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Golfdish from Hell Jun 26, 2007 08:53 PM

They're just doing straight matches tonight and on Smackdown, from what I hear. I'll be curious to see the ratings for this week...

Back to the real wrestling...I hope Nitro has a defense or something tonight. I haven't seen him wrestle a decent match in ages.

mortis Jun 26, 2007 08:55 PM

I was thinking about htis even more, and honestly, Vince couldn't win either way.

Had he not done the tribute and waited, he would have been bashed for "HAVING" to continue the event when both wrestlers and fans alike were still reeling from the shock of what happened (I need only reference Martel's death as an example).

Golfdish from Hell Jun 26, 2007 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mortis (Post 459556)
I was thinking about htis even more, and honestly, Vince couldn't win either way.

Had he not done the tribute and waited, he would have been bashed for "HAVING" to continue the event when both wrestlers and fans alike were still reeling from the shock of what happened (I need only reference Martel's death as an example).

Exactly why I hate the media...They make such an effort to look for sensationalist angles without giving their subject matter a fair chance. You're supposed to report what happens, not interject your opinion and sway the public perception in the interest of ego and ratings.

I understand Martel, since she was inactive, and I can get over the poor taste of the Vince-Is-Dead angle continuing. That just wasn't an option with Benoit, an active wrestler who was one of the cornerstones of the roster.

Edit: And they start off with John "fucking" Cena on ECW. Goddammit! There's a good way to mock Benoit's death...COME ON, NITRO!

SuperSonic Jun 26, 2007 09:07 PM

I'm with you Goldfish, I wasn't expecting Cena at all. I hope Nitro kicks his ass...I mean I just don't see the ECW World Champion losing against another brand champion on ECW.

Malahk Angel Jun 26, 2007 09:15 PM

Yeah, I can only imagine Cena's presence there is to put Nitro over. He did the same for RVD at One Night Stand last year. Nothing gives a champ and belt credibility better than being put over by a big-leaguer.

It would be odd though... Cena can kick Umaga AND Khali's respective asses, but Nitro is TOO MUCH OMG.

EDIT: CENA WINS. Excellent way to promote the ECW champ guys.

SuperSonic Jun 26, 2007 09:22 PM

DAMN IT!! Damn you and your stupid STFU Cena...you have the most horrible moves.

Malahk Angel Jun 26, 2007 09:33 PM

Please, Roddy. PLEASE. Kick Striker's ass >_<.

EDIT: YES YES YES YES YES YES YES. Classic Piper.

Winter Storm Jun 27, 2007 07:36 AM

Here's how I feel about the steriod issue. Vince has had a wellness program in place for a quite a long time now. Nevermind the stunt he pulled with Chris Masters(I fear he will also die young and from drug overdose..). These men are grown people who should know better. It's looking bad on Vince because in the last few years the WWE has had more athlete deaths than any major entertainment or sport. But that goes back to what I said about them being grown. They should know what that stuff will do to a person. I don't know what kind of pain they endure in wrestling but I know there are other ways of supressing pain, and if you wanna get bigger just work out, it doesn't take long if you do it everyday and the CORRECT way. I'll be a hypocrite for saying this but those who died from steroid use, they brought it on themselves(well aware no one isn't going to like statement), that is not Vince's fault. If it is indeed found that Benoit was under influence of steroid usage.. Vince will need to put some serious sanctions in place. Like banning wrestlers who use steriods. Extensive testing and screening amatuer althetes. He also NEEDS to do something about the harsh schedule. You dont need a PPV every fucking month, and you don't need to tour every city EVERYDAY. Let these people have lives, it's driving them insane.

Malahk Angel Jun 27, 2007 10:26 AM

Some more news...

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoDQ.com
A woman tells News 1130 in Vancouver, B.C. that Chris Benoit's son Daniel had a condition called Fragile X syndrome. Wikipedia describes the symptoms:

Aside from intellectual disability (mental retardation), prominent characteristics of the syndrome include an elongated face, large or protruding ears, flat feet, larger testicals in men (macroorchidism), and low muscle tone. Behavioral characteristics may include stereotypic movements (e.g., hand-flapping) and atypical social development, particularly shyness and limited eye contact. Some individuals with the fragile X syndrome also meet the diagnostic criteria for autism. While full mutation males tend to present with severe intellectual disability, the symptomology of full mutation females runs the gamut of minimally affected to severe intellectual disability, which may explain why females are underdiagnosed relative to males.

The woman interviewed for the News 1130 story says her family was in contact with the Benoits, but they didn't want to go public with the disease and chose to keep things low profile. She added that families can be torn apart by the disease because it's very difficult to find help and support. She said, "You as a parent have to go out there and find what's available and it's not easy --they don't tell you."

This may explain why Daniel was taking growth hormone injections. It also may shed light onto why Chris didn't want someone else raising his son and made the fateful decision to kill him. As irrational and twisted as it may sound, he may have felt he was saving his son from the double-blow of losing his parents through a murder-suicide and being subject to being raised by people who didn't understand or care for his condition.

Also, as has been pointed out, Roid Rage doesn't make people kill over a 72 hour period. On top of that, Steroid withdrawals can make one depressed and that may have caused his insanity.

mortis Jun 27, 2007 11:35 AM

To add to it all, supposedly it looks like his son was in some sort of a choke hold. Of all things...people are guessing that it might have been...the crossface.

Malahk Angel Jun 27, 2007 12:14 PM

Holy crap... I thought you may have been pulling a 4chons joke there... but it's serious... ABC News reported that he might have been killed with a choke hold.

Guru Jun 27, 2007 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Winter Storm (Post 459795)
He also NEEDS to do something about the harsh schedule. You dont need a PPV every fucking month, and you don't need to tour every city EVERYDAY. Let these people have lives, it's driving them insane.

Well, isn't it all about making money? The athletes want the money too, so they're going to work for it. I'm sure they're making fairly nice amounts of money if they're willing to put up with the schedule and the pysicality of the job.

Such a Lust for Revenge! Jun 27, 2007 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winter Storm (Post 459795)
I don't know what kind of pain they endure in wrestling but I know there are other ways of supressing pain, and if you wanna get bigger just work out, it doesn't take long if you do it everyday and the CORRECT way.

Chris Masters, if he does it perfectly along with an immaculate diet, might be able to look half as good as he did on steroids in about five years. It's not just a shortcut, it's an enhancer.

Slash Jun 27, 2007 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Winter Storm (Post 459795)
He also NEEDS to do something about the harsh schedule. You dont need a PPV every fucking month, and you don't need to tour every city EVERYDAY. Let these people have lives, it's driving them insane.

This IS their life, its not a day-job for them. When they aren't wrestling they're staying in shape. Wrestling is the day/night job and staying in shape with the gym and all is their bar. They know what they are getting in to and they know that the schedule is going to be harsh.

acid Jun 27, 2007 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mortis (Post 459863)
To add to it all, supposedly it looks like his son was in some sort of a choke hold. Of all things...people are guessing that it might have been...the crossface.

Shoulda' tapped...

Winter Storm Jun 27, 2007 09:03 PM

~_~.

Anyway, I think the crossface is more of sharpshooter with the difference being that you're applying pressure to the upper neck region instead of the lower back and legs. For a child that size and young the crossface would have broken his neck, and possibly his arm if pulled on enough.

rpgcrazied Jun 27, 2007 10:56 PM

I *had* respect for benoit, I loved his matches.. but killing others, then yourself is just sickening. There is NO reason to do what he did. It looks like the WWE is acting like benoit never was a wrestler on tv.. alot of dvds with him in it, are being edited.. like the WM 20 dvd, says champion HHH vs Shawn Micheals.. and going as far as taking benoit out of the 2008smackdown vs raw game.

mortis Jun 27, 2007 11:43 PM

Thing is though, are they going to edit him out of the DVDs entirely? And what CAN they do about Mania 20? I mean, seriously, are they going to go to crowd sports each time Benoit does something? And do they just suddenly cut to the end and say "A third wrestler won the match. He later lost to Randy Orton"?

I'm not surprised be is out of the Raw Vs Smackdown! game...that is to be expected. I am presuming his DVD will also be taken out of production. I wonder if the WWE will even go to the point to edit past autobiographies to take out what people said about him. I do wonder what Bret will say about him in his book, or Jericho too. Bret wrestled Benoit in the tribute match to Owen (which again, makes all of this so much harder to deal with).

rockthepartay Jun 28, 2007 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by acid (Post 460029)
Shoulda' tapped...

I'm surprised Benoit didn't do a diving headbutt on a table to kill himself.

Slash Jun 28, 2007 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rpgcrazied (Post 460174)
I *had* respect for benoit, I loved his matches.. but killing others, then yourself is just sickening. There is NO reason to do what he did. It looks like the WWE is acting like benoit never was a wrestler on tv.. alot of dvds with him in it, are being edited.. like the WM 20 dvd, says champion HHH vs Shawn Micheals.. and going as far as taking benoit out of the 2008smackdown vs raw game.

Where the hell did you get all that from?

rockthepartay Jun 28, 2007 12:30 AM

I don't think he will be "edited out" of the history of the WWE, but I also don't think they'll promote their products with Chris Benoit's name ever again.

I wonder if they'll confiscate pro-Benoit signs in future events. You know some people are going to try.

mortis Jun 28, 2007 12:35 AM

They already are doing that. AT the recent Smackdown! tapings, supposedly they took away any Benoit signs.

rockthepartay Jun 28, 2007 04:44 PM

This shit just keeps getting weirder and weirder.

From LOP:

Quote:

Web Time Stamps Indicate Nancy Benoit's Death Reported on Web at Least 13 Hours Before Police Found Bodies in Her Home
An anonymous user operating a computer traced to Stamford, Conn. — home to World Wrestling Entertainment — posted an entry to pro wrestler Chris Benoit's biography on Wikipedia.org announcing the death of his wife Nancy at least 13 hours before police in suburban Atlanta said they found her body along with her husband's and that of their 7-year-old son, FOXNews.com has learned. Employees at Wikipedia.org said the posting went live on their site on Monday at 12:01 a.m. Eastern Standard Time. Police, however, said they found the bodies Monday at 2:30 p.m. EDT.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287194,00.html
Quote:

Death of Nancy Benoit rumour posted on Wikipedia hours prior to body being found
Wikinews has learned through an investigation that anonymous edits on the Wikipedia article Chris Benoit were added about the death of his wife Nancy Benoit 14 hours before police entered the Benoit home to find the former professional World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE) Canadian wrestler and his family dead.
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Death_of...dy_being_found

CapturedPenguin Jun 28, 2007 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PWInsider
I just ran a "whois" check on the IP address that Fox News says tracked back to Stamford, CT. I don't know who at Fox checked this, but they were wrong. It actually tracks back to Hicksville, NY. How Fox News couldn't have run a simple check, I can't answer. Here is the data.

Asked whois.arin.net:43 about +69.120.111.23)

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NameServer: NS.CV.NET
NameServer: NS2.CV.NET
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ARIN WHOIS database last updated 2007-06-27 19: 10
Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS database.

Yeah the IP doesn't trace to Stamford, it traces to New York.

Golfdish from Hell Jun 28, 2007 05:44 PM

I can see WWE digitally painting Benoit out of the WM20 match. That would be hella funny to watch anyway.

In all reality, it's not like Benoit was all over the WWE. He was more or less an under-promoted staple in recent times, so the clean-up isn't anything major if they want to promote his existence less.

And yeah, I never saw him hit the headbutt and come away NOT in pain (either from missing or being stunned on a clean hit). Benoit was also infamous for "hurting" himself during back suplexes off the top rope.


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