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Slayer X Oct 5, 2006 10:52 AM

Exactly, it can be up to 7 bluetooth components. 7 controllers is only an example as MetalSphere has already pointed out.

Torte: Yes Six Axis, due to the fact that 3D space has Six Axis as described with the cartesian plain. There's; X, -X, Y, -Y, Z, -Z

RacinReaver Oct 5, 2006 11:46 AM

Umm, the -x and x axes are the same thing. That, and in a plane you can only have two axes since the third one would be out of the plane (at least the kind of space where all axes have to be orthogonal to each other).

They probably just chose six because Oooooooooooooooo, six sounds like more than everyone else.

Slayer X Oct 5, 2006 01:05 PM

Actually to be more politically correct you are right in the fact that x & -x as well as y & -y are the same axis. You are also right that a plane can only have two axis meeting at the origin point forming a 90degree angle. However we arn't talking about planes, we are talking about how 3D space is mapped.

Therefore 3D space is maped with three axis, or in scientific terms three dimensions;

X: left & right
Y: up & down
Z: forward & backwards

The negatives at the beginning of each variable as I used before was to show that each axis has two direction upon which it can go from the origin point.

X= Right, -X= Left, Y= UP, -Y= Down, Z= Forward, -Z= Backwards

This is where Sony got their idea of "Six" axis, though there are actually only three... I think the term is still pretty self explanitory.
If you have any other conflicts with these points refer to here where it can all be explained: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-dimensional_space

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In my earlier post I meant to say Cartesian Geometry, not plain which is probably the source of the debate, and therefore my fault. However you could have read between the lines and related what I said to the subject at hand which would have shown that I simply made a refferential mistake though my point was still accurate.

Metal Sphere Oct 5, 2006 02:35 PM

Ok, here's more news this time, coming from Beyond3D's forums:

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Dude I can vouch for the original posters comments and I have my own pictures to back it up. I don't know what regional manager you talked to but they lied big time. I am a manger that was also at the conference I wish that I had taken more than my 1.3 mega pixel cell phone to take pictures of the proceedings. Anyway to authenticate that there was both a blu-ray presence and that Gears of War was great (but no PS3 game) I came away with a little info that may be useful here.

1) The reason that the PS3 already looks as good if not better than the 360 ((according to Valve(Half-Life 2) and Vivendi(F.E.A.R.))) from the booths was that the Cell processor was orignally going to be a graphics processor as well for the PS3 (yes there were originally going to be two in the system) but the developers at the show stated that once NVIDIA joined the Sony ranks they backed off of that plan and decided to let NVIDIA build the RSX instead. Now this is where the rub is though (form the developer's mouths not mine) although the RSX (PS3 graphics card) and the XENOS (XBOX360 graphics card) are comparable the ability to use the Cell to share the rendering of textures and special effects gives the PS3 a decided advantage and that difference will only grow as time passes.

2) Microsoft did have a respectable presence at the show with HDVD. Peter Moore was there and they sponsored our dinner Friday night where they unveiled both the ZUNE (iPOD killer which will be on sale at Gamestop or EB near you just in time for the holidays) and the XBOX360 HDVD drive (which will retail for 199.99 and comes with a copy of King Kong on HDVD and will launch Nov 14). Sony countered this announcement with one of their own though that as of yet I have not seen leaked anywhere else and that is.......(as announced by the lady at the blu-ray booth during our show)....Talladega Nights on BLU-Ray will be included with every PS3 at launch. Also to note after the Microsoft dinner well all got to go hands on with HDVD, Zune, Gears of War (Mulitplayer), WWE Smackdown vs. Raw 2007, Splinter Cell D.A., Lost Planet, and some others that I didn't get to play. They were all good and seemed near final builds.

3) As far as PS3 presence goes Sony had the biggest display with Resistance, NBA 07 ( which later became Resistance after nobody wanted to play NBA), Genji, and Motorstorm. Sega had a booth to note which had Virtua Fighter 5 (in video form only) and more interestingly Sonic playable on both PS3 and XBOX360 side by side. One of the managers asked why the PS3 version looked better as far as lighting and contrast and accused Sega of connecting the 360 version up with composite cables and the PS3 with HDMI to make the difference hit home. At which point the rep showed us all that both units were connected with component cables and running on the same make and model television. The skeptics accused him of lying even after he turned the monitors to reveal both rear connections. He later stated that again the difference was the Cell and not the video card at the time.
While I wish there was a better movie included, or at least a game demo disc, at least we're getting something. Oh and I can believe these people acted like 100% trolls when seeing the difference between the two.

Slayer X Oct 5, 2006 03:47 PM

Yeah, if I spent that much on a 360 just to see that the real reason why M$ launched it early was because they couldn't compare with the PS3 I'd be pissed too.

DAMN IT! I have a 360 too! Oh well, I'm planning on selling it after I beat Mass Effect and Gears of War anyway in order to buy a Wii. (yes I know that's a ways off yet)

Also, with all the bad news that was coming out week after week before TGS it's good to see Sony finally getting some good press. It also makes me happy that I put my deposit down on my PS3 back in summer '05 at the store that I work at in order to get the 1st spot. ^^

Soldier Oct 5, 2006 04:01 PM

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Talladega Nights on BLU-Ray will be included with every PS3 at launch.
....what the hell movie is that?

EDIT: That Ricky Bobby movie!? What the hell??

Metal Sphere Oct 5, 2006 04:25 PM

Don't reach for the .45 just yet, SOLDIER! There's stuff that's sure to cool you down. Famitsu got to compare the PS3's size to the the PS2 and they're surprisingly close. Oh and the on/off button isn't even a button... it's a thermosensor.

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http://www.famitsu.com/game/news/200...6_ho17.jpg.jpghttp://www.famitsu.com/game/news/200...6_ho10.jpg.jpg

Slayer X Oct 5, 2006 04:26 PM

Yeah it's that one with Will Ferrell and he's supposed to be a race car driver and what not. I probably won't watch it but it'll get me $20 at BlockBuster at least. (where's my DEMO DISC???)

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Finally shots that actually SHOW me something. Not like all the amateure stuff that has crappy lighting & angles that you look through for five minutes hoping to get a decent look at something. And then when you get to the end you realize that you just lost five more minutes of your life that you can't get back.

Metal Sphere Oct 5, 2006 04:39 PM

Here's some interesting news, pertaining to Blu-Ray movies releasing around the PS3's launch date as well as Talladega Nights being one of the first dual layer Blu-Ray movies. Something for those of you who are going to make some use out of the console's movie playback capabilities.

Edit: Don't get excited by the news that'll follow this, but supposedly Wipeout for the PS3 is/will be running at 1080p @ 60fps according to one cat. IMO, I wouldn't trust this, but he claims they have a machine in the office he works at. Whoops. This is the same guy that first leaked PS3 shots with his cellphone shown here. The other info:

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today i came up with the idea to connect my ipod shuffle to the ps3. unfortunate it doesnt work. well not with the beta software we are having here on it.

and didnt i said all along the ps3 was quit

and those overheating problems. give me a break. we have the unit now for like 3 weeks. no overheating problems at all. it hasnt stopped even once! longest time we had it on was ike 36 hours. no video skipping at all. ofcours we dont have games here. but you get the point. besides who plays 36 hours straight

oh 1 more tiny thing.

Wipe Out next generation 1080P / 60 frames a second.
Edit #2: 1Up.com hands on with PS3 (pics after the impressions):

1Up impressions.

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One of the many problems with covering a new piece of hardware within the confines of a show like E3 or TGS is that you don't really get a feel for what it would be like if that system was sitting in your entertainment center at home. Fortunately, I and other members of OPM recently got some sweet, delicious donuts alone time with the PlayStation 3 far from the crowds and the noisy convention halls, and I've come away thinking only one thing--I want a PS3 really, really bad. November 17th can't come soon enough.

Just a few nuts and bolts--the system is quite large, easily matching (if not surpassing) the girth of the 360 and the original XBox, but oh man, is it quiet. The cooling fan emits a pretty subtle noise and the disc access noise is equally subdued. Before you say, "who f'n cares how loud it is,"my 360 is a tad on the loud side, to the point that it sounds like a wheelchair with rusty breaks, storming out of control down a ramp. It's nice to know that I won't have to crank up my speakers to drown it out. Also, as was pointed out by some colleagues across the pond, it does indeed "eat" the discs quickly.

As for the overheating issue, I'd say that the problems reported at TGS were because of the conditions within the convention center (it gets pretty damn warm in some areas) and our recent experience with the system seems to go along with that. The PS3 does get a little toasty under its belly, but not so much that it will instantly vaporize your cat, dog, or some other animal if it were to venture a little too close. But I will say that it's probably not a good idea to set this thing on a carpet.

There's so much more to say, but that's about it for now. You'll have to check out our December issue or listen to upcoming episodes of RadiOPM where we'll discuss some of the other details.

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In a rather surprising, last-minute announcement, leading the BD-50 charge will be 'Click,' which streets next Tuesday, October 10. Though originally expected to be a BD-25, single-layer disc only, the release will in fact be dual-layer and come packed with all the same bonus features as its standard DVD.

Sony will follow that up with 'Talladega Nights,' which was announced last week for a December 12 release, as well as what the studio will be calling its "flagship" BD-50 title, 'Black Hawk Down,' due November 14.

Both 'Talladega Nights' and 'Black Hawk Down' will feature a wealth of bonus content shot exclusively in high-definition. 'Black Hawk Down' will also be the first Sony title to feature the Blu-ray format's proprietary "Blu-Wizard" authoring environment, which promises to deliver extensive interactive content new to the format.

Cobalt Katze Oct 5, 2006 07:38 PM

Those product photos are very sexy... I like how the L2/R2 buttons turned out. Definately fits the "accelleration pedal" metaphore given earlier.

And thermal on the PS button? Sweet. I gotta say, for being almost exactly the same design as it's been 10 years ago... the controller still looks pretty nice.

Slayer X Oct 5, 2006 08:01 PM

It's definatly great to see a company finally making the right moves, consistantly. Sure things like price and marketing can be questioned from time to time, but in sheer design and praticality Sony does a pretty good job. The Blu-Ray, while gimmicky at first is actually flushing out to be a good move, the heat dispersition rods that allow for superior cooling looks to have payed off to with 36hrs and no overheating. Yup, I think I and the general puplic will be quite pleased with this next gen system once they can get around the "not so outrageous" price.

*This post has not been spell checked*

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Why do they get two systems? Can I have one? PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE??? I've got money..... and chocolat milk.

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It's funny for me because I've been listening for the past year to the IGN podcasts, and they're always bitching about this and that about the PS3 and Sony. For me to read this glowing report on the system makes me feel even more excited because I never felt against the system like they did, and if they're minds have been changed so fast (at least a few of them probably) then man... it's got to be good.

avanent Oct 5, 2006 11:29 PM

Lot of technical jargon going round I really don't understand... nor have time to look into. However, I do understand pictures :)

Liking all those production shots so far... except...

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Oh and the on/off button isn't even a button... it's a thermosensor.

Is that really needed? Seems kind of like a waste of technology, as well as a sort of 'cool' worthless ploy feature. And whats wrong with buttons >.>
I like buttons... I know they work good.

This is the sort of thing that bothers me... >.>

Everything else is looking pretty nice so far.

Loudness never seemed to bother me, but I guess if a system is too loud, it could ruin the feel in a more quiet subdued atmosphere.

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In a rather surprising, last-minute announcement, leading the BD-50 charge will be 'Click,' which streets next Tuesday, October 10. Though originally expected to be a BD-25, single-layer disc only, the release will in fact be dual-layer and come packed with all the same bonus features as its standard DVD.

Sony will follow that up with 'Talladega Nights,' which was announced last week for a December 12 release, as well as what the studio will be calling its "flagship" BD-50 title, 'Black Hawk Down,' due November 14.

Both 'Talladega Nights' and 'Black Hawk Down' will feature a wealth of bonus content shot exclusively in high-definition. 'Black Hawk Down' will also be the first Sony title to feature the Blu-ray format's proprietary "Blu-Wizard" authoring environment, which promises to deliver extensive interactive content new to the format.
Would it not be smarter to release a blu-ray movie with the system that is actually shot in High-Def; as most people dont bother with extras.

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It's funny for me because I've been listening for the past year to the IGN podcasts, and they're always bitching about this and that about the PS3 and Sony. For me to read this glowing report on the system makes me feel even more excited because I never felt against the system like they did, and if they're minds have been changed so fast (at least a few of them probably) then man... it's got to be good.

Interesting. Was it the same exact people? Or just both from IGN?

Metal Sphere Oct 6, 2006 12:48 AM

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Is that really needed? Seems kind of like a waste of technology, as well as a sort of 'cool' worthless ploy feature. And whats wrong with buttons >.>
I like buttons... I know they work good.

This is the sort of thing that bothers me... >.>

Well, wording it like that we could say we don't need:
  • Vibration
  • Progressive Scan
  • HD Resolutions
  • Analog Sticks
  • Shoulder Buttons
  • Wireless controllers

And so on and so forth. Complacency really hasn't done much for the industry, since it was expressed back when the above points were first introduced.

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Loudness never seemed to bother me, but I guess if a system is too loud, it could ruin the feel in a more quiet subdued atmosphere.
It plays movies, it has to be quiet or else it'll be a chore watching them.


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Would it not be smarter to release a blu-ray movie with the system that is actually shot in High-Def; as most people dont bother with extras.
Movies are often shot at resolutions far above that of standard HD resolutions. These are no exceptions. There's no reason to complain about a pack-in. Don't like it? Throw it away or boil it in molten plastic.

Here's some online tidbits from RadiOPM:

Podcast of the show.

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--They are using Gamespy in some capacity that I can't really understand
--The system logs you in upon boot-up of the machine automatically (he thinks that can be changed)
--Stats will be tied to your user profile, he isn't sure of the "final name" of this on the PS3 system
--Stats and stat tracking is all done through "the Playstation Network"
--When you log in, and you are an active online member, you get to view a browser to pick your games and stuff
--Stats get uploaded to gamespy (?) so you can view leaderboards
--Can access stats from game website
--No achievements in Full Auto 2 because moving target forced (online platform not finalized?) focus on online network play
--FULL AUTO 2 1080p!


avanent Oct 6, 2006 01:13 AM

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Well, wording it like that we could say we don't need:
  • Vibration
  • Progressive Scan
  • HD Resolutions
  • Analog Sticks
  • Shoulder Buttons
  • Wireless controllers

Not really... a thermosensor doesn't improve play in anyway. Even thoguh I don't care for the move to wirless controllers, at least it improves play as the wire can no longer be tripped over or be pulled at (affect the system, getting unplugged/yanking the system around). Likewise, while I don't think the mass public is ready for HD, it is an improvement upon the visuals which is beneficial overall.

Honestly, I dont know what progressive scan does... so... maybe its an accurate comparison.

A thermosensor majigger is just an expensive replacement for a button... it doesn't improve upon anything, and isn't likely cheaper than a standard button.
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It plays movies, it has to be quiet or else it'll be a chore watching them.

Didn't think about that... then again the 360 is supose to be a movie player too :ashamed:


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Movies are often shot at resolutions far above that of standard HD resolutions. These are no exceptions. There's no reason to complain about a pack-in. Don't like it? Throw it away or boil it in molten plastic.

Well, as far as marketing strategies go... if your going to try and push a new format... wouldn't you want to do something which might actually be a noticable improvement over the current standard... especially if your asking 2-3x as much per disc.

Soldier Oct 6, 2006 01:21 AM

So basically, Ricky Bobby and Black Hawk Down are the first two "real" Blu Ray movies. In that case, it's obvious why they chose the former and not the latter. I hope they'll at least have hi def trailers for future BR movies.

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Oh and the on/off button isn't even a button... it's a thermosensor.
Okay...so what does that mean?

Metal Sphere Oct 6, 2006 01:31 AM

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So basically, Ricky Bobby and Black Hawk Down are the first two "real" Blu Ray movies. In that case, it's obvious why they chose the former and not the latter. I hope they'll at least have hi def trailers for future BR movies.



Okay...so what does that mean?

Both movies are full featured, not barebones, especially given the discs they're on. There will be a few on there.

Thermo

Sensor

With the two definitions side by side it should be obvious, by now, what it is. Instead of pressing something, you touch the sensor with your finger and your body heat turns it on.

Slayer X Oct 6, 2006 07:04 AM

It can be argued whether the thermo-sensor is needed or not. However every analog component in a device is more likely to break then a digital one. In other words at the store that I work at we get at least one 360 a week that the owner has broken the power button on it due to tripping over it, hitting it with something that they shouldn't have or some other randomly stupid event.

I like the comparison that a guy at PSM gave in last month's issue.

"Sure the PS3 is expensive, sure there's cheaper solutions. However if you think about the car industry the PS3 would be like a porsche of the gaming market. Yes it's expensive, and yes it can do a LOT of cool stuff. Do you think that other people drive cheapper cars because they think that they're better then a Porsche? No, it's because that's all that they can afford. However if you can afford a PS3, it may cost a lot, but you're going to get more value for your money then you would with the lesser expensive solutions."

I couldn't have described it better myself.

Metal Sphere Oct 6, 2006 08:18 AM

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Not really... a thermosensor doesn't improve play in anyway.

Neither do the first three on that list.

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Even thoguh I don't care for the move to wirless controllers, at least it improves play as the wire can no longer be tripped over or be pulled at (affect the system, getting unplugged/yanking the system around).
Sounds like someone's stretching to me, since that doesn't "enhance" gameplay in the least

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Gameplay includes all player experiences during the interaction with game systems, especially formal games. Proper use is coupled with reference to "what the player does"
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Likewise, while I don't think the mass public is ready for HD, it is an improvement upon the visuals which is beneficial overall.
And that's the category in which features like wireless controllers, harddrives, internet access, pressue-sensitive buttons fall into. While not necessary in the least, they've become welcome additions to the gaming experience (ie: sitting down and using your console).

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Honestly, I dont know what progressive scan does... so... maybe its an accurate comparison.
Back when it first showed up, people made the same argument about it as you're doing with this switch. Needless to say, no one is lamenting it's existance.

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A thermosensor majigger is just an expensive replacement for a button... it doesn't improve upon anything, and isn't likely cheaper than a standard button.
Can you share with us the knowledge you're privy to that makes you certain this is more expensive than a button?

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Didn't think about that... then again the 360 is supose to be a movie player too :ashamed:
And so is the PS2 and PSTwo, both of which are quieter than the 360. One company is simply focused on making the hardware as quiet as possible for frequent movie playback.

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Well, as far as marketing strategies go... if your going to try and push a new format... wouldn't you want to do something which might actually be a noticable improvement over the current standard... especially if your asking 2-3x as much per disc.
You're uninformed, and it shows. There's plenty of resources online to use to get yourself up to speed on the formats. And since you brought up marketing, that's the reason why Talladega was picked, if you look at the box office turnout for the movie and the demographic that watched it.

You can argue with someone else, since I've seen the way these things go and they're of no benefit to the thread.

Chairman Kaga Oct 6, 2006 08:27 AM

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Oh and the on/off button isn't even a button... it's a thermosensor.

That explains why it costs at least $500.

Metal Sphere Oct 6, 2006 08:44 AM

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That explains why it costs at least $500.

Cell + RSX, that's why.

Slayer X Oct 6, 2006 08:49 AM

God damn it people. Thermosensors are not that expensive. Products like the i-pod and many other things use these instead of a buttons all the time. There's nothing to argue. They cost $3 and are of no signifigance to anything other then the fact the PS3 has one. There's no reason to argue over this trivial point. If you want to argue over something then argue why the 360's HD-DVD player costs $250 CAD for a system that you already paid $500 for.

Infernal Monkey Oct 6, 2006 09:03 AM

An even better option would be to keep the thread on track about PS3 and its games and not argue over totally pointless stuff such as a thermosensor or how much Xbox 360 stuff costs!

Slayer X Oct 6, 2006 09:13 AM

My point was just simply that people are arguing over how a thermosensor may cost $2 more then a button, when there's bigger things to complain about that actually matter. Or at least to a higher extent.

But yes, let's try to keep the argument to a minimum from now on.... keyword "try".

MetalSphere: This is wat happens when you make ground breaking posts, lol. Keep up the good work ^^

Chairman Kaga: You wern't the only one that I was targeting with that post. It was directed to other, more serious people who were focusing on a matter that... well just didn't matter.

As for the overheating, what system doesn't overheat under improper conditions? (like TGS) At least the PS3 doesn't sound like it's going to have as many problems as the 360 or PSTwo. On the other hand, we're basing our opinions on other people's biased opinions, which is not good for data accuracy. So let's keep the speculation to a minimum too. ^^;

Chairman Kaga Oct 6, 2006 09:13 AM

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God damn it people. Thermosensors are not that expensive.
God damn it people - who don't have a sense of humour, and think every post is serious business.

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Cell + RSX, that's why.
You forgot bluray.


Regarding the overheating issue at TGS. A friend went the game show, but didn't say anything about it. But that's not to say it's not true.

Metal Sphere Oct 6, 2006 09:26 AM

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God damn it people - who don't have a sense of humour, and think every post is serious business.


You forgot bluray.

No, for the simple fact that it's only different from a regular drive in that it has an ultraviolet laser array. But this is OT, if you really want to know, PM me.

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Regarding the overheating issue at TGS. A friend went the game show, but didn't say anything about it. But that's not to say it's not true.
There are already quite a few people who went to the show that can attest to how hot it was and the security concerns overriding ventilation for the booths. Throw in unstable game code and you have crashes.


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