the last PPV, the 10 man tag gauntlet had like...5 x-stars before anything huge happened

Reading you guys talk about TNA and such had lead to me to a conclusion:

I blame Vince entirely for this mess, and maybe a little bit of Ted Turner. Wrestling was JUST FINE as is, when it was ECW, WCW, and WWE/F. Monday Night Raw, Monday Nitro, Clash of the Champions(I'll never forget the huge match Flair had with Vader), Thunder, REAL Smackdown, WCW Power Hour, and whatever side-shows ECW had..

When he went and bought out both, things just weren't the same. Now you have your favorite wrestlers juggling back and forth to each organization(WWE, TNA, TNA, WWE). Now if Ted Turner actually did something for WCW...who was losing 7mil or more a year, maybe they would have survived.

Actually...its just bad writing. Now I don't entirely remember the attitude era (cause I was like...12) but it wasn't as predictable, or didn't seem as predictable, as it does now.

TNA threw some curveballs at me with the Styles/Tomko and Team Pacman Ratings vs Angle and Sting. but WWE is much more predictable.

Like how at unforgiven Khali will lose the title and not even get pinned. Either A) Taker will come back and scare the bujebus out of Khali, B) Khali will chokebomb either Mysterio or Batista and get knocked out of the ring or C) Khali will get knocked out outside the ring, leaving it to be Mysterio and Batista.

Ever since they put the belt on Khali...Smackdown has been VERY VERY boring.

The attitude era was fairly entertaining. Part of it was because before that time, both WCW and WWE(F) were going for the younger audiences. Once WCW though decided to go for a different age group, WWE followed.

Of course, the constant struggle between the two companies to see who would stay on top was also very entertaining. While distasteful in some aspects, the Luger surprise, Madusa/Women's title surprise, Rick Rude surprise, and so forth was pretty awesome.

And the fake sting angle. THAT was legendary. Even when he proved it wasn't him(when he splashed the fake sting aka Cobra at one of those PPVs), Lugar was gonna turn on him anyway.

Figured I'd add this little tidbit of news about the Vince McMahon son storyline:

"Vince McMahon was said to be irate at the fact that future plans for the illegitimate son were being leaked out. Both he and Stephanie gave a lecture to the WWE writing crew about it. They were so paranoid about the identity of the son being revealed that they didn't tell anyone who it was going to be and flew in all the WWE talents to make sure nobody could rule anyone out by process of elimination.

Also (I missed it off course) but seems Jimmy Hart was on People's Court yesterday, cutting promos and throwing out Hulk's name like it was going to help his case. (lewl)

ANd still lost...