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brknredcrayon Apr 18, 2007 09:53 AM

I, like others, find it disturbing when politicians and various other loons use tragic events like this as a hobbyhorse. Pushing an agenda is downright disturbing during what should be a time of grievance. GTFO if you haven't anything to offer but your latest campaign slogan.




...School officials said Cho posted a deadly warning on a school online forum: "im going to kill people at vtech."...

The list grows of the WARNING signs present. Though, I find it difficult to place blame on anybody, it seems that the signals here were more than obvious.

Paco Apr 18, 2007 10:10 AM

Well, I feared this would happen but I knew it was kind of inevitable, given the situation.
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"We hope that this incident won't create discrimination and prejudice against people of South Korean or Asian origin," the Hankyoreh newspaper said in an editorial.

A sense of despair prevailed among the South Korean public.

"I'm too shameful that I'm a South Korean," an Internet user with the ID "iknijmik" wrote on the country's top Web portal site, Naver among hundreds of messages on the issue. "As a South Korean, I feel apologetic to the Virginia Tech victims."

Kim Min-kyung, a South Korean student at Virginia Tech reached by telephone from Seoul, said there were about 500 Koreans at the school, including Korean-Americans. She said she had never met Cho. She said South Korean students feared retaliation and were gathering in groups.
Source article.

I was watching CNN during breakfast this morning and there was a small segment about this 19 year old student Kim Min-Kyung (a native of South Korea) who was actually packing up and leaving the campus for fear of retaliation from other students. That's the partial story.

Now... I don't know what any of these students are going through right now and I can understand a raging need to look for something or someone to pin some blame on, but this is just not the order of operations, people. It's just really disheartening to see that at a time when these students are supposed to be either mourning or in each other's moral and emotional support, some are already blindly stirring animosity.

BlueMikey Apr 18, 2007 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dopefish (Post 425197)
If Cho took both weapons with him to the second shooting scene, how did the police come to the conclusion that the first incident was the result domestic dispute?

They had already reached her current boyfriend, he was the "person of interest".

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Originally Posted by The Dopefish (Post 425197)
At 10:52, almost a full hour after the shootings ended, campus buildings were locked down. Unless I'm missing some bit of info (like, say, whether or not the first building locked down after the police first arrived on the scene), this seems to be a huge failure by campus and local police.

Why is that a huge failure? If there was more than one shooter, and he just killed dozens of people, wouldn't you want to protect as many people as you can?

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If he was that creepy a guy (which they should've figured from the outset if he didn't talk in class, stalked women, etc.) they should've pegged him a whole lot sooner.
They did peg him. He was referred to counseling. If he didn't break any laws, there's not much more you can do.

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In my mind, if there's a shooting at a school...be it a high-prestige, Division 1-A college or a urban high school, you do the same thing: put a halt to classes, lock down the crime scene, and let everyone know ASAP what happened.
If the first shooting was a crime of passion, and 99.99% of the time, two people dead in a dorm room with no other killing at all would indicate that, then why do all that? There is no immediate danger to anyone else in a rime like that.

There isn't a single legitimate reason to think that from the first crime scene, the second would emerge 2 hours later.

Dopefish Apr 18, 2007 10:37 AM

Personally I wouldn't assume that the situation is safe until you've got a suspect you're certain is the culprit in custody, but that's just me. Maybe that's just hindsight talking, but that ("oh, we've got someone we believe is a 'person of interest' in this shooting, there's no way there's possibly someone else out there who is the actual suspect") sounds like an excuse and is the result of poor investigation.

Bradylama Apr 18, 2007 01:36 PM

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http://blogs.washingtontimes.com/insiderpolitics/?p=750

“We seem in this country to have a copyright on this kind of violence.” That’s CNN commentator Jack Cafferty on yesterday’s “Situation Room” discussing the Virginia Tech shooting tragedy.

Not to be too morbid, but that’s just wrong. In fact, no American citizens even make the top-four rankings of individual massacres in world history:

- South Korea, 1982. Woo Bum-Kon killed 57 and then himself, using grenades and a high powered rifle
- Australia, 1996, Port Arthur massacre. Martin Bryant, using two semi-automatic weapons, a CAR-15 and an L1A1 SLR, killed 35
- United States, 2007. Virginia Tech student Cho Seung-hui, a South Korean, killed at least 33, including himself
- Japan 1938, Tsuyama massacre. Mutsuo Toi, using an old Japanese rifle and swords, killed 29 and then himself.

Just more factual evidence that it’s far too early to be making blanket assumptions about a national tragedy of this magnitude.
Responding to this article on Reason.com, David Weigel notes:

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http://www.reason.com/blog/show/119714.html
I'm waiting for Dr. Phil's researchers to reveal what video games Mutsuo Toi used to play.

Sin Ansem Apr 18, 2007 02:39 PM

Notice how everyone only finds warning signs of these types of psychos AFTER they've gone and killed people? I mean, people more violent in thought than that sometimes remain as harmless as a fly throughout their lives. But then people investigate the killers and then find enormous evidence of psychosis or whatnot. Could such warning signs lead to prevention or are we walking on privacy or paranoia here?

I poked it and it made a sad sound Apr 18, 2007 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sin Ansem (Post 425330)
Notice how everyone only finds warning signs of these types of psychos AFTER they've gone and killed people? I mean, people more violent in thought than that sometimes remain as harmless as a fly throughout their lives. But then people investigate the killers and then find enormous evidence of psychosis or whatnot. Could such warning signs lead to prevention or are we walking on privacy or paranoia here?

Looks like there was a court order proclaiming Cho was a "danger to himself and others." An "imminent danger." (source)That he was "mentally ill" and required treatment - which he refused. This wasn't just "counselling" I guess.

And he sent a package with video, images, and writings to NBC. This should be good.

Unas Apr 18, 2007 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Sassafrass (Post 425372)
And he sent a package with video, images, and writings to NBC. This should be good.

Do ya have a source for this?

Klaus Apr 18, 2007 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueMikey (Post 425036)
If 50/50 involvement in the murders of 32 people doesn't say "fucking incompetent" to you, you've got some pretty low standards.

As I said it's not like they supplied the weapons and helped him carry it out. I do think they fucked up, just to some extent.

He obviously was a nut and sometimes the nuts will be nuts, no matter how many mental institutions you send them to or how many hugs you give them.

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http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive...071vtech1.html

That's the play. Along with the imagery, he's not a very good writer. Probably shouldn't have been a creative writing major in the first place. :P
That was some fun stuff there. I wrote better in 7th grade.

Adol Apr 18, 2007 05:50 PM

They're showing some of the clips and pictures that Cho Seung-Hui sent before the massacre on MSNBC right now.

The picture of him with the guns is completely chilling, as are those plays he wrote, even if they are middle-school grade. :\

RacinReaver Apr 18, 2007 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dopefish (Post 425232)
Personally I wouldn't assume that the situation is safe until you've got a suspect you're certain is the culprit in custody, but that's just me. Maybe that's just hindsight talking, but that ("oh, we've got someone we believe is a 'person of interest' in this shooting, there's no way there's possibly someone else out there who is the actual suspect") sounds like an excuse and is the result of poor investigation.

How long would you keep the school on lock down until a suspect is found and apprehended?

Edit: How would you have liked to be the USPS employee that signed off on his priority mail envelope to NBC? :(

Paco Apr 18, 2007 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Unas (Post 425377)
Do ya have a source for this?

This was made public earlier this morning but apparently the entirety of the video discs will not be released until the F.B.I. officially releases it. Lots of photos of himself with his pistols and combat knives and even a nice little shot of a table full of hollow point bullets. I actually want to read that whole "manifesto" document he sent NBC.

Bradylama Apr 18, 2007 07:06 PM

Haha what a fuckshit. So intimidating.

Unas Apr 18, 2007 07:12 PM

Anyone notice the uncanny vocal resemblance to Napoleon Dynamite?

Paco Apr 18, 2007 07:14 PM

Yeah, come to think of it, when you see photos of a KOREAN man and you're looking DOWN THE BARREL OF A 9MM PISTOL, naturally the first thing that comes to mind is, "Hey, look. It's that dancing guy from that nerd movie!"

Unas Apr 18, 2007 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Encephalon (Post 425484)
Yeah, come to think of it, when you see photos of a KOREAN man and you're looking DOWN THE BARREL OF A 9MM PISTOL, naturally the first thing that comes to mind is, "Hey, look. It's that dancing guy from that nerd movie!"

Heh, I was just referring to the tone of his voice, it sounds as forced as hell

SpaceOddity Apr 18, 2007 08:40 PM

It pisses me off that the news websites are posting the stuff he sent to NBC (even though they can't resist, since they're pretty much vultures for this stuff). It's exactly what the scum planned they would do.

Bradylama Apr 18, 2007 09:11 PM

If his plan was to reveal to the world that he was as gigantic a loser in life as in death, then plan succeeded.

No. Hard Pass. Apr 18, 2007 09:19 PM

When he said "my brothers and sister that you fuck," was he referring to asianophiles? Because I think it would be pretty damn classy if part of his reasoning was all the white guys fucking asian women.

Bradylama Apr 18, 2007 09:27 PM

If by "classy," you mean "penis envy."

Paco Apr 18, 2007 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Denicalis (Post 425537)
When he said "my brothers and sister that you fuck," was he referring to asianophiles? Because I think it would be pretty damn classy if part of his reasoning was all the white guys fucking asian women.

Oh, so Yama's existence partially caused all this? Fuckin' a, guys! Now we got one more reason to ban that accidental cumshot.

Klaus Apr 18, 2007 09:32 PM

You actually understood him? I got tired of listening to his odd voice and changed the channel, listening about this incident for most of today is starting to piss me off. I can't wait for the next celebrity to die or Britney to do something so this can be over with.

I needs me a recharge!!

Spike Apr 18, 2007 10:05 PM

When I watch his video. All I see is an angry little boy that is not mature enough to handle what life brings. I see someone who blames other people for his troubles and someone who is mentally ill. He's just a little disturbed child that isn't worth anything. What he did was pathetic and it's unfortunate that he wasn't brave enough to face the consequences and did what a pathetic coward would do and took his life. I will spit on his grave if given the chance. I know that anger doesn't really bring that much good, but I just can't help it. That sick fuck was worthless.

I poked it and it made a sad sound Apr 18, 2007 10:12 PM

Does anyone have a link to the video outside of CNN? I can NOT for the life of me get the video to play up there.

I'm Youtubing it but there's a lot of unrelated crap.

Paco Apr 18, 2007 10:44 PM

They're actually right on MSNBC. The clips are scattered throughout all their news segments but I believe that all the video that's officially been released is all there.


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