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Misogynyst Gynecologist May 26, 2006 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Crash Landon
I saw the film tonight. It was actually better than I expected. One point annoyed me, something which displayed a general lack of back knowledge on the writers' part.

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When Kitty and Juggernaut square off in Leech's quarters, she fakes Juggernaut out by drawing him into Leech's "range", causing Juggernaut to helplessly collide with a reinforced wall. This is fucking stupid, as Cain Marko is not and never was a mutant. Any longtime fan can tell you that his power comes from the Gem of Cyttorak, a completely external source. Leech's presence should've had no effect and Kitty should have, by all rights, been a mutant pancake.

Well, the comics and the movies are not part of the same continuity at all. Otherwise Rogue would be much older, Storm would probably have an accent and we'd've had the whole Lillandra/Shi'ar Empire/M'Kraan thing for the Phoenix.

Cirno May 26, 2006 10:57 PM

Major disappointment.

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You don't fucking kill Professor Xavier. At least when he's played by Patrick Stewert.


Also.

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Cyclops. What the fuck. What a wasted ass character. I mean I know he sort of has the personality of a plank of wood, but he didn't need to die.


Then the aforementioned wasted Psylocke, but that's just because I have a hard-on for her. For some reason she has her Crimson Dawn powers sans the Psychic Knife, but when she uses her "shadow leaping" powers, it looks like she's some kind of Kitty Pryde rip-off. There was barely a shadow on the wall she comes out of.

There were a few good action 'moments,' like Juggs versus Wolverine, but the movie overall just felt like a waste of seven bucks. I couldn't get over how annoying Storm was, too. She just seemed forced into every scene, which would've been okay if her personality and presence were more established in the first two films. This movie just felt like a Storm overload.

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Why didn't Magneto help Xavier when he was getting raped by Phoenix? Mags just felt SO out of character right there.


At least I got to see a full trailer for Snakes on a Plane and Clerks 2. That Pulse movie (which is yet another Japanese horror remake) actually looked better than it's source material. God, the original sucked ass.

A4: IN THE DUNGEONS OF THE SLAVE LORDS May 26, 2006 10:59 PM

When she was phoenix in the comics I'd say she ranked among the strongest beings in the marvel universe so yeah she was supposed to be that powerful. Regular Jean Grey's always been kind of a puss though.

Ah well sounds like it's going to be an enjoyable enough movie if I don't fanboy off on it. I'm really curious as to why they didn't just make colossus look like he did in the second film though.

quazi May 26, 2006 11:02 PM

I came from just seeing the movie, and I have to say I was disappointed. Perhaps all the good reviews for it raised my expectations far higher than they'd otherwise be. I liked almost every scene with Jean in it, as they seemed very well done, but the same can't be said for the rest of the movie.

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The president had by far the cheasiest lines in the movie, with wonderful phrases such as "God help us all" and something on the order of "never underestimate the wrath of a woman scorned." The sappy ending at the end with beast being appointed to the UN just seemed completely ridiculous. It's like the ending of Anchorman, except that movie is a comedy. What possible value does the angsty fireballer following around Magneto have? Why couldn't they have made him into a character rather than the crybaby he is? All the mutants showing off their powers to Magneto made me laugh. Wow, great character development. "Hi I'm Joe, look what I do." I liked how in the battle at the end, all of the sudden all the mutants have the power to jump high and that's it. I know it would have been ridiculous to have all of them using powers, but come on; they were just fist-fighting. Oh and why in Beast's infinite wisdom did he decide to inject Magneto with all 4 of the vials? "Hey lets not save one for Jean and have Wolverine kill her instead good idea guys!" On that note, why not use Leach on Jean. All he has to fucking do is get near her. Oh, and I can't believe Juggernaught actually said "I'm the Juggernaught bitch."


On the bright side, I saw a trailer for Snakes on the Plane.

VitaPup May 27, 2006 12:19 AM

The movie definitely had its bad moments but overall I thought it was good. It was much better than the first, probably not as good as the 2nd. I did feel rather disturbed by it. Who cares if Juggernaut is a mutant in the movies? Lady Deathstrike was a mutant in the 2nd movie, big deal. It makes the world more believable when you leave out cyborgs and mysticism. I saw the movie in Australia, so when the Juggernaut said that classic line, I was the only one in the audience who got it and laughed.

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The Things I didn’t Like
-Magneto abandoning Mystique like he did. That was too out of character. I could see him not letting her help him, but he wouldn’t just leave one of his most trusted underlings like that. He’s not a dick.

-Killing of Cyclops. Granted they never actually showed him dead, and Jean just said she thought she killed him. But still, he at least needed to express his grief/disbelief over what happened to Jean.

-I didn’t like how they used mutants like Spyke and Multiple Man. Their powers are more “out there” than others and I always liked the realistic quality the X-Men films had.

-While I’m glad they made Storm cool for once, she was in the movie way too much. It really felt empty at times and it seemed like Wolverine and her were the only characters in the X-Men’s world.

-Lastly, When Wolverine Killed Jean, it was very anticlimactic and unemotional. After the amazing scene at the Grey’s House, I was left wanting more. The scene where Jean wakes up and begs Logan to kill her was much more effective than the conclusion.

-I really thought that female assistant to Worthington was Apocalypse in disguise. I was disappointed to find out she was just a normal human. I thought the movie was going to end in a cliff hanger with her being apocalypse trying to wipe out the weak mutants.

Pros
-DARK PHOENIX!!!!! Man she was amazing in this. She really gave the movie that helplessness feeling. I can’t get over how unbelievable that scene at her house was.

-I also really enjoyed the addition of Beast and Angel though Angel should have had a bigger part.

If they make a 4th movie I’m not sure if could have the same feel unless they brought Cyclops and the professor back, which looks likely (though I guess he’d be in a different body unless they cloned him or something silly like that).


Also, Jean Grey after Phoenix in the comics is not a push over. She’s a powerhouse and by far the most powerful of the X-Men.

soulsteelgray May 27, 2006 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by VitaPup
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If they make a 4th movie I’m not sure if could have the same feel unless they brought Cyclops and the professor back, which looks likely (though I guess he’d be in a different body unless they cloned him or something silly like that).

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Actually, I just figured this out. Forgive me if it was mentioned earlier, but here it is anyways. I felt smart, so hush.

Early on in the movie, Xavier was teaching a class to some students and used a video from Moira to illustrate a concept. The video dealt with an apparently vegetative man. Xavier wanted to discuss the implications of implanting a mind into the, for all accounts and purposes, mindless body of a man.

Guess where Xavier ended up?

Wojo May 27, 2006 12:45 AM

I saw the movie tonight and the best thing about it was....

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Interrobang May 27, 2006 12:51 AM

I guess you guys didn't stay after the credits for Xavier? It's pretty much stated as such.
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I'm then going to presume the youngster who looked like a porcupine was "Flea".
I imagine he takes his inspiration from Quill (one of four, apparently), despite being called Kid Omega in the credits for whatever reason; Kid Omega in the comics was a telepath.

Synthesis May 27, 2006 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Wojo
I saw the movie tonight and the best thing about it was....

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I saw the movie tonight as well. You could tell who had seen the above spoiler by who actually laughed in the theater. Not a lot of people did though.

The movie itself was entertaining.

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Not enough Psylocke. Jeez, I don't think she had one written line in the whole movie.

I noticed in the credits that Jubilee was in the movie. Missed that one.


My biggest problem was the lack of focus and misrepresentation of mutants and lack of screentime for them.

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Also, the battle between Iceman and Pyro was pathetically short and limited. The Fire vs. Ice battle could've been a lot bigger and interesting but it was over within 30 seconds. It didn't look like Iceman was into it all that much either. Ruined


Oh well.

Misogynyst Gynecologist May 27, 2006 12:58 AM

Jubilee has been in all three X-Men movies so far, but been deligated to background bit-player stuff. She didn't even have any lines in the first movie.

Karasu May 27, 2006 01:06 AM

@VitaPup
I'm sure you know this but incase you didn't...

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The reason Storm was so IN this movie was because Halle Berry felt that Storm didn't get enough attention as she should in the past two films..hence so much storm. But hey, I think it's awesome Storm was really in this film, it showed her power and what she can really do. Plus, you gotta love when her eyes go white, hehehe.

Lizardcommando May 27, 2006 01:10 AM

I didn't get to see the Snakes on a Plane trailer, wtf? All I saw were previews of that one movie with Uma Thurman and The Omen.

I liked the movie personally. I thought it was a bit better than the second X-Men movie.

Cel May 27, 2006 01:31 AM

I've been reading all these comments and everyone bitches about the same things I did, but no one mentioned the music? it was horrible.

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Except for the scene where Xavier dies, that scene was perfect. Although I admit there was a lot of parts where magneto was out of character. I really liked the last scene where Logan walks up to Jean and he fights against her powers, the music fit, but it was cliche, it should've been a sad moody song instead of some choir people singing incoherently. I really don't see how they're going to make a part 4, they'll make some lame excuse for charles to look the same I bet. Either that or he'll use his mind to make others portray him as he used to look, movie magic. I don't see how cyclops is dead unless they're like "surprise! I went to cancun....... what's everyone looking at?"

Jean can easily come back, phoenix is always reborn, yadda yadda, whatever sure.

Thoughts? they should just leave the series alone before they fuck it up.

Synthesis May 27, 2006 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Cel
I've been reading all these comments and everyone bitches about the same things I did, but no one mentioned the music? it was horrible.


To be honest. Other that at the part you mentioned, I wasn't even paying attention to the music. It was more or less nonexistant to me.

Amadeus Zull May 27, 2006 01:57 AM

Anybody stay after the credits of the movie?

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Xavier speaks in the body of Amahl Farouk (he said the name to the kids too) who is the shadow king in the marvel universe and who can transfer his mind into other's bodies like mentioned by xavier to the students (video showing guy in bed). X4 will come, point being the Phoenix always arises back from death and cyclopse 'death' not proven (only an assumption stated in the movie). This move end the 3 part saga thus last stand title stands. And did I already mention Xavier is alive in someone elses body??


I loved this movie!

Kilroy May 27, 2006 01:57 AM

Snap, I didn't see the scene after the credits, and I thought I was fiendishly clever to figure out the thing about
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Xavier moving his mind.

I'd say I was entertained. Sure, it had its flaws but I liked it.
But I would have liked it if
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Xavier had gotten a different death than hundreds of soldiers and a couple of mutants. Disolving into mush is not a way to go...

VitaPup May 27, 2006 02:47 AM

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It might not be the way to go but it sure as hell makes for some great and disturbing movie scenes. I'm trying to write an essay over here for school and all I can think about is that damn Grey House scene. I still can't believe she "killed" the professor like that. And I never realized that they used the Shadow King's real name in the movie. But yeah, that extra scene was tight.

avanent May 27, 2006 03:00 AM

Decent. It was better than X1, but pale to X2.

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Never liked Cyclops, but why kill him? That wasn't very significant...

Jeans powers being based on her alone was pretty lame. Reminded me of the matrix personally. Thats not the pheonix, thats lame. Ya, having the whole spy battle and what not wouldn't have worked for the movie... but they could of done something better than that... seriously.

Why kill jean... with all those "cure" things laying on the ground... why not just cure her. Sure, it may have just disentegrated, but wortha try right... I mean, his clothes, while shredded did not completely disappear, so maybe... worth a try right, seriously.

Rogue's powers need to slowly fade back...

Oh, and that was psylocke? Lame. Lame lame lame. I refuse that claim; it is 'no'.

VitaPup May 27, 2006 03:03 AM

Id anybody is interested (which doesn't look like, but just in case) here is the original Dark Phoenix Saga as happens in the comics.


The Dark Phoenix Saga

Uncanny X-Men 129: God Spare the Child... (parts a, b, c)
Uncanny X-Men 130: Dazzler (parts a, b, c)
Uncanny X-Men 131: Run For Your Life! (parts a, b, c)
Uncanny X-Men 132: And Hellfire is their Name! (parts a, b, c)
Uncanny X-Men 133: Wolverine: Alone! (parts a, b, c)
Uncanny X-Men 134: Too Late, The Heroes! (parts a, b, c)
Uncanny X-Men 135 Dark Phoenix (parts a, b, c)
Uncanny X-Men 136: Child of Light and Darkness! (parts a, b, c)
Uncanny X-Men 137: The Fate of the Phoenix (parts a, b, c, d, e)
Uncanny X-Men 138: Elegy (parts a, b, c)

avanent May 27, 2006 03:59 AM

actually, thats pretty pimp, thanks vitapup

Talbain May 27, 2006 05:34 AM

Ratner has no balls. 'Nuff said.

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I was very dissapointed with the "maybe everything isn't fucked up after all" angle at the end. Even though you have killed off or neutered fan-favorite characters, have the guts not to retract everything near the end of the film. This will inevitably lead to X-Men 4 with Xavier starting off the film with a speech about somethingorother, he'll sense something is wrong, Magneto will repeat his tired and rundown speeches all over again, and the story will once again revolve around their relationship.

This movie was the most like a comic book out of the three. Quick, didn't require a hell of a lot of thinking, and utterly disposable.

KCJ506 May 27, 2006 07:22 AM

When did Jubilee appear in this move? I saw her name in the credits but I don't remember seeing her at all.

VitaPup May 27, 2006 09:51 AM

She was in the background when Xavier showed the Moria video in class.

Neogin May 27, 2006 10:17 AM

All I gotta say is..damn..

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I can't believe they actually pulled off the "Do you know who I am? I'm the Juggernaut, bitch." That made my day. But yeah, with out Xavier, I just feel the 4th movie will be...empty.

Jay May 27, 2006 10:44 AM

I was surprised:
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Why the fuck must almost every character from the previous films die?? Seriously what the fuck is up with that!


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